Forum:OnePieceNation

So, OPN, It has come to the current chats attention, which consists of Me, DP, Panda, IH, ST, NWW, Jade and a few others, that your actions have become in excusable and might result in a ban, you have started many edit wars and have insulted many people. Please discuss. OPN we gave you so many chances, couldn't you take one! 00:04, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
I agree with banning OPN. He has insulted many users and it is unacceptable. Also, he get's into to much fights with other users.

Tucky if this is serious, you dissappoint me. So if this is serious, I'd like to reply to you. I haven't started many edit war, I have started in a period of over three months several discussion from which most become arguments however I personally wouldn't call them wars, none of them where as big as the thousand sunny one and most of them have been resolved well all of them have cooled down. Like I told different people I am a person who likes to change things and for that change there needs to be discussion and those will lead in to arguments and in arguments mean and harsh things can be said and have been said however after the argument is done/has cooled down I always go back to the person to explain my side and if need be (and they need has been there quite some times) I apologize for my behavious and freely admit my mistakes. I haven't had as many so called edit wars as several other users (think similar forum). Also I am not that quick actually to insult people, several users on here like to insult people but I am not one of them. To wrap things up I am a person who thinks very logically and I know since I am that way that it will cause conflict however knowing that I also know how to deal with did and I don't stay mad or angry at anything longer then a day, after a nights sleep I am always calm and collected again. And in that state I will go over what I did and act accordingly. Which is to say if I did something wrong I will apologize. PS: Calu when did I insult you.(OnePieceNation 00:23, April 23, 2012 (UTC))
 * TL;DR: I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't have any edit wars and I didn't insult anybody (Editors notice: LOL) Opn tl;dr bot 08:30, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

You have never insulted me, but in blogs I have seen that insulted other users such as THT and MDM.

The prosectution cites your latest blog to defend their point. 00:29, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Please separate the discussion about banning him from the chat and banning him from the wiki, for latter provide some links.

You're the only one who mentioned the chat. SeaTerror 00:37, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Calu, the blogs have a different social setting then the rest of the wikia and in the case of MDM I have extensively apalogized to him and the thing between me and THT is meant only jokingly I call him stupid belgian and he can call me stupid dutchman.

DP, my latest blog is there for two reason A; to get feedback from the community to improve myself and B to jokingly poke fun at the negative things I have been involved in, the whole sections in italics isn't to be taken that seriously.

Everyone else: Please learn that I am not a hostile person I am a very stubborn and way to logical thinking person just like NinjaSheik and ton of other users. However unlike those kind of users I will always realize when I have crossed a line and have gone to far, and after a nights sleep I will always apologize to people I have wronged. The reason I got into for you so many edit wars is because I want to bring some change to this wikia and I'd like to take initiative and yes some of them like totally redoing all the chapter character tables go unnoticed while other like updating the character list go for the most port unnoticed and some like the captainstemplate do get noticed. This fact of wanting to change things will get anyone into trouble and into discussion, arguments and edit wars but that is no reason for banning them. Only people who intentionally mess up the wikia dissirve to be banned. Not people who like me make mistakes because the want to change things and can get to passionate (including to harsh and mean) about a subject.

To wrap things up because I tend to be to lenghty and I am currently working on that issue. I'd like to hereby openly apologize to anyone who might feel misthreated, threated badly, insulted or otherwise feels hurt or attacked by me. Hurting people is at all not my intent. So to everyone I say sorry for being such a handful and stubborn person. (OnePieceNation 00:50, April 23, 2012 (UTC))
 * TL;DR: I only want to help the wikia, I shouldn't be banned for wanting to change things, I'm trying to learn how to condense information better (Editors notice: Yup that sure is working well) Opn tl;dr bot 08:30, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Here I will list all the instances where he attacked profile pages:

1, 2, 3: Arcticspyder didn't want to have a profile created, but..., 4 (Unconfirmed): Dunno whether he asked for permission, 5, and 6.

After that, I left him a message.

Reply.

7: Even after I warned him, he STILL attacked ST's page.

With this amount of evidences, I agree with OPN being banned.

09:26, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't call that attacking. Edit wars are the worse violation.

