Talk:Yamato

Beasts Pirates
Was he said to be a member? Rhavkin (talk) 08:19, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't put him as a member, is speculation. Cracker-Kun (talk) 12:29, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Haki
His weapon is black so it's hard to tell, but the black lightning effect is usually the effect of Busoshoku Haki, right? Shouldn't it be included? (Shadoguardian (talk) 05:52, June 23, 2020 (UTC))

Given that the attack has thunder in it's name, it night not be such clear cut. Rhavkin (talk) 06:17, June 23, 2020 (UTC)

Lightning from Haki only happens during clashes. Which is just a generic clash effect used in most manga anyway. SeaTerror (talk) 19:09, June 23, 2020 (UTC)

Gender
We might as well start this now, since this might be a long debate. I say Yamato should still be consider male just like Kikunojo is female. Objections? Rhavkin (talk) 14:38, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

I dunno. Doesn't the chapter introduce Yamato as "Kaido's daughter"? That introduction box is probably key depending on the Japanese term used. If it's something more gender neutral-sounding then I support going with the male pronouns. KingCannon (talk) 15:02, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

The infobox says she is a girl, so she is a girl, this doesn't need debate.Cracker-Kun (talk) 16:26, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

We are not discussing this further until the chapter is officially out. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:29, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

Alright, so after some thought I've protected this page for two more days, to keep editing traffic stable.

Regarding the question of Yamato's gender, I'm with KingCannon and Cracker-Kun on this one. Her presentation as a man seems to revolve around her styling after Oden, plus she is officially called Kaido's daughter in her intro box, so I think it's safe to refer to her as female at least for the time being. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:10, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

Kikunojo had an infobox referring to him as a male (as Izo's younger brother). Yamato was referred as a male multiple times. Rhavkin (talk) 16:12, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

Agreed with Kaido. 16:16, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

Kikunojo was introduced as Izo's brother in the flashback. She described herself as a woman in the current timeline.

Conversely, Yamato was first mentioned as Kaido's son but was introduced in the current timeline as his daughter. 16:21, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

And on the same page Yamato said "Well, Kozuki Oden was a man, wasn't he?! So I chose to be a man too!!". Rhavkin (talk) 16:24, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

Well, I interpret that as she wants to inherit her will and be like him, but it does not necessarily mean that she identifies herself as a man. Cracker-Kun (talk) 16:47, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with cracker. She wants to be like Oden, she doesn't want to be a man, at least it's not stated so. Also, as as said here, the infobox called her daughter, not son. But to be fair and play Devil's Advocate, Kaido referred to her as his son. Maybe she wants to be a man, or maybe she wants people to think she's like Oden, either is possible. ( Dot  Talk  ) 16:51, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

So that person claim to be a man, dress like a (specific) man, is called son by others, but was written once with as a female, and that is? So if Luffy latest infobox called him Luffytaro, should we rename the entire wiki? Of course not. Luffy being surprised by Yamoto appearance mirror Chopper's reaction about Kiku being a man, and the notion was rejected by Kiku and Yamato the same way. Rhavkin (talk) 16:55, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

Name is incomparable to someone's gender. Really doesn't matter how many times she/he is referred to as a man, if Oda never explicitly says someone identifies as transgender, then it is just assumptions. Nightmare Pirates (talk) 17:43, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

So how is that different from Kiku whose only infobox introduced the character as male? Rhavkin (talk) 17:45, July 5, 2020 (UTC)