Forum:NinjaSheik's talk page

The user page is whatever. Stupid to delete it but not as bad as getting a talk page deleted. Talk pages are supposed to be left alone for archival purposes. There's a reason why article talk pages don't get deleted even if an article is deleted. These pages should never be deleted so both of NinjaSheik's pages should be restored. Especially the talk page because people had commented on it. It doesn't matter if a user requests it because of the unofficial archival rules. SeaTerror 00:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Technically, user talk pages are pretty much the same as user page in one aspect: the respective user has all the rights to delete or add to it as they please, as long as it does not involve anything offensive or spamming. 00:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

They have a right to blank it and remove what they want. Removing the entire talk page removes everything, even the history. The history should never be removed. SeaTerror 00:36, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree with SeaTerror on this (never thought I would say that) they are enabled on every wiki by default and that is for obvious reason that don't really need to be listed here. Furthermore I know thanks to being an admin myself on two different wikias that Talk pages unlike article comments, blogs, achievement badges and all that stuff, Talk Pages cannot be disabled by admins and I my sources are correct not even a wikia staff member can or may turn of the wikia talk pages and that is for one simple reason, which is the same reason they are there in the first place. The Talk Pages form and are the most essential primary part of the wikias communications network, they are there to let people/force people to communicate with one another and without communication a wikia cannot exist. NinjaSheiks and anyone elses his or her talkpage is there for this most essential part COMMUNICATION, you may as one individual not like that but that is just to bad for you they serve a basic primary function on this wikia just like clothes serve a basic primary function in soceity so do talk pages on the wikia. In trying to keep things short. I think we should maka an official rule out of this. The rule should be that: No-one may remove his or her talk page (content) in it's entirety or request complete content removement. All a user should be allowed to do is archive there talk page. PS:History must alwasy be preserved as a wise librarian once said. (OnePieceNation 00:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC))'''

I agree with SeaTerror as well. Talk pages, especially on articles, are a way to document previous decisions that were made by previous editors. They also can be used for documentation for things such as bans and other issues. I vote for leaving the talk pages alone. 00:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that my history didn't have anything bad on it and was hardly used, so there was no point of having it at all. The only time I spoke with anyone on the wiki is when I get into an edit war, and if we're having a disagreement, then we take to the discussion page to sort it with other users, correct? After all, I don't have friends here (except for Yata-senpai, but I can speak to me on the Narutopedia), so there's no point of keeping it in my opinion.-- Ninja Sheik  00:56, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

NinjaSheik you seem to be missing the purpose of the talk pages, whether they are used or unused and whether they have positive things or negative things on them or the fact if you do have or not have friends on here it doesn't matter. They are there to be the wikia's primary communications tool, the fact you don't use them or don't feel like having them doesn't matter because they serve a primary wiki function. (OnePieceNation 01:08, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

No, I understand the point, believe me. But for me, it's different. There's nothing important about and it was hardly use, if it contains something important, I agree it shouldn't be deleted, but if a person wants it delete, then let the admin decide whether or not if it's right.-- Ninja Sheik  01:11, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

You really don't understand it actually. A talk page especially should never be deleted. The point of blanking something is to leave the history. It isn't that hard to understand that deleting something deletes the history. SeaTerror 01:19, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

They just wanted to make a big deal out of this little thing. I agree talk pages should not be deleted, it's the only way to preserve evidence of something. NS, don't worry, this is not a direct accusation to you or to Yata, it's just a great occasion to bring this up and put it down on an official forum.

You're right, Ricizubi. Your last sentence makes me want to bring this up: A while back, someone told me this wiki don't even have a proper written Manuel of Style. If you guys have decided long ago, maybe this forum wouldn't have to be created. But since you guys never did, which is kinda shocking, me wanting to delete my user and talk pages gave you guys a reason to bring this up and on a forum.

I know I said this before, but I'll say again for good measure: You guys need to fix yourself up and get your act together, because a wiki can't survive if doesn't know what to do, like how a crew can't survive without its captain.-- Ninja Sheik  01:36, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

It seems to be under construction User:Pacifista15/Random_Stuff3

"You guys need to fix yourself up and get your act together" Nice teen arrogance you got going. :) SeaTerror 01:42, April 21, 2012 (UTC) Due to recent events such as this one, I have decided to draft a basic Manual of Style. I will later make and post a forum for it, so if you want to contribute to it then hang on a little bit until I am done with a rough draft.

