Forum:Devil Fruit Technique Issues

While this has yet to boil into an edit war, I've seen brief conflicts and discussions regarding this topic and thought it would be wise to come to a consensus on this.

The quandary is: Should *any* attack used by a Zoan user in their Human-Beast hybrid form be included in the Techniques/Attacks section on their Devil Fruit page? This issue mainly arises where a Zoan user performs a weapon-based attack while transformed - examples include X Drake using X Calibur in Chapter 990 as well as Kaido's Hakai, Kosanze Ragnaraku and Kongo Kabura attacks.

Personally, I believe that for a technique to be included on a Devil Fruit page, it should be explicitly utilizing the Devil Fruit power. If a Zoan user just happens to be in hybrid form and performs an attack that by all accounts would be possible for them to perform in human form as well, I don't think that's enough to qualify as a Devil Fruit-based technique, even if you could make the argument that the hybrid form might enhance the attack's power.

Let me know your thoughts on this. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Discussion
I agree 100%. Spectaculity (talk) 18:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree with what is said in the initial post as well. I think that techniques being listed on the Devil Fruit's page have to be using the power of the Devil Fruit in some way. Simply being in a hybrid state is not sufficient evidence by itself for that. Yamato proved this by having a technique that Yamato can use in human form and in hybrid form; hence it isn't unique to Yamato's Devil Fruit. The same should apply to X Drake and Kaidou. Damage3245 (talk) 19:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

You make a valid point, however, if the technique in question has not been seen in the users human form, then it is entirely possible that the technique in question cannot be used properly without the Zoan strength boost. That is why I think that the attack should be included in the technique section, as long as it has not been used while the user is in human form.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 00:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC))

One example of that technique is Chaka's Narikiba since it starts with the sword in chaka's mouth then ended up only as a slashing moves hence we dont know of it can also be performed in human state. Same goes for X Drake's Exculiber attacks since we only saw it in hybrid form. Most of the Club attacks of Yamato and Kaido I think should not be listed as such in their pages though unless there is an element involve in the attack. 03:19, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I have to agree with GoldenOath. While it might be theoretically possible to use the attack in human form, hybrid form may be required to execute it properly. That said, it needs to be a case by case basis. With Drake at least, it felt like he was using the additional strength gained by his hybrid to perform the attack properly. However, with Kaido and Yamato's club attacks, having seen similar moves in both human and hybrid form, we don't need to put them under devil fruit attacks. 11:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not referring to whether or not the result of the attack works; i.e. whether or not it knocks out the opponent, but rather if the attack can be performed at all without the transformation. For X Calibur, it's literally just Drake jumping into the air and swinging his weapons. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

The result is the whole reason for someone using the attack. X Caliber for example would likely have less than a third of the force we know it to possess were Drake to try using it in human form. Without the intended level of force, it can hardly be considered the same attack. It’s kind of like the difference between Ulti's Ul-Mortar and Ul-Meteor. The mechanics are basically the same, but one carries far more force than the other due to her being in her animal form, and they are thus considered different attacks.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 21:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC))