Forum:Inactive Administrators and Bureaucrats

Problem
As you can see after you look at the Special:WikiActivity for days, weeks, even months. You will notice that there are only 3 bureaucrats that usualy edit and work on the articles from this wiki.

Those are User:DancePowderer, User:Yatanogarasu and User:MasterDeva.

We have Special:ListUsers/sysop 8 administrators and 6 of them are bureaucrats.

As it can be seen here in the statistics for most main edits, there are bureaucrats that haven't edited an article for a long while. Examples are User:Mugiwara Franky who already said well enough that he will not be active here anymore and won't edit. So his rights as a sysop should have been taken away a long while ago.

User:Justyn has very very few edits. And hasn't edited on this wiki ever since the year 2008! I wonder why is he still a bureaucrat as well. He has done nothing for the last 3 years!

User:BattleFranky202 has not edited an article for 88 days. Even if he logged in 9 days ago. Not editing an article, which should be one of the most important responsibilities for a bureaucrat is not being done.

I understand the case about kazuya since he/she is the founder of this wiki. I'm not sure if it is even possible to strip him/her of his/her rights.

All of the users named don't seem to have done their job well enough to deserve their rights as bureaucrats on this wiki so I believe we should replace them with others.

Discussion
Well said.

Yeah, totally agree.. Admins should be active and participate at everything.. It seems that only those 3 are active.. And before that MasterDeva was inactive, so it was only 2 admins.. The others are really inactive.

I agree. The inactive administrators should be stripped of their title and give it to more deserving people. Maybe some of the reason against it is if the users come back. You can't be inactive for that many days and expect to still be an admin. There are several people who are quite dedicated to this wiki and deserve to have their hard work rewarded.Dmurray1031 22:04, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Nothing like a good nonissue, is there? I really don't see why this is a problem. The way I see it, someone should only be stripped of adminship if they do something to deliberately harm the wiki, and none of them have done that. Then again, now that something as completely harmless as this has been brought to the light, you guys will probably start crowing for something to be done about it. How does finding this out affect your activity on the wiki as opposed to before you knew?Ask yourselves, what are those people doing to the wiki that they deserve to be stripped (note that I used present tense)? And being inactive isn't a good enough reason. Just think, if this were brought up maybe only a month or two ago, Deva would be out of a job the way you guys are talking. This issue was harmless, and now that one person decided to have a problem with it, that just creates more problems. 22:43, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah.. I mean.. If it isnt a good reason to take the admin postion from a user that havent edited since 2008 then what is? I dont actually have a huge problem about it, but now that is on the table I should bring my opinion..

There is nothing wrong with them. The wiki needs active admins, so if the active ones are too few, we nominate new ones, but the inactive admins (who are the same of inactive users) still remain trustworthy, if they will come back (like Deva) they'll continue to provide their help like they did in the past, nothing more. Stripping the admin rights should be done only when the users become untrustworthy or goes against the wiki's good. I understand your logic, but it's not a problem as it seems, this happen on other wikis as well. Moreover there is one problem in doing what you ask, you can't demote a bureaucrat, only Wikia' Staff can do that.

I see. And the fact that you can strip the position of an admin is basically out of the list, cause they only have to vandalize to get their position off, and not if they are not paying attention to this wiki at all..

Just to be clear, you cannot demote a bureaucrat but an "admin only" can be demoted by a bureaucrat like DP.

Here's an idea: let's ask these inactive admins to see if they want to return to help edit anymore. If not (or if they remain silent) then we remove their admin status. 02:05, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good..

Then let's ask, and if we don't receive a respond in 7 days (or some other timelimit that you guys want), then we remove them and give their positions to some other editors: that would lead to a new forum opening for voting and debating.
 * As a suggestion for the future, if an admin decides to be inactive for an extended period of time (like 2-3 months) and still wishes to maintain their status, they should put a notification on their user page beforehand. Does it sound good? 02:17, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

It's the right thing to do, yeah nice.

Set the timelimit at a month but in the meantime I think Two More ADMINS should be approved can someone possibly make a nomination section. If so my votes go to LPK and Levithan Tuckyd 02:41, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

The month is fine. But this isn't about looking for new admins. This has to do with the admins who haven't been active for some time. 03:12, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

As DP said, this is not about getting new admins. This wiki already has enough admins. It is true that those listed about in the list of In-Active Admins are little at fault but its not upto use to decide to give them a second chance or not, they deserve it for the contribution they have given to this wiki. They were the one who shaped this wiki to what it is now and we must appreciate their work. A month notice sounds fair and if they do not reply or say that they can't be active anymore then active admins will take action. Again, we don't need new admins. Monkey.D.Me 03:29, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

This sounds pretty good to me, if they don't want the position, or if they are never gonna use it, then they can forfeit their titles. As for current admins, they are doing a damn good job, so we dont really need any more right now.  PX15 | What's up? |3:32 12/Dec/2011 UTC

I fail to understand why we need to demote them...If the other admins decide that they need more help than we'd elect new admins, but demoting them for the sake of demoting them seems a bit pointless. 09:02, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Exact same thoughts as Panda.

Sounds reasonable.. Let Yata leave them a message though, and we'll see how it goes. If they dont answer then we'll see what to do..

Erm.. just gonna ask.. will it hurt the OP wiki if we have lots of admins..?? I mean if we need new admins .. just elect. We don't have to strip other users just to give their position to others. 12:55, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

I find it a little disturbing in myself to see that we have an admin that has fewer edits than most of the active users here. Two of the inactive admins left this wiki. I can call that betraying their position and running away from responsabilities. I see it this way: In a bussiness, if you do nothing, you get fired or get lower in position. They have become admins for editing and doing something on the wiki and they don't do it while others work their ass off. Its unfair, truly unfair to see this kind of thing. An admin working really hard at editing and one does not, becomes inactive and still has the same rights! Are you so lazy to demote them. Not for the sake of demoting, but for showing that an admin on this wiki edits and has some standards. I don't see how admins such as Mugiwara Franky will come back to edit. As you can see in my link about the sysop list, Battle Franky logged in just yesterday! But I see that he has done nothing in regard to what his responsabilites as an admin are.