File talk:Caesar Gas manga.jpg

Deletion
I think it shouldn't be deleted, it's the only picture we have showing the colours of Caesar Clown's gas form. It's obstructed, so what? It's not the only one obstructed or with low resolution we have. When we will have a more nice picture we will update it.


 * By the way, it was deleted the first time simply because who uploaded it, didn't add any description or category, not because it was obstructed.

Well, I think we should delete the image, because it's really obstructed, and people aren't really sure what to look at, Monet, some bright orange thingy which is Caesar, and the purpler background. So yeah, it's confusing. 14:18, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I see your point off course, but do you seriously think that people "aren't really sure what to look at" when the image is placed in the Caesar/Gasu Gasu no Mi page with a description like "Caesar's gas form"? If that's the reason you think it should be deleted for, then I don't agree. Let's see what other people think, if I'm the only one thinking we should keep it, then ok.

It's an obstructed view, it may be the only colour image we have but when the majority is covered by an entirely separate character then it just doesn't suit. 14:34, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I kinda like it. 14:35, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

So should we delete all the Easter egg images because are a bit hidden or obstructed? Remember that we aren't talking about an infobox image.

There's a difference between Easter Eggs (which by nature are meant to be hidden) and a main character. 14:51, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

What Kuro said. 14:54, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Caesar is a main character? SeaTerror (talk) 14:55, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

A main character of Punk Hazard Arc. 15:00, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

@Kuro: What you have just said is contradictory: My point is that it's the first time I heard the reason "it's obstructed, hence delete it" for a deletion. Come on it's not a big deal.
 * "Easter Eggs which by nature are meant to be hidden" → they are the only images available → we keep them
 * This is the only image available → it's obstructed → we deleted it.

There was nothing contradictory in what I said. Easter Egg images are hidden, therefore by nature are going to be obstructed. However this is a main antagonist (for ST) in which higher standards should be applied due to him being on the forefront of the series, rather then just merely a background character. Images are used for illustration, not decoration. Putting up a subpar image (due to being mainly obstructed by another character) just for the sake of showing mere colour, is (in my opinion) not the proper way to go about things.

It would be better to show an unobstructed image of his gas form, rather then a mostly obstructed image for the sake of showing people his colour. As a general rule people have an imagination, they can fill in the blanks when we say, "He's orange". 15:11, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

It's contradictory because the reason why you think we should keep the Easter egg (but I'm sure there are others like that) is "because there aren't better version available", which is the same reason this file was uploaded for instead of a better version. Sorry, but I don't understand the logic "is an important character, so it need higher standards": first I believe every article should be improved as much we can, but most of all I believe that since it's an important character indeed, we should add interesting information like the Oda's intended colour (I think the manga version is a much interesting information). "As a general rule people have an imagination, they can fill in the blanks when we say, "He's orange"" → well this defy the reason why some people are uploading gifs of every kind of techniques as well pictures of every random clothes the Straw Hats wore since they were born, don't you think?

Levi, you're a member of the VSTF now so doing something as petty as bringing up unrelated issues (let alone solved issues) to this current discussion is not a behaviour someone of your promoted status should be seen conducting himself in.

If you fail to understand (or refuse to admit) the difference between an Easter Egg character and a main antagonist, then that's fine. That is your opinion. But right now there are two opinions saying otherwise. 15:35, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I'm totally lost now... what my status has anything to do with this discussion? Did I ever use my VSTF rights to force my opinion on you? I'm using the talk page like any user would, since I'm still an user here... (I don't know what do you know of VSTF, but I wasn't "promoted" and hence left this wiki, I simply joined an anti-spam group of volunteers, I'm still a user in this community). And what are the unrelated issues? I get the feeling you are treating me like I'm challenging wiki guideline, while simply we are arguing on the fact that you and other people think this image should be deleted while I think it shouldn't. The fact this image should be deleted is also your opinion, not a guideline of any sort, that's why we are discussing here. I do not fail to understand the difference between a Easter egg character and an important one, I simply fail to understand why this is anything to do with the discussion. I mean, if an information is worth adding/showing, it is worth for every article, and the manga appearance/colorscheme is something we always mention especially if it's different from other media (or in this case if the other media version are not available yet).


 * "But right now there are two opinions saying otherwise." - I believe Sanji The Cook said he likes this image.

*sigh* An overreaction I see. Then let us skip reasonable discussion (as you're failing to provide one) and move to facts. Of this talk page, myself and Jademing have opposed the image. You and STC are it's defender. It's a stalemate then. Let the admin who passes over it in the deletion category decide whether it goes or stays. 16:03, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I rather prefer to wait to hear the other users' opinions... we are on a wiki, the communty decide, we shouldn't rely every time on the admins. I do not understand why you are so upset, I brought up a discussion like any user would (should do) and give my opinion supported by reasonable argumentations, I believe. Anyway I opened the discussion to see if I were the only one thinking like that or to try convince you, I think it's a pretty normal...

If you want more opinions, I'm against this image. There's not enough focus on Caesar, and it's sufficient to say that's he's coloured red/orange without having the picture. 16:27, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Keep the image. SeaTerror (talk) 16:30, September 2, 2012 (UTC)