09:29, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Evan that isn't attacking all the example you give besides the last one are from before you send me that message all those six times I didn't realize, that what I was doing was wrong, forbidden and unwanted. After that I stopped doing edits on other peoples profile pages,so what amount are you talking about, remember the only one I did after that was on seaterrors page, which I intended to remove as quickly as possible but which I sadly forgot, due to being wrapped up in the user talk and profile/ninjasheik discussion.And yes I am sorry for making forgetting about that, but then again I am only human. (OnePieceNation 21:21, April 23, 2012 (UTC))
 * TL;DR I stopped after you told me to, except on my archenemy because I forgot Opn tl;dr bot 21:47, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Even so, you shouldn't have done that. I honestly don't really cares about my goals, I just want to have fun on the wikia, and help the wikia too. You really should not edit other people's profile, because it's personal, and up to their decision if they want to put anything on it or not, NOT yours. I thought that is common sense. Apparently, it is not. 21:27, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

I understand now that I shouldn't have done it and I apologize for that. But please understand that edit to you wasn't meant to cause harm it only did that to both congratulate you for reaching a 1000 edits and to encourage you to keep going and strife for more. I didn't do that to upset you or make you angry Jade and if I did I am truly sorry about that. (OnePieceNation 21:41, April 23, 2012 (UTC))
 * TL;DR I only did it to make you feel special Opn tl;dr bot 21:47, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

While a do believe that OPN can be rather annoying at times, I don't think it's ban worthy. All he's doing is try and help the wiki, even if it is less than an...admirable fashion. I say give him a little more chances. --    Contr         KOROMO         Talk      05:24, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

^^ I agree. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 01:37, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Bump. We still hadn't reached a decision about this yet. 22:02, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

jade if the forum falls silent the topic has fallen silent meaning it is no longer a point of interest. All other similar forums are the same. (OnePieceNation 22:10, May 12, 2012 (UTC))

Or it means that a decision has not been decided upon. Bumping forums is not uncommon. 22:21, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

but it has been over two weeks already. (OnePieceNation 22:23, May 12, 2012 (UTC))

I say we ban him. 22:30, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

that'is just harsh and unfair of you panda, saying this on an old forum without listing any reasons as to why,and withour realizing that his forum has already served a purpose. Namely bringing it to my attention that several people didn't like several things I was doing and talking those things out with them. (OnePieceNation 22:39, May 12, 2012 (UTC))

Lets just do a poll and get this forums over with =_= .. if these has been difference in OPN's behavior during the span of this forum then the members of the wiki will decided upon their observation of OPN. Just leave it to OP wiki members like we always have .. if before the poll OPN wants to say his piece of mine on how he thinks he has improved after creation on this forum then that will be perfect. If he thinks that he didn't needed to change cause he did nothing wrong in first place then let it be that .. instead of dragging this lets just end it with a poll. Same goes for Tuck's forum .. lets end that one with poll as well >_> .. I think its about time 22:51, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

MDM I get where you are coming from but please take a step back. Because both mine and tuckyd forum have become old news, things where said, things where discussed and then after a while the forum became inactive and that meant things were over. Like I said before this forum has already served a purpose and is no longer needed because I have indeed inproved myself and the threat and warning eminating from this forum has reached me very deeply. There is no need for a poll in my opinion because the issue has been dealt with and is over. All that needs to happen is closing not just tuckyd's and mine user ban forums but also all other user ban forums, because none of them are active anymore.(OnePieceNation 23:10, May 12, 2012 (UTC))

I bumped the forum because some of the users on the chat feel this need to be bumped, and this need to be resolved. A forum that had not been replied do NOT mean it is resolved unless it is archived. Last I checked, this is not archived yet. We really should resolve issues that are not resolved yet, or it'll look like we are slacking off.

I say we ban OPN. Though not forever. A few weeks, a few month, whatever. But not forever. You want the reason? Fine, here's some: you started some edit wars, insulted a lot of users here, "vandalized" some of user pages, and continued to do so, even when you was warned. Yes, I consider these edits you made on other people's profile pages vandalism. DP is right, we should not be afraid to ban users. 23:35, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

