Talk:Uta

IS she really Non-canon?
Considering she made an actual appearance (even as a silhouette as a flashback) in Chapter 1055 in the actual manga, wouldn't she be considered Canon? Basically, wouldn't she be in the "same category" as Shiki the Lion? Where although the movie is considered non-canon, the character itself is technically canon for actually being mentioned/seen in the manga.WhalBP (talk) 16:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Uta's current status
okay, this is getting nowhere after seeing some revert issue about Uta's status at the end of the movie. Cdswalkthrough somehow disagrees and claims that there's no need to put her status unknown. what should we do about that? Kunoichi101 (talk) 09:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I haven't seen the movie but I do not think it's even relevant. Her status should be 'Unknown' since she is like Shiki (a canon character in a non canon movie) and he is listed as unknown. Rhavkin (talk) 10:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

She not like Shiki she end up being in the Red Hair Pirates Ship at the end of the movie also I see no clear reason to place her status as unknown. Cdswalkthrough (talk) 17:44, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Because the movie is non-canon. Those events shouldn't be taken into account, so she was only shown in Shanks' flashback, thus her current, canon, status is unknown. Rhavkin (talk) 18:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't make any difference whether she canon or non-canon no need to make her status unknown even if the movie is non-canon Cdswalkthrough (talk) 20:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Lets split this into two:
 * 1) The movie is non canon so what happened in it shouldn't effect canon characters info.
 * 2) Character seen only in flashback in canon martials are marked as Unknown unless stated other wise.

Thus Uta's status is unknown. Rhavkin (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Status Post-Global Release
So now that I've seen the film twice, it seems fairly obvious that she's dead. We see the coffin (I wish I had an image of this), we see during the credits "Uta's First & Last Album" in the hands of many characters. We can assume she died from the wake-up shrooms since she threw away the antidote. Canonicty shouldn't affect the status, just look at Z.

Someone in the wiki Discord recently mentioned that other wikis can hide he status in the infobox, so you have to click to reveal it. I think that would be a kind thing to do for our readers on this article. 03:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this should be separated from the above discussion since those points are still valid. Uta appeared in the manga so her existence is canon and her canon status is unknown. Z is a non canon character so the movie is the only source we have for his status. Maybe this should simply be the only place we do not use the code for the status (1 for "unknown", 2 for "Deceased"), and just have her status written as "Unknown (manga)  Deceased (movie)". Rhavkin (talk) 03:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Specifying manga/movie seems like the best solution in my opinion, Shiki's not really comparable because he was unknown in both manga and movie. If not in the infobox, Uta's conflicting status should at least be mentioned elsewhere in the page so it's acknowledged somewhere. Walrsu (talk) 06:28, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

If not the char box, the only acceptable place is the Manga and Anime Differences section. Rhavkin (talk) 15:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

They recently released an audio commentary for the film in Japan. Apparently Oda and the director leave her status at the end unknown. 18:17, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, I guess that settled. It would be nice to have a ref with the status, thou I assume it us from the audio or a non official translation so that would be hard to get. Rhavkin (talk) 20:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that settles it alright. We can probably just cite it as “One Piece Film Red audio commentary” We don’t have to make it any more complicated than that now. 03:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)