Talk:One Piece Film: Strong World

Status
Wouldn't Shiki be an admiral? You know, color + animal = admiral.


 * He is a pirate, its confirmed. One-Winged Hawk 10:37, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

could anyone!!!
please anyone help me in updating picture and information int his page.Rainelz 11:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

is this a cannon
is this a cannon and if this is a cannon and would be after the whitebeard saga then there would be less than 20 manga chapter left before straw hat meets.Rainelz 11:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Based on the antagonist's name being the same name of the prisoner who escaped Impel Down, and the flying islands and flying island ship which fit with the prisoner's nickname, its apparently canon. Where in the manga it fits however is the question. It could be before the Straw Hats arrived at Sabaody or after they would rejoin in the future. In any case, the movie being canon is the only definite answer at the moment.Mugiwara Franky 12:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Above is total bullshit. There is nothing to suggest this movie is canon. Kinjishi appears in both, that means nothing as we've seen canon characters used in filler stories before. There is no precedence of anything animated being canon in relation to the comic book.


 * Watch the language
 * Oda's confirmed long since AUGUST THE 10TH that its CANON... Or suppose to be canon. But we lack more details to fine tune things and sort it out. Oda's writing this one himself to fit the storyline. Finger crossed he gives US enough to work with.
 * Don't forget to sign your posts with ~ One-Winged Hawk 18:21, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

I shortened the ever growing speculative/incorrect trivia about if/when/maybe on it being canon. Its canon, the first movie intending to be canon that is, so lets leave it at that. Chapter 0 is Oda's work, the movies written by him, heck if Oda could do animation I have do doubt every cell would be his too this time round. One-Winged Hawk 00:34, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Show me one quote from Oda stating it to be canon and I will concede. Until then, shut the fuck up jackass.


 * Don't use bad language, you've been noted on it and next time you'll get strikes against you.
 * Sign you damn posts with ~ !
 * Shiki was mentioned in the Impel Down arc.
 * SBS, Oda confirmed there was a tie in.
 * Chapter 0.
 * The movie has been stated by Oda already that it is him writing and intending for it to be canon.


 * Everyone should KNOW this by now. If you want quotes, look up Arlong Park Forums, they've been floating around for a year and I don't have time to track everything down. For now, you've got to live with the list above until someone finds it for you. Plus I'm actually INCLINED to help the ultra rude. >:-( One-Winged Hawk 14:24, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

No, that is pure supposition on your part.

1/ Shiki was mentioned in Impel Down, that confirms Shiki as a canon character. It does not confirm Strong World is canon.

2/ One Piece chapter 0 is canon, One Piece volume 0 is canon, that does not mean the movie is canon any more than that crappy Apis Dragon arc or Ice Hunter, which, by the way, was also based off a scenario by Oda and characters designed by him.

3/ Oh no internet nannying what will I ever do

4/ Where is this SBS quote? You mention it yet don't provide it or link to it.

5/ Where are these quotes from Oda on Arlong Park forums? I've been a regular poster there since 2004 and there is the exact same theorising trying to pass as fact as you are doing here. No quotes.

Huh will you look at that

6/ Where is this quote from Oda stating that he intends the movie to be canon. Which of your orifices was this expelled from?

You keep talking about these quotes yet can't back it up for shit.

Love,

~


 * You got the signing wrong. Without the "nowiki" coding please.


 * Okay so you want to dismiss everything Oda's done in the last year. Good for you.
 * Chapter 0 is the prequel to the movie, hence why you get it for free when you go to see the movie.
 * Not internet nanny, more like demand for respect, if you want us to talk to you respectfully its a two way thing and you've got to talk to us in proper manners. Don't cry when we ban you, because I think I speak for everyone here when I say its better to have a uncooperative but a pleasant editor then a loud mouth trash talker who likes to insult people more then he or she cares to be reasonable. Get it now? This is the net, you can get away with that language elsewhere but if you step the line, folks don't think twice about banning you. We're giving you 3 strikes, thats more then some on the net would. Don't push your luck.
 * There are 56 vols. and you can find most on Arlong Park forums website. I just don't have time to go through the sites SBS, but since your not a reglaur editor unlike me, you have PLENTY of time. Use it rather then waste ours.
 * I'm not doubting your a Arlong Poster, but I'm also not doubting if you haven't seen them you've therefore aren't paying attention to all the details. Not quotes per such, but interviews, SBS notes, everything you can IMAGINE gets on there, most of it comes and goes within a week. If you don't pay attention, you miss it.
 * Right back in the early days of Oda talking about the movie. Its a VERY long time ago, almost a year, and as I say constantly on this wikia I don't have a lot of time for the wikia right now.


