Talk:Pekoms

Move
Why was it moved to Pecoms? Isn't Bocoms the better translation? 21:59, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

...and why "Mr." is part of the name too? It's a different case then the BW agents, which used codenames, this is a name so Mr. is a title.

Could someone like JOPF figure this out?

Etymology
Does the name Pecoms derive from "pecan"? Because the other members of the Big Mom Pirates all have their names derived from food or dessert (Charlotte is a dessert, Tamago means egg, and Bobbin as in bobbing for apples). The naming scheme should allow us to derive Pecoms' name (assuming Pecoms is the right translation, it might even be something closer to pecan). 20:24, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Charlotte is also a common female name. You're definitely pushing it with the Bobbin one. SeaTerror 20:30, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

It's possible. The only other translation of it that I know is the one from the chapter before he was introduced, Bocoms. Though Bocoms doesn't sound like any food I can think of. 20:33, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * @SeaTerror: I also said Tamago means egg, which can be a base ingredient for cakes and other dessert, and itself is a food.
 * @DancePowderer: Yeah, but Bocoms does seem to be a mistranslation indeed. Just wanna ask if Pecoms is pecan derivative (and as in pecan pie, for the dessert theme). 20:37, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think it comes from pekopeko, which means very hungry in Japanese. He said he was pekopeko in his first appearance. --Klobis 03:28, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's interesting. Thanks. So, trivia worthy, in terms of a food/dessert-based theme for the crew? 04:02, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say so. 04:09, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Pecoms able to destroy islands
Say, isn't this speculation:

''He is responsible for collecting candy payments, like many other members of the crew and can destroy islands if they do not keep up their payments. He is seen carrying a sword, which he is presumably competent in using.''

It wasn't stated that Pekoms and Tamago can destroy islands, only that Big Mum would send her "beasts" if an island doesn't pay. The way I understand it, this doesn't necessarily mean that every collector is one of her feared fighters and that Pekoms and Tamago could be simply the Rockstar of BM's crew.

In any case I think we should reword or remove that paragraph. 16:24, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, its wrong. Big Mom does that. She goes crazy and destroy islands. Tamago and Pecomes only collect the month's payment of the islands..

In the recent chapter, it shows hes a df user worth 330,000,00 milllion beri. He doesn't destroy islands. He is a messenger. However he is probably pretty strong given the recent chapter. He weilds an unknown "turtle" zoan df capable of deflecting bullets. And its safe to say he has CoA as well since he hit and clocked logia user Caribou with a single punch 65.9.20.178 15:36, January 11, 2012 (UTC) Fan

Bad eyesight
judging from his miss reading 200 million as 2 billion, is it safe to say that h has bad eyesight? and if so where on his article do we put it?85.164.61.216 16:24, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

No, that could just be a translation error. Check the raw if you want to be sure, though. 16:25, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

It could also be a mess up from Oda, since he would be completely shocked that a pirate has a bounty almost 10 times bigger than his!

Actually he has a point due to Pecoms tiny eyes maybe he really does have bad eyesight and that enables him to read Caribou's bounty instead of us assuming its a translator error or a oda screw up. 17:07, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

It was a translation error. Mangastream fixed it http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/48504148/11. It says million now. 17:10, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Legendary Zoan?
He seems to be baised around the chinese turtle lion statues, and since really the only animals who talk are a result of humans takeing zoan devil fruit, his lion and turtle body would most likely be from a zoan. so perhaps he's a legendary zoan baised off chinese mythology?173.238.172.212 18:20, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

We dont know yet. Only that is a Zoan. Maybe its a normal turtle.

Pekoms simply transformed into his hybrid state, keeping his tail. In order for your idea to work he would have to be able to transform completely into both a lion and turtle, which would be two abilities. He is simply a lion who can transform into a turtle. 19:38, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

No idea of the nature of his fruit but the Big Mom crew seems to be Alice in Wonderland inspired, Pekoms is likely based on the mock turtle character which would explain his blend of animal characteristics. There is no chinese lion-turtle myth as far as I'm aware. Avatar:The last airbender made them up like every other animal they depict on the show e.g. their aardvark sloth. Somebody then mistook some tortoises in the forbidden city that had teeth for lion-turtles and chucked it in the avatar wiki trivia section. A cursory glance at pictures of the statues show that the heads bear no resemblance to the traditional chinese dipiction of a lion and that they infact have fins on them. Still speculative until Oda releases his source of inspiration but if your going to chuck in a "may be based" on sentence in the trivia though go with Mock turtle. Also note I'm saying the crew is likely inspired by not copied character by character in every single detail don't confuse the two. 130.216.129.14 20:27, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you make an account? You seem like a good addition to the regular editors. 20:48, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

The legendary creature which seems this character is based on is the Tarasque. Is it to early to add this as external link? Also for what we have seen is a lion who transformed in an turtle-hybrid, if he can transform (return) to a normal human, then we can talk about mythical zoan and such, but now are speculations.

Interesting find! I would certainly add it to the trivia. Tho maybe not hinting at Pekoms being a mythical zoan user, as you said. 15:03, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course! That was a warning before someone starts thinking that... My opinion is that he is a lion who can transform in a turtle through a Zoan DF, though this make wonder what the hell he is... like Bepo, he is a talking animal who doesn't fit any race we know (could it be a Minkmen?). Anyway I was in fact asking to add a trivia/external link like "Pekoms resemble a Tarasque".

If he was originally a lion then the only logical thing that makes sense is that he hate something similar to the Hito Hito no Mi. Maybe that particular class of Devil Fruit gives the ability for animals to talk if they eat it. SeaTerror 18:10, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure he is a Minkman. If he was people would recognize him as such, wouldn't they? Same with Bepo. (<especially since Bepo showed up at the human auction house where they SELL minkmen.)

About the trivia, how about: The combination of lion and turtle in the character concept may be inspired by the "Tarasque" or something along those lines. 18:18, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

There's already one bit of trivia about the lion tortoise reference, so just add it on to there. For now, Pekoms is simply a lion who can transform into a turtle. Any Mythical Zoan ideas are speculation. 18:33, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry guys I didn't intend to add anything related his species or some kind of mythical DF, the rest were just my digressions.

Turtle Or Tortoise?
In the recent Chapter, I noticed that Caribou mentioned that Peckoms' Devil Fruit is an ability to turn into a turtle. However, editors these days claimed that it was a tortoise. If you check the dictionary, you can see that the turtle is an informal way to address a reptile with a hard back, including a tortoise. So, my question is, Should we put it as Tortoise, Or remain as a Turtle? Evanalmighty 09:37, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Turtle.......... Turtle...

Does it really matter? SeaTerror 18:31, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Apparently it does. It would have to be tortoise. Why transform into an animal that lives in the water if he can't swim? 04:16, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Note that a turtle is an informal way to address a tortoise.... Evanalmighty 04:20, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

No, actually. Turtles and Tortoises are a bit different. Turtles live in the water, and tortoises live in land. It's commonly misconcepted, but turtles do indeed live underwater. Don't be fooled, because the true name of them are "Teenage Mutant Ninja Tortoises".  le Nada  Troll  04:59, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

You linked TMNT to this page??? Evanalmighty 05:00, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think he is a turtle with a lion devil fruit188.108.105.138 13:38, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Mink?
I know this is pretty much gonna be "it's obvious" things, but isn't calling him a Mink at this point still being rather speculative? 15:14, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

This is also discussed here, but let me ask: how do you decide when something is speculative? If we saw now a fishman, without being explicitly told so, will you consider stating it's a fishman speculative? In my opinion, now that we saw what the minks looks like, everytime we see a humanoid animal it's pretty much straight-forward to say they are minks.

In all likelihood, he probably is a Mink. But still, shouldn't we avoid speculation? It might not be straightfoward to say Pekoms is a "Mink" because there could be another tribe of talking animal like creatures out there. Mhj0808 (talk) 15:36, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

No, there isn't another tribe like that until that shows up. Please, if we take that logic, we should doubt everything. Like if we see a person with marines clothes, we cannot say it's a marine without an explicit proof because there may be another group who dress the same. Or likewise we cannot say that every single citizen of fishmen island is fishmen, but those who were explicitly described as so, because they may be talking animals like Pappug or DF users. That logic is not gonna work and it will only create stalemates. The reason before it was speculation to say he was a mink was simply that we did not know what a mink was like and neither Pekoms nor Bepo were introduced as minks. Now that we do know how they look like, Pekoms fits in the description and there are no other plausible explanation therefore he is a mink. Guys, Occam's razor please.

It's completely speculative. He could be a Zoan DF eater. --Mandon (talk) 17:45, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Chopper is a humanoid animal. SeaTerror (talk) 17:56, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Are you guys serious? Pekoms ALREADY ATE a zoan DF, one that turns him in a turtle, therefore he cannot be a "humanoid animal" for that. Don't make things up plz.

I get your point, but it's still a bit nifty imo. If there are more supporters then I'd go for it, but I'd prefer the "we don't know how things are" stance. 19:47, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

If a fishman would show up now, you won't say that. If you see someone with two joints in his arm, you wouldn't doubt it's a longarm tribe and so on for every other race. We know for a fact he cannot be a talking animal due to a DF and that pretty much rules out every other possibilities.

Keep this on the Mink Tribe talk page. 20:51, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Status
Any logical reason why we're not listing him as deceased? He's a devil fruit user who fell into shark infested water while being restrained after being shot. It doesn't get more deceased than that. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 08:18, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Pell SeaTerror (talk) 08:21, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Taking a bomb point blank is a survivable feat in Onepiece, as demonstrated by Mr 5's bomb victims. A DF user drowning without assistance on the other hand is not. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 08:39, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hate to agree with ST, but Jack. Basically, until we see a body or a confirmation of death (excluding Firetank Pirates saying it to someone) it's Unknown. Rhavkin (talk) 09:40, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Unless he was shown dead or confirmed dead, then no. Also, we still have the entire rest of the arc, so also no. 11:49, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Pekomamushi
Do we need to add Luffy's saying of Pekomamushi somewhere? Meshack (talk) 00:46, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

It's a running gag to have Luffy mess up everyone's names, so no. 07:52, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

I know but it's worth mentioning Meshack (talk) 13:27, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Would it not fit in their relationship section? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 06:18, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

I really don't think it's worth mentioning. 08:25, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

How is it not? We mention Zoro's running gag Meshack (talk) 13:14, November 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * Zoro's running gag with his name lasts story arcs, Luffys tend to last only one or two. One-Winged Hawk (talk) 22:26, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Neither Cavendish nor Barto have the nicknames Luffy gave them, besides, it's just too insignificant to have every nickname people have for them. 17:40, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

And what are the conditions for a nickname to be considered significant? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:20, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Just let him include it if he wants. It's not a big deal. It can go in the relationship section. 18:54, November 22, 2016 (UTC)