Talk:Z

Rank
Where does it say Z was an Admiral?99.192.69.191 12:46, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

7月11日放送のめざましテレビで、アニメONE PIECEの映画最新作 『ONE PIECE　FILM Z(ワンピース フィルム ゼット)』の 映像が初公開された！ ルフィたちの今回の敵である 元海軍大将 Zも 今まで後ろ姿しか公開されていなかったが、 この映像で初公開となった！ (Source)


 * The kanji in bold mean 'former Marine admiral'. Zodiaque (talk) 14:56, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh thanks99.192.64.26 13:16, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox image
I don't know much about images on this site, but why is the infobox image so squished? It's fine when you click on it... JustSomeDude... 21:44, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

And now? Is it squished? 21:49, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Looks fine now. JustSomeDude... 00:53, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Real Name and Type of Haki Used
According to the latest trailer, it is shown that Z is a Bososhoku Haki user.

According to the latest scans, where a part of it was translated by Aohige and sandman (the member who watched the premiere of Film Z) of Arlong Park Forums, Z's real name is ゼファー, or Zephyr/Zephr, but according to Aohige, Zephyr is used more commonly.

I'll be adding the new information to the page and in the edit description, I will ask people to read the talkpage.- Racht 20:35, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Deceased?
At the risk of spoiler alert, deceased? 01:20, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

The movie is out. Isn't this type of information fair game? 01:20, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Really? Haven't seen it... it's just theater-released, when's DVD? Once again, at the risk of a spoiler, can someone give me a briefing on how he died? 01:26, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Movie just came out today in Japan. No dvd or subs for awhile.

Kizaru shoots him with Yasakani no Magatama multiple times and it kills him. 01:33, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Canonicity of Zephyr
I would like to argue that Zephyr is indeed a canon character. For the record, I am not arguing Film Z's canonicity.

1. In depicted all the Marines we have seen in the manga so far, and then some. All the Marines in the image appear to be their younger counterparts. If you look closer, you will see Ain and Bins, characters who appear in Film Z. '''Why would Oda add these two in a collage of canon Marines? Why not Oda draw them alongside Z in their Neo Marine attire?''' This leads me to believe that Ain and Bins are canon, and by extension, Zephyr himself.

2. Like Volume 0 was released to moviegoers of One Piece Film Strong World, so was Volume Z released to moviegoers of Film Z. Unfortunately, Volume Z does not contain a special chapter like Volume 0 did. However, the book does contain a timeline of information and sketches called Chronicle of Z. In this timeline, there are sketches of Zephyr throughout his life, from when he was a young boy to when he was a Marine Admiral and more. Along with sketches there is information of what he did at a particular age. The book not only contains information on Zephyr, but on other Marines as well. Canon Marines such as Kuzan, Borsalino, and Sakazuki. For example the book shares information on how old each of these future Admirals were when they joined the Marines. There are also sketches of them at those particular ages. You can also find sketches of Sengoku, Garp, and Tsuru when they were young Marines. Heck, we even find out that the pirate who cut off Zephyr's arm becomes a Shichibukai during the timeskip of the manga! (Doubtful it is Trafalagar Law because he would have been too young; most likely it is a brand new character we will be seeing in the future :O) All this information and sketches are laced inside this timeline of Zephyr's life because these various characters were affected by Zephyr. From what we can tell, The Life of Z IS the "special chapter" without the dialogue and action. This also leads me to believe Zephyr is canon.

2.5. There was some color pamphlet that was given out as well depicting colored images of Zephyr throughout his life.

Basically, Oda drew and provided information in the cover spread of Chapter 691 and Volume Z. With these two major points, I have no doubt in my mind that Zephyr is canon. -  Racht 02:13, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Seems legit to me. 02:20, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The character of Z is definitely canon, along with Ain and Bins. 02:21, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Then can I remove all the "non-canon" stuff? 05:33, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. 05:34, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not really convinced by that... if we agree that film 12 is non-canon then I think all the neo-marines should be non-canon as well, otherwise the Neo Marines should exist in the manga One Piece World too, but all Neo Marines story is developed in the film, which cannot be placed in the manga storyline. You can say that the Neo Marines exist in the manga One Piece world but never appeared, but that's a bit contradictory because the Neo Marines were crushed (I think, didn't see the movie yet :P) by the straw hats. I don't doubt any information on any canon characters, and if you are wondering why Oda did provide so much canon informations in a filler movie that's simply a promotional campaign and also to bond the movie characters with the canon characters, but all filler arcs are like that! And about chapter 691, there is a good reason why Oda depicted Z, Ain and Bins: advertisement. Plus are you all forgetting the fact that ALL movie characters were drawn by Oda?