First off when did I do any of that in the last two weeks, secondly this forum is the best warning anyone can get, thirdly yes I started several edit wars however after going over them I found out that most of them like 98 % where between me and seaterror since he had the urge (several weeks ago) to remove massive amounts of trivia including perfect solid trivia and that caused for a big increase in edit wars that I was part of. I mostly called people stupid, baka, fool or idiot I have only really insulted people on three occassion and I have always apologized for that to the both of them (dp two times and mdm one time), I have never vandalized anything in my life all I did was edit user profile several times before I knew this was prohibted after I knew it only happened one more time and that was on seaterror page to check his edit stats (curiosity isn't vandalization). Last but not least a ban is an extremely serious matter for someone who is only doing his best to improve the wikia and should only be handed out to such a person after careful consideration, ample amounts of conversation and after community consent. (OnePieceNation 23:45, May 12, 2012 (UTC))

If you think this forum serves as a warning, then you don't get the purpose of the forum. This forum is here because you've already been warned. Calling people stupid or baka or whatever is still insulting them, even if you pretend you don't mean it. I remember you were told not to edit user pages at least once and continued to do so even after you were warned. 98% of the edit wars you were involved in you still fueled intensely and then you flip out and go to the talk page only after it's locked, then flame me for following standard procedure. You aren't sorry for what you did, you're sorry that what you did escalated this far and now your ass is on the chopping block. I too support a ban, one month minimum. It seems the community consents for the most part, and believe me, it's been considered and discussed amply. 17:43, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

This is a stupid forum get over the fact that he's a little obnoxious and give him a chance. And if he doesnt listen delete this stupid forum and ban him for like two weeks, goshh you people make no sense and are so immature, I've met OPN and he seemed nice so I really don't understand this.--A Wikia Contributor 13:39, May 13,2012

People have more sides than a single one. We are not the ones that are immature, but more like you. Recklessly commenting on this forum on his behalf with the easily broken argument of "he seemed nice so I really don't understand this" have you even read this whole forum and seen how much evidence there is against OPN? I'm pretty sure you should have better just shut up. It was a big mistake to actually say something like this and call everyone that was offended by OPN "immature".

Also if that's you OPN, it is pretty pathetic and stupid to do such a thing.

Yes, I agree with DP in his post above. This forum wouldn't be here, if you had just followed the multiple warnings other users had given you. And insulting are still the same. "Really insulting", really? Even a small insult, such as calling someone "stupid" can hurt someone's feeling. Now, I know DP and MDM don't care about your insults, but it still matter.

And as for edit wars, ST and Panda was removing useless, boring trivia no one even give a crap about. They didn't removed any perfect solid trivia. It was only you who think that. Even after an admin undid your edit, you still refused to look at their side and undid his edit. I consider it vandalizing because you edited our profiles without permission. I don't know about the others' opinions on your profile edits, but for me, it's vandalism.

And as for the ban, why the hell you think we have a forum requesting you to be banned? Of course, we carefully considered, talked, and with the majority of users on the chat before making this forum. A simple vote as for OPN to be banned or not should be enough, in my opinion. 19:02, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

"including perfect solid trivia" Lol. SeaTerror 19:23, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

DP

Did I say this forum was a warning no all I said was that it functions (not that it is) as the best warning anyone can get, not that it is a warning.

A lot of people on here call other people stupid, fool, baka etc don't act like I am the only one doing it a lot of users do it, if it needs to stop, then I will stop it, but that doesn't prevent other users from doing it.

The first time I was told not to edit user pages, all I got was that it was generally disliked not to it was a serious offense and a prohibited act. After that I did it two more times after which I got told off and this time I was told that it wasn't just not liked but that it was also forbidden. After that I made only one more slip up by editing in userstats in seaterror's profile which I forgot to remove. However after that I have never edited any user profile nor will I ever do so again.

After a lot of edit wars between me and seaterror I dicede to take it to the talk page a lot sooner and I took things to the talk pages on a lot of occasion and only two times was the page concerned locked. Furthermore don't make it sound that like going to the talk page to discuss something is a bad thing because it isn't also two things that where taken to the talk page where discussed by multiple member including yourself and in both case most of the people agreed with me, including youself dp.

I have never flamed you, though I have gotten seriously anger at you and said a lot of mean things, to you, but the next day after I had calmed down I apologized to you, And I don't apologize to someone unless I am sure that I am in the wrong. (I have never apolgized to seaterror)

How can you know what I feel if you reed my first comment here you realize that I was extremely shocked that my behaviour caused this forum into existence furthermore after this forum started and I started to talk things out both here and on chat, I have tried my hardest to improve myself and I have. But there is obviously still more things that I need to improve on.