 * I can back it up if I have time, to flick through all the sources that SHOULD have been on the page when they were released BUT didn't beause of a number of reasons takes time. I set a whole morning the other day for the Giants page alone. I had to go through other 30 chapters with a fine comb looking for references, because they weren't there to begin with. But then again, your attitude tells me a lot about you since you can't be bothered to look it up yourself and see what you've missed. If I have a day at the weekend I'll damn well do it, if I don't it will have to wait until I can. Editors are people and people have LIVES to live believe it or not and we're not here to serve the every bidding of some random IP address who won't do the work themselves. If you really are content with being right, then pull up info to prove I'm wrong.


 * But for now, settle on this: Oda wrote Chapter 0, Oda's written the movie, Chapter 0 is the prequel to the movie. >_< One-Winged Hawk 19:55, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * So what if Oda wrote Chapter 0 and movie 10?
 * Isn’t it odd to say that movie 10 is canon when Oda for his personal reasons remove this part of the story from the canon storyline? SBS Volume 55 page 126 and page 192 this is the ONLY (confirmed) information from Oda about the movie 10 and Kinjishi. Tipota 20:44, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * The SBS is simply stating at the time of the manga WB and Shanks meeting, Oda didn't want to mention it as it was too much information, but later he got to introduce it anyway by via the movie. All thats happened is something similar to what happened with Logue town arc fillers, only out of them, only Daddy Masterson is an Oda intended story. One-Winged Hawk 21:49, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, this movie has supposedly been 2 years almost in the making and that takes us way back to the late Thriller Bark arc, though if you believe things also Oda threw one script out as well on top of it. How true both these are I can't say, since its second hand words spoken here. We've gone through SA arc, Amazon Lily and Impel Down in the process. One-Winged Hawk 21:58, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Er what? I've sworn a lot on this site and nobody has ever said anything to me. Chapter 0 is canon at least. We will have to see how the movie fits into the storyline though. If at all. Drunk Samurai 01:49, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, based on the edits of the anon, it's just bad faith and semi-vandalism.

For the movie, there are several points to support it being canon.
 * 1) Oda is the writer
 * 2) Shiki is mentioned in the manga as being the first person to escape Impel Down
 * 3) Oda confirmed that Shiki of the movie is the one and the same with the prisoner
 * 4) Chapter 0 shows Shiki
 * 5) Indigo is also shown in Chapter 0
 * 6) Indigo's creations are also found in Chapter 0

