Forum:Image Guidelines

Pre-update discussion
Okay I'm going to ask nicely, due to the fact that there is already a topic for images, this isn't a discussion for images at all - go to the topic for that. This discussion is for the current state of the guidelines and let everyone express their thoughts and feelings on what must be changed.

Despite my suggestion no one gave me any preposals to ammend image guidelines on. So anyway, long story short I'm reading through the recent image discussion Forum:Images on the wiki and draft up a ammended page, you'll see the draft tomorrow when I fully write it out. Theres some outstanding issues, unfortantely thanks to how the recent image topic is going I'm having to sit here and update the image guidelines with whats been said in the discussion, rather then someone prepose ammendments and we vote on them.

The topic has been created here so to get people to FINALLY get on the subject of image guidelines, since we're stuck on the "desire" without the "decision" occuring on what we're doing. As I said to others, even if you get your own way, this is the page that then has to been updated as a reaction. Take note also, "Image Guidelines" is just that, notes on how to go about something. While it does contain "rules" section, the entire page is not all rules at all, as some freedom and allowance had been taken into consideration from the start so editors could make their own decisions on certain issues (For the curious on the difference between rule and guideline, its instead of "you can't use images with Fred in", "images with Fred in are not advisable to be used because...").

Anything written on the image discussion will be adressed, you may not like the update to cover some things but don't worry, the draft will not be put into place until we've had satisfactory time to discuss and make further amendments. Basically when we've got to a point that arguments aside, we've got a strong enough page to go in place, thats gonna make me a happy hawk. For those who want to see how things are Image Guidelines shows you the current status of the guidelines.

Also a request; can someone add a link to this discussion on the image topic in the "appearance" forum? This computer has decided its not gonna like that topic due to its size anymore. Anyway I think I've now given everyone some food for thought to eat over the next number of hours. Discuss anyway for the moment. 94.168.119.106 19:05, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Disappointing Response
Its beginning to notice... Youy know I'm wondering what the fuss was about in the last 2 weeks, aside from the problems coming from toggling we all seem fine with IG because theres no response to say OTHERWISE. Gosh, have we all died in the last few days? Honestly, I'm left wondering if all the cribs cause by kdom and party were just a case of trying to stir up trouble because this is getting stupid. Throughout the entire ordeal, I'm pushed the issue of getting the guidelines updated because Toggling and several other issues went against them - now their open to discuss the interest has died. ¬_¬'

Please respond if you want progress on matters, even if its to put up a COUNTER guidelines. Because honestly, right now I'm wondering if in truth everyone was fine with the guidelines, they just wanted a fight over images. I care not either way if the issue resolves itself here and in this topic, if you don't respond the issue will just die and then we're be back to where we were before, and everyone will just have to settle on how things are done right now.

Honestly... Seriously... Disappointed Hawk is. One-Winged Hawk 17:00, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I haven't really responded because there is absolutely no point. You and Franky are already going to do what you want, no matter what the rest of us say as you did with the vote on image toggling. If you want our opinions see the vote on whether to include image toggling (which passed either 20 something to 7 or 10 to 5 depending on the vote). Bastian964 19:09, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, don't bother contacting me for another vote. I have much better things to do than edit wikis with bad admins.Bastian964 19:17, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe if the topic Forum:How_to_increase_visibility_of_wikia_guidelines_and_important_discussions%3F has been answered properly, you wouldn't be that much disapointed. Also it appears that your uncompromising attitude may have gone against you as I can see from Bastian answer. I also fear that Tipota leaving might not be unrelated, I just hope that I'm wrong with that. It can also show that people don't see what's wrong with the current guidelines. I stop there with the unconstructive remarks.

Could it be possible that you rewrite the article using colors (yes I don't always dislike them) to see what has changed, what is new, what is subject to discussion...

Otherwise, my first thoughts
 * the welcome message shall be changes so as to add a link towards the different guidelines.
 * I'm not 100% happy with the anime/manga thing since it does not really speak about why this wiki needs manga images but I wait until the issue is solved
 * Is it possible to add that an image that can not be understood without a caption is not a good image.

Otherwise Tipota Once suggested (here) that we create Project teams. I think that if the manga thing is finally accepted and that we need to decide what manga images we keep, this would be the best solution. A team of editors would be responsible of the images that are uploaded in the wiki (categorization, duplicate, modification). One could be part of the team for a month for example and then make a rotation so that everybody taste is displayed on the wiki. I think that would help stop the edit war (In particular some portrait and char box pictures which are constantly changed without reason but personal taste) and also it would ensure that the images we use are really the most appropriate since it would be the object of regular discussions. Once the team has agreed the image could be lock with a reference to their decision. That's a big change but I think that it would help make the wiki better.

Kdom 19:41, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * While I'd admit that recent arguments are a bit uncompromising, some of the arguments didn't really provide a proper compromise between the two opposing sides.


 * For the image team, that may be good but it would kinda need a good number of people that are usually around the wikia. For rotation of images so that everybody's taste would be satisfied, that's impossible. No matter how organized the idea seems, it falls in the area of complication of satisfying everybody's taste and by everybody that includes every current and potential person who visits the wikia. There's also the matter that control over the images by a single team might become a bit too restrictive. I mean lets face it, there can always be someone who comes along that provides an image that satisfactory but the person is not part of the team.


 * For the Image guidelines themselves, it shows promise but some marking of which part is added or changed would indeed be helpful.Mugiwara Franky 04:37, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Issues That need Addressing
Please can everyone list the issues outstanding now now must be adressed here in this section;


 * Toggle feature - its a big issue right now and I think, while I'm against it I'd like to leave room for places TO be used for within reason. Regardless, its got to be adress on all thats been said against how its been preposed still, Kdom in particular might not like some of it, but on the other hand its not being completely rejected entirely, its just a matter of us deciding hows the best way to make use of the tool for images, if at all.
 * Anime Vs manga - never an issue before, now is and must be addresed. I'll remind everyone;' the current guidelines have a blunder prevent manga being replaced indefinate with anime, I'm not going to change it to "correct" the issue as such, the new ammendment will support either not one or the other.
 * Rejecting image - I'm writing a percifica "Image Rejection" section covering when to reject images.
 * More detailed explainations - for why we do things as we do.
 * Put into words what has been unspoken.

Remember this section of the page isn't for discussion, please don't use it as, just give me a list of the issues... Thats all. 94.168.119.106 19:05, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ammend.
Don't write in here yet folks! I'm saving this spot for when I've written up the the new draft, afterwards everyone will get a chance to pluck the update apart. What happens after that... I'm not sure. 94.168.119.106 19:05, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * what I have so far. Some things aren't yet on the page, I'm just asking if everyone is alright with the new suggested layout and a few beginner additions.  If everyone is contempt, I can start.  If you have suggestions on altertive words for the test, tell me, if you wish to correct spelling and gramma - yeah that never my strong point go ahead. One-Winged Hawk 10:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)