One Piece Wiki talk:Community Portal

Writing up what we're striving for
Amongst other things... We need:
 * Welcome section
 * Editing information
 * Bulletin board
 * Collaborations (pages that need expanding.)
 * Resources (basically a list of Policies and guidelines, our standards we are using, etc. I vote first thing we do here is make it clear what names we are using.)

And several other things that I can't think up right now.


 * Set up the basics and added a few things. Some things will need to be corrected.  I hope I won't be the only one looking after this page and Current Events page....  Afterall I'm not the only one on this wikia.  We should all try and figure these pages out.


 * However the other pages are more important to get up so lets not spend too much time on this page until they get set up. Angel Emfrbl 12:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Introduction
Well, I'm bringing this up in order to help make this Wiki a better place for fans, I will start expanding information on characters and the orginisations. Note: I will use the best known terms, and I abhor the 4Kids dub. (Justyn 09:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC))

A small note from me
I apologise for the layout change on our discussion page here... I'm trying to make everything eaiser to find then how we have it on Wikipedia... Basically, putting all the comments and suggestions togther. So we have 'Current Issues' right now (name changable), and then related stuff as sub headlines in that part... I don't want to avoid the mess we have on wikipedia's main One Piece Page. If you hate this idea, you change change it back. Angel Emfrbl 20:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Current Issues
As of right now, I would recommend that we just focus on the articles of the Straw Hat Pirates and the other already existing ones. Creating too many new pages too quickly would make it more difficult that it needs to be to improve the already existing pages. The current plan is that by Friday, October 20, the below should be finished and then a link to this wikia will be provided on the One Piece page of Wikipedia.

Tasks needed to be done Sigmasonic X 23:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Clean up existing pages to remove uneccessary links and expand the information.
 * Conclude what the differences between the articles here and the Wikipedia One Piece articles should be.
 * Create a consistent format for the pages.

Stuff to be Included
Alright, some suggestions on pages I think would be better suited here than at Wikipedia:


 * List of One Piece bounties
 * List of One Piece animals
 * List of One Piece episodes
 * All pages in the One Piece story arcs category
 * List of One Piece games
 * All pages in the One Piece episodes category
 * List of One Piece music
 * One Piece timeline
 * One Piece anime (English adaptation)
 * One Piece manga (English version)
 * List of One Piece locations
 * The movie pages:
 * One Piece: The Movie
 * Jango's Dance Carnival
 * Clockwork Island Adventure
 * Dream Soccer King!
 * Chopper's Kingdom on the Island of Strange Animals
 * Dead End Adventure
 * Take Aim! The Pirate Baseball King
 * Curse of the Sacred Sword
 * Baron Omatsuri and the Secret Island
 * The Giant Mechanical Soldier of Karakuri Castle

That's all I can think of for now... (This is MurasakiSeiko from Wikipedia, if anyone cares. ^^;;)


 * The games list is safe on wikipedia. Its been checked.  But doesn't matter, you could get away safely with it being here and on wikipedia.  82.34.192.189 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC) <Note this reply was made by Angel Emfrbl... Who hasn't signed up to Wikia yet.  Sorry I forgot about that!

Added Pages
I'm currently working on getting the Story Arc pages here. Also, please see here for details on what should be added to this wikia. Sigmasonic X 05:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

-_- Look, the reason this section was made was so that we could keep better track of what everyone is doing and what pages are created, so everyone please add a comment here whenever you make a new page. Anyway, I'll be working on getting all of the Straw Hat profiles here and editting the existing character pages to match the format below. We really should be concerned with getting up pages for the MAIN CHARACTERS before anything else. Sigmasonic X 22:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

One comment
I'd just like to say that, no matter how much you want to, it's probably not the best idea to put the attack page link on the One Piece table on Wikipedia. It really looks bad, is unprofessional, and just doesn't need to be there.

However, if you get this wiki really nice and detailed, I'm sure you could link to it from the One Piece article, and people could easily find the attack list, as well as all the other information you could most likely offer better here than on Wikipedia itself.