Levi: Just like with Shiki, Oda provided a lot of information about Z in Volume Z. While the events of Strong World are not canon, and while the events of Z probably aren't canon, the characters within them are. 15:26, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Last time I checked the events of strong world were canon, where do we decided they weren't? And again... providing information means nothing... he supervises the film, of course he provides informations but if the movie itself cannot be placed in the manga storyline it's still filler, the only difference is that's wasn't (at least not totally) made up by the anime staff. In strong world case, the events of the movie could be placed in the storyline, and the manga itself had references to Shiki, while it's not the case for this movie and Z. I know that here we are talking about Z and not the movie itslef, but isn't that a contradiction? I mean, how can you consider canon a character but not canon all his history? It's either both or none of them.


 * For example, Chameleone is a character totally made up by Oda, but he still isn't canon since he is not placed in the manga storyline.

The events of strong world being canon were voted in by 5 people, but recently it's been challenged by many. Strong World cannot fit into the storyline, due to the plot holes of Zoro's injury and Brook's first fight with the SHs being against Duval.

As for the Z case, the manga does have references to the Z characters, as shown in the 691 color spread, but if that's not enough for you, a whole volume was dedicated to the characters, so that should be sufficient enough. 16:00, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

As for Chameleone, it's still possible he could be placed in the manga storyline, but if not, he was just like Gasparde or any of the other characters Oda just designed. 16:01, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Then why Z cannot be as any other characters Oda just designed? Chapter 691 colour spread is pure commercial... it's clearly written "One Piece Film: Z", and with this I'm not saying that the "informations" (appearance of the characters) on it are not to be taken as canon, simply that Z, Ain and Bins are not part of the manga storyline because of that. Volume 1000 it's just another commercial volume, not a databook. Yes it may have other canon informations about other characters, but is still is purely about the past of the neo marines isn't it? I think you guys are being mislead by the big advertisement campaign of this movie. Whichever something is canon or not, is decided if it's placed in the manga storyline or not, why is it such a big deal if Z isn't canon? As I said before it's a contradiction to have a canon character which all his history isn't canon...

About Chameleone, actually he proves my point: not matter how much Oda "provide informations" (he himself made him up entirely) if he doesn't put him in the manga storyline, it remains non-canon.

About strong world, I see now the potholes, but it was Oda who wanted Strong World to be part of the manga "One Piece Film 「STRONG　WORLD」 Eichiro Oda Artbook "And as far as something that will hold true for both the comic and the anime, this will be Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year-old."" (I believe this was the reason why strong world is canon).

I just see it as easier to use the same logic as we did with Shiki and his pals. They're canon due to getting that Chapter and the volume. Sure, Shiki himself was in the manga, but not his crew.

Z's history is canon too due to the fact Oda provided the information about his background.

I'm pretty sure I saw that this movie takes place before PH, but has that been confirmed? If not, I'm actually ok with the movie itself being canon.

And about the strong world thing, Oda saying it was his "last adventure" is due to the fact that the movie released right before the post-war arc. There were no adventures after Marineford, so it makes sense that he would say it like that. 18:26, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Shiki was intended to be mentioned in the conversation between Shanks and Whitebeard and Chapter 0 place him in the manga storyline. Z is the same case has Chameleone, he has a background but he wasn't placed in the manga storyline hence is not canon, the special volume is just an omake. And again, Z's history is still not canon since the movie is not-canon as well, hence it's a big contradiction in my opinion. I think that two of them are not alike.

An omake? What. No it isn't. It really doesn't matter what Shiki was intended for, what matters is what actually happened. 18:42, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Why not? Anyway what it matter is what Oda says. But it seems we cannot convince each other, anyway why nobody else is saying anything?