Talk:Dressrosa Arc

Wait, in the arc summary why are you guys including stuff from the Punk Hazard arc? Dont you guys need to move Chapters 698 and 699 to the Dressrosa arc because right now its very confusing to have information from the Punk Hazard arc on Dressrosa's summary.

99.44.162.205 14:45, February 27, 2013 (UTC)Decider109

Inclusion of Punk Hazard Setting
Should we put chapters that take place in Punk Hazard in the previous arc? The story never really began to take place in Dressrosa until chapter 700. 21:07, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

No because the stuff with Doflamingo quitting the Warlords is all part of this arc, which began with 697. 21:09, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Punk Hazard was still shown until 699. SeaTerror (talk) 21:20, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

The Strwhats left the island,so the arc ended. 21:24, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sabaody was still shown in 603. 21:25, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

But that chapter was mainly set between Sabaody and Fishman Island. 02:34, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

What matters is the protagonist's ultimate goals at the time, and how it connects to the next arc. The doflamingo conflict started at the end of 697 (at least the phase of Law's plan), therefore that's the start of the Dressrosa arc. 02:37, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

The plot points of PH are still addressed in 698 at least, and 699 and 698 are pretty tied together with each other. But since 699 was the last chapter in which we saw Punk Hazard, I say that's the last chapter of the arc. The wiki tends to have arcs begin when the Straw Hats arrive at new locations, like Water7/Enies Lobby. 02:41, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Nope. What matters is the plot points. Doflamingo's confrontation with Kuzan fits perfectly into the Dressrosa Arc. The moment Law told him to leave the warlords, it became something new. None of this new stuff had anything to do with the PH overarching plot. 02:43, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

If plot points are all that matters, then 698 SHOULD be part of the Punk Hazard Arc, as that actually takes place on Punk Hazard. Just because something is left new doesn't make it not part of the arc, or even the saga. That's why Ace's fight with Blackbeard is part of the Post-Enies Lobby Arc, and not the Thriller Bark Arc. Doflamingo's confrontation with Kuzan fits better in the Punk Hazard Arc, as it does still concern points of the arc and takes place on the island itself. 02:57, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

They left the island somewhere between 697 and 698. They were first shown being out at sea in 698 so that's where the next arc starts.

Ace's fight with Blackbeard is part of Post-Enies Lobby because Thriller Bark plot points have yet to begin. At the point when Kuzan arrives at PH, the next phase of Law's plan has already started (and the phase is about taking down the SMILE factory at Dressrosa). It definitely fit with the Dressrosa arc and has little to no connection to the PH overall story. Who cares where it takes place. Caribou burying the Fake SH's is still Return to Sabaody, but we put that in the FI arc... so yeah. The fact that the SH's are out at sea, and how they kind of transition into new outfits proves my point even more. 03:01, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, 697 is definitely Punk Hazard, right? And that chapter is when Law gives the ultimatum to Doflamingo. In addition, Doflamingo began to head to Punk Hazard long before the arc ended, in 694. Ergo, all of the plot of Doflamingo's arrival and resignation are part of the Punk Hazard plot line, not Dressrosa. There's also Kuzan's foreshadowed arrival in 695, which makes his arrival also part of the Punk Hazard plot. In addition there is still the plot of Brownbeard's men and the G-5 marines that needed saving from the gas.

Also, the argument that because the Straw Hats left the island, the arc is over is incorrect, since we have made most of our arc changes around the Straw Hats' arrival at a new island (See the Sea Train stuff as part of Water 7, the Marine ship stuff as part of Amazon Lily, not Impel Down). Also, Punk Hazard was an arc with many important players outside of the Straw Hat crew. We had Law, the G-5 Marines, Kuzan, and Doflamingo and crew. All of these people had roles in the plot that were equal or greater in importance than nearly all of the members of the Straw Hats. Of the major fights of the arc, only 2 featured no involvement from people outside the crew (Luffy vs. Caesar and Franky vs. Baby 5 & Buffalo).

It is far too close-minded to say that the Straw Hats are so much more important than everyone else that their leaving the island ends the arc. 16:13, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Has this been resolved or...?

Well, I still think what I just said, but it's hard to say if it's resolved since nobody has responded directly to my statement. Also, since the wiki is totally glitching out right now and can only be edited in monobook, we may want to give any discussions a few days while the wiki straightens itself out. 06:19, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

JSD, the Straw Hats are the main characters. We base the arc names on where they go and when they go. You could argue that Water 7 isn't over just because the Straw Hats left and is still in full swing. Just because they show the place briefly after the Straw Hats leave doesn't mean we should call it ongoing. 06:30, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just because the Straw Hats left the island of Punk Hazard, it doesn't mean they've left the arc behind. Law's ultimatum, which is a key plot point for the Straw Hats, was given in 697, which is still part of the Punk Hazard arc.

I get that arcs move around the main characters, but when the main characters are in between arcs, and other characters are still working through plots from the older arc, the whole story should still be considered part of the old arc. 698 & 699 are part of Punk Hazard, and in 700 the Straw Hats get to Dressrosa and that arc begins. Before 700, there are more things that suggest Punk Hazard than Dressrosa. 18:47, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Law's plan leads in to Dressrosa. It's all part of the Dressrosa Arc. 18:58, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

No, what happens after the resignation is part of Dressrosa. The resignation itself is Punk Hazard since it was introduced in Punk Hazard. 19:34, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

That would mean that Lola explaining Ace's Vivre Card is part of the Alabasta Arc. 19:44, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

And Haki being shown is part of the Romance Dawn Arc. 20:00, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, is everyone using the SeaTerror form of argument where we compare an issue to something completely ridiculous and unrelated that nobody could ever support now? Is so much to ask to get the arguments that I make addressed and not thrown aside to make what I assume is a joke? 20:03, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

It's because that's what your argument is. 20:15, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Not even I would have made that argument. SeaTerror (talk) 20:40, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain JSD is talking about major plot points, not foreshadowing. Vivre Cards and Haki are foreshadowings. An answer to a question literally the next chapter isn't foreshadowing. It's more like asking for someone's name at the end of one chapter, then they answer it the next chapter. It's in a way having the same plot point in two different arcs. That's the point JSD is trying to make, I think. You guys are misinterpreting it quite greatly.

That being said, I don't really agree with it anymore. I can accept the chapters being on either arc at this point. 21:04, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, Nada hit the nail on the head. 05:18, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

He sure did. Leave them in Dressrosa. 20:29, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I also agree with starting the dressrosa arc with chapter 700. The boundary between 699 and 700 is more evident than the one between 697 and 698: between 699/700 definitely starts DR while ends PH, instead the only reason to choose 697/698 is that the crew left the island. Enies Lobby started when they arrived there, so we are not really making arcs as where is the crew... otherwise we have to create other mini-arcs we currently don't have.

I also agree that dressrosa starts with 700. Well... I think it REALLY starts with 701. This is the chapter where the tension gets restored to lower levels, while previous 4 chapters feel like a climax of a climax of the arc. This is a chapter where I actually feel that something totally new starts. It doesn't really make a sense to start an arc with chapters like 698, 699, or 700, because they are aftermath of something, not beginning. It just does't feel right, and if you look at previous arcs, Oda always starts arcs with chapters like 701, not 698/99 /someone

just poll it