Category talk:Straw Hat Pirates' Ships

Category Deletion
Most of the ships on the list do not belong to the Straw Hats. There are only two ships that would be in the category which means it falls under being less than at least 5 in a category rule. SeaTerror (talk) 05:51, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

Karasumaru does not belong to the Straw Hats. Shimashima Shopping is debatable. Everything else is definitely owned by them.

That being said, I consider this to be a rather pointless category. A category containing the Straw Hats' two real ships and some makeshift rafts used in the Davy Back Fight (most of which are non-canon) is useless. Delete it. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 07:28, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

Non-canon or not no other group/individual has ever used them outside the Donut Race besides the Straw Hats. So until pages by byte count are better off as sections than on there own the count is more than two. Rgilbert27 (talk) 10:21, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

There's only two in the category since only the Thousand Sunny and Going Merry are owned by them. None of the others were. SeaTerror (talk) 08:14, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, we don't need to list those temporary ships. We only need to list them in the Davy Back Fight context. The Shimashima Shopping is a maybe since Zeff did gift it to Sanji and Luffy. KingCannon (talk) 23:01, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

They were also made by them listed among the following plus you haven't checked what's also in the navibox. Rgilbert27 (talk) 23:38, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

The navibox is wrong too. SeaTerror (talk) 06:30, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

So everything is wrong except what you think? Each one of them is a sea vessel used by the Straw Hats, the DBF rafts were also build by them, the Sexy Foxy was taken by their new members shortly before being discarded, and Karasumaru and Shimashima Shopping were given to them by their allies Conis and Zeff, and was seen used by them exclusively. What criterias does not make them the Straw Hats'? Rhavkin (talk) 16:21, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Not to mention, even though it wasn't added before, the Mini Merry II is another of their ships. Rgilbert27 (talk) 16:34, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

The Shimashima Shopping was at least used for island sailing purposes and was stated to be Sanji's to begin with (it wasn't a gift like I initially thought. A Baratie cook confirms the ship is his). It's why I'm willing to count it as a Straw Hat vessel, but I would not be against its exclusion either. The Karasumaru, meanwhile, was lent by Conis. It's not a Straw Hat ship.

The Davy Back Ships are somewhat different since they're non-canon and exclusive to the Davy Back competition. They were only created because of the competition's rules. KingCannon (talk) 17:37, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Also, the Rocket Man should definitely not be under vehicles. It's not theirs. Why is that in the navbox? KingCannon (talk) 17:41, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Taru Tiger is canon, but since when does canon matter to categorization if there isn't a separate category for non canon? The Karasumaru is as much Conis' as the Going Merry is Merry's since both gave the boat to the crew and while Merry gave it to them as thanks for saving Kaya, Conis believed they wouldn't come back, so she practically gave it to them to be ruined. She even said she doesn't use it.Rhavkin (talk) 18:02, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Where is the reference Shimashima was his? Karasumaru is still under developed how do we know it was wrecked? Rgilbert27 (talk) 18:16, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

They never owned the Sexy Foxy. Temporarily using something doesn't mean you automatically own something. SeaTerror (talk) 22:31, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

In the anime, the former Foxy Pirates took it in the name of their new crew, the Straw Hats. The Foxy trio left on a boat, so the only crew remained was the Straw Hats, who again, claimed the ship. The duration of time does not affects ownership. Rhavkin (talk) 06:11, June 12, 2020 (UTC)

So never actually used by them then. Especially since that's filler. SeaTerror (talk) 10:17, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

If there isn't a separate category, filler and canon are both acceptable. Rhavkin (talk) 13:02, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

The "separate" category is no category since that's the correct version. SeaTerror (talk) 18:23, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Members of the crew took it and planed to use it while being part of the crew. Canon isn't an issue. Rhavkin (talk) 18:27, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

You just said the Straw Hats didn't use it. SeaTerror (talk) 18:55, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

The official members didn't, but it was taken by members of the crew. It was the Straw Hats for enough time for Foxy's small boat to disappear from view before the members were discarded and chased after them. And since the amount of time isn't specified, it can be calculated to at least a couple of minutes, which could be even longer then the Donut Race for all we know. Rhavkin (talk) 19:07, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Nothing was taken by the Straw Hats because Luffy immediately rejected it. SeaTerror (talk) 05:52, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

This discussion have long since change course from "needed" to "what counts as". We can all agree that at least the Merry,Sunny, and three DBF rafts are their's, and the rule say five is enough for a category to be made, since as I mentioned before, unless there is a separate category for non canon, everything counts. ST, Please stop deleting the category from the pages. As for the few remaining debatable ships and boats, those should be discussed case by case either here or on their talk page, and based on that discussion either be added here or removed from the navibox. Rhavkin (talk) 03:50, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

The rafts are not theirs. By your logic somebody using a computer at work means they own it even though they are only temporarily using it. SeaTerror (talk) 07:20, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

They build them. Rhavkin (talk) 07:23, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

No they were were given a raft to use during the events. They were never building anything. SeaTerror (talk) 06:35, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

What series were you reading/watching!? Rgilbert27 (talk) 08:32, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

The one you haven't read. SeaTerror (talk) 21:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

