Forum:Devil Fruit Colorschemes

I've noticed that a good number of the Devil Fruit infoboxes were changed from their original colors to completely different colors. While they appear decorative and all, they are rather inconsistent with other infoboxes found within the wikia. I mean I notice that the infoboxes in the majority of the Straw Hats pages are yellow and red. Shouldn't it follow that standard instead of a completely different one. No one's complained about it before I understand however, I also understand these edits were made by a new user without prior discussion. It kinda breaks alot of protocol if you allow new users to make major edits like these without at least a proper discussion.112.198.249.121 16:19, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'll say the same thing I said on your talk page. He said anyone who wanted to could object, and no one did. Also, the Straw Hats are not Devil Fruits. Their info boxes match their generally assosicated color, so why not take that one step further with the Devil Fruits? The varying color schemes make the pages look a lot less boring. Besides, they are already categorized in other places on the page, so why should the color scheme have to be another? They should stay the way they are.DancePowderer 16:38, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's true that they are not "boring" with the new colors but they really go against consistency. Take a look at Fencing Style, Black Leg Style, Santoryu, and Clima-Tact. They all have infoboxes that follow the Straw Hat colorscheme. If they follow the colorscheme, then why shouldn't the Straw Hat Devil Fruits such as Hana Hana no Mi follow suit? I mean that seems really inconsistent. Should consistency be downplayed for decorations?


 * If so, then what is stopping people from coloring say Zoro's infobox to match his colorscheme rather than the Straw Hats for purpose of decoration. I mean green is more Zoro's color and would certainly make his page more decorative. It would be a better choice at the sacrifice of concistency112.198.249.121 16:56, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's kinda proof that it's causing abit of problems.
 * 1.Aldarinor, a user who appears to have been around at least since August last year, made a similar comment about the Devil Fruit infoboxes here. His edit was reverted with the explanation that the community decided it that way however it was without proof.
 * 2.Klobis, a user who appears to have been around at least since september, made a similar edit. However, his edit was reverted by Jinbe.
 * Now I really don't want to cause problems but is it really okay to favor the edits of a newer user who has only been around since last November. His edits were done in good faith that is certain. But how his edits have been handled is really not following rules. At the very least, it seems rather unfair.120.28.210.73 18:01, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2.Klobis, a user who appears to have been around at least since september, made a similar edit. However, his edit was reverted by Jinbe.
 * Now I really don't want to cause problems but is it really okay to favor the edits of a newer user who has only been around since last November. His edits were done in good faith that is certain. But how his edits have been handled is really not following rules. At the very least, it seems rather unfair.120.28.210.73 18:01, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now I really don't want to cause problems but is it really okay to favor the edits of a newer user who has only been around since last November. His edits were done in good faith that is certain. But how his edits have been handled is really not following rules. At the very least, it seems rather unfair.120.28.210.73 18:01, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

They are suppose to be the same colour so you come to acknolwedge them via the colours. The schemes are suppose to match whats relevent. I sort of feel they should be identical to each other, so we all know thats the devil fruit template. Thats my thoughts anyway and how its been done elsewhere. Also, under no circumstance should something be done purely as personnel perference, or decorations, though this mostly applies to images it could also be argued to be applicable to this circumstance. This would prevent the templates changing colour "because its pwetty". One-Winged Hawk 00:06, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

I was never able to understand that system. It doesn't make sense to me. This way it's easier to associate the fruits individually by color rather than by color category.DancePowderer 06:24, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

No, take the Gura Gura no Mi for example. It originally belonged to Whitebeard, so it should be the color of the Whitebeard Pirates. But now it belongs to Blackbeard, so it would change to the Blackbeard Pirates color scheme. To prevent such a conundrum, let's just use the color scheme that would best represent the power instead of the affiliation. Yatanogarasu 06:34, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, for some fruits, like the Gomu Gomu no Mi, Yomi Yomi no Mi, and Baku Baku no Mi can't really have associative colors, so then it would be best to use colors associated with the fruit. For the ones can have their color association, I agree.DancePowderer 06:41, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

The Gura Gura no Mi at the moment seems to be the only one where group association would be a problem. However, wouldn't it be easily solved the same way character infoboxes are changed when they change alignment. Wasn't Brook's colorscheme before he joined the Straw Hats that of the Rumbar Pirates. His colorscheme changed when he properly joined the Straw Hats. Since the Gura Gura no Mi now belongs to Blackbeard, is there really a confusion in changing it to Blackbeard's color?180.190.156.187 07:53, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Also if the colorschemes are to represent the fruits themselves, wouldn't that pose some problems? Are the colors to be based on the fruit's powers or the actual fruits themselves? If based on powers, that could be hard since some powers don't exactly say color. The Suke Suke no Mi for example is the power of invisibility. The colorscheme for that would have to be yellowish white for both text and background to match the page's color since it's invisibilty. If based on the actual fruits, that would be way harder since only a few fruits have been seen prior to being eaten.