Without a vote you can't know if the community consents and the amount of new messages here on tells me it sadly hasn't been discussed enough yet.

AWC

I don't know who you are but thank you for partily standing up for me.

Rici

I forgive you for thinking that that awc is me on account of you not knowing me. But please for the next time remember If I am reply back to someone expecially when it is such a grave matter as this I will never resort to using an other account or awc to uplift mysely since I am not that pathetic. And tend to give very lenghty answers (which is something I am trying to work on). Also a lot of the so called evidence against me is shady at best. Especially the part about me editing user profiles a lot, because I did it only one time by mistake after I was told it was not allowed.

Jade

If you skip ahead to this Jade, please first read sections 1,2,3 and 4 of my reply to DP because they adress the same issues, ''forum, insulting, user profiles, edit wars. ''

to expand upon edit wars doing something to help someone, encourage someone or telling someone off is all I did on user profiles, I told trolls and vandals off on their user profiles, I tried to encourage you to strife for more and I tried to help X-raptor by making a link. All of my edits on user profile where either out of curiosity (userstats) or out of (in the worst way possible) trying to help someone/;this wikia. But like I said before I have completely stopped that now and left it behind. And I will never ever do it again. Last calling it vandalizing for me is going way to overboard.

all I am doing is objecting the ban if you read my first comment here you realize how shocked I was/am and after reading this forum through you see me realizing all my wrongs but also defending myself against things that according to me have been made to big. Especially regarding the user profiles.

now to get to the vote, since this forum has been brought to life by you and things are obviously not over with, I think that now the ball is in DP's or your court to open a poll. Not in the court of others. (this goes for you seaterror).

Seaterror

how short your memory is and those of several other who agreed with me on several cases that some trivia, is actually solid trivia and needs to stay.

Everyone

Please understand that I am really really sorry for all the mistakes I have made and the bad behaviour that I have done but I have learned from that, I do now know what I should and shouldn't do, how to resolve issues without letting it become an edit war and to not go into an angerfest against an admin for disagreeing with his methods.

(OnePieceNation 01:42, May 14, 2012 (UTC))

So what? You apologize and now you expect us to hold hands and sing kum bai yah or something? It doesn't work like that. There still has to be some sort of punishment. Remember, you apologized the last time this forum came up and look at where that's gotten us. Right back to where we started. Sorry as you may be, don't think you can get off this one bye saying sorry and walking away. 16:37, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

DP

If I have come over as a naive schoolgirl I apologize for that,Obviously I am not expecting to start living in the bloody sound of music where the hills are singing and everyone is smiling. This forum is more then punishment enough, and it had been death for two weeks before jade brought it back to live. Which now has proven to be necessary since not everyone saw things as being resolved. I have told you and others that I don't just walk away and actually want to discuss and resolve things and show the people here that I have changed, can change and will change. DP the ball is in your corner now, if you want to open a poll about my ban, please do so. (OnePieceNation 21:17, May 14, 2012 (UTC))

Yeaaaaaaah! One Piece Nation sssssssssuckssssssssUltimate Law of Kaitlyn 20:40, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Poll
This poll will close at 00:00 on May 22, 2012. To vote you must have been here for at least three months and have at least 300 edits.


 * Do you think OnePieceNation should be banned?
 * Yes
 * 16:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * 12:56, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1)  12:17, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 14:21, May 17, 2012 (UTC) (Sorry, nothing against you OPN. I know you are a good editor, but due to your constant vandalism, I think you have to go for a while.)
 * 14:35, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Bastian964 18:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * 00:36, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 01:17, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) I&#39;d rather not beat you to death with a slightly heavy silver spoon 20:09, May 19, 2012 (UTC) I've thought it over. A month, yeah, indefinite? Nah.
 * 2) 海賊☠姫 23:06, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * 01:49, May 25, 2012 (UTC) It's pretty obvious by now how this is going to turn out.
 * 01:49, May 25, 2012 (UTC) It's pretty obvious by now how this is going to turn out.


 * No
 * 23:52, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * 00:06, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, 10-2, OPN will be banned. Now it's time to decide the duration of the ban. 03:55, May 27, 2012 (UTC) This poll will close at 00:00 on May 26th, 2012 as we want to make this quick. Again, the requirements are the same: you must have been here for at least three months and have at least 300 edits.
 * How long OPN should be banned?