Layout
Before we get too deep in things... Lets start by redoing all the pages as we upload them here. For exmaple: the character pages - create a 'standard' format we can use for ALL One Piece pages.
 * A introducetion to the character (usually 'about this character'
 * Stats (usually at the side of the page, but I'd like them to be part of the page for some reason... Though I'm not quite sure of it). In this section:
 * Age
 * Birthday
 * Faction
 * Ocupation
 * Dream
 * Voice Actors
 * Japanese/English names
 * Etc these are examples
 * History
 * Etc, you get the idea.

If we do this, it will make life a LOT easier. Angel Emfrbl 20:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I just fiured out why I felt we do not need those side panel states... The space is tighter here on Wikia oppose to Wikipedia. Basically, the page looks CRAMPED.  Angel Emfrbl 20:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's my idea for the format of the character pages. Of course, sections that don't apply to a character don't have to be included. I think this format should be followed by all characters, even minor ones, though in the case of characters with little information, the sections shouldn't, well, be in seperate sections. They should still be in order, however. This should also be applied to the Wikipedia pages. However, the Wikipedia pages should not include "Major Battles" and some of the "Statistics"Sigmasonic X 07:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Introduction
 * Ex: Monkey D. Luffy is captain of the Straw Hat Pirates and is the main protagonist of the series.
 * Statistics, like Emfrbl's above. Some other possible information could be "First Appearence", "Most Recent Appearence", "Friends", "Enemies", etc.
 * Personality
 * Abilities and Powers, includes "Forms" and general themes of attacks.
 * Ex: Zoro's attacks tend to gain in power depending on the number of swords used, and they all contain puns.
 * History, only talks about events that take place before the main timeline of the series--in other words, before Luffy became a pirate.
 * Present Story (tenative title), talks about what the characters did in the actual present story. For example, while Zoro's vow to Kuina would be included in "History", his fight with Mihawk would be placed here.
 * Current Events, events in recent chapters involving the character that aren't important enough for "Present Story".
 * Major Battles
 * Trivia
 * Related Articles
 * References
 * External Sites, character fansites and the like.
 * Ex: Sigmasonic X is an editor at Wikipedia and a regular poster on several message boards. He was born in the 80s, is a nerd, and can fire energy blasts. When he was a child, he was killed by the moon but was reserrected as a robot. In episode 69 he had sex with a hippo, changing his life forever, and in the recent Ch. 426589 he fought Pedo Bear and lost. Some major foes he fought include, in order, Lord Endionex (ch. 2456) and Pedo Bear (ch. 426589). He once appeared in a videogame called "Dragon Wii vs. The Grand Man in a Pan".

Also, here's what I think we should do with attacks. First, split the attacks into these pages: Basically, break the already existing sections into their own pages. Also, every character with named attacks will be included, not just with 5+. The reason for splitting the page apart lies in the new attack format. For each attack: Sigmasonic X 07:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Individual Pages for each Straw Hat
 * Straw Hat Allies
 * East Blue Pirates
 * Grand Line Pirates and Others
 * Navy
 * Baroque Works
 * Cipher Pol
 * Rokushiki (it already has its own page)
 * Literal English Name Translation
 * Japanese Name followed by Kanji, followed by Japanese Anime Name if different
 * English Manga Name
 * English Anime Name
 * First Use
 * Most Recent Use
 * Description, noting any variations used
 * Ex: Gomu Gomu no Pistol has been used both with Luffy stretching his arm behind him first and without.
 * Analysis, analyzes attack and shows how attack viewed
 * Ex: Despite only being used once in canon and failing that one time, Ten-Thousand Worlds (forgot Japanese name, which would be used in this case) is considered one of Zoro's most powerful attacks and is often portrayed as such in One Piece videogames.

Catagories
I have an idea on how to organize the character pages: group every character under "Category:Characters" or something like that, and in addition, place them under a smaller category like "Category:Navy" or something, and possibly even more precise like "Category:Navy Captain". Also, characters will be placed in other categories like "Category:Swordsman" or something, and the best part is that they will automatically be organized alphabetically. Sigmasonic X 02:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC


 * Sounds good to me... So long as its done correctly. On wikipedia I once had to correct someones error.  Its about time we set up catagories anyway! One-Winged Hawk 05:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay a few suggestions:
 * Pirates
 * Pirate Crews
 * Captains
 * Shichibukai
 * Navy
 * Navy Rank
 * Race
 * Mantra user
 * Swordsman
 * Sharpshooter
 * World Government
 * Ciphor Pol
 * Enies Lobby
 * Will of D
 * Devil Fruit
 * Devil Fruit User
 * Super-Human Strength user
 * One Piece Villian

All I can think of. One-Winged Hawk 14:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

My 2 bits
I just like to say this is a great effort so far guys! I'll try and help this week with my spare time, however next weekend I'll be busy. There is a lot here though, I might add, and not everyone will be easily able to edit these pages... We'll have to see how it goes.