There's also the matter whether certain colors would match the fruits. The Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Daibutsu is colored gold and blue. But shouldn't be gold and a darker yellow. Then there's manga and anime differences. The Zou Zou no Mi makes the sword into a regular colored elephant in the manga while the anime makes it into a white elephant.180.190.156.187 08:07, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

First, I'm a bit disappointed that no one (especially the person that brought it up) informed me about this being a problem. Second, I reverted Klobis edit because I did not understand why, since there was no comment or reason given by him. He also stopped reverting the edits after I further explained why I changed them to a different scheme, giving me the impression that all is fine. So much for that.

Now to the actual topic.

I understand that characters share a color scheme, like the straw hats, or the marines. After all they belong to a certain faction. Going with the same color supports that nicely.

However, I believe that the devil fruits should be handled like an own entity, since their users change over time as well. We have the case with the gura gura no mi and might witness a reincarnation of the mera mera no mi too. Blacklegstyle & clima tact really don't compare, since one describes the unique fighting style of Sanji and the other is a unique weapon made by Usopp for Nami.

Devil fruits, on the other hand, are universal. They are a "natural" part of the one piece world, the user just borrows them for the time being (since they reappear after death).

But whatever, lets have a look at the options we have:


 * 1) Going with the color scheme of the devil fruit user (causes problems if we have 2 characters using the fruit, could also be the reason for major eyecancer - like having a neon scheme paired with a pink-dominated picture...see the old mero mero no mi)
 * 2) Using more or less neutral color schemes for the 3 types of devil fruits (the easy way out, but offers consistency)
 * 3) Deciding individually on colors that "match" the fruit. (causes problems with uncertain fruits, like the suke suke no mi)
 * 4) A healthy mix between matching the fruits power/appearance and the current picture that is used for it. Both scheme and picture compliment each other. A good example would be the Hito Hito: Model Daibutsu, where i used blue and gold because the anime version is used.( means a lot of work and more importantly - talk. But like with certain images: it can be done)

Here is an example of how it would be with option 1.:

http://img840.imageshack.us/i/meromeroold.jpg/

And this is how it could be with option 4.:

http://img265.imageshack.us/i/meromeronew.jpg/

In any case, please stop blaming other users for my edits, 112.198.249.121,120.28.210.73, thanks.

Jinbe 01:49, February 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * For the Devil Fruits being universal, that is true as well as to the apparent power transfer. However, its full explanation has yet to be revealed. I mean we don't know yet or for sure if and how Devil Fruits reappear after death. So far there have only been one Devil Fruit that has had two users. And even then it's a bit questionable how Blackbeard did it. For the Mera Mera no Mi, there is a chance of it resurfacing but that's speculative at that this point. Just because a unique situation has presented itself does not mean it will constantly happen again. For all we know, Oda is probably gonna make just one known user for most Devil Fruits for the majority of One Piece. No different new users, no different past users, just the ones he created.


 * It maybe different but the matter really comes down to being a similar case with characters and associated articles, and which factions they belong to. A number of characters in One Piece tend to change factions at one point of time or another. Changing colors based on their new faction has not been a problem. Why should it be a problem then if a Devil Fruit changed factions when characters changing factions has not been an issue.


 * For using a universal colorscheme for all Devil Fruit is indeed the easy way out but if that's the case, the same argument can be made to characters as well and that kinda requires a major overhaul and creates more problems.


 * On deciding individually based on the fruit, it really is a problem.


 * On mixing things up based on the pic, it's not exactly a simple answer to everything. For the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Daibutsu, the pic being shown so far is that of Segoku glowing gold amidst a dark blue background. That only works if the pic stays constant. The pic is the best representation of the fruit's powers as of the moment. However it has it's problems. If a pic of Sengoku in full buddha mode standing upright without obstruction were to present itself and be chosen, wouldn't that cause a problem or so. Also there is the problem with manga vs. anime. Certain Devil Fruit powers are really different in each medium. The cases with Enel's lightning color and Lucci's initial anime leopard form are most notable.


 * All in all, option 1 is still the best option for the matter. It serves two purposes. It makes the article unique looking and presents consistency. Both not sacrificing each other. The middle ground between the colorful and the constant. The whole mixing up thing is nice looking but sacrifices consistency for decor that is not necessarily consistent in itself for sure.120.28.241.99 07:48, February 16, 2011 (UTC)