The movie's pretty much canon based on these and others. For Oda not using the scenario in his manga proper, it appears that he wants to present this part of One Piece via a movie. It's not the first time a story teller or any creator has decided to present their creation in another medium.Mugiwara Franky 06:39, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Full Metal Alchemist comes to mind off the top of my head for some reason in regards to that. One-Winged Hawk 08:42, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's probably because the Full-Metal Alchemist movie "Conqueror of Shamballa" is considered canon as it acts as the extended conclusion of the first anime series.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 09:09, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * The first FMA anime series is kinda uncanon to its manga. After a few manga related scenarios, the anime started doing things completely different from the manga. The biggest change would be the bad guy and some of the homunculi. The movie Conqueror of Shamballa is indeed an extension of the first anime series, however its pretty much uncanon to the manga. Both the first FMA anime series and the movie are uncanon as they include major stuff that aren't part of the manga.
 * For Strong World on the hand, it has alot of stuff that connects it the manga. Its most prominent support for it being canon is Oda who is even making alot of stuff in the manga itself that ties with the movie.Mugiwara Franky 09:30, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I couldn't remember too much about FMA, its been a long time since I saw it. Hence why I said "for some strange reason". Anyway, when we place this movie. I'm guessing before SA arc as Brook's in it, and no one else from current storyline. One-Winged Hawk 10:34, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I want to throw something into the discussion here as to this movie and whether it's canon or not, and I don't think it's wholly "canon" in the traditional sense of the word, mostly for one reason. In this movie, Luffy doesn't wear the armband he picked up at the end of the Thriller Bark arc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LFwAAX9njE
 * Pause that video at around 0:27. Both of Luffy's arms are clearly visible, and neither of them is sporting that armband. Luffy always wore this armband through the entirety of the Sabaody Archipelago and Amazon Lily arcs. He never even took it off until he gave it to Buggy around the beginning of the Impel Down arc. Also, considering that Oda himself was in charge of things, I doubt he would've allowed such a grievous error to slip through unnoticed.
 * Even given the above, though, I don't think we can simply write the entire movie off as filler and be done with it. As stated plenty of times above, there is a lot of evidence supporting its canonity. Therefore, I propose that Strong World is just as canon as movie 9, Episode of Chopper+. With the case of movie 9, a past arc was modified to add in future content. So with Strong World, we have a future arc modified to add in past content. Or at least to make up for stuff that hasn't happened yet. I think it's likely that the manga will eventually go through a Shiki arc which we be similar to, though still very different from, movie 10. SavageLarxene011 05:04, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the armband thing, it's kinda just an accessory. It not being on Luffy's arm doesn't necessarily suggest that he already gave it to Buggy and the events of Strong World are a future arc. The theory it may happen in the manga in the future may still happen I guess, but it's still a theory of sorts.Mugiwara Franky 23:43, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, in the end of Chapter 0, it says that 20 years are already passed, so this is the link to Strong World.. In other words, if Chapter 0 is canon (and it is), then Strong World is canon per se. And the 1st reference don't proof anything (only that One Piece manga is finishing its first half).
 * So I think that we must change from this: "and is believed by many to be canonical, yet this is not confirmed" to this: "is the only movie be canonical. Dragon_NJMB 14:46, November 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can blame Greg at Arlong Park... Guy caused more hassle for the wikia then he was worth and led a campagine against us without the Arlong Park forum staff picking up on it until I pointed it out. He even came on here and vandalised our pages to insult us and dance around like an idiot on the issue as well. We had to word it as it is stop the oppotunity being there for him to do it again.


 * There are also other things to mention on this, but some things that happened at the time had to be done quietly behind closed doors, basically because it involes a few members of the AP forums staff. I think he got banned by MF, so if you want to do it, you can reword it again. One-Winged Hawk 22:24, November 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * So is ok if I change from "and is believed by many to be canonical, yet this is not confirmed" to this: "is the only movie be canonical? Dragon_NJMB 15:10, November 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * why do people misread quotes, oda only says that this is the last adventure for luffy as a seventeen year old, that doesn't mean it's canon. Canon needs to fit perfectly wihtin the storyline. the tenth movie doesn't, hoever episode 0 manga and anime does. The movie has brook in it, meaning it if it was canon it should have happened between leaving thriller bark and arriving at sabaody, Yet it didn't it wasn't in the manga and it doesn't connect in the anime. Remember Zoro was still very weak and injured at sabaody (thanks to oars and kuma) however in the movie he wasn't he was perfectly fine, kicking ass. There is nothing in the movie to suggest that thriller bark has happened, the only thing from thriller bark in the movie is brook. To sum things up Episode 0= Canon
 * Movie 10= Non Canon
 * (OnePieceNation 14:48, February 7, 2012 (UTC))
 * The entire quote is "And as far as something that will hold true for both the manga and the anime, this will be Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year-old." The "as far as something that will hold true for both the manga and the anime" bit is stating that this "adventure" does in fact hold true for both the manga and the anime. If something is true for both the manga and anime, that something is canon for both the manga and anime. As a result Strong World is canon for both the manga and anime. Bastian964 19:59, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Add trivia
i think we could add that in this movie zoro will be using a gun as seen in his artwork and the possibility if this movie shows after the whitbeard war is high because luffy doesn't know any background of impel down in which the main antigonist have a relationRainelz 10:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Possibly, but WB is featured and as of yet we don't know WBs fate. If thats the case, then this is placed after Thriller Bark and before the SA arc. One-Winged Hawk 14:28, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

franky
this must be the first time franky wore sensible clothes in the history of one piece


 * In one colour walk the entire crew was in suits I believe. One-Winged Hawk 21:43, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Kinjishi has a Devil Fruit
Is that true or is it fake information. I don't know since I am not that up to date with the movie.

watch this video in youtube they have many information Rainelz 00:19, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

find a spoiler of the movie
(this is a spoiler i found please remodel it and put in the article and thanks to Greg of AP)



