Talk:Jack

Fishman?
acording to the current abilities and power section, he's capable of holding his breath for massive amounts of time. but he doesnt look like he's holding his breath here http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/824/10 there's space between his teeth for one. there's also his shark like teeth(though there are human characters who also have teeth like this). the impression i got was that he's a fishman devil fruit user like decken. 84.209.190.252 15:10, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Fishman or part fishman like Dellinger. Rhavkin (talk) 15:13, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

It's not a bad theory, but there's not nearly enough evidence to support it right now. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 15:14, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

We cannot say for certain that Jack is a fishman or part fishman when there is more than one possible explanation for him simply being concious underwater.

15:48, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Oh puh-lease, don't ever bring that theory up again >____> 15:49, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Can anyone find a good shot of his hands? If they're webbed, that would be all the confirmation we need. 19:05, April 21, 2016 (UTC)


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But that doesn't rule out half fishman. Rhavkin (talk) 19:15, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

There are some lines on either side of his neck in the underwater shot that could be gills. Roughly symmetrical, different angle and texture from the rest on his neck. Then again, not in great detail from that close up, they could be stitches. 19:18, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Or maybe he's a Wotan. I don't remember Big Pan's size in comparison, but Jack seems huge enough for me to qualify, and those teeth could be his fishman attributes. Totoofze47 (talk) 20:48, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

"when there is more than one possible explanation for him simply being concious underwater" - What are these explanations exactly? Because I don't think "holding breath" is plausible imo... the only possible explanation left is that he is able to breath underwater. If that means he is a fishman, half-fishman or whatever I don't know.

Or Jack could be a guy who doesn't need to breath oxygen. We don't know, and there's no real solid evidence for him having fishman blood. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 22:35, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Yes the point is we don't know. We can't say something is fact when it would be speculation. SeaTerror (talk) 23:10, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Honestly a better question would be why isn't he unconcious when literally every other Devil Fruit user shown has blacked out underwater... Mhj0808 (talk) 01:59, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

That's what raised the fishman question. 02:01, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Jack is most likely a fishman. If he was able to stay alive underwater long enough to sink to the buttom of the sea, then he must be. Add to that his pointed teeth, and his unusual resemblence to Hody (im not saying that he's his brother, but he could be another great white shark fishman). Webbed hands are not a confirmation, as Hack the revolutionary fishman doesn't have them aswell. 91.186.235.94 11:02, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Well yeah I know that, I meant, even if he's a Fishman shouldn't simply being in water cause him to magically black out or whatever? Mhj0808 (talk) 22:54, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Whether he is or not, we just don't have sufficient evidence at this point. His pointed teeth can't exactly prove enough, as I don't see webbed hands or a dorsal fin. Magellan has sharp teeth too, but we can't say he's of fishman heritage. 05:34, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Don't act like being a fishman is the only possible explanation. Remember how Kaido has survived 40 executions? To me, it seems like Kaido and Jack have some sort of invulnerability thing. They just can't die. If Kaido was really suicidal, he would just lunge into the water. But what if even that wasn't enough to kill him? So I don't know if Jack is breathing underwater at all. 12:18, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Don't see why this discussion is active when there's no conclusive evidence for him being a fishman Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 12:33, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

It isn't supposed to be active. I just moved it because it was stupid to throw something into the archive after like two days. SeaTerror (talk) 15:20, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

I rewote the article to say this because it is incredibly irresponsible to speculate inside the article. We have an obligation to say we do not know in this case. 15:42, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Then that's the case, we don't say he is possibly a fishman, just say he is somehow able to survive underwater. 18:13, April 26, 2016 (UTC)