Template talk:Straw Hat Pirates Gallery

Thousand Sunny
I believe the Thousand Sunny should be part of it. But, I know, we're having a hard time finding a good picture, right? I just thought I'd bring it up.


 * Hmm... I'm waiting on the anime for images. One-Winged Hawk 07:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

...Well, how about now? - BattleFranky202 03:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Surume a Crew Member?
Whoever made the edit that included Surume the kraken as a crew member should probably undo it until it's really official that the big guy will be sticking around with the crew, instead of just guiding them to Fishman Island. - BattleFranky202 07:50, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

What about Foxy Pirates? we put Chopper as a former member?? surume is not like vivi, he is a member.

06:26, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Allies
Vivi and Carue aren't the only allies of the Straw Hat pirates. There's a whole table of them on this page. Shouldn't they be removed from the template because if they are included, then what about all the other allies of the Straw Hats? Cuddlykids 10:55, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the point in putting Hearts Pirates in the allies and not the Straw Hat Grand Fleet.

YES PLEASE! ^^

Fleet
Shouldn't this include the members of the fleet, or just a link to the fleet itself? 71.241.139.33 22:03, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Grand Fleet Representatives
Why are the Grand Fleet groups or only the representatives not listed as subordinates? The page of Hundred Beast Pirates has separate section for the Subordinates and Allies. 121.54.54.145 16:13, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Because they aren't subordinates. That's the point in Chapter 800: they freely choose to aid Luffy and not serve  under him. Rhavkin (talk) 17:01, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

That's actually true. Even then, they should have another sub-category which is not "Allies" or "Subordinates" as a recognition for their voluntary affiliation. 121.54.54.36 20:54, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

As I said Here, although Luffy did not want them to join him, after Totto Land, the world recognizes the Grand Fleet as Luffy's subordinates, since they declare themselves as such. After all, a section with them is already on the page of the Straw Hat Pirates. Maybe we should put a section with a portrait of the representatives, and also Zeus. Cdavymatias (talk) 16:41, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Subordination should be officially recognized by the Straw Hats themselves, not from outside onlookers. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:48, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

Mink\Kozuki Alliance
I think we should include this new alliance that's probably gonna continue until the end of the "Pirates Alliance Saga". I would have done that myself but i couldn't, and on that note, it's time to remove the protraction now that the Grand Fleet representatives are on another template. Rhavkin (talk) 16:38, March 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you Yatanogarasu but what I had in mind was simply the family crest and their name, not every member of the family, like the Heart Pirates Template.Rhavkin (talk) 20:52, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Fire Tank Pirates
Should they be included? I had a little discussion with Awaikage on each other talk pages but basicly I say it's an alliance, he said a "temporary team-up", I said "so when it's over we'll put a ", and gave the New Fishman and Flying Alliance as an example, and now we're here. Thoughts? Rhavkin (talk) 16:58, March 9, 2017 (UTC)

They haven't technically agreed on anything. Only showed interest. Besides, this is not an alliance. You could call it a non-agression pact. They ain't gonna help eachother in the fight, at least, from what I assume. All in all, I'd say it's too early to confirm anything. 18:26, March 9, 2017 (UTC)

From Pirate Alliance page: "Goals and Benefits: An alliance is usually formed with the purpose of reaching a specific, mutual goal. It may be something that neither crew could accomplish on their own, such as defeating a powerful enemy or finding a lost treasure."

And as Jinbe said, the fact that both of them (and Caesar) hate Big Mom is enough to called them an allied army.

When Bege asked if they should "join hands" Luffy said "fine, but let me punch you". that's an agreement.

No one said that alliance means fighting together, just like the Saruyama Alliance ("...finding a lost treasure". Rhavkin (talk) 18:35, March 9, 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. 19:11, March 9, 2017 (UTC)

Dias
Shouldn't Dias be added with a and a  (after all, he is listed on their page and he is affiliated with them in his char box)? Rhavkin (talk) 13:41, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

No. 13:47, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

^ 13:49, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

And the reasons would be...? If Blyue is included in the Giant Warrior Pirates Gallery, way not Dias, here? Rhavkin (talk) 14:53, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

Not even Vivi is included so we are not going to include some random player character no one has ever heard of, that apparently just travels with the Straw Hats for a while. This is much too important for that. 15:15, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

Vivi was never officially part of the crew, and if that character is so random, why is he on the main page and why is it said he is a (former) part of the crew in his char box? We have game characters on other galleries so what's the differance? Rhavkin (talk) 15:38, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

Difference is that this is the Straw Hat Pirates, the most important group in the series, and we're not going to open the floodgates for extraneous inclusions because of some ridiculously obscure, Japan-only video game player character that doesn't technically even have an official name. We barely even know what happens in the game. Are we going to include all of the Foxy Pirates next as former members because they technically joined for like a minute in anime filler? No. We're not gonna open the floodgates, same reason we're very particular about the "Allies" list as well. The Navibox and category only includes the official set as crewmembers tlliesoo. 20:04, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