Rainelz 04:17, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Umm, couldn't you just have provided a link instead of writing everything down.Mugiwara Franky 04:39, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ack! No you didn't post that! I just spoke with Greg recently about the wikia just taking his stuff. Okay, as far I'm concerned, we can reference his work, but we mustn't copy it exactly. Its opening a door with him I don't want to see open. Plus recently I've tried ensuring him we would do many things to stop his stuff being stolen directly and put onto the wikia when it does. So lets not go from copying his site to copying his forum posts please. Okay I doubt you knew what was happening everyone, but... Yeah... In the shortest form; lets not copy Greg's stuff word for word. And yes, MF is right, a link would have surpassed. ^_^' One-Winged Hawk 11:24, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

sorry about the posting it's my fault didn't read the rules first i promise it will never happen again.Rainelz 10:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Last Adventure
How true is the rumor that Oda has said this is written to be Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old? One-Winged Hawk 11:47, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Where did he say this? Many years ago he wrote in the SBS that Luffy will always stay 17, and since he also said that he already has figured out how OP will end, it is qute unlikely that the he has changed his intentions. It is more probable that it is the last adventure of the 17-years old Luffy, the ultimate story arc/saga, and One Piece will come to an end soon. However, I think it is just another fan rumour like the "1000 chapters" rumour. El Chupacabra 15:29, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Definately Canon? Just vote already folks!
Okay so I have Greg (of all people) now also arguing over this. Turns out our little vandal who recently vandalize the wikia to write this is either in league with Greg or Greg or something... (So instead of discussing it with us they vandalized a page???). I'm going to call a vote on canon or not because I'm tired of haressments and insults from AP forums recently over the wikia.

I'm not the God of the wikia! Dammit I'm tired of them. Lets have a VOTE now to accept this as canon and not.

Votes:
Neutral: I'm sick of AP forums and excuse for being neutral, but I no longer care if this is or isn't canon offially from this day due to Greg. One-Winged Hawk 12:31, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Canon: I consider it canon because it was somehow integrated in the storyline and does not contradict it. El Chupacabra 15:29, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Canon: There have many points stated here and there of why it is canon. P.S. can you show a link or something to Greg's claim about this movie being non-canon.Mugiwara Franky 15:49, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not without breaking the golden rule of PMs... You on AP? If not I'll have to e-mail the copy of the PM instead of forwarding it. One-Winged Hawk 07:36, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, I kinda like to visit there and other sites like it as an onlooker. My email address is  . Before sending it though, is the message explicit as in whiny kid bratty explicit or worse as in DS explicit?Mugiwara Franky 10:28, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Neither, lets get something clear, its not in the way rude, its just someone pointing a finger and going "haha, you've got it wrong!". Its just childish. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 10:39, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Do it please. El Chupacabra 15:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Canon: For the same reasons El Chupacabra stated. I'll make a list about it later that will back this up. MasterDeva 02:21, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral: I found it weird to make a movie canon, especially since it is hard to put him in the manga story line. Well I have not seen the movie, but I guess Luffy defeats Shiki in the end. And if that happens it would take much place in the manga that just an evocation of Shiki by Sengoku. I think it is an UOPO (unidentified One Piece object) which will be hard to categorize. However, I'm in favor of puting the 4 pre-strong world filler episodes in the non canon category. Honnestly, they are far from good, and unless if there is some reference to these episodes in the Movie, I consider them as 100% filler Kdom 11:14, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Note
There I've fixed it to say it is written to be like canon. Now Greg's biased war against us is incorrect, we're not saying its canon anymore.

Take THAT Gregm its not saying it is anymore (and yet still hinting at it, either way, Greg's campaign has lost its reason to exist and we've still "won" the argument). >:-D One-Winged Hawk 01:32, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * But in our voting the majority is for acknowlediging it as canon. Greg isn't the supreme authority and not even a user on this wikia, and i don't think that we should care about his opinion. If anyone thinks that it's not canon, he should present his arguments here. P.S. When will the voting end?El Chupacabra 15:40, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

About Greg
What will it take for Greg to stop vandalizing this page!? I mean enough is enough!! MasterDeva 02:05, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * I might be wrong of accusing Greg for this but these guys from Japan that keep messing with the canon trivia must be stopped! I propose to semi-protect this page until this is over!! MasterDeva 02:11, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * You sure their from Japan? I can check the IP addresses if you want. Either way, I'll agree at least stop random IPs editing if anything. That will force them to make an account to edit and if they do that, we're not so keen on editors who sign up JUST to vandalize. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 07:38, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Just a little note, I checked the IP addresses, MD's right, Japan. Not all the same location though.


