Template talk:Char Box

What we have
As seen in Pandaman and other articles, the infobox code works. So to make our articles look better, I thinking of applying it to the characters. However to make it work properly and so, I need comments on what to put in. Some current categories can be used or optional however some might not be necessary or may cause problems so I really need some comments. Here is what we currently have.


 * Japanese Name:
 * Romanized Name:
 * English Name:
 * Current occupation:
 * Epithet:
 * Origins:
 * Age:
 * Birthday:
 * Height:
 * Affiliations:
 * Japanese VA:
 * English VA:
 * First Appearance:
 * Last Appearance:
 * Rivals:
 * Confirmed Relatives:
 * Dream:
 * Fighting Style:
 * Devil Fruit:
 * Meaning:
 * English Name:
 * Type:
 * Effect:
 * Bounty:

If a category in the following is not needed or such by the general community. Please put a slash on it with .Mugiwara Franky 04:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, "Rivals", "Confirmed Relatives" and "Dream" are probably not too useful for many characters, so I'd say no to those ones... Plus they're just not that useful in an info box, I'd think. For Devil Fruit... well, since many characters don't have one, it might be best if they were done with a separate thing or something? I know on Wikipedia there's a separate Devil Fruit box, that might work well. For bounties, maybe we could do the same thing, or have two different character boxes or something, since many characters don't have bounties... "Age", "Birthday" and "Height" will also be difficult for most characters, they might be best left off/optional/something, since it seems silly to have entire sections for only a small amount of characters... Um... I can't think of any other problems, though, but I'll keep thinking about it. ^^ --Murasaki 05:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Except in Pandaman's case the info box is only short. The other characters in the series have much more info and it looks odd. We had that discussion right back at the beginning... Its a problem that haunts us even now it seems. Maybe if you shrink the text + cut down whats going in it... I mean some info could be moved to the "trivia" sections. One-Winged Hawk 08:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah some things need to be cut down but which ones is kinda the discussion here. Anyway, I've been trying some tests in Test Page. There you can see two different infoboxes. One with an epithet and one without.Mugiwara Franky 06:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That one is okay I guess. The epithet and not epithet look the same... This sounds stupid,but I don't know so I'm asking - whats the difference in having one or not. One-Winged Hawk 08:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's kinda the same but it's an example of a variable that one character may have and another may not have. Anyway, it's work in progress. By the way, I've modified the code been so the text and box are smaller. Check again the test page.Mugiwara Franky 13:11, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Explanations
This is an infobox that could be used for the characters. For most of the empty spots like image it works like basic templates. Simply type "image=" and what you want to put in it. Others like epithet are more complex. To make them work, you need to call up the template for the epithet by typing "epithet= " and writing the value/s for the epithet. This is because some characters may not have a nickname and some may not. This also works for bounty and devil fruit sections. The "extra1" and "extra2" sections are there so you can put in templates that contain infobox categories unique to a certain character. For instance, take the main CP9 agents. The majority of them have "Douriki" and "Key no" values. A template can be created for those values and used in the "extra1" section. This can be used for them. One can also notice that some of them have "Age" and "Birthday" values. Another template can be created with those values and used in the "extra2" section. With this, you get CP9 infoboxes with Douriki and Key no. values and some containing also the Age and birthday values.

The picture is apparently the crucial part of the infobox. If it is too big or one inputs a large value for it's size, the infobox becomes too large.Mugiwara Franky 05:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay there are some explanations on this template page and such so it can further explain how this works. It isn't finished but I hope this gives an idea on how it works.Mugiwara Franky 13:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Latest Appearance/Last Appearance
Okay this kinda concerns the ships as well but this may need to be addressed. Do really need a category that lists when the character was last seen. It's okay with the manga but the anime and other forms of media maybe troublesome. I mean in the anime, despite being filler and non canon, we saw Miss Monday walking and talking alive in a recent special. This may confuse some people, I think.Mugiwara Franky 04:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

So...
Instead of one simple char box we have several? Okay. Fine with me how about everyone else? Seriously... Being the only one to express opinions on such matters is getting lonely. T_T' One-Winged Hawk 23:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You were the only one expressing your opinion because I was waiting for him to have it all set up first, not because I don't care. XD;;
 * It looks great to me, it fits all the criteria I have for it. ^^ --Murasaki 04:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

So we can use this, right?Mugiwara Franky 23:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to. ^^ --Murasaki 02:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, the box is now currently being used in Brook and Eneru. They kinda don't take up much space. All I can say is as long as the image size is right, the article is long enough, and the instructions on how to use it are read well, it's okay I guess. Other than that, it's good. Any other comment.Mugiwara Franky 13:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

bit characters
Do you have one for the minor characters... With:


 * J/R/E name
 * first
 * occupation
 * Location
 * J/E VAs

on it (give or take one or two of those)? I want to do the minor characters but most are citizens and they have no real info to supply them. I'd like them to only appear if filled in. One-Winged Hawk 21:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Umm, you can do something like this for them I guess. This is as simple as it can get.Mugiwara Franky 07:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Its okay I realised that a day later after I asked that when I did Nojiko's page. I have another request. Separate "4Kids" and "FUNimation" VA options. The reason for this is simply because if FUNimation goes back and redoes the eps from beginning you'll have a situation.


 * Some of the SHs had two VAs (past self and current) so multiply that but possibly 2 more for FUNi and you get 4 VAs for the english dub section. Plus you have to add a little bracket to say 4Kids or FUNi... And well... You begin to get a complex mess. One-Winged Hawk 08:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Here I guess.Mugiwara Franky 12:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The template is called Template:Char box eva 2. Place this instead of the other one.Mugiwara Franky 12:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thats great! That will make life easier when we find out the VAs for FUNimation. Thanks MF! One-Winged Hawk 12:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Request
I know it seems like an odd request... But can we move the occupation a little. Would it be possible to add another section to the template:


 * 1) J.Roger of crew/flag (Marine/country/etc
 * 2) Afilation
 * 3) ccupation
 * 4) Bounty


 * I don't get what you mean. Are you suggesting another image be placed in the infobox?Mugiwara Franky 02:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Request.
I'm from another wikia, the Fairy Tail one (although I do the occasional content edit here), and I'm trying to make it more organised and spruce it up, for a lack of a better term. I've been reading about and trying to understand how to make my own templates from Wikipedia from scratch but I'm having difficulty understanding some of it. Anyway, to the point: I was wondering if I could use the template format you guys use as a foundation so I can understand it and personalise it for the FT wikia? I'll give credit if credit is due, and I'm going to use it, but I'll take it down if you guys want. To be honest, I'm not even sure if I actually have to ask, but, yeah, I'm new. Thanks. Dalyup! 13:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Your welcome to use it for the FT wikia as long as you give credit.Mugiwara Franky 14:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I will on the template's page. Dalyup! 14:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Infobox appearance
What I dislike in this infobox: things like 4kids English VA where few words are divided into 2 strings. I made a little wider and added fixed width to the first column. You can see the results in my sandbox. Imho, it looks better. What do you think, is it OK to change this template? Ruxax 10:14, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Manga and Anime
Now that we finally successfully implement the Toggle function (thanks again for those who helped), one can experiment a lot of new possibilities. In particular the use of several images at one place.

So since I know that there are people like myself and GMTails, who would like, sometime, to keep some manga images, or to avoid some edit wars like the one for Hancock char picture. I propose that we modify the template in order to add two pictures, one from the manga and one from the anime. Below an example of what it could give (click on one of the 2 links to switch between the 2 pictures). Kdom 20:15, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

anime |manga

That's a good idea, maybe we could even use this to images in articles, incluiding char picture. It would be a lot better and original, since I never saw a Wikia doing this. Wich way should images be? Only anime or only manga Both manga and anime Another way A poll here will help us to see how many agree or not. GMTails 20:38, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I support such pictures in char boxes. Ruxax 15:07, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alot of potential here.Mugiwara Franky 15:47, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I think so too, that's why I insisted a little for having it... That can be used for the 4kid edits, the anime vs manga etc... There is also such behaviour which can be interesting to perform. Kdom 15:57, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

But I want to note that it is highly desirable for two images to have equal height (or at least nearly equal), otherwise moving up-down rest of the page could be rather annoying. Ruxax 16:15, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

here are some examples of what it would give. I think it is ok even if the pics are not completely of the same size, as soon as you do not constantly switch between the two. The only thing is that in Luffy case anime link refers to a game image Kdom 20:02, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

A bug, or maybe a feature, of your, Kdom, code, is that any anime/manga toggler will change all pictures. (See above, Luffy and Whitebeard). Ruxax 23:56, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * it is because they are associated with the same class but in theory there will be only one char box per page. Kdom 05:21, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

anime |manga

Yes indeed, the toggle above with Whitebeard and Luffy both change due to similar toggle parameters.Mugiwara Franky 07:11, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Are you guys planning to use togglable pictures outside char boxes? Ruxax 10:04, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well wherever one assume it is useful. With such a code you could have 2 versions of the Arc pages, one with the anime pictures and one with the manga ones and switch from one to the other by clicking on a link.

Also below is another interesting version that does not use external link. You switch between the images just by clicking on it. Also it seems the div applies to all the page width but it may be different in a table. Kdom 19:01, August 11, 2010 (UTC)  


 * You just need to specify width of div: Some disadvantage is that one can't go to the file's page. Ruxax 19:22, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I know but it is already the case for the gallery portraits templates.
 * Is it ok to implement the first solution ? What type of legend/toggle name do you suggests.
 * I also think we could start sort of polls to decide which manga images one can choose for the Strawhat and others main characters Kdom 19:30, August 11, 2010 (UTC)