They weren't given, they were made. Read it again. Rgilbert27 (talk) 22:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Chapter 306 page 18 Episode 209. Rhavkin (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

They were given materials, not ships. Check the last two pages. Rgilbert27 (talk) 23:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Anime isn't canon. SeaTerror (talk) 05:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

But manga is ergo made not given. Rgilbert27 (talk) 07:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

They were anime only ships. SeaTerror (talk) 20:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

And since there isn't enough for a separate sub-category, those should be included in the general category, meaning this one. 20:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Thousand Sunny and Going Merry isn't enough to have a category on their own. SeaTerror (talk) 22:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * 1) Going Merry
 * 2) Shimashima Shopping
 * 3) Taru Tiger
 * 4) Ma Ikkada
 * 5) Tarumanma
 * 6) Sexy Foxy
 * 7) Thousand Sunny

Rhavkin (talk) 22:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Only Going Merry and Thousand Sunny are valid from that list. SeaTerror (talk) 16:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

In your opinion. Facts that disprove your point have been presented, and you refuse to acknowledge them is on you. Rhavkin (talk) 17:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

You're "alternate facts" are not actual facts. Your arguments that they were valid to add were flat out wrong. SeaTerror (talk) 05:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Which one? The one with the source that show the Straw Hats made to Davi Back rafts, or the one about canon and not canon are counted together unless there is a separate category? Rhavkin (talk) 06:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Well since there's only two canon ones and all the non canon ones are invalid having two articles in a category break the rules. The most ridiculous one is adding the Sexy Foxy. SeaTerror (talk) 05:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

First of all, three counting at least Usopp, Nami, and Robin's raft. Second, if there is no separate category for non canon every thing is included. Why can't you get that? Third, the Sexy Foxy was taken by those who at that time were members of the crew. Why do you keep addressing points that have been resolved. This discussion has gone back and forth for months and you are the only one still opposing. Add something new or the discussion is over and the category stays as is.Rhavkin (talk) 06:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

No only you and RG supported everything staying in the category. Your points were never resolved especially since you ignored where I said that Luffy rejected the Sexy Foxy along the rest of the Foxy Pirates right away. SeaTerror (talk) 19:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

You are the only one speaking against this. Kaido and Cannon's arguments have been addressed, and neither said anything against counting the non canon incluosion. You are the only one who can't accept this category as is. Rhavkin (talk) 19:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Neither of which actually supported the inclusion of everything. You are also still ignoring that the Sexy Foxy doesn't belong at all. SeaTerror (talk) 07:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Not supporting is very different from being against. This is a massive community, do you really think that any one other then the five participants who hadn't voice their support is automatically against? Kaido and Cannon were against counting the rafts, regardless of cannon. You clearly didn't followed up on the references me and Rg provided. Go see the episode again. It was taken by members of the crew. It and the crewmen were discarded shortly afterward, yes, but it was still taken by them. Rhavkin (talk) 08:16, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

You don't own something you give away right away. That is how life works. SeaTerror (talk) 00:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

The amount of time you own something is irrelevant. Just tell me this: Did you or did you not rewatched the episode anytime during this discussion? Rhavkin (talk) 06:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

No it is not irreverent. That is how it works. Luffy said he didn't want it and rejected it. Which actually means he never owned it in the first place. SeaTerror (talk) 22:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Luffy said that about the men, not the shop. Anyway,, again, the ship was taken by members of the crew at that that time.Lffy never said he wanted the Clima-Tact, does that mean it doesn't belong to the Straw Hats? No. Please stop bring up irrelevant connections.

As for the amount of time and why it is irrelevant, the entire first half is a few months long. Basing anything on a duration of time is impossible, let alone in a non canon story. Rhavkin (talk) 05:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

No he said it about everything. Also the ship was never taken by any crew member. SeaTerror (talk) 06:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Changing Category
The Straw Hats now own many more vessels/vehicles than just ships, a bike like thingy, a tank, a waver, the mini merry for example. I say we delete this category and make a new one which includes all vessels/vehicles owned by them. ( Dot  Talk  ) 06:04, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

Btw by which I mean moving all of them into one instead of these subcategories. Cuz having subdivisions in such a small category is pointless. Also I kinda agree with ST on the topic before this and feel like there's very few of these that count either way. ( Dot  Talk  ) 06:05, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. It would be a vehicle category then. Which would cover Franky's creations including the dock system. SeaTerror (talk) 07:20, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

This is the subcategory of said category. Rgilbert27 (talk) 08:32, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

Don't need a subcategory if the subcategory doesn't have enough content. SeaTerror (talk) 21:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

There is enough content as long their in the navibox. Rgilbert27 (talk) 22:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

No there are only two ships that would apply to this category. The rule is there must be at least 5. SeaTerror (talk) 22:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Only you keep saying there's just two yet don't change the navibox. Rgilbert27 (talk) 23:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't even know what you are talking about. The navibox only mentions the two actual ships they had/have. SeaTerror (talk) 05:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

If you're gonna insist on them not being ships of theirs then have the navibox reflect that. Rgilbert27 (talk) 07:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Again, it already does. SeaTerror (talk) 20:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)