Talk:Crocodile

Moved to Talk:Sir Crocodile

New Babylon 10:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Name
I still think it's Sir Crocodile, the Sir being his actual surname. His introbox in Chapter 540, page 15, says so. I even read the RAW scans of that page and saw the "Sir" as part of his name, so it's not just translation issues, but it's his full name. So please transfer everything back to "Sir Crocodile". It seems reasonable. Yatanogarasu 21:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)



I have proof that the surname is "Sir". --Yatanogarasu 00:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

In a SBS as translated here, it is explained that the Sir in Crocodile's name is the same as the honorific Sir.Mugiwara Franky 08:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "Sir" is a title, such English titles can't be translated into Japanese. "Mr" and "Miss" are likewise examples on english titles and are not translated either. It works both ways since "-Sama" and "-Chan" can't be translated into english properly. One-Winged Hawk 19:12, September 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Just because it's derived from the English honorific doesn't mean it's not part of his name. We have a confirmed case of a character who has "chan" as part of her name rather than an an honorific, after all. Even in real life there are people who have the surname "Lord", which is also a title. 75.76.213.106 22:17, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if you read the original Japanese raws when he is introduced you can see that his name is spelled　サー•クロコダイル chapter 155、 the Japanese site when introducing him also calls him サー•クロコダイル: http://www.j-onepiece.com/chapter02/story/story5_1.html. Characters occasionally, including Nico Robin, call him サー•クロコダイル. I was inclinded to think that this was only a title as a Royal Shichibukia until I read chapter 540 in the original Japanese, which still introduced him as サー•クロコダイル. Having the title Sir after being revoked of his status as a Shichibukai. Also this isn't a title of the Shichibukai at all. When Jinbei is introduced, his name is simply stated as ジンベエ not サー•ジンベエ. Most of every Japanese sites also refer to Crocodile as Sir Crocodile. So why is there no mention of the Sir on his page. So yeah I agree Mr.S 14:50, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also that SBS does not prove your claim at all. All it proves is Oda likes to joke around when answering SBS questions, something everyone pretty much already knew.
 * Well if you read the original Japanese raws when he is introduced you can see that his name is spelled　サー•クロコダイル chapter 155、 the Japanese site when introducing him also calls him サー•クロコダイル: http://www.j-onepiece.com/chapter02/story/story5_1.html. Characters occasionally, including Nico Robin, call him サー•クロコダイル. I was inclinded to think that this was only a title as a Royal Shichibukia until I read chapter 540 in the original Japanese, which still introduced him as サー•クロコダイル. Having the title Sir after being revoked of his status as a Shichibukai. Also this isn't a title of the Shichibukai at all. When Jinbei is introduced, his name is simply stated as ジンベエ not サー•ジンベエ. Most of every Japanese sites also refer to Crocodile as Sir Crocodile. So why is there no mention of the Sir on his page. So yeah I agree Mr.S 14:50, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also that SBS does not prove your claim at all. All it proves is Oda likes to joke around when answering SBS questions, something everyone pretty much already knew.
 * Also that SBS does not prove your claim at all. All it proves is Oda likes to joke around when answering SBS questions, something everyone pretty much already knew.


 * In the data book there is no sir, and it is likely that it is a title not a surname like the Dr from Hiluluk in the same link you provide. Concerning the SBS, if it was its surname, I'm pretty sure Oda would have said it clearly instead of making a joke. maybe we can add the sir to the list of the epithet so that there is a mention of it in the page. Kdom 19:25, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

"Weakness"
Crocodile was originally a woman who, through his interactions with Ivankov (as well as the latter's powers) became a man, since Crocodile at that time believes that the title of Pirate King cannot belong to any member of the fairer sex

Says who? That sounds like really bad fanfiction. Drunk Samurai 09:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * A lot of Paul Slash's edits recently have been disappointly bad. Paul, please knock it on the head.


 * Well not all of it, right?


 * Also, please sign all discussion posts with ~ thanks. One-Winged Hawk 13:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Long title's
these long title are pointless they don't add anything to the artical information wise, A title should be short and give a hint to what the section is about, these long titles seem like an attempt make the artical "poetic" or somthing, there useless and contribute nothing--67.247.143.113 00:48, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

The titles are like this in every character article. Get used to it.Buh6173 01:49, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

no need to get nasty about it, but thes long titles are useless to the artical, they were fine the way they were and the change isn't need, short and simple is better--Swg66 03:18, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

This is the format of the entire wiki. It adds a little bit of flair to the article, I guess. Either way, it's not going to change any time soon, so stop changing the titles.Buh6173 04:00, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

There's adding a little flair ad there's overdoing it, you changed it from it's orgnail format first which was enough, "chasing Ace" was fine but now it's like a short sentence, besides flair isn't needed, it's usless to the artical and isn't needed so ytu stop changinf the titles there fine the way they are--Croc117 04:11, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

--Croc117 02:04, September 20, 2009 (UTC)That's the section's title in other articles; we just had never gotten around to changing it on Crocodile's page. And now we have, so it's all good. Buh6173 04:35, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

no, not all the pages--Croc117 04:52, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

How interesting. One person complains about them then a user who has hardly made any edits at all agrees with them. Drunk Samurai 08:06, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

what--Croc117 00:23, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

It means you are obviously the same person. Drunk Samurai 01:19, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

oh cause heavens forbid that two people agree with each other, i'm mean that's not even possible, what kind of world would it be if people agreed, and imaginary one that's what, how could two people even have the same opinion, that's totally impossible--Croc117 01:40, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

So you two happen to edit at the same exact time? Yeah. That is very likely. This is just like the Mero Mero no Mi page all over again. Drunk Samurai 01:56, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

your out of line, besides that fact you can't prove any of what you say, your just a bitter person who if someone dosn't agree with yo there an idiot and you can't even believe there wright--Croc117 02:04, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

At least try to spell properly when making your invalid point.

Oh, and Drunk Samurai, how do you feel about the long title business? Swg and Mugiwara Franky are going around and converting the title to "Current Events". I think that's a little silly, but what do you think?Buh6173 17:11, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter either way for the latest one. Current Events or whatever title. As long as it doesn't say "Current Events (Spoiler)" None of the others should be changed though. Drunk Samurai 17:42, September 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Drunk Samurai, please do not bite the newcomers. For this case, we can't prove right away if they are the same person. The first comment was made by an anon. Croc117 maybe the anon but so far nothing underhanded seems to be doing.


 * For the long titles thing, while your choice of titles Buh maybe more dramatic and with more flair, Current Events is not silly as it best describes the section at the moment. The more decorative title can describe the events to a certain point, however it has the problem of being constantly changed especially if the outline of a character's involvement in a certain point in the story isn't fully clear or shown.


 * Current Events (Spoiler) is not so bad as it warns some people to a certain degree of spoilers. True spoilers are expected in the wikia, however giving a little warning is not harming anyone. If you DS see it as being stupid, that's just bitter towards others.Mugiwara Franky 12:26, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

The