Wikipedia is getting on my nerves right now... All major edits to a page, new pages etc... They get slammed by someone for one reason or another (sometimes I swear there is no way to make a page truly encyclpedic without someone cribbing on it!). At least we have the freedom here to edit as we please! :D Angel Emfrbl 19:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Should we have a directory that lists all the One Piece Pictures? I know several Wikipedia pages (I swear people pick on anime pages on purpose on wikipedia!) that have it and no one complains.  Angel Emfrbl 20:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Here, anyone else getting this bug: Sometimes when you go to the main page here, the discussion page won't go here.  It only wants to go to this page, if I access it via my watchlist.  I don't suppose anyone else has it, I just though I'd mention it. Angel Emfrbl 20:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * So far I've done a bit of info transfering from wikipedia. Is that okay with everyone?  Should be simple enough to cut and paste info off of pages I hope.  My other concern:  Is the Japanese text on the wikipedia pages important here?  Wikia shows them up as 'blank'.  Angel Emfrbl 20:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah before I forget... We have no template here... I it possible to set one up or doesn't Wikia allow that??? Otherwise that means we need a link back to the main page at least on every One Piece page or something. Angel Emfrbl 20:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

We also have to set up the community portal and Current events page... Anyone want to try that task (lol). It would be nice to see a 'welcome' on the current events page at the very least. Somewhere, we should have a list of things to note about the manga/anime/movie/etc... Like how this week there was no manga issue. Angel Emfrbl 20:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

We should also make it clear who is project 'leader' as such (who lists all the jobs and makes the discissions and so forth). Angel Emfrbl 21:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * One last thing... This is my last thought... Where would 'Early One Piece' go then? We need the info on Romance Dawns verison 1 and 2.  Angel Emfrbl 21:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Better then Wikipedia
I think we should make this site far better then Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, you can't add more links, discribe the character's personally, write opitions, or insert "weasel words". This site shall explian the character's in-depth, we shall create pages and to make our own editions without useing content from Wikipedia.

But let's still be careful not to add any assumtion, predications, speculation, rabid-fanbase comment/sentance in any articles in able to keep the site intersting and independance from Wikipedia


 * Well even on wikipedia speculation is not accepted. The only cases are on the World Government page where it has the line about Luffy is expected to be high on the lists... And the Will of D page where they just had written what the two most common theories are as to what it means.  Angel Emfrbl 06:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Plus, we don't have to worry about things being in an in-world perspective; quite the opposite, the wikia pages could be entirely in an in-world perspective. And I am the one that copied a few pages from Wikipedia. My reasoning was, get the basic info up first, then flesh it out. (Justyn 06:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC))


 * I've done a few like that too. Some of the info will have to be shifted around, but at least its here!  :D Angel Emfrbl 07:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Joekido here. I love to see each animals getting there own pages instend of talking about them in one full page. I'm trying to get the One Piece Encyclopedia not to go in the same way as the One Piece Wikipedia. Honestly this section buffles me, One Piece Encyclopedia should have thoustands of pages while we edit the site whatever we like. Look in Star Wars Wookipedia Wikia site for example, they follow there own basic, we never saw them follow the basic in the Star Wars Wikipedia, we should do the same. We don't need this site in One Piece Wikipedia standard, this site should have it's own rules, it's own freedom. Look at Arlongpark.net, I'm trying to get this site similer to that site. We don't need One Piece Wikipedia standard here!

