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Option A: https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/6/63/Vinsmoke_Niji_Manga_Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20170712120008

Option B: https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/6/63/Vinsmoke_Niji_Manga_Infobox.png/revision/20170712120008

Option B is full body, and is less obscured the A (judging by where the photo is cut compared to Niji's legs).

User:Kaido King of the Beasts believe that the face is drawn worse, and that the flames gives it an odd shading (Kaido, if I forgot something or put the wrong words in your mouth, I'm sorry)

I think the face is drawn differently, not necessarily "worse", and that Option A also have shading with Niji's right elbow and left hip for example. Rhavkin (talk) 12:18, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

Colour > Feet. The other difference are hardly significant imo. 14:16, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

The feet aren't the isseu, but the fact that it is full body. Rhavkin (talk) 14:55, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

Full body is not important tbh. On a lot of pages, we choose other images because they are better drawn and then include a full body image in their gallery. In this case, the full body image is not drawn as well. The facial details and shading are better in the color image. 14:59, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

It's not full body if his lower legs are covered up by the big Germa banner. He shows almost the same amount of body in the colored picture, which has better facial details. Not to mention, with regards to shading, that Option A's shading is highly negligible while in B his entire body is covered in flame shading that makes him look different. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:31, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

You can say it's obscured, but you can't deny that this is a full body image. And yes Noland, full body isn't a must if you have a better image, but they are both a bit ragged. If colored is decisively batter, shouldn't ALL possible manga infobox be in color? Rhavkin (talk) 17:46, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

I prefer option A here for the color and detail. There are more than a few character articles where the profile image is a closeup of their head or upper body while a shot of their full body from far away or in low detail is relegated to the appearance section, since that's all we have of them. This is no different, imo, because the "full body" aspect of option B just includes Niji's shoes, which isn't enough of a selling point over the qualities of option A that I mentioned before.--Xilinoc (talk) 20:32, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

By the same logic, his manga portrait is the far better option. Option C: https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/5/52/Vinsmoke_Niji_Portrait.png/revision/20170405184404

If all that matter is quality, and not body, a clean close up of his face is superior to everything and more then enough. Rhavkin (talk) 21:03, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

Option A is better overall. 13:03, July 13, 2017 (UTC)

Body does matter. But your "full body" shot isn't actually showing his full body thanks to the Germa 66 banner. It's why we replaced his original manga infobox pic with the current colored one; we could see his shoes in the original one, but thanks to Ichiji's cape covering his legs he had the same amount of body showing overall. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 13:20, July 13, 2017 (UTC)

Okay this is going nowhere. I looked at Category:Character Manga Infobox Images and yes, there are some colored, and some that are cropped, and even some with errors (i.e. Yomo's has his magazine hands and not his volume hands). I also had a talk about portrait with User:Awaikage about Diesel's (among others) a while back, and I think a proper image guideline would help me understand, and maybe others as well (because I'm not the only user who has image issues. Here us what I suggest: A list of each type of image ranking to criteria for "what's better?".

For example, for Character Manga Infobox Images:
 * 1) Quality.
 * 2) Full body visibility (Chiffon's body isn't less obscured than option B).
 * 3) Color.
 * 4) Scanlation.

If I forget a criteria, or miss-ranked some, add and comment. If you think this isn't the place, but agree that this guideline need more expanding, please move it to it's rightful place and like that here. If you think this elaborated guideline is unnecessary, just look at the number of image wars, and the number of reverts in each of them. Rhavkin (talk) 16:36, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with your criteria. But it wouldn't affect this discussion at all because Option 2 has poorer quality and shows the same amount of body as Option 1. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:21, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

Quality is mostly subjective so I can't really judge which has a better quality but I agree that on this wiki it's prefered to go with the image the majority of users agree is better. As for the visible body, option A cut at the thigh and B from the knees to the ankle. Rhavkin (talk) 19:09, July 14, 2017 (UTC)