Forum:Raw and scan images policy: vote

It's about time to start the voting process for the raw and scan images policy. This forum is the continuation of the topic of Forum:RAW Japanese Manga Images, so if you don't know what are we talking about read it before voting.

Note: ''The issue of choosing between raw and scans is present only when there is text in the image. Watermarked images are not accepted in any case, since they violated our image guidelines and the scanlation groups' terms of use (like mangastream).''

Poll
The restrictions for voting are, unless the community says otherwise, min 300 edits and 3 month on the wiki. The restriction are only for voting, not for the discussion.

The poll will last two weeks, so it will end at the 00:00 am of the 28th July. (if you want to change the duration discuss it).

1. Allowing the use of scanlation images with fan-made English text? (without blank out the speech bubbles)
 * Yes. Examples:


 * 1) SeaTerror 08:49, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, remove the text added by the scanlation group. (except special cases) Examples:


 * 23:07, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 23:34, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Klobis 00:01, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) 海賊-姫 00:30, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 00:52, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) --//excatly what I wanted ...
 * 16:23, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) -- 18:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * 16:23, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) -- 18:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Neutral.

2. Order of preference between images (raws/scans):
 * When a good scan is available, there is no need to upload the raw one. Examples:


 * 23:07, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 00:52, July 14, 2011 (UTC) The raw's are somewhat distracting, you instinctively try to decipher them (but obviously can't unless you understand japanese).
 * 1) SeaTerror 08:49, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) SeaTerror 08:49, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * When a good raw is available, update the scan image with the raw one. Examples:


 * 23:34, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Klobis 00:01, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) 海賊-姫 00:30, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) 海賊-姫 00:30, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Choose the raw over the scan regardless the quality. Examples:


 * 1)  16:23, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

The scan: The raw: The scan: The raw:
 * Other comparison between raw/scans:


 * Neutral.
 * 1) -- 18:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

2.1 For chapter covers:
 * Use always the scans. Examples:




 * Until the raw cover will be out, use the scan cover.


 * There is no need to upload the cover, wait for the raw. (usually a few days at maximum) Examples:


 * 23:07, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 23:34, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Klobis 00:01, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) 海賊-姫 00:30, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 00:52, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 16:23, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) -- 18:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * 16:23, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) -- 18:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) -- 18:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Neutral.

If you have other suggestion about other examples or other options write them down in the discussion.

Discussion
I can clean the bad quality images, if necessary, so tell me which files need to be cleaned.

About the raw/scan, I don't see the point of using the scans (except for the special cases), since the pictures are meant to show the art or a subject, if you want read the text you go to a online manga reader, also in the caption or in the test is described what happens in the picture. Remember that this is an encyclopedia. But this is only about the fan text, not the picture itself, which is ok.

If anything, should we use the anime pictures at all times when it becomes available? An example: this one over this one, so that we won't have to fight over using RAW or scanlation if anime can solve the dilemma? 03:04, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

There is always a point to using scans even the ones that are blanked out. There is no point in using RAWs. Did any of you ever read the other discussion fully? Also I didn't vote for the last poll because "wait the raw" makes no sense. SeaTerror 08:51, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

For the anime vs manga, I think it's another topic, when there are anime version available, usually we use them. For the last poll what makes no sense? Then vote for the second option... I don't understand, is there something wrong with the poll? And I don't get what's the main point of using the scan blanked out, I mean, it's because you find the text "distracting"? Because between two images with the same quality, since you will not understand them anyway, it's better have the text that don't have it, also they can be use as evidence for romanization and such (without reupload them). I'm talking about this kind of cases:

The scan: The raw: Why you prefer the blanked out one? Ah... is it ok the "two week" time for the poll?

I meant it doesn't make sense grammatically. Eliminated text completely is the best way to go except for when that isn't possible such as writing in the background. SeaTerror 17:00, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I can't follow you... I asked what makes no sense for the cover poll... and what does it mean "it doesn't make sense grammatically"? Can you explain it better, also the part about eliminating the text? Sorry for being dumb...


 * Why this forum is ignored?...
 * 3 more days:)
 * 3 more days:)

I just noticed, but the poll already ended at 00:00... I though there would have been more users voting...