Talk:Arabasta Kingdom

This article really has potential. It leaves alot to be desired. But hey, it's a long article, with small summaries of information written to start on. If anyone wants to add the the Architecture or Landmarks section, or write a good summary of the Arabasta Arc on this page, I'm all for it. I will be adding pictures soon, but if anyone wants to add soem temporary ones thats no problem. I worked really hard on this page. Cody2526 02:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Name
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Oda himself spell the name "Alabasta"? Specifically, on the Eternal pose leading to it?
 * Yes, he did. However, every other time it was written he wrote it "Arabasta", including on all maps of the country, the 6th Log Book, and probably other places I'm forgetting at the exact moment. ^^;; --Murasaki 04:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes its one of those Oda confusion starters we get every so often. So long as you redirect one to the other there shouldn't be a problem at all! One-Winged Hawk 22:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

As both are correct terms, we must go by what is used most:

Alabasta "One Piece" -wikipedia: 101,000 Arabasta "One Piece" -wikipedia: 43,200

Alabasta is the most used, correct term, ergo, what should be used.

Oh, by the way I myself have only seen it as "ALABASTA" in the manga, can anyone point out where it says "Arabasta" (or some other capitalisation)?

I will move this page in roughly 24 hours, unless anyone wants to refute this.(Justyn 22:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC))


 * I do. It belongs at Arabasta, for the following reasons. Both have been used in the Manga, and are technically correct. Oda might not have been the one who always romanized it, and as we all should know, big msitakes happen when someone else romanizes it. There was a page in Shonene Jump, probably romanized by a Shonen Jump employee, not on Oda's staff. This caused a couple major mistakes like Jabra for Ja{ya}bura and I think Lucci was Rucchi. Also consider that 4Kids used Alabasta, so dub fans would use that, any just about any One Piece fansite mentions "they changes Arabasta to Alabasta in the dub" would make that show up. the most romanized version I've seen is Arabasta, and KF used it as well. We arn't wikipedia, just because google gets more hits doesn't mean it's more popular, and even if it was a little more popular, we don't absolutely need to go by that. I'm basing my facts, obviosuly on that so far I've only ever seen ALABASTA in artwork, the eternal pose with it, if I remember correctly, ha dthe R and the L switch a could times. SO while both are correct translations that took their time, and wern't rushes, mostly use Arabasta, while some rushes just say Arabasta or Alabasta. Also KF used it, and they know what they are doing. Also by default most translators use R since the Japanese r/l hybrid sound is a little more like R. Simply put:This page belongs at Arabasta. Cody2526 22:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Basicly you are going on that fans of Kaizoku-Fansubs say that 4Kids "changed" it to Alabasta, dispite the fact that "ALABASTA" is what is used in the manga.Just being used by 4Kids does not make it automaticly wrong.

And, when you have the search show you none of the results that have the other term:

"One Piece" Arabasta -Alabasta: 18,400 hits "One Piece" Alabasta -Arabasta: 30,000 hits (Justyn 06:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC))


 * I have also seen Arabasta in the Manga. Both in the images and romanization of the scan groups themeselves, which assuming we are ignoring the scan groups(I realize many names are spelled completely wrong when first done, like Galley-La was Garrera) means both are equally correct. Therefore, We need to consider what our translation groups are using, as well as google searching. I don't trust google for perfectly accurate results, I'm sure there's a large number of pages, especially on forums where someone has mentioned Alabasta because they call it that/interchange between both. By default the next choice wold be what do most translators use? Arabasta. I'm not seeing enough proof for Alabasta, while I see just as valid proof for Arabasta, since the translators use Arabasta,then putitng aside my own opinion( like Arabasta, it has that ring to it) and that by default people consider the L/R hybrid sound as R in Japanese, I'm siding with Arabasta. Besides, people put too much trust in google. It's great at identifying internet pages but really, people rely on it too much.
 * The second set of results competely omited the other term; that means that it only showed the term that we where looking for and not the other term at all. And can you show what page of the manga it shows "ARABASTA"?

Non-Google engines:

Ask.com "One Piece" Arabasta -Alabasta: 762 "One Piece" Alabasta -Arabasta: 1,630

Yahoo "One Piece" Arabasta -Alabasta: 3,600 "One Piece" Alabasta -Arabasta: 16,800

It's not just Google. (Justyn 07:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC))


 * It's not just Google indeed. But remind me again when we started using search engines to gauge "popularity" then go by that. THe fact that the results will be "tainted" by forums and certain websites is especially true with ask.com, yahoo makes it much more unlikely. Thus we end up back at google. But still, justr when did we start following WIkipedia's rules for this, and since when has Arabasta been under fire like this? Last I checked most fans preferred Arabasta, and most people use Arabasta. Also all search engines have been known to generate double postings of websites as well pages under the same domain that include your search terms in both. Alabasta wins if we're simply using the basic search engine function without considering anytihng else, sure. I'm just curious though, since when is Arabasta na iffy name? whats next, the Marines page coming under question? Cody2526 09:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well my view is that since the Japanese version used both spellings, neither is incorrect and that either will do... So long as we have a redirect between one or the other. We also need to note the different versions of the same name.


 * The one I've come to know is Alabasta, though my choice is simply because 'Ala' is easier for me to remember over 'Ara'. One-Winged Hawk 10:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * THanks for reminding me. Ar/labasta is a desert, correct? Well the whole culture seems to be taken from the arabs and the egyptians(altohugh egypt less so) therefore the beginning of Arabasta may be a reference to arabs, which would be lost if translated as Alabasta, just another peice of evidence for Arabasta. I personally have a harder time remember Alabasta, but I could remembe rif I really tried, since I prefer Arabasta anyways I don't bother. Cody2526 03:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow... I'm not even starting on how flawed that is.

If it has actualy shown "ARABASTA" in the manga: prove it. Otherwise, it's going against the canon set by Oda. (Justyn 08:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC))


 * It was worth a shot. I'm not, however looking thorugh about 100 chapters of manga searching for ARABASTA in the art. If you will be fair about this maybe you should do it, that is unless your not suddenly going all Dubby on me. Cody2526 08:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)