I agree that he should not be added. I don't think it is an issue of "opening the flood gates" because no one in non-canon OP stuff has joined the crew besides Dias, Foxy, and his crew. My issue is that they are all both non-canon and former and were only crew members for a VERY short period of time. One game or episode does not really warrant adding to the template, especially because they are the most important crew in the series. As the person who made Dias's page, I don't think it is necessary. 20:18, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that they should get special treatment as long as Dias is expressly mentione on their page, but I know a lost cause when I see it. Rhavkin (talk) 07:25, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

Sun Pirates
With their lasting fealty to their Captain Jinbe, and after reading Chapter 901 I think it's fair to add them to the Allies box. --Bennett.h.dubois (talk) 08:20, April 13, 2018 (UTC)

Zeus
I think Zeus should be included in another sub-header. Maybe add another sub-header called "Subordinates" (or other more appropriate sub-header) since he isn't really a part of the crew. What do you think? "Be water my friend." - AnimeLoverPH (talk) 01:48, April 28, 2018 (UTC)

Yes. He's clearly not an actual member. SeaTerror (talk) 02:55, April 28, 2018 (UTC)

Or maybe, now that he accompanies Nami, place him in the Allies category before of the Heart Pirates. --Cdavymatias (talk) 19:37, April 28, 2018 (UTC)

Vivi and Carue
Since we have a single character in the allies section, I think we should add Vivi and Carue there as well. They weren't add as crew members for obvious reasons, but they are defiantly allies, had a much more significant rule in the crew, and are listed as standout cases in the allies tab. Rhavkin (talk) 18:25, June 23, 2018 (UTC)

I think it's better to keep it as official alliances. Otherwise we could pretty much just add anyone who the Straw Hats have helped. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:51, June 23, 2018 (UTC)

The other character (from memory) that actually traveled with them (who aren't part of an allied group like the Heart Pirates or Kozuki Family) are Johnny and Yosaku (Baratie->AP), Mr. 9 (RM->WP) Kokoro, Chimney and Gonbe(EL->W7), Hatchan, Keimi, and Pappug (Fish Riders base->Sabaody), Caribu (Sabaody->FI), Caesar (PH->Zou), and Pedro, Pekoms (Zou->WCI), and Carrot (Zou->TBA) and filler characters. I think it's pretty clear that Vivi, Carue, and Zeus are different cases, but if we remove Zeus then this is moot point. Should we restart the above discussion with a sub-header? Rhavkin (talk) 22:05, June 23, 2018 (UTC)

Okay the protection needs to go now because if we're going to add Vivi to this gallery we should the order to reflect her number 5.5 (i.e. before Chopper).--Rgilbert27 (talk) 18:56, December 6, 2018 (UTC)

Rgilbert27 Vivi has been added because she appears with the protagonists in Vivre Crad Databook with the number 0013, so she is well after Jinbe, especially being a temporary "member", unlike Robin, Franky or Brook who are official members. - Cdavymatias (talk) 12:41, December 8, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the number on the card I'm talking about the number in relation to the crew and speaking of card what is her role in the crew?--Rgilbert27 (talk) 18:06, December 8, 2018 (UTC)

The portrait is also wrong since it should be using pre-timeskip image for this template. SeaTerror (talk) 01:07, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

Is there a pre-timeskip portrait of Vivi?--Rgilbert27 (talk) 01:45, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

The 5.5 was given because she started traveling with the protagonists after joining the 5th official member, Sanji, and before the 6th official member, Chopper. Being she some kind of "honorary member", and not an official member, since her objective from the beginning was to temporarily travel with them until they reach Arabasta, her position after Jinbe is the most appropriate. As for the portrait before-TS, on the one hand it is appropriate since it is the time that she traveled with they, but on the other, the first six members consider it a comrade more although time has passed, and there is not much change in her appearance after the TS. - Cdavymatias (talk) 14:11, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

The order of the gallery is by the number each crew member is given in what was linked above and so far Jinbe's information has yet to be added.--Rgilbert27 (talk) 18:38, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

Former members in any group are placed last. End of discussion. Rhavkin (talk) 23:25, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

The databook never said she was a former member. SeaTerror (talk) 23:30, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

The discussion isn't active, we have a rule to settle those issues as I mentioned earlier. ST, this is not the place for that discussion, and even if it was, you can't reopen a discussion days after you were outnumbered because you don't like the decision. Rhavkin (talk) 05:11, December 10, 2018 (UTC)

You really should retake English classes or work on your English comprehension again. I was obviously talking about the fact the databook never said anything about her being a former member. It only said member. SeaTerror (talk) 23:52, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Subordinates
Like the templates of the Yonko or the New Fishman Pirates, what do you think about adding a section of "Subordinates"? Although it would only be two portraits: 1. The Straw Hat Grand Fleet (with 1 portrait of the representatives is enough since the leaders and crews appear in their own template), and 2. Zeus. Cdavymatias (talk) 09:55, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Take this to the gallery template talk page Template talk:Straw Hat Pirates Gallery. 10:14, August 18, 2018 (UTC)