 * Wasn't it Greg who paraded around the AP forums that he switched "Oz" to "Oars" back when the spoilers that linked his proper name came out? I know thats something he hasn't let me forget we had going on at AP. It was like watching a child who just proved the Earth was round and not flat like the adults were saying. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 07:49, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * From what I remember before the name Oars came up, Greg was one of those who promoted Odz over Oz. When it was revealed to be Oars, it was apparently somebody else. I must say though this matter seems to be a bit rather immature.Mugiwara Franky 10:31, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thats the oddest thing I even pointed out this to him via PM... I had him snap at me when I used Oz at AP and explained why because I wasn't even sure which version was correct. nd the moment Oars came out, I switched anyway. So what was his problem? He was as wrong as WE were! ^_- One-Winged Hawk 12:24, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think he's upset since we used Oz for a long time. According to him and other promoters of Odz prior to the revelation of Oars, was that Odz seemed more appropriate than Oz. The Japanese used for the name was definitely hard to put in English, however according to them despite it being hard, it couldn't have been Oz in anyway due to it being different from what Oz (as in Wizard of Oz) is normally written in Japanese. So they supported Odz since it seemed more appropriate to the name despite it being weird. Personally, considering that both Oz and Odz were kinda problematic, we probably should have used Óðr in the past as the giant actually shares the exact same Japanese words of a Norse God.Mugiwara Franky 12:45, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Odz was a awkward translation back to Japanese, I said to them at AP when I supported using Oz, Odz isn't correct either so I'll use the one I'm most familair with until I get the right correction. And I even said I know its wrong, but I got scolded for being ignorant at the time and even now. I acknowledge it was wrong and that there wasn't an alternative that was correct... So no one else got it right it didn't matter in the end. We even EXPLAINED on the page what the name problem was, what more do they want? Thats more then most other sites bothered to do in the end. They choose one or the other and never explained the name problem.


 * We're English speakers, we need a Latin based name to communicate successfully with other English fans. If we write Japanese text, their not even going to understand us. The problems the same with Enel and Eneru and you've seen the joke I sent you about THAT particular argument MF. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 16:17, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Synopsis
So uhh when is one gonna be added? -Electric Turahk (Talk) 16:51, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Once someone watched the movie or read a credible summary on the net and feels able to write it in his own words. ;) -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/intern/de/images/thumb/a/a4/C2.png/15px-C2.png · 01:34, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Joke answer: We're all lazy bastards aren't we really lol. XD


 * Serious answer: I don't even think its on youtube yet. It maybe too "new" to find yet anywhere. I don't even think there is a DVD release yet. It needs some time. One-Winged Hawk 11:51, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

guyz the raw is out i he net and can someone make a sypnosis now!!! i think indigo has some kind of special power here is the site:

http://www.watch-onepiece.com/watch/537-One_Piece_Movie_10_Strong_World_English_Subbed/

Sweet jesus, when is someone around here gonna write the entire true blue summary of this movie huh? The official members of this wiki surely must have seen the whole movie by now.213.89.28.95 18:11, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Please just wait, when somebody has something then they'll write it done. You can't expect people to have everything right away.Mugiwara Franky 02:30, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Moreover could someone just remove that full summary part? Even if the movie goes like that, I doubt you could call it a full sumary with only a few lines of text...78.20.187.74 03:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Moreover could someone just remove that full summary part? Even if the movie goes like that, I doubt you could call it a full sumary with only a few lines of text...78.20.187.74 03:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Subbed yet?
Is Vegapunk or any other fansub site going to sub this movie?--Lordxehanort 22:14, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * They probably will once the DVD is out in Japan. (August 27) YazzyDream 22:22, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Little East Blue arc
I suggest to create a separate page for Little East Blue arc (and to leave here only a brief synopsis of it and link to the main page here). Reasons: Ruxax 18:13, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) This page is long enough.
 * 2) Every other arc has a separate page.


 * Furthermore, the Little East Blue is not considered part of canon (no one I know of considers it canonical), whereas Oda considers Strong World part of the manga timeline (see the reference I just added to the page). Bastian964 18:53, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Dubb Possibility?
I've heard numerous rumors flying around about a possible Funimation dubb of this movie, has there been any official news of this?

