Talk:Uo Uo no Mi, Model: Seiryu

Name
If the mangaplus translation is correct, Linlin said "I gave you that legendary model of the Fish Fish fruit", which means that Kaido's fruit is not the Fish Fish fruit, but rather an unknown model of the Fish Fish fruit. Can someone check the raw?

In the raw it is Uo Uo no Mi no Genjūshu meaning "Mythical Type of the Fish-Fish Fruit". So while that does suggest this fruit is an unknown model, it doesn't really confirm it. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I think that if "Genjūshu" is the same word used for the other mythical models, then there should be no doubt. I mean, what else could it mean "Mythical Type of the Fish-Fish Fruit"? It literally says that it's a type of the Fish Fish fruit, so while there might be out there a standard Fish Fish fruit, it isn't Kaido's fruit. The word "type" wouldn't be casually used there. We are claiming that Kaido's fruit is called Fish-Fish Fruit, which I think there is no evidence for it. I'm not suggesting to remove the page, but we should specify that we are talking about an unknown type.

Mythical is a type of Zoan. There is nothing saying Zoans without a "model" specification cannot be mythical. If the word "model" (モデル) isn't used in the raw, we can't draw any conclusions. 21:03, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

My take is it is the same when Nekomamushi says Jack's fruit is an ancient model of zo zo no mi that means kaido's fruit have a model we just dont know it yet since mama didn't mention it yet but clearly it is not the base form of the fruit.This could be cleared but next chapter or when Kaido's Vivre Card comes out. 01:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Aquatic Zoan
The Trivia section says that this is the only aquatic Zoan, but the Sara-Sara Fruit, Model: Axolotl would also qualify, as axolotl are fully aquatic salamanders. I suppose one could argue that the Sara-Sara Fruit as a whole isn't aquatic, as other models would likely be terrestrial, but the Axolotl Model would definitely be an aquatic Devil Fruit. I propose the section be rewritten to be more along the lines of "this is the second Devil Fruit to be named after an aquatic species, the first being the Sara Sara no Mi, Model: Axolotl, a fully aquatic species of salamander. However, as there are likely other models of the Sara Sara no Mi based on terrestrial salamanders, the Uo Uo no Mi can be said to be the first Devil Fruit exclusively named after an aquatic species." Tokiro7 (talk) 15:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Trivia information on Kaido's Devil Fruit
I wanted to point out that since Chapter 999, came out and we learned that Kaido's Devil Fruit is the Uo Uo no Mi, it shares similarities with a story in Chinese mythology. The story goes, "An ancient tale tells of a huge school of golden koi swimming upstream the Yellow River in China. Gaining strength by fighting against the current, the school glimmered as they swam together through the river. When they reached a waterfall at the end of the river, many of the koi turned back, letting the flow of the river carry them away. The remaining koi refused to give up. Leaping from the depths of the river, they attempted to reach the top of the waterfall to no avail. Their efforts caught the attention of local demons, who mocked their efforts and heightened the waterfall out of malice. After a hundred years of jumping, one koi finally reached the top of the waterfall. The gods recognized the koi for its perseverance and determination and turned it into a golden dragon, the image of power and strength." This shares similarities with the Wano Arc, as one of the ways to enter Wano is to tether a ship to one of the giant koi, which will swim up the waterfall borders. We know that Kaido's Devil Fruit is the Uo Uo no Mi (Fish-Fish Fruit) yet he's able to take the form of an Eastern Dragon. I'm not saying that Kaido was transformed into a dragon, just that with the current information in the Wano Arc, it shares similarities and should be worth putting into the trivia part of Kaido's Devil Fruit. I'll provide a link to the website which provides the details of the legend below. https://koistory.com/blog/koi-fish-meaning-and-myth Zachary1969 (talk) 03:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

That story is already pointed out there. Maybe you should read the trivia?KingCannon (talk) 22:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Kamaitachi
Should we really have "Kamaitachi" listed in the techniques? Kaido never named that, that was something Denjiro said when he saw the attack, so why would that be accepted as a technique name? StoopidGuy (talk) 19:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

We do have precedent for techniques being named by other people. For example, Doflamingo's Black Knight was at one point called "Ito Joker" by Trebol, which we used for a brief time until Doflamingo used the current name.

Another example is Law's "Jinkaku Ishoku Shujutsu", which is officially just an application of Shambles, but has its name based on Doflamingo's description of the technique.KingCannon (talk) 22:46, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Trivia Question
Because of the name: Uo Uo no Mi (Fish Fish fruit), can it be mentioned on Trivia of how this is the first Zoan Devil fruit that is based on a purely aquatic animal (an animal that must live in water for the rest of its life) unlike the amphibious Sara Sara no Mi Axolotl and Ryu Ryu no mi Spinosaurus which are creatures that are suited or capable for both land and water. WhalBP (talk) 06:05, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Axolotls are fully aquatic, they cannot survive outside of water for more than an hour or two at most and do not leave water under natural circumstances. There are species of fish which can survive out of water for longer than axolotls, so to say they're less "purely aquatic" than fish in general is incorrect. DewClamChum (talk) 05:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Alternate transformation?
In the latest chapter (chapter 1042) Kaidou seemed to use a slightly different hybrid form. On pages 6-7, while using Nusubito Jogo, Kaidou seemed to have become a smaller version of his full beast form, with a full dragon head, but a humanoid body. In page 7, he caught Snakeman Luffy in his mouth, but could barely contain him, while in the following page, in full beast form, Luffy is completely in his mouth. This is not an art error, right? (Shadoguardian (talk) 19:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC))

I don't think its a new form. what you said about the panels is true, but when he have Luffy in his mouth you can see the full beast dragon body, and Luffy's legs are visible when Kaidou takes flight. Also. in page 6 Kaidou claims to coping Luffy's movement so the "smaller version" is Kaidou changing directions mid-flight. At best I'd say it is the progressive transformation from half to full beast form. Rhavkin (talk) 19:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Though that beast form isn't a new transformation he definitely has a different Hybrid Form variant that could possibly be an Awakened Form. He first uses it in Chapter 1037 when he uses Warai Jogo Ragnaraku against Luffy while drunk and then he uses it again in 1042 as a Bloodthirsty Drunk to hit Luffy with a Horai Hakke. It's clearly different from the Hybrid Form as its more top heavy than his normal Hybrid Form and has completely different facial structure to his normal hybrid. It even is similarly designed to the Jailer Beasts.SteelSkull4 (talk) 20:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)