Talk:Okama

Gender
Gender =/= sex

I did an edit on this page earlier but it was removed. "most do not seem to hide their real genders," is a bad line because okama IS their gender. And 'real gender' is a loaded pair of words, implying that identifying with anything but your sex is something fake. Most okama are male by their sex, and their gender is okama. They're not hiding anything, they're being as straight-forward about themselves as possible.

85.76.5.191 12:21, December 8, 2014 (UTC)Anon

Okama as Gender
This does not seem to have been pointed out, but in Vivre Card, the genders of Ivankov, Inazuma, and Bon Kurei are all given as "Newkama" rather than Male. Thus, I believe it would be proper to place Category:Okama in the Characters by Gender category and eliminate the Male Characters category from the okamas' pages. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:40, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

So the Okama category is already under Characters by Gender, just removing the male category is on the table. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:44, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

That's just a joke. Also it says nothing about the other named okama like Elizabeth which wouldn't be a newkama. SeaTerror (talk) 17:54, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be "Category:Newkama" that goes under Characters by Gender, then? We don't know yet how regular okama are classified. 18:00, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

While we're on the topic, why is Ballet in both Male and Female characters? Rhavkin (talk) 19:13, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Tibany was classified as a Newkama by Vivre Card, and being an okama or newkama isn't a joke, it's an actual group.

I'm not opposed to making a new category for Newkama, seems like Okama-related stuff could use a lot of overhaul here.

Bellet is in both categories because he's currently female and formerly male, without willingly undergoing a sex change/becoming an okama. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:49, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

A character can't be both. Every Deceased character was formerly alive, and we do not have a lot a multi-character pages for the sole reason that the page can't be categorize as both. Also, as you mentioned, there are characters who are listed as both male and okama, so if one category negates the other, I think male and female are even more of a negation given that they opposite by definition. Rhavkin (talk) 19:59, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Then the vivre card is wrong again since it was flat out stated Newkama were Level 5.5 members in the manga. SeaTerror (talk) 21:47, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Ok. So I'm cool with removing Male Characters from Bellet - any objections to removing Male Characters from the other okama and having Okama/Newkama take their place? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 03:24, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

There's no reason to remove Bellet from the male category. SeaTerror (talk) 06:04, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

She is not a male. Rhavkin (talk) 06:17, April 16, 2019 (UTC)