Joekido 6:26, 17 October 2006 (GTM)


 * Ah, I did say you its possible to expand on it... I was just concerned about using individuals names rather then the species. I reverted only to change it back.  Its honestly easier to say 'Dog' then 'Chuchu' and the names of any other dogs that appear later (this is just an example).  One-Winged Hawk 07:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Character Pages
Of course, sections that don't apply to a character don't have to be included. In the case of characters with little information, the categories don't have to be placed in seperate sections, instead opting for a few or even one paragraph containing this information in order.
 * Introduction. This section usually goes untitled.
 * Ex: Monkey D. Luffy is captain of the Straw Hat Pirates and is the main protagonist of the series.
 * Statistics. The logic behind this is that due to the smaller width of the pages here, the tables used on Wikipedia don't look very good.
 * Japanese Name
 * Romanized Name
 * English Name
 * Nicknames
 * Age
 * Birthday
 * Height
 * Affiliations
 * Japanese VA
 * English VA
 * First Appearence
 * Last Appearence
 * Rivals
 * Confirmed Relatives
 * Dream
 * Devil Fruit
 * Bounty
 * Abilities and Powers, includes "Forms" and general themes of attacks.
 * Ex: Zoro's attacks tend to gain in power depending on the number of swords used, and they all contain puns.
 * History
 * Past Story, only talks about events that take place before the main timeline of the series--in other words, before Luffy became a pirate.
 * Present Story, talks about what the characters did in the actual present timeline. For example, while Zoro's vow to Kuina would be included in "History", his fight with Mihawk would be placed here.
 * Current Events, events in recent chapters involving the character that aren't important enough for "Present Story".
 * Major Battles
 * Trivia
 * Related Articles
 * References
 * External Sites, character fansites and the like.
 * Ex: Sigmasonic X is an editor on Wikipedia. He looks like a human and little personal information is known about him. He has the power to edit Wikipedia. In the past, he couldn't even get onto the Internet, but now he can. Recently, he ate dinner. His only major battle was a grand one against Slick Tom and his slick cat friends. Sigmasonic X was playable in "Return of Endionex: The Lamest Story".

Other languages
Something that happens on wikipedia is that we get bots putting languages on every page. Every so often someone from that language turns up there and edits all our work on wikipedia to their language... So, for example, Luffy becomes 'Rufi' and Ussop 'Liar Bo' or whatever it is.

We also have the problem of every so often things like 'the shichibukai are called the Seven Samauri in the German verison. Now if we allow one language set of translations on our page besides English and Japanese, we might as well let all the rest on there too... Resulting in 30+ translations of every name.

Lets try our best to keep everything to English and Japanese only. No other language is important here. Besides ones linked to name meanings and so forth. One-Winged Hawk 14:45, 17 October 2006 (PDT)

No Mods
I created this page by accident One Piece minor characters but we have no templates to put it have for deletation like on wikipedia... And no mods to delete it.

Here are the editors who have made suitable contributions:
 * Sigmasonic X
 * Justyn
 * Cody2526
 * Myself

Lets get a staff together or we'll have trouble later when more people start visiting this place! Two of us should become mods. One-Winged Hawk 07:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Copying Other sites
I know tempatation is to just copy Arlong Park... But can we not. Lets try and create our own unique way of displaying the information rather then using someone elses' work. Its bad enough in some cases I've had to use the stuff from wikipedia in to fill the gap while we set up the site.

If anyone copies another site and the owner complains that we're copying the said site, we have have on hell of a problem here.

Plus, it kinda breaks the rule:
 * You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!

Unless you wrote it youself... Don't just copy and paste. Its different from copying wikipedia because several of us here wrote bits and pieces of the information at some point, in some cases there is no one person that claim a whole set of text is there own work. Plus Wikia is part of the same company. One-Winged Hawk 14:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Aren't you guys copying from Wikipedia? It's the same as me copying Arlongpark.net so we are suppose to set an example and remodel the works

Joekido


 * Joekido I just explained... *sigh*... Jeokido, please try and understand my explainations... Okay... Lets put it another way, okay this is the really long explaination, it repeats some points but contains our problems and some points:


 * Okay lets start with this page: Will of D., see that page there. *I* wrote it primary, so it was my work.  While it is true others have altered it from time to time, I still was the pages creator.  I can say more or less, since most of it hasn't been changed, it is still my work.  I can therefore put it on here with no problems (I wrote 90% of it afterall), no one else can respond and say thats my page, don't put it on here!.