About time. Can't believe this was never brought up before, no wonder this place is such a mess. I hope remember the titles of series and games should be in italics like this: One Piece and One Piece: Unlimited Adventure.-- Ninja Sheik  01:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

"no wonder this place is such a mess." How cute. SeaTerror 01:51, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's not arrogance, it's the truth. Run-on sentences, fragment sentences, grammar and spelling mistakes, no CLEAR Manuel of Style. How is this arrogance when the evidence is on your own wiki?-- Ninja Sheik  01:54, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'll say again what I think here: What usually is done: for users who occasionally edit on a wiki or just don't want anything to do with it, usually I see that they: This is what I think the option are. A user may have the right to ask for the deletion of his profile, but we are not really obligated to do so, especially if someone just want to remove the content and have no special reason to want his page gone. You won't magically disappear from the wiki logs, that's why I found it strange, furthermore an account is global to Wikia, so a wiki is just a place you can edit not a different site.
 * For user pages: I just found bothersome to other users to have red links to user page (which will open the editor) which don't fulfill their role as links (User:NinjaSheik, for example). You may say who cares, but that is something concerning the wiki not the user. Why is unreasonable to just blank out the content? (blank out = removing all content; deleting page = removing the page from the system)
 * For user talk pages: completely removing the talk page is unreasonable, in my opinion, because you prevent a way to contact you, so this is especially bothersome if you are still editing on the wiki. If you are making mistakes, how can someone contact you?
 * Blank out their personal pages.
 * Leave a few words telling how and where contact them (like this)
 * Make a soft redirect  (user page) and   (talk page)
 * Leave things as they are.

As I said a user may have the right to do what he wants on his personal space, but he doesn't own it. I think the deletion is an action that regard the wiki itself.

Let's be clear, maybe it's not the end of the world if we accept to delete the user pages, but it's the same for the opposite: it seems we are violating the user right by asking to not deleting those pages. Because the question is reduced to why we should delete the user page while we can simply blank it out and achieve the same effect? I'm most concerned to the talk page then the user page, though.

To be clear, there is no generally rule on this matter, it depends on the local wiki policy.


 * Also, let's talk about user pages and user talk pages first, not article talk page.
 * @NinjaSheik: this is a discussion that must be solved anyway, but for your personal matter about why you decided to do that, we can talk it separately. Also, I didn't really see much wiki having a policy on this matter, do you? I think usually they decide case by case or leave it to the admins.
 * @Pacifista: it's good to work on the manual of style, but there are also tons of forum-decision to be translated on the policies. If Angel was here she will remind us about the image guidelines.
 * @SeaTerror: let's not flame up this forum.


 * Uhm, most wiki/wikia's don't have a manuel of style the reason for this is that a manuel style is only needed for wikia where there are a lot of people and a lot of conflicts, however though there are a lot of people here the amount of conflicts that occur are pretty minor and most conflicts are talked out on talk pages and bigger things are discussed on the forums. It might be useful to have a manuel of style however before creating one we should first discuss the things that it will contain. Also how things are done one wiki don't influence how things should be done on another. PS: PX-15 you should open a forum about your manuel of style once it is finished before doing anything else. PPS:thanks to continues edit conflicts this comment was delayed. (OnePieceNation 01:57, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

The way you say it is arrogant. You're also forgetting about all your bad edits such as removing valid information from articles. SeaTerror 02:09, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uhm seaterror the forum got kind of confusing to who are you talking down to. Me, Levi or Sheik. (OnePieceNation 02:14, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

Again: How was it arrogant? I'm simply stating the truth, the wiki is messy. Anyone can tell by looking at it. And I wasn't removing valid information, I was removing thing from characters' pages that had ABSOLUTELY nothing do with them. A article should be written and concise, retaining to only its subject.

@OnePieceNation: You are about what you said about most wikis don't have a Manuel of Style, but hadn't ever cross anyone's mind that as One Piece grew, so will it fans and people who want to help improve it, meaning that more users will come here. Every wiki should have a Manuel of Style no matter what to avoid conflicts in the future.-- Ninja Sheik  02:20, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Just to throw something in here, this wiki has actually functioned pretty efficiently without a Manual of Style since I joined. Users learned what was acceptable and what was not through experience and by editing and making mistakes. We have made a lot of "unwritten" laws, and we have never really had a problem with this until now. 02:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps the reason for that is because no one really has real experienced before, was just too lazy or too afraid.-- Ninja Sheik  02:34, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Actually I think that only you in your own fantasy world can see that. You actually were removing valid information. Those scenes still included the characters in question. The details are needed and they are heavily expanded on in the main articles anyway. There you go again with your arrogance. You're the ONLY person who had a problem with this. Wikia's do not need a Manual Of Style if they don't want one. Everything was done in the forums. SeaTerror 02:44, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

uhm, just one question to you before I go to bed ninjasheik have you ever started your own wikia (or adopted a completely abandoned wikia) my guess is the answer is no. You want to know how I know this, well I know this because I have started my own wikia and when you start a wikia, you are only thinking about what does this wikia need to tell about his subject matter and how can it tell it in the best way a manual of style is the uttter last thing that is on your mind. (OnePieceNation 02:56, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

@SeaTerror: But even I rewrote it, you still reverted it. Take example, Kaku's page. Remember that? I'm the one being arrogant here, it is you. Earlier today, when I gave valid reasons on Nami's misc. page, you blatantly ingore me reasoning and just revert without an counterargument. Yata-senpai even told I was right, and I know I was right because gave examples and logic reasons. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has a problem how things are done here. I think everyone's too afraid to speak their opinion because you guys won't listen to anyone but yourselves! Take today for example back on Nami's misc. page! All of you ganged up on me when I was right, and without giving your own reasoning! What you guys do look down on people and scare them into submission. You need to keep an open mind about EVERYTHING, because more users come on the wiki and may have better ideas than your own, but you give them a chance, will you, because you won't take in consideration that anyone else because your pig-headedness.

