Forum:Manga as Default on a Switch Template

Why an adaptation image shouldn't be shown as default
It seems to me that this wikia has taken a strong liking to One Piece's adaptation, and has thus made it so that the images from that adaptation is being shown as default instead of the actual One Piece images. This has been a normal thing for quite some time, and I've been wondering why that is.

Just recently I came back to this wiki after not being caught up to One Piece for a while, and this is one of the issues I've been wanting to fix. So why didn't I fix this earlier, you may ask. Well, maybe it's because this wiki is so rooted in the belief that the adaptation, without hesitation, should be considered the superior and default choice, that changing one of the major templates proving that point would be incredibly difficult.

But it's just common sense, isn't it? An adaptation is still an adaptation. It's not the original content, and it's never going to be superior in any way, so why should it be default? Because colour? That's like saying that Aragon from the Lord of the Rings movies should be shown as default on a wikia instead of J.R.R.'s actual paintings because it's a real person. The added elements do not matter one bit.

I want to hear your logic of why the adaptation should be the preferred choice. Let's put this Anime vs. Manga war behind us.

Agreed 100%. The manga should be the default, as the source material is manga. Shouldn't matter to people since the anime option is still there, but the anime image should not be the first to show up, purely since it is an adaptation. Mr. Whatever (talk) 16:16, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

When a discussion affects multiple articles, a forum should be used, never a talk page for a single article or template. Move it before I post. 19:10, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Agree with Sewil. I know a lot of the more experienced editors on this wiki prefer adding a bit of color to the articles but at the very least, the default image that loads for the portraits should be the manga image. More often than not, the anime has quite poor art compared to the manga so why some insist on that being front and center is beyond me. We should consider the quality of the art before we consider whether we should add the color. Idontknowwhatimdoing (talk) 23:50, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

I'll tell you exactly why we prefer anime as the default: We have more options there. Anime as a moving form gives us the freedom to grab an image with a favorable pose. Let's look at Nami. Pre-skip, she's got two great images for both anime and manga. But post-skip? Absolutely not. Her Manga picture is far inferior to her Anime image. The manga never gave Nami a decent, recognizable pose that makes it easy to identify all of her features, where the anime took the time (or fanservice) to do just that. Let's look at Brook for another example: His Pre-TS anime is probably the single best infobox image on the wiki. It's got a perfect pose with no distortions of his features and very high art quality, and it's got color too. But let's look as his post-skip manga image, which would be the default if we went with your proposed plan: This. Compared to the other it's awful for recognizing him. First off he's sitting so you can't see his height or body structure, then Oda's drawn him with his mouth open to a cartoonish level, and on top of that, we see more of a guitar than his outfit. Some images aren't suitable to be the default no matter what the source is. What you should be proposing instead of an anti-Toei rejectionist policy where anime images are lesser beings, you should be proposing that we are able to choose which image is the default based on which image is best for easy identification of the character's features in the most complete way possible. But you aren't proposing that compromise, just the opposite of the situation we have now.

And color is an extremely important part of being able to identify characters when you are unfamiliar with the series, which many of are readers are. When I look at an image, I don't look at how many lines were used to draw the nose, but rather if it can give me a complete image of the character. That applies to both sources, not just anime or manga. Art quality is important, but there are situations where it needs to be sacrificed, much like any other trait. In a perfect world, we'd have perfect images. But guess what? Toei's art isn't perfect and neither is Oda's. 00:23, September 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * TL;DR/other point: We're a wiki first, and a fansite second. Our dedication to what is "actually One Piece" comes in SECOND to our dedication to being a wiki. Our main concern should be what we are displaying to the reader, not taking everything Oda does as religion and shitting on Toei all the time. 00:31, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Might as well. My only qualm is that color pictures are more visually appealing than black and white. With a lot of characters, this isn't be a problem, but with most of the characters, they don't appear in color anywhere so the first image to greet the eyes on those pages will just be plain black and white. By making anime the default, at least we can always have the image that basically represents a page be in color. It just makes a better first impression. But even I can tell I'm being OCD about it, so yeah. I'm not against it, but I'm not crazy about it. 00:33, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

I totally agree with JSD. Some of the more minor characters (e.g Meadows) have absolutely horrendous manga infobox pics, because there's just no options to choose from in the manga. Color is also very important. 15:05, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

You seem to think that just because the adaptation isn't the default that would automatically mean all the manga images are better. This is not the case. I'm saying the original source material should be shown first, and the adaptation second. Sure, the anime has got some better angles and sometimes colour adds with the detail, but it doesn't matter. We need to stay consistent. The manga images it the first to be put up, and it stays as the default. The adaptation shouldn't replace it, but merely add to it. What we should strive for instead is getting the best images we can get from the manga.

For example, I don't think we should pick horribly angled pictures from the manga just because they're in colour. That Brook manga infobox picture is horrible, and there are several good shots of him not in colour. What's with your obsession with colour? Saying it is extremely important for unfamiliar readers makes no sense. One Piece is in black-and-white and always has been. We shouldn't sacrifice a good shot with a horrible one for some colour.

So basically, you're admitting that anime images are often more suitable, yet we can't use them as default just because it's an adaptation? That's totally ignoring the purpose of the infobox images. This is not the One Piece Manga Wiki, this is the One Piece Wiki. I don't have an obsession with color; You said it yourself: It adds detail. It's funny how you haven't provided a single argument as to why the more suitable adaptation images shouldn't be shown as default, besides "it's an adaptation". 11:50, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, this is the One Piece Wiki, where the manga (which is One Piece, while the anime is just an adaption of One Piece) is apparently second to the anime because of color (and color doesn't mean anything when most of the time the colors are lifeless and disgusting. This wiki uses the manga first when it comes to information (non-canon anime content is pointed out as non-canon by a template, meaning we do prioritize the manga first in that regard). Some of the anime colors even contradict the canon colors given by Oda (Doflamingo's original outfit, Robin's eye color, the color of Wiper's tattoos, Cabaji's coat color, and many many more). It's best to have the anime as second because of this, since it's a massive contradiction to display it first when it's outright wrong, or of much lesser detail than the manga (...which is almost always the case).

Yes, there are outliers like Meadows' infobox... but the anime option is still there for those that wish to see it. The anime option isn't going anywhere, it just wouldn't be the default anymore. Mr. Whatever (talk) 16:41, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

You just posted a list of nonissues. The color differences were usually minor. Your original argument for Law's infobox portrait was "blue hair" which was another nonissue. SeaTerror (talk) 16:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

That's a legitimate thing to say actually, as Law's hair is blue. That's the canon color, so we're using it as his portrait. Mr. Whatever (talk) 16:53, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Actually it wasn't. Oda changed it to black which is the portrait we are actually using. Also it wasn't legitimate it was just you looking for something to bitch about. SeaTerror (talk) 16:57, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Good job ignoring all arguments besides color, Gal. The Meadows stuff isn't uncommon, you know. It gives a terrible first impression to anyone visiting the page. And "One Piece" is a franchise that includes the manga and the anime. 17:04, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Kage has a point. We want to give visitors the best first impression possible, so using the anime, whose quality is more refined than the manga, would be the better choice. And Gal, by your arguing, we should get rid of all anime images since they're not true representations, which is stupid. The anime pics, over all, have better aesthetics to them, which will make people like visiting the pages more. It's fine to be a purist, but not when it's changing what already works. 17:13, September 10, 2014 (UTC)