 * Now wikipedia is a site where people come and go, if you don't hang around to keep editing a page, someone else will. You can't expect your page to remain the same after 6 months of asbence.  In that 6 months, it can change so much that another person can completely alter it into their work.  Therefore you can't claim it is primary your work anymore.


 * Most of Wikipedia's pages have at some point been altered quite a bit by the people who are now here, like Sigmasonic X and myself. Therefore its as much as our work now as someone elses and we equally can claim the right to copy and paste info from the site (Sigmasonic X and I along with a few others there practically babysit Wikipedia, doing things like repairing the site). If you work is on Wikipedia, you have the same right to do so too.


 * Also, Wikia is part of the same company that owns Wikipedia, therefore its more or less the same site as such (notice simulair layouts in the left hand template where it says stuff like 'Mai Page' and 'Community Portal'). Its okay to share the info between the sites.


 * Finally, this is being used as an expansion of Wikipedias site, so our data will be loosly based on there anyway. Primary we are doing this because we are limited to what we can do there, most of our work either gets labelled as 'Liftcruft' or 'Fancruft'.  We try to save it but Wikipedia is against it.  We need this stuff because it supports the main articles, but trouble is its hard to make some things encyclapedic. Sadly, the general wikipedia community just writes Delete and ignroes our pleas on the true value of a page.  We are drown out, can't get our point across and basically, keep loosing debates, loosing HOURS of hard work.  Its this or nothing in some cases.


 * Now Arlong Park is a COMPLETELY different site... Therefore its iffy to take info from it even though it is free to do so. Plus, its not the work of the majority of the editors here, its someone elses', unlike on Wikipedia.  As I said, we break the rules taking it from Arlong Park, but not with wikipedia.  Unless you wrote it there, which as with wikipedia, you are entitled to therefore copy into wikia.


 * As I said... All we need is one complaint from someone at Arlong Park, since it is nothing to do with us and thats it. We end up on bad terms.  Though I doubt, since its a simulair site to ours anyway, we'd ever get that, its wise to avoid it.


 * I think Sigmasonic X has explained that eventually, we want to make this have a unique feel to it, different from wikipedia and other sites... Please try to at least understand that. We can rewrite whats on Arlong Park in our own words, and get away with it so long as the difference is notible, but we can't just copy + Paste it here... I hope this clears it up.  One-Winged Hawk 20:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

You must understand, I use to be an editor(Navigator) of that site but my rank and editing rights was revoked due to my stubborn-random attitude problems and talking without knowing what I'm talking about. I use to hold an grudge against the Admin but now I'm not an clumsy pathentic idiot so I'm trying to make this site similer like that site because I was the editor of that site as JoekidotheSecond. I came here because I want to have the freedom to edit again. You have to be an Navigator to edit Arlongpark.net and the site is slow and I believe it's too snobby and I want to make this site bigger then that site so the admin can give up or fuse that site with this site.

Joekido


 * Seriously... You've been nothing but a pain since you came here. Get over it, this isn't Arlong Park.  This is a completely different site.  Don't use Arlong Parks stuff, make up your own.  Its as simple as that.  You'll just get banned when our staff is set up and all and those who are mods have banning powers.  Behave, do proper edits and don't be stupid.  Your latest set of edits are not amusing at all.  One-Winged Hawk 21:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Name Change?
I've been thinking on it, and I want to have my fellow editors comments on my idea.

As I stated in the title of this section, I think that the name should be changed from the, in my oppinion, dull and boring "One Piece Encyclopedia" to a name that implies the connection to the series, I only have one idea at the moment:

Wiki Wiki no Mi

My thought behind it is that it is stating it's connection to both Wikipedia (Wiki) and One Piece (to be precise, the format of Devil Fruit names). I got the idea from the way the Star Wars wikia is named, Wookieepedia.

So, what does anyone think of my idea? (Justyn 18:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC))


 * Wiki Wiki no Mi... Makes me laugh. Its a reaction grabber if anything. Its kinda silly, but better then a name like 'the One Piece Bible'.  I can't think up any names to throw into the cauldron.  One-Winged Hawk 19:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

How about:

ARLONGPARKPEDIA

I'll give it an try right now.

User:Joekido


 * No way! How is that being different from everyone else!  And we haven't had a discussion on it.  I don't care if that was a joke, its not FUNNY.  One-Winged Hawk 21:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)