Triple Dice 19:04, August 5, 2011 (UTC)Triple Dice

no, theres no official announcement that funimation will be dubbing this. If there was it would probally be on the wiki 21:16, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia Section Gun Use
In the trivia section about gun usage where it says " The Straw Hats are seen using guns for the first time in a story that is canonical, except for Sanji who used a gun early on in One Piece". Does this refer to his use of a gun when Robin/Ms. All Sunday first appeared on their ship? Also, Nami was shown using guns while guarding the case of money in Water Seven, while the others were destroying the Franky House (Chapter 329,330). Although in both cases, no guns were fired. And what of Franky's guns (although I guess they are technically part of his body) and Luffy's use of a gun when he accepted the Davy Back Fight (Chapter 306)? Perhaps it should be changed to " The Straw Hats are seen using guns in battle for the first time in a story that is canonical, excluding Franky's built-in firearms." I just thought if Sanji's gun use was worth mentioning the others' gun uses are too.

18.189.30.102 03:02, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right about that. I added "in battle" to the trivia, but about Franky's built in guns.... Well, I have no idea. So I'll let you convince me if you want it, or someone can add it if they really think so. 03:08, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree about leaving out the part about Franky's internal weaponry. But I think that since there are other cases in which the Strawhats used guns, the bit about Sanji should be removed since he never fired it. However, Franky/Cutty Flam did use a gun in battle against Spandam (as a club) and later a large gun/bazooka while standing on the sea train's tracks (Chapter 357). 18.189.30.102 04:41, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Recent Challeges to Canon Status
I know that several people have been challenging the canon status of this movie elsewhere on the wiki. However, I think that needs to be done here, on this talk page rather than chat or in passing on other talk pages before it can be changed in articles and around the wiki. It should be so easy to undo the vote above on this issue. It at least needs to be discussed, and discussed here. 19:19, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Can someone link me to the discussion? I hope it wasn't just something decided in chat, because that's not how you make a community decision. Chat is not linkable and doesn't have a history, so it cannot be a reference for other users.

I'm pretty sure it is canon, and we should treat it that way. Oda sort of treats it like part of the story, and so does the fanbase. Plus of course the fact that Oda served as writer and executive producer for this film, and wrote a special chapter for it. As for Zoro's condition, which conflicts how he should be in this part of the story, we really shouldn't act like plot holes don't exist in the manga either. For one thing, Devil Fruit users shouldn't move when in water. Yet in many chapters, specifically the first one, Luffy was waving his arms about and was keeping afloat. He was swimming. And that's not the only plot hole, so I don't believe we should uncanon this film just because of Zoro's condition. 20:11, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

As the recent discussion about movie 12 demonstrate, Oda being the movie's story writer is not much an evidence for its canon status, but I agree with you Zoro's condition can be dismissed as "Indigo wasn't much of a challenge to him", in fact on Sabaody only after an exhausting battle with a Pacifista his condition was shown. The only plothole at this point should be "Brook first fight". I did not understood your example about the devil fruit users.

Oh, it was just something how the DF users shouldn't have the strength when they're in the water than they actually do, but it's not too important. 20:31, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

"Oda sort of treats it". You lost me there nada. Plot holes matter either way, and your devil fruit power thing makes no sense. He wasn't swimming, he nearly drowned. Devil fruit users can move in the water, but they are extremely weak and are uncapable of bringing themselves back up.

As for SW being canon. Just no. 20:47, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Can you link the discussion please?

Sorry Levi, but yes it was in the chat. 20:52, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Also an extra detail regarding chat. If we used an irc script, we could have history. 20:53, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Levi on this one the only real plot hole is brooks first fight, and indigo not being a chalenge makes sense since zoro only started to show the pain from the injury from kuma when he got exhausted fighting the Pacifista so yeah it can be canon since we have more substancial proof that it is canon.also having plot holes doenst make it filler wether you like it or not. User:X-RAPTOR 20:54, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

