Forum:Toggling Images "not allowed" ; Revoke or keep?

Okay, we have a topic thats I've had to put on hold, I'm not a member of staff but I do have to write up the image guidelines when no one is around and purge useless images from the wikia from time to time.

the problem
Many moons ago we had a huge discussion/argument over toggling images and while toggling is is allowed, during the discussion MF (I apologse for writing "MF", I can't spell the username but theyone of our admins who left) noticed the sole purposes of toggling was for decoration. There were many angry words, and last I heard the person behind the toggling had left. MF ruled that in the best interests of the wikia, toggling SHOULD NOT be allowed for images. It also went against out Image Guidelines, which state images are not to be used for decorational purposes.

The other thing was it was during this discussion that the blunder stating manga and anime images do not have a perference. This was my error when I wrote the guidelines, as it was suppose to be written mangas images are suppose to be held only until a anime version appeared. But we had a short time later a note from someone that sometimes a anime image is not as good as the manga image. Thus the correction on the guidelines was never persuded bcause it left the wkia editors to decide for themselves what image was best use and gave us a chance to figure out what image was the best for demostrational purposes.

Another flaw with toggling was though was it was rendered voided by the fact we have an "appearance" section on each page where possible.

If the ruling by MF on toggling is to go ahead so any form of toggling images can happen, the wikia staff must all or majority of them back a revoke of the rules. If we don't sort this out we get a problem, as I've just noted in the current topic where the toggling was once again in the open until the revoke goes ajhead you can't ACTUALLY use the toggling feature for images even if the editors vote it in because its not been cleared.

This is pretty much just red tape, sorry guys, I just like things to be done correctly. That means we have to get this matter sorted. I will stress that the current most major problem is and always will be the matter of "Appearances" sections being on pages. The infobox is just suppose to be a quick reference and until now the reason for there being 1 image was just to help users identify they have the correct character. That means the best image had to be there. I will also note its suppose to update anyway whenever a character does a appearance change, so by now all Straw Hats should have their current look up there.

I also note on that thought; We don't have the stages of anyone else's life up there. I don't go to "Shanks" infobox and see a version of Shanks as a boy, an adult and current or whatever. I also note with no perference over anime or manga, the editors are free to use what they want. While that has caused *some* conflicts of interest we've always just discussed the situation and sorted it. I don't know, perhaps we should discuss that sometime? I know we've just had a discussion on RAWs and Scanalations, but not "Anime over manga". I'll leave that for someone else to create a topic on.

This isn't really 100% related to revoking this rule though, so can we fix on this for the time being?One-Winged Hawk 16:36, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
Revoking the toggling over ruling;

I will note I'm against toggling, but I see it as pretty pointless, but I won't go against the majority of the editors. For a while now I've been mad at the problems it created previously. I'm not anymore, I once threatened to leave if it went ahead, but I'm not a major editor so its just pointless. I'll be happy so long as the editors vote on it correctly, as I said, I just interest myself these days on images, I never became a staff member because that never interested me, otherwise I'd been an admin right from the start in... 2006? I forget when we started.

Can everyone just be aware, that there are implications in toggling and problems it creates. The most major problem pointed out by me was most editors only look at one image and the most major problem with toggling is it opens more conflicts of interest up; that means arguments over the best image to be used. That mans, as annoying as it is, we've got to adapt Image guidelines even more to explain which anime, manga, timeskip, etc image gets peference over another. More boring rules and guidelines, when we already seem to struggle to obey them as they stand. -_-'

I don't know... I just want teveryone to be aware this toggling feature can create a lot more problems, as that we will see a sudden increase in images. I also have to mention, amongst the other problems we face, discussion on "Appearance" section would have to take place, in order to discuss just WHAT now has to go in there if the infobox isn't just being used to house the most updated version or whatever it is the editors seem to think its for when its just a quick reference. One-Winged Hawk 16:36, August 8, 2011 (UTC)