 * One week


 * Two Weeks
 * 23:19, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * 22:30, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Black Leg Sanji 01:10, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * One month
 * 01:37, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1)  01:18, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2)  02:19, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * 3)  02:25, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * 19:12, May 25, 2012 (UTC) I have nothing personal against you, but I won't vote for two weeks just because you begged me to do it


 * Two months
 * 19:35, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) I was about to stay neutral, but those lame new forums you made....
 * 2) User:X-RAPTOR 20:26, May 24, 2012 (UTC) lame new forums u made me change my mind its ur fault...
 * 20:34, May 24, 2012 (UTC) I was going for 1 month but these forums..... Well, you know
 * 1)     Contr         KOROMO         Talk      20:55, May 24, 2012 (UTC) After seeing his treatment of Panda, two months.
 * 2) 海賊☠姫 23:06, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * 23:18, May 24, 2012 (UTC) (I don't find this as cruel)
 * 01:49, May 25, 2012 (UTC) Joining the little bandwagon here.
 * 04:23, May 25, 2012 (UTC) (seeing his desperate begging is simply adding insult to injury, makes me wanna change my mind.)
 * 04:34, May 25, 2012 (UTC) (bribery, vandalism, nominating a user to be banned just because he hates her and insulting users)
 * 06:47, May 25, 2012 (UTC) Suck it up princess
 * 12:34, May 25, 2012 (UTC) you cant make a forum angains people you dont like (~.~0"
 * 12:34, May 25, 2012 (UTC) you cant make a forum angains people you dont like (~.~0"

Time's up. 0-3-4-13. OPN will be banned for 2 months. 03:55, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Poll discussions
I receive a message from OPN-kun on my talk page, and I would like to clarify something here. You may have noticed that I did not participate in this forum at all up to this point. The reason being I have nothing for nor against OPN. From since we first get to know each other until now, OPN and I have been sharing the same mutual respect towards each other. We do not have any serious argument / disagreement or the likes, as far as I can remember. So here I have nothing against him. However I am also aware of the constant arguments / disagreements that OPN has got himself into with other members of the wikia. And I have to say that at times he reacted a lot harsher than necessary (and uncalled for), and thus things turned out real ugly. For this, I also could not positively defend him for what he has done. Hence I don't anything for nor against OPN.

Therefore I choose not to participate in either the Ban Decision poll nor the Ban Duration poll. Apologies but I personally do not wish to be involved in this matter. 05:36, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Let the records show that I too did not participate in the poll due to my opinion about OPN is at neutral level .. not good, neither bad. Thou I had half of mind to vote for ban when he opened those 2 forums, but again .. I didn't need to. 18:38, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Why are people striking themselves out? I mean, I can see why you don't want to vote anymore, but wouldn't it just be easier to erase yourself from the poll? The striking thing just looks weird and makes it a bit harder to count votes, in my opinion. 02:30, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

It shows changing vote, at least for me. 07:44, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, shows that people changed their mind.

Well, on one or two previous polls, I changed my mind by just removing my place from the poll then putting it on the new one, or removing entirely. If I wasn't supposed to do that...whoops.

It's not a big deal, I'm just a curious guy. Do whatever you want, I don't care. 00:46, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Part 2
Users should never call another a "pretencious cunt". The context of the edit war doesn't matter, nobody should ever blatantly insult other users like this. It's inexcusable. 16:08, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Let him have it. He's digging his own grave. K0R0M0 (talk) 16:12, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

For crying out loud I am Australian and even I know never to use that word in the context OPN used it. 16:28, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'll say it here: I considered banning OPN straightaway, but then at least two users insulted him back. Either I ban them all, or none. If this wiki wants clear rules about not insulting people (like, one warning then a ban, or something), then it should be discussed. In the meantime, a ban forum is the only fair solution.

I do believe that a ban is necessary here. And it is true that other user's conduct in response to the situation was also not good. However, the cases of each user involved should be handled differently. In the case of OPN, he has been banned before for bad behavior (just look up), and I think this means that he should have been well aware of the way he should handle himself and his words here. His previous ban is his "warning" that some users on chat felt he should have before he gets banned again. In the case of the other users, I do not have the background knowledge to know if they've been warned for this kind of behavior in the past. Regardless, disciplinary action should be taken against all users involved, and in the case of OPN, I think that means a ban. 17:17, February 2, 2013 (UTC)