@OnePieceNation: To answer your question, yes I have taken an a completely abandoned wikia. Two, in fact.-- Ninja Sheik  03:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sheik, would you like to join the chat for a bit. I would like to talk with you in private about something. I hope it won't bother you to join, so please do.

All I see is a empty page. I don't know what's going on. Do you guys have an IRC Channel? I never heard that a wiki has its own special chat on the actual wiki.-- Ninja Sheik  03:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Chat

http://onepiece.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Chat&useskin=wikia SeaTerror 03:50, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I couldn't access with the first because I use a different wiki skin.-- Ninja Sheik  04:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's true that we lack some guidelines (well not so true), as Pacifista said it's not anarchy here, the existing pages are the models for the other and every edit is checked by the community. Since we lack guidelines, I'll propose one: do not go off topic in a discussion, this forum is about whenever should user pages be deleted or not, half of the discussion is about how this wiki is lacking guidelines. Everybody don't start an argument with NS, just talk about the topic.

Alright, back to the topic. About deleting user pages and users' talk pages, I'm quite neutral on this. I think the users should be allowed to have a say in deleting their own user pages, because that is optional. I saw people blanking their pages, thus I think people should have the right to decide if they want their page to be deleted.

As for the talk pages, that is quite different. I feel that talk pages should not be deleted, at least, completely fully like NinjaSheik's talk page was. Talk pages is a way to contact the user about something. Without talk pages, it only make it harder to contat them, especially if the topic is important, such as edits. So I feel that the talk pages should not be deleted, particularly if the user is active.

@Ninja, as Levi suggested, Ninja, you could put a redirect to your talk page in Narutopedia or whatever. I think that as long as you edit here, we need a way to contact you about the edits. It's already frustrating for BOTH sides, and having no easy way to contact you only make it harder for us. But whatever, it's your decision. 20:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I have an awesome idea. Let's also delete NinjaSheik's contribution page and create 3 red links. Who's with me? SeaTerror 20:35, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

@Sea Terror: How about you stop being such a jerk and stop attacking me for once? First of all, most of you will probably never contact me. I don't want you guys to contact me about anything, because, really, all you guys do is gang up on me and tell me how wrong I am when I know I'm right. I think it should be in the user's choice whether or not they want to delete their user/talk page or not. I never plan, not once since I started editing because a couple of guys asked me to when I was editing at anon, to contact. All you ever do is fight with me over every SINGLE edit I make, and can be solve by going to the discussion page. My page had no importance relating to wiki business whatsoever.

And by the way, contribution page? Really? What for? Because you don't like the edits I make because you know I'm right and you're wrong?-- Ninja Sheik  20:57, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Alright Ninja, I apologize if you felt that I was ganging up on you. That was not my intention. I don't know about the other users, but it is most centainly not my intention to gang up on you and tell you that you are wrong about whatever. I only undid some of your edits because I felt that the previous edits was right.

As for contacting you, I understand that most of the users will probably not contact you. But at least, having a talk page will make things easier if one of us DO want to contact you, about edits or whatever. But if you really don't want to, then fine. It's your decision as I said before. 21:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Even if it wasn't you intention to gang up on me, you still did it because I don't think any of can keep an open mind about anything. You need to think logically, take in what I'm trying to say without jumping the gun. Look at the edit, digest it, and then decide whether or not if it was right or not, but do with fair and justified reasoning, which apparently you guys don't have. Because with the whole Nami's Misc. page issue happened, you just clearly demonstrated to me that you guys obviously have no sense of justice. You just reverted my edits without giving a explanation for it, even though I was right. You jump the gun without taking in what I was trying to say.-- Ninja Sheik  21:48, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sheik i will only say this if everybody is against you its because you are probably the one who is in the wrong and dont accept it. User:X-RAPTOR 21:58, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Also its called peoples opinions not ganging up on you so grow up or leave this wiki since you asked to have your user page deleted. User:X-RAPTOR 21:59, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

"how wrong I am when I know I'm right." http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1956/98634165.jpg Also apparently you don't get sarcasm. No user or talk pages should be deleted. Especially not talk pages. I would have linked you to this forum if I could have. SeaTerror 22:00, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

How will you know that, though? Have you seen the edits on the pages all fought over? The messages? If you did, then explain to me how I'm wrong.-- Ninja Sheik  22:00, April 21, 2012 (UTC)