Talk:Emporio Ivankov

Scratched apearance for now
Seriously, I don't know what gives you the idea that "Iwa appears to be a big person" from a silhouete. --New Babylon 13:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The man on the image is not Emporio, Emporio got long hair.


 * The silhouette is Mr. 2's image like Chopper's image of Hogback.Mugiwara Franky 12:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Iwa and the man who appear in chapter 536 are not the same person, iwa is showed two times with long curly hair. Zio Barbocchia19 March 2009.


 * A person can change their appearance. One-Winged Hawk 13:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, when did we actually see someones appearance match their silhouette from the first time they we're mentioned? The Sichibukai, Hogback, Blackbeard and his crew... I can't remember any. Ramrodder 21:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I have to agree with Zio. Although the chances are likely it is Ivanakov (he's wearing a divided black-and-white coat (symbolizing split characteristics (i.e. he's gay)), drinking wine (usually considered a more "appropriate" liquor for women to drink than beer), and his hand is flaired (nuff' said)), it still hasn't been officialy stated, and so as of right now should be considered speculation until he is formally introduced. --Kingluffy1 22:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I only mean that there is not officially confirmed, i think is better to wait and see what the comic say and do not do speculations. Zio Barbocchia 20 March 2009

Well, yeah, that's kind of what I mean, i guess. it's just can't wait to find out, the tension is killin me! --Kingluffy1 02:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Looking at AP, no one is sure its him too... I think I'm going to agree here. This could be just a lacky of Ivan's for all we know. One-Winged Hawk 07:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Tranvest Vs Gay
You know there is a difference between "gay" and transvestite. A Trans can still still be straight (or bisexaul) even if their. I'll bring upwhat my dictionary says:

"noun" a person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes considered appropriate to the opposite sex.

I'd like to know the EXACT translation of "Okama" and what we SHOULD be writing here. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 15:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The definition of an Okama is a homosexual man or drag queen in Japanese slang. It can also mean a pot, one's buttocks, and a volcanic crater. It's basically like Faggot in America or Bayot in the Philippines which instantly means gay.,, ,


 * Okama and and other types of Drag Queens are generally viewed stereotypically as gay. Also transvestites are normally gay due to the homosexual norms that I understand well enough but don't want to talk about being straight. While Mr. 2 and Iva may never show any full blown homosexual stuff that 4kids would definitely censor, the whole situation with Okamas in One Piece is definitely a gay one especially with Sanji's Hell.Mugiwara Franky 15:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you MF. In particular what confuses me is that Mr.2 says "there is man, there is woman and there is the Okama way" or something along those lines as well as "okama is neither man nor woman". But... I do understand "faggot" since its origins is from the UK, London (and most who use it don't know its meaning). So I get it now.  Its just we seem to be having editing conflicts all the time on Mr.2 and related pages so I thought I'd ask.  One-Winged Hawk 16:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Clamping the Character Referernce
Okay, I squashed the references to other character note in the trivia section... It is becomng far too sepculative. I'm going to say hang out on this one like with Brook's page we did and see if Oda confirms it. I argued previously on Brook's page we allow trivia like this in too easily, and wait I have since backed down, I think we may have to consider stopping unconfirmed characters in the future. Theres a difference between saying Chopper's reference is clearly Rudolf the red-nosed reindeer and a character having references to every other character under the sun.

Any thoughts on that; welcome. This is drifting towards becoming a serious issue again. The only form of speculation we let on is this, everything else we tightly control to our best. I don't know, how does everyone else feel about this? I don't like to sound too much bossy. :-/One-Winged Hawk

Don't worry, your being very reasonable :). I agree that there is an undeniable similarity, but until Oda says something we can't take it further than that. It's like the Eneru/Eminem or Human Brook/Slash arguements. Just because they look the same, doesn't mean Oda was inspired by them.Yugimons 11:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

character reference
im pretty sure that ivankov reference comes from the rocky horror picture show character Dr. Frank-N-Furter

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