I've told you time and time again X that non-canon =/= filler. Anyways, there are still more major plotholes. For example, why is it never referenced during the War at Marineford? Why does Sengoku not mention Luffy's exploit with Shiki when he's listing off the other stuff he's done? Why doesn't Sengoku mention Shiki being beat when he mentions he has broken out of prison? There are plenty more, but hopefully these prove my point. 20:59, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflic) I'm sorry guys, but you cannot make such big decisions in chat, or rather you can but before starting to changing the wiki you should write down your reasons in a talk page or in a forum to see if anyone else has something to say. Galaxy, it's not a matter of history itself, but more like having the discussion history available in the wiki without relying on external sources. If you make this kind of decision in chat, how new users are supposed to be informed? Or the users who weren't present? For example I don't know why it was decided that Strong World is not canon... I just somewhat understood that it was because those two plotholes, but as I said there is only just one plothole, which is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. If you consider Strong World not canon for that plothole then Z is surely a not canon character as well.

I actually never said Z couldn't be canon. It really does depend on the placement of it (after or before PH). It goes either way there, but for Strong World, my thesis is that the characters are the only canon part, which works. 21:10, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Did you just actually decided all of that by yourself? Because it's pretty much sound like that, and since it was a chat decision I don't know how it was made :P Okay I don't know if I have the time to start analysis all of this, but "your thesis" sounds pretty much like a blog theory, so I'm pretty amazed we changed all of this just for your theory. I'll think about it later. By the way, a "plot hole" is a contradiction in the storyline, what you have just listed are not plot holes, the only one is Brook first fight.

No. I did not decide this. This is just something that was discussed in chat by at least 10 people. Also, those things pretty much are contradictions. 21:20, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

No matter what the plot holes are, I have yet to see something that discounts the statement Oda made of "And as far as something that will hold true for both the comic and the anime, this will be Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year-old."

I'm paying specific attention to the "something that will hold true for both the comic and the anime" part. That seems to be as close to a statement about canonicity as I've ever heard. 02:21, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

This statement has been discussed a lot. I still fail to see how it is related to canonicity… Oda was saying that in both the current storylines at the time, Marineford and SW, Luffy was living his last adventure as a 17-year-old. Last adventure in the manga, and last adventure in the movies. If I'm guessing correctly, you seem to think he was saying that SW is the last adventure of 17-year-old Luffy, and that this holds for the manga too. First, it would be a weird way to say something as simple as "SW is canon". Second, it means Luffy turned 18 between SW and Sabaody… Duh! How is that even remotely interesting? It isn't mentioned anywhere! It is clear to me that he was foreshadowing the timeskip—and thus that his sentence is to be interpreted as I did above, hence not implying anything about canonicity.

To me that statement* is enough to prove that strong world is conan.

( * -->  "something that will hold true for both the comic and the anime" )

No, sff9 is right (plus I wouldn't really literally trust the translation), but I think we may have missed other Oda's comments on the matter. Anyway, there are still other strong elements that support SW being canon, but most important I fail to see real disproves of it. Especially if we take in account the recent Zephyr discussion, I think we are using two different metres of judgement. I'll try to sum them up later, but meanwhile it doesn't hurt reading again the canon-status discussion in this very same talk page, up above.

So....canon or not? It sounds like everyone thinks this is canon right now. 14:23, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

People fail to take into account that strong world written was during the same time marineford was written. that is why the plotholes exist. Shiki's defeat wasn't referenced in marineford in the manga because you can't just reference something in the anime to the manga, and the people who only read the manga would be confused. Some say that Shiki is canon, but SW isn't. It is canon because chapter 0 is canon, and Shiki states that he will set his plan in motion in 20 years. As for Z, there are no references in the manga or confirmation from Oda to suggest that it is.DuelMaster93 (talk) 16:27, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I'd say non-canon; but opinions don't really matter… We have no confirmation whatsoever and there are problems with the plot, so we should not be assertive. Clearly it has a special status as compared with the first 9 movies and anime filler, but we cannot simply label it as canon.

Yeah. With the new "Filler History Sections" it really won't matter.

Duelmaster: Shiki is still waiting to set his plan into motion as far as we know. 16:34, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Galaxy9000: It has already been 20 years. If strong world isn't canon, chapter 0 isn't. In the Impel Down arc, Sengoku says that Shiki is the only successful pirate to escape impel down, proving that chapter 0 is canon. If SW isn't canon, what on earth would Shiki be doing. He doesn't look too old & he is certainly too strong to have been killed, and if he had everyone would know about it. Why did no one mention Shiki's defeat? I don't recall anyone mentioning moriah's defeat either. The news at the time was about luffy breaking in & out of impel down, so no one really cared about Shiki's defeat, considering he is a pirate the marines wouldn't of cared anyway. It may have been put on his bounty.

Reasons why Strong World is canon:

1. Oda wrote it

2. Oda stated it was canon

3. Chapter 0 is canon, therefore Shiki stating he will set his plan in motion in 20 years is also canon.

4. If Shiki is a canon character wouldn't it mean that his plans are also canon? If he died everyone would know about it.

Unless there is an encounter with Shiki in the future, or anything on what he did after he escaped impel down, it is canon DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:06, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

"2. Oda stated it was canon" This is the sole of your four points that would warrant a canon status, no discussion needed… Unfortunately this point is not true.

As I said for Zephyr, I think saying that Shiki/Zephyr is canon, but not the movie is a bit contradictory, it's either both or none of them. Otherwise we would the ones making fanfiction, saying something like "Shiki is still waiting out there". He is not. If you don't recognize Strong World as canon then also remove Shiki from the canon characters.

I agree with Leviathan. He explained it better than me, but the point is Shiki can't be canon if SW isn't.   What do you want to believe: - That Shiki is still waiting out there (a opinion by fans) - Or that, Strong World did happen (written by Oda) The plot holes aren't that major. There are reasons why they exist. SW was written during marineford, so of course there going to be plot holes wherever he put it. I'm sure Oda includes this apart of his story, and so should the fans. And if Shiki, was still out there waiting, what on earth would he be doing? As for Z, we need to wait a while to see where if can fit in the timeline. So far there are no connections to the manga or anything from oda to suggest that it is canon --DuelMaster93 (talk) 14:05, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

About the plotholes, the only real plothole I read of is Brook's first fight (about which, should I remind that Brook fought a giant fly and some ants in Strong World?), the others aren't plotholes since they don't make any contradiction. Why didn't Sengoku mentioned that Shiki was beaten? Why should he have? This are what if situations, it's like saying why Pell didn't die in the explosion... he didn't, end of the story. Hence since there where a lot of reasons to consider Strong World canon, I don't understand this sudden change of thoughts about it. I understand instead why sff9 doesn't consider it canon, to rely only on sure-facts, but the thing is, that creates more problems then what it solves, like having a canon character but not the movie about him.

The big plothole that makes SW's canon status questionable is Luffy defeating Shiki, somebody that rivaled Roger himself and that was on the same level as the admirals when Pre-Skip Luffy barelly budged a Pacifista. Even Post-skip Luffy didn't reach this level yet while in the film you have him destroying an even bigger island than Marineford. Most fans tend to agree that Chapter 0 and Shiki are canon, that however put his 20 years plan in a difficult place but a lot could have happened during 20 years.

In the end there are too many contradiction for Strong World to be canon so many fans have different views, i remember one saying that he considers the plot canon but likes to think that in canon the admirals took the Straw Hat's place in taking Shiki down. There are many ways to view Strong World but every conclusion leads to canon problems Adriano1995 (talk) 00:37, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

The point here is that Oda himself said this film is canon. It's pretty the reverse thing happened with Z, where Oda himself sayd it's NON-canon. However Shiki's defeat being a plothole is a non-sense. If you Shiki, you can see his abnormous power came from his devil fruit. and probably due of that he's been able to rivaled with Roger and fight with Garp and Sengoku. However no one said so far he's to Roger/Garp/Sengoku's level. The same Newgate said "I'll make you fly out of my ship" and we know newgate isn't more stronger than Roger. The physical strenght of Shiki is just a bit more than Luffy's one, being able to stop Sanji's kick with a hand, but being hurted by Gear 2nd attacks and defeated by Gear 3rd. Rayleigh92 (talk) 00:44, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oda never said SW was canon Rayleigh. He said it was Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old (in both Manga and Anime), because the timeskip was approaching. 00:47, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, Oda never really said SW was canon, and he didn't say anything about Film Z yet either, that one's probably going to be non-canon too even though it was announced that the guy who cut off Z's arm joined the Shichibukai one year ago. As for SW, the characters remembered Shiki as having rivaled Roger so he was in their level and to have caused such havoc in marineford before then he was in least as strong as an admiral, Luffy wasn't in that level, Shiki fought with the best of his era, so he was top-tier, Luffy's not in that level Adriano1995 (talk) 01:12, December 26, 2012 (UTC)