Talk:Jaguar D. Saul

Can we PLEASE use the name Saul instead of "Saulo"? Not only is Saul far more common, it also makes infinitely more sense with all of the other biblical names Oda's using this arc... Plus, it is accurate, as in the Japanese translation of the bible, they use the spelling of "サウロ" (Sauro) for Saul's name... So, yeah. Saulo just... isn't right... Where'd it come from, anyway? o_O I have NEVER seen it like that, and Google only shows up a little over 40 hits, most on Wikipedia... Murasaki 00:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Death
Okay, if we're going to disagree about it, let's discuss it here instead of just changing the page back and forth. XD

Evidence for Death:
 * 'Kiji mentioned that death is very quick after the person has been frozen solid. (I don't remember exactly when it was, but it was when he froze Robin)
 * Saul was left on Ohara, which got completely burnt down afterwards.
 * No matter how silly of a reason it seems, Saul is a flashback character. Sanji and Luffy are the only one's whose characters survived, and they did it with a sacrifice (Vivi and Usopp didn't have them in the same way, so they don't count). The other true influence characters all died. Kuina? Dead. Bellemere-san? Dead. Doctor? Dead. Tom-san? Dead (unless you're gonna try to argue that one too...). Characters in flashbacks die. It gives the characters their resolve to become who they are today. All the others have died; why should we assume Saul was any different?
 * There were no survivors on Ohara. That would mean that the only way he could have survived was to have left BEFORE the real Buster Call started. Which would mean... leaving on a marine ship. I highly doubt any marine would even consider it other than possibly 'Kiji... and, seeing how he treated Saul in the first place, I think we can assume that he wouldn't have.
 * Spandam mentions his death.

Evidence for Living:
 * He's not shown dead.
 * Spandam is the only one to mention his death, and, frankly, I don't know that he's the most trustworthy person around... Plus, he'd only be going by what his father knew, which is that Saul died. If Saul did somehow survive, he could have done it without Spandine knowing, making Spandam's statement not necessarily true (even if he thinks it is).
 * The name of the attack used by Aokiji implies that it is less then lethal.

So, if you have anything to add, please do. Just... don't erase my points. Just add to them below, and we can see if we can come to an agreement about what to do. ^_^ --Murasaki 23:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

He's dead. End of discussion. If in the future it turns out he is alive, then we'll gladly change it, but he was an integral part of Ohara and was in a flashback. He can die. Cody2526 01:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, that's pretty much what I think too. But people keep changing it anyway. I mostly did this for people who disagreed on a fact that seems fairly obvious to me... I mean, people don't seem to argue that Tom-san's still alive, I don't see why Saul's any different. o_O --Murasaki 01:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should just have a list of "characters with ambiguious fates" (or whatever you want to name it), I can name five people who fall under this caragory already: Saul, Bellamy, Mr.7, Mr.9, And Miss Father's Day. (Justyn 07:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC))

Oh come on Justyn, Saul is dead and that's the fact so please stop trying to be full of yourself and leave Saul in the dead category okay. Peace out man

Joekido


 * Sorry to butt in, but I agree he should be left as 'dead' until he is proven otherwise. If he is alive, we can then remove it. Its EASY to remove something like that.  One-Winged Hawk 10:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)