Talk:Uta

IS she really Non-canon?
Considering she made an actual appearance (even as a silhouette as a flashback) in Chapter 1055 in the actual manga, wouldn't she be considered Canon? Basically, wouldn't she be in the "same category" as Shiki the Lion? Where although the movie is considered non-canon, the character itself is technically canon for actually being mentioned/seen in the manga.WhalBP (talk) 16:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

You are correct, Uta is the same as Shiki...she debuted in a movie which is non-canon, but the canon character themselves have been confirmed as being canon to the series XXMension04Xx (talk) 13:11, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Uta's current status
okay, this is getting nowhere after seeing some revert issue about Uta's status at the end of the movie. Cdswalkthrough somehow disagrees and claims that there's no need to put her status unknown. what should we do about that? Kunoichi101 (talk) 09:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I haven't seen the movie but I do not think it's even relevant. Her status should be 'Unknown' since she is like Shiki (a canon character in a non canon movie) and he is listed as unknown. Rhavkin (talk) 10:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

She not like Shiki she end up being in the Red Hair Pirates Ship at the end of the movie also I see no clear reason to place her status as unknown. Cdswalkthrough (talk) 17:44, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Because the movie is non-canon. Those events shouldn't be taken into account, so she was only shown in Shanks' flashback, thus her current, canon, status is unknown. Rhavkin (talk) 18:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't make any difference whether she canon or non-canon no need to make her status unknown even if the movie is non-canon Cdswalkthrough (talk) 20:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Lets split this into two:
 * 1) The movie is non canon so what happened in it shouldn't effect canon characters info.
 * 2) Character seen only in flashback in canon martials are marked as Unknown unless stated other wise.

Thus Uta's status is unknown. Rhavkin (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Status Post-Global Release
So now that I've seen the film twice, it seems fairly obvious that she's dead. We see the coffin (I wish I had an image of this), we see during the credits "Uta's First & Last Album" in the hands of many characters. We can assume she died from the wake-up shrooms since she threw away the antidote. Canonicty shouldn't affect the status, just look at Z.

Someone in the wiki Discord recently mentioned that other wikis can hide he status in the infobox, so you have to click to reveal it. I think that would be a kind thing to do for our readers on this article. 03:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this should be separated from the above discussion since those points are still valid. Uta appeared in the manga so her existence is canon and her canon status is unknown. Z is a non canon character so the movie is the only source we have for his status. Maybe this should simply be the only place we do not use the code for the status (1 for "unknown", 2 for "Deceased"), and just have her status written as "Unknown (manga)  Deceased (movie)". Rhavkin (talk) 03:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Specifying manga/movie seems like the best solution in my opinion, Shiki's not really comparable because he was unknown in both manga and movie. If not in the infobox, Uta's conflicting status should at least be mentioned elsewhere in the page so it's acknowledged somewhere. Walrsu (talk) 06:28, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

If not the char box, the only acceptable place is the Manga and Anime Differences section. Rhavkin (talk) 15:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

They recently released an audio commentary for the film in Japan. Apparently Oda and the director leave her status at the end unknown. 18:17, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, I guess that settled. It would be nice to have a ref with the status, thou I assume it us from the audio or a non official translation so that would be hard to get. Rhavkin (talk) 20:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that settles it alright. We can probably just cite it as “One Piece Film Red audio commentary” We don’t have to make it any more complicated than that now. 03:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Personality as a kid
"As a child, Uta acted like a stereotypical diva, being infatuated with jewelry and glamour and not liking to get dirty" I watched the movie recently and, uh, I don't really remember that? She spent most of her time arguing evenly with Luffy and definitely had no trouble getting rough and tumble with Luffy. I think we could use a better description. ZeroSD (talk) 00:41, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

See Uta's Past arc. (Shadoguardian (talk) 13:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC))

Do you mean something other than the flashbacks in the movie? ZeroSD (talk) 01:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Episodes 1029 and 1030. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 02:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

"Canon" past
Why isn't all of her past non-canon? The only "canon" appearance for her is a shadow in Chapter 1055, which in "canon terms" focused on the manga (forgetting about the existence of other material and media outside of the original story) that shadow would be an "unknown character". All of her past in Uta's Past Arc, oblivious to the manga story, is simply a flashback of Luffy in the same style as Zoro's flashback in Episode 135, also non-canon, with scenes in the same Arc connected to the film Red, also non-canon. -- cdavymatias (talk) 10:07, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Everything from the Uta's Past Arc is in between the non-canon tags. The only thing that isn't is her being found as a baby, which is sourced to the supplemental volume which we consider canon. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 12:17, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

OK. It was my fault, since I don't know why it seemed to me that the "Meeting Luffy" part was placed before the "non-canon" tag. Now I have realized that it was placed correctly. cdavymatias (talk) 16:05, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Childhood friend trivia
"Uta is the second movie antagonist who knew a member of the Straw Hat Pirates back when they both were children, with Saga from Movie 5 being the first one."

Zoro knew Saga as a prepubecent child so that is correct but what about Carina? Nami looks like a very young teen in the flashacks in Gold & Heart of Gold and knew of Carina even before the so called betrayal. Carina herself is also a year younger than Nami. Hard to not call Carina a kid in those scenes for the same reason as let´s say Kuina. She should also count as Gold was sold on it´s non-canon Nami lore just like Film Red´s 2 filler eps were sold on lost non-canon Luffy lore.

Open page for edits
Yes there was an edit war a couple months back, but I think its calm down since May and would like the page to be open for edits again Dragonquiz (talk) 02:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Uta's status
Hi, sorry to bother, french admin here, is there any source or info about that audio commentary where Oda apparently leave Uta's status as maybe not dead ? If possible we would like to add that source.--Loiciol (talk) 08:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Uta is a complicated character. To give an example, she is like Wapol, there is the "canon Wapol" from the Drum Island Arc of the original manga, and on the other hand there is the "non-canon Wapol" from movie 9 where he has a brother and lives another story. Things related to Uta are somewhat similar. On one side is the "non-canon Uta", from the Uta's Past Arc and Film: Red, who died at the end of the film. And on the other side is the "canon Uta" from Uta's Special Page and Chapter 1055, who is in an unknown status, as currently mentioned in the Infobox. cdavymatias (talk) 11:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh so is the status unknown referring to the fact that even though she died (or is assumed to have died) in the movie, it's non-canon and thus her status is unknown ? I didn't understand that from the page. The infobox only says "Unknown" without any info whatsoever. From the reference at the end of the film red section (and some talk above on this page) I thought there were some words Oda said about the fact that she may not be dead at the end of the movie (don't know how they say it exactly). Because that was that bit of info that was interesting to us, as it would be better to explain to people who watched the movie why she's not marked as dead (because to a lot of people she's only in the movie, so we need to explain it). I couldn't find a source for that part, at least.--Loiciol (talk) 18:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

No, it's not just that. Oda and the director also leave her fate ambiguous in an audio commentary that was available via an app during the film's theatrical run. Unfortunately, there's no recording of it available but you can find various people reporting on it (e.g. Greg 's tweet). 18:50, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Regarding the audio commentary, it was marketed as a "Film Red Business Trip Edition SBS" and a trailer for it was released on YouTube. 18:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok great, I understand why I couldn't find anything on it, too bad there's no recording or translation, thanks a lot !--Loiciol (talk) 08:37, 8 September 2023 (UTC)