Talk:Shimotsuki Ryuma

While its here...
'''The Ryuuma of this earlier work was a samurai who resembled Zoro and the main protagonist of the one-shot comic. '''

I kinda like how this has been written. However I don't think we should go into any futher then this on the whole Ryuuma and Zoro. I have arguments from time to time on wikipedia over this. Basically artist redraw old characters time and time again... So noting similarities without the author ever mentioning it is rather stupid. (E.g. DB - half the characters are redraws of older characters). If Oda say "btw I redraw Zoro based on X character" we can write it down. But for now - I just like how this page is written. MF, you certainly do better then I could!One-Winged Hawk 22:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Monster
So everything and everyone in monsters in now part of OP's storyline have I understood that correctly from the last SBS set. I do apologise, I've just done three days straight of lack of sleep and last night I got my first decent rest. Trying to catch up with things... :/

But if it is, I guess we make articles for everyone and everything in Monsters now... One-Winged Hawk 13:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Wanted!!
While I understand that not all Wanted!! One-shot stories are not the part of One Piece but I believe we should include everything from Wanted!!, the characters; the locations, items, creatures and many more since Wanted!! was created by the same man who created this series so we should introduce Mr. Oda's earlier works.

Joekido 19:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm... The only downside to this is that we're a One Piece Encyclopedia, not a "ODa's Works" site. I agree with Monsters cause it now apparently part of OP's storyline. Mentioning the other strips is just fine. But characters, besides Monster's, that I'm not sure about. One-Winged Hawk

22:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Were not like a Star Trek Wiki where Gene Roddensberry did other project then Star Trek such as Andromeda or Earth 9 but that Wikia does not talk about them. However in the Muppet Wiki, not only was that site's about the puppets Jim Henson created, they also gave a page of one of his project that are not related to the Muppets such as Time Piece. True this is One Piece Wikia but it does not hurt to give a page to other of Oda's works.

Joekido 23:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess we can kinda have Monsters related articles since it's confirmed to be part of One Piece. However for the other Wanted! short stories, it might be a good idea to just place them on a single article called Wanted! since three of them don't seem to be connected closely to One Piece like Monsters and Romance Dawn. The Wanted! short story with Gill appears to use a different monetary system than Belli, Ikkiyako has apparently real deities, and the Death Note-like short story is set completely in a different time period and place, most likely modern day Tokyo. If Oda decides to integrate them into One Piece like Monsters then they could have more than one article. However until then, it's best to place them together in one page.Mugiwara Franky 08:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought we already had a page for Monsters, just like on wikipedia... :/

Apparently I was wrong. I must admit, I know little about it. Can someone make a "Monsters" page... I would like to add it to the story template, I'm adding Romance Dawn to it anyway. One-Winged Hawk 00:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

special flesh
where exactly was it stated he had special flesh?

Epithet
Isn't the epithet of Ryuma just "king" and not "the king"?

Surname
Vivre Card describes Ryuma as 霜月リューマ (Shimotsuki Ryūma). Does it make him Yasuie's relative and should we change the page name to correspond with his real name? 14:59, July 3, 2019 (UTC)

Vivre Card and Monsters
So the Vivre card info needs to be discussed, and since it's Ryuma's card, I think this is the best place to do this instead of separating the discussions:


 * 1) Ryuma is said to have acquired Shusui before cutting the dragon, so his sword from monsters is defiantly the same.
 * 2) The dragon was said to appear above Flower Capital, so the character from the one shot should be added to the Wano Country templates (gallery and navbox).
 * 3) The "Monsters" and Wano Country pages needs updating with location and first appearance.
 * 4) The events of Monsters should be added to Wano history section.
 * 5) Dragons should be moved to be from Wano in the Animal Species pages.

Either that or Monsters aren't canon, and a different Ryuma cut down a different dragon, and we need to make Ryuma (Wano) and Ryuma (Monsters) separate pages. Rhavkin (talk) 14:45, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Oda said in SBS 47 that he was the same Ryuma, so two pages aren't necessary.Aguacate (talk) 15:34, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

The vivre card never said that Monsters took place in Wano. SeaTerror (talk) 17:09, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

The third entry in the history section: ワノ国都の空に現れた竜を斬り捨てる

translated to: Killed the dragon that appear in the sky above Wano's capital.


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Rhavkin (talk) 20:51, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

I also want to point out that his last name was revealed to be 霜月 Shimotsuki, which just so happens to be the name of Shimotsuki Village (Oda throwing hints out). But can someone rename the infoboxes and stuff to reflect his last name.--Nightmare Pirates (talk) 23:12, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Yes. It says "killed the dragon" not killed the dragon from Monsters in Wano. SeaTerror (talk) 23:38, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Unless him slaying the dragon in Wano unquestionably contradicts the plot of Monsters, I do not think it wise for the default assumption to be that he killed two dragons. So unless there is proof that there is no way that the setting of the dragon slaying was Wano, I believe the accounts of the dragon slaying are all canon and refer to one event.

Also, I do not believe we should commit to Shimotsuki being Ryuma's last name quite yet, given that his main Vivre Card name is just Ryuma (in contrast to Charlotte Lola). Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:29, July 15, 2019 (UTC)


 * I just read Monsters and I don't see anything that strongly indicates it's not in Wano. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:47, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Stating that it is the same dragon and took place in Wano is the literal definition of speculation. SeaTerror (talk) 00:57, July 15, 2019 (UTC)


 * Monsters comes out showing Ryuma slayed a dragon
 * Manga says Ryuma slayed a dragon
 * Oda confirms that this is the same continuity
 * Vivre Card states that Ryuma's slaying of a dragon occurred in Wano's capital

Unless there is proof that Monsters did not take place in Wano, then the dragon slaying mentioned in Vivre Card is completely congruous with previous events. Since we only have one recorded instance of Ryuma slaying a dragon, saying that Vivre Card's history is separate from Monsters without proof is actually speculation. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 01:19, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't say the dragon mentioned in the Vivre Card is the same as the dragon in Monsters. That's your speculation. SeaTerror (talk) 01:24, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Vivre Card says that the CP9 agents grew up on Guanhao. By your logic, since this island was not named in the manga, it is speculation to say that the island we saw in the manga was Guanhao. So if it says Ryuma slayed a dragon in Wano, and Monsters' setting is never named and does not indicate that it is not the same location as Wano, I see no reason why we would not logically put two and two together like we did with Guanhao, unless you can prove that the location of Monsters is not Wano. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:00, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Neither can be proven which is why it's speculation to state it as fact. SeaTerror (talk) 18:37, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

So you oppose Guanhao too? I'm sorry, but that's just completely ridiculous and detrimental to any logical processing of information. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:42, July 15, 2019 (UTC)