Talk:Fansub

=K-F + 4Kids== As I recall when I first went to that site... Didn't they get investigated a couple of summers ago by 4Kids or something. I vaguely remember reading about it. If my memory is correct I'd like to write a note on this page about actions 4Kids have taken against Fansubs. One-Winged Hawk 00:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think they ever actually have... I know people have mentioned it multiple times, but those have all been practical jokes pulled by the admins... Frankly, I doubt it's ever happened; if 4Kids cared, they'd just give 'em a cease and desist order (or whatever it's called), they wouldn't just investigate 'em... I know that's happened with other groups. So, it's possible... but I'm not sure... I'm sure Dythim wouldn't mind answering questions, though, he's pretty much okay to talk to as long as you're polite about it. ^^ --Murasaki 04:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

A couple questions...
Just wondering, how many episodes should a group have before we give them a page? I was thinking 10 or so, but I didn't know what everyone else thought... ^^;;

Also, I don't remember where all our rules are as they're laid out... strangely still, so I'll just ask here: Links to fansub groups are against the rules, right? I'm assuming they're not allowed, but if they are, I thought I'd add the links to the pages, so they'd actually be referenced. XD --Murasaki 02:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think links to the forum is allowed but not to the bit-torrent. A forum is... Well... A forum. But a bit-torrent is a violation of copy-right rules for sure. One-Winged Hawk 07:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But from the forums of the sites, there's a download link normally (I know there is on K-F and Vegapunk, Gerusama never had its own forum, I've never found where ADC's forum actually is), so the links are right there in plain sight... Which is why I was unsure. ^^;; --Murasaki 07:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow... In that case I guess more or less all the forums are taken out. >_<' One-Winged Hawk 08:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Needed
So JSD and I was talking about this page in the chat, and I was wondering if this page is even needed. After all, it does contains websites with illegal fansubs and information on fansubs. And it is desperately in need of being updated. Which mean we would have to update this regularly. There are also probably some incorrect information on here that need to be removed. We also would have to add all of the fansubs on here, if we have to keep it, or at least, all of the famous fansubs. Plus, the scans should go in another page if we do keep it. We also have to fix the mistakes on here, which mean a lot of going though the fansubs' history....

Overall, I think we should delete this page. This isn't exactly useful in my opinion, as quite a lot of people already know where to get subbed episodes, or if they don't, all they would have to do is google "One Piece subbed" or something. 21:55, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think this page should stay because it is a major part in the history of One Piece, and how we've seen it. If this was a small thing, I could understand. But this is something everybody knows about and it's been the only way for most of us to even watch the series. Some information of it is needed, in my opinion, even if it is illegal. I think this page has provided use for many people, and it's not like it's the first unofficial page we have. We have a page for the Unofficial One Piece Podcast and a page about the Mythbusters, both of which acknowledge fansubs. 22:03, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

You do realize how bad piracy is and how that affects FUNimation's and Toei's business? You're seriously going to direct all the fans to pirated videos subbed by fans that pirated them? That's insanity, not to mention kinda of weak counterargument. Fansubs has nothing to with the series directly. They didn't make it, design it, voice it, or anything. They ripped off the episodes from TV when they aried and post them on YouTube and other sites. This is part of the reason the wiki is more like a fansite than an actual wiki. "...how we've seen it"? No, a wiki is a source of information ABOUT the series, not about the the illegal uploaders that subbed them or what we think of the series. They're the reason why Toei and other companies are always being threatened. Having this page containing info on illegal subbers shows that the OP Wiki is just opening the doors and encouraging others to use the subs and other sites to watch the series instead of buying the DVDs.-- Ninja Sheik  22:20, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think we need to do what a good wiki would do: Keep a neutral point of view. Of course we should not condone piracy. But we shouldn't disavow a large portion of how people have watched One Piece for many years. In order to be neutral, we shouldn't promote the use of any of these fansub sites in any of our articles. But we have to acknowledge that a large portion of our OP information does not come from official sources either. Let's not forget that Funimation has a LARGE gap in episodes right now from Water 7 all the way to the Sabaody Archipelago. Not to mention the fact that Funimation (and 4kids too) never translated any of the movies besides move 8. People deserve to know where others were able to watch these things. FUNimation is not our primary source for any of our articles. We do not spell names the same way Funi does, we do not value Funi's information more or less than anyone else's. We are not a wiki devoted to FUNimation's version of the anime. We are just a wiki devoted to the series in all its forms. 23:37, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

@NinjaSheik: Then what about pages like the Unofficial Podcast or the Mythbusters? Those pages, like this, exist because they indirectly play a part in the history of the series. It's moreso the fanbase than the series itself, but I'm a bit against being a wiki that completely ignores real-world things. These pages show how the series has effected the real world, and how in-turn have effected people who watched the series. This page contains valid information on how the series has been seen by people. And besides, we're the biggest One Piece encyclopedia. It's not like fansubs are completely unknown, and some people will want to learn about them. If the information for it isn't here, where else could it be?

And I am actually against pirating. In fact, I would rather fansubs never existed so FUNi and Toei can still go strong. I would rather this page stay, though, with a disclaimer explaining how illegal these things are and are not to be the main way to watch. Give it a link to the official One Piece site and to please support the official release. That way, we still have valid information about real-world things regarding the series and how we've watched it while also supporting the companies who distribute it. 23:43, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Why are you asking me about the Podcast and Mythbusters? I didn't put the links there, did I? That was there way before I came. I want the Mythbusters removed, and if you wanna remove the Podcast, that's doesn't matter to me.-- Ninja Sheik  23:48, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I brought it up because those are controversial pages that many did not want to keep because they are unofficial. I am not against either of those pages. 23:53, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not against the Podcast, either. They have real-life connections with FUNimation, therefore they could deliver important news to the wiki.

How about you just rewrite the article just into defining what fansubs are, and that's it? That way, you keep a neutral view, and you'll be telling the readers what fansubs are. Don't mention any of the fansubbers or any of the sites, just tell them that fansubs are used. I don't like the idea, either, and I hardly think FUNimation would approve with the wiki supporting fansubs in any way and acting like fansite rather than a wiki.-- Ninja Sheik  00:07, September 8, 2012 (UTC)