Forum:Meganoide

Editing the talk pages of several anonymous users who received a message for editing a page that has since become a redirect, altering the record of their edit. He has ignored multiple people who have told him to stop multiple times. It falls under vandalism by editing talk page messages.

Punishment: Two week ban.

Nominator: 23:20, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

He doesn't only edit the welcome message of anons but also the welcome message of registered users(!) and even corrects their grammar on their profile pages. Completely unacceptable. 23:43, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

I will stop editing talk pages. I only ask to continue correcting redirects in normal pages. --Meganoide 11:23, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I still don't understand the point of those edits. 12:29, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think is anything wrong with editing the code, since the text will be not altered. For example, if there is a red link in a talk page, it should be fixed otherwise the spacial page associated will be unnecessary populated with the wanted pages, although I also think there isn't really a reason to do that.

No need to ban him if he stops editing talkpages (both article and user). The redirects are no reason to be banned, at least it isn't covered anywhere. 14:32, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I still don't see the point of editing redirects in articles. They go to the same page, so why alter them? 17:09, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Pointless edits that fill the activity.. And he was warned by Yata and DP in the past, and he keeps doing it.. No offence.. And its not good to just correcting welcome messages.. C'mon.. 17:16, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the point as well, but that needs to be discussed separately (it is no vandalism, it doesn't actually harm the wiki and it isn't forbidden).

I can only speculate about his motives, but maybe he doesn't like the "you have been redirected" line that appears when you are.... uhm.... redirected?

After all a redirect implies that you were incapable to find the article you were looking for, you needed a redirection. Really minor and not even worth mentioning.

But whatever, he said he won't edit talkpages anymore, that's all that counts (the code thing is no reason for a ban, yet) 17:42, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

PLS...no BANNING...he just didnt get about the talk page stuff...he was correcting the links....but talk pages were wrong..but I think he can continue editng the redirects:)

They were not wrong. Those were what they originally said so they are right. Editing them for any reason at all is asinine. He even edited article talk page comments before too. SeaTerror 17:57, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Forum Reopen
It has come to my attention that a certain user, who shall remain nameless.......*looks at forum title*...................nvm, it has come to my attention that Meganoide has been running his so called "pointless edits" amuck again. So i declare this forum........REOPEN -- 16:32, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

He has been told repeatedly to stop and has ignored all messages. He also refuses to provide any reason for his edits when asked. I propose a one month ban. 16:44, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Some people told him to stop because they don't like his edits, so it's just a matter of opinions and "edit testes", beside the first discussion was about editing other talk pages.

Letting aside the discussion on Meganoide my opinion on the redirect thing is:
 * Fixing not canon name redirects is a good thing, for example something like "Jimbe → Jinbe".
 * Fixing short-name or nickname redirects is irrelevant, I don't see it as a task to do, but I don't see a reason to undo it. Some example "Luffy → Monkey D. Luffy" or "Whitebeard → Edward Newgate", just a note some people may prefer to see the actual name in the tooltip instead of a nickname (Whitebeard vs Whitebeard) (and technically the short-name case is a little different from the nickname case, because the latter is more reasonable in my opinion).
 * Fixing redirect to merged pages as well different topic pages is a bad thing, for example "Gear Second → Gomu Gomu no Mi/Gear Second Techniques" or "Shandian Village → Skypiea#Shandian Village". This is because in these cases the redirect works as an anchor for a concept or a topic different from the page which is redirecting to, this is useful because if in future we decide to make the Gear Second tab a page on its own, we don't have to fix the links.

Now to the main point: I see many people who keep undoing Meganoide's edits because "fixing redirects is pointless", I agree with that but it's also pointless to reword a phrase just because I want or to remove a comma, why do you *must* undo this kind of edit? Think about it: if I make a new article from the beginning, would you change  to  ? Because the real point here, in my opinion, is not "fixing redirects" but "undoing-fixing redirects" and "undoing-undoing-fixing redirects", because as matter of fact it's you people who keep reverting Meganoide's edits who are starting edit wars, Megaonoide can be blamed for continuing them, but it's not him who started it. I think that if "fixing redirects" is pointless than "undoing-fixing redirects" is pointless^2 and "undoing-undoing-fixing redirects" is pointless^3 and so on...

While Meganoides edits are pointless, undoing those edits is even more pointless.

And you should try and notice how stupid it looks on the WA to see a war between contributors start over something as pointless as this. It's like you're just searching for reasons to have an edit war over and you found a perfect one!

There's nothing pointless about undoing his edits. SeaTerror 20:17, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

That's your whim as it's his whim to do those edits, you just arbitrary decided that those edits are not allowed.

Apparently DP doesn't exist in your fantasy world. SeaTerror 20:21, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

The fact remains, he's continued to do it despite being asked to stop multiple times and has failed to give a reason for why he's going over redirects when asked. So as far as I can tell from that he's trying to start edit wars or just trying to find cheap ways to up his edit count. If he has no reason to change a redirect, then why change it? Unless he's trying to irritate us, why fix what isn't broken? 20:22, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I already explained my thoughts about fixing redirects, you said that there is no reason for him to fix redirects, but then I have to say what reason/rights you people have to ask him to stop? Since there is no harm in those edits you just don't like it, that's all. You people are starting edit wars, and he is in wrong because he is continuing them. Why fix what isn't broken? Aside from redirects, because something works it doesn't mean that it's good as it is, some examples are our infoboxes, that degenereted in messy codes and sub-templates or the syntax of most of our pages that doesn't follow any common wiki-syntax style. I usually fix those, so does that make my edits pointless? Is rewording a correct sentence pointless? These kind of things are usually covered by the manual of style, so I'll propose them if we will make one (and we can talk about redirects there too). I don't understand this "pointless" talk at all and it seems weird that people SeaTerror just keep undoing what they feel "pointless". I don't understand what an user here could gain by raising up his edits.

Who doesn't think he outta be banned? It doesn't matter how bad of an action he did. The point is, an admin told him to stop. He didn't. That alone, no matter what you did, is worthy of a ban. But it's cool. We let it slide at first. However, he's consistantly disregarding his warnings. There's no reason at all to let him continue. Admins seem to be loosing there power. They're there for a reason. If an admin tells you to do it, you do it. If an admin tells you repeatedly not to do something, for the love of Oda, don't do it. It's simple. So ban him and ban him hard. 21:07, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Levi, to answer your question, no, the kind of edits you listed are actually productive since they actually go toward the betterment of the wiki. All Meganoide's doing is putting up an alternate route for a road that isn't broken. Changing them doesn't help, they are, as SeaTerror put it, edit fluff. And also it's just his general rudeness about the whole thing. I probably wouldn't be half as irritated by it if he gave a reason for it, instead of ignoring the question and accusing anyone who tells him off of being detrimental to the site. Going back to what I said earlier, that as well would make it just seem like he's just trying to irritate us. Redirects are just as good as straight links, so why alter something that is already perfectly fine, and dare I say just plain convenient? Attitude and lack of reason have as much to do with this as fluffing up his edits by making pointless changes. 21:42, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

If we are talking about his attitude, then I have nothing to say. About the redirects I kinda understand why he does that, I also usually don't use redirect-links when I'm adding links because I found more "right" to point in the actual article rather then a mirror to it, I just thought that redirects were useful in for searches. Fixing redirects it's not so out the world, I sometimes use a wiki-editor that have an option called "fix redirect" which automatically fix all redirect in a page. On this matter aside from the "short name redirects" (Zoro → Roronoa Zoro), I somewhat don't fell right in using nickname redirects, for the same reason why we don't use common surname for the article's title. I still don't understand the whole matter about "we told you to stop" (because we don't like it), that's a personal point of view, in my opinion. He was told to not edit other people's messages without a reason, this is a different topic.

Well, we don't use the common surnames because of cases of muliplicity. If I searched Monkey or Nico, there'd be no way of knowing who meant I specifically. They are useful in searches, at least before wikia ruined the search feature, so now they're convenient in making quick links. The way I see it, redirects should only be touched again if they get broken, an example would be if we found a link to one of the recently deleted redirect pages, like a direct link to "Pirate Hunter Zoro". That's fine. The main issue I have with it is Meganoide was making edits that weren't contributive, then he didn't provide any reasons for his apparent hatred of redirects despite being asked multiple times, and finally was just rude when he was asked to stop. Redirects overall are just a piece of the bigger problem at this point. 22:40, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I meant "nickname redirects" (Whitebeard → Edward Newgate). As a side-note, technically if you correct the redirects from the beginning the chances of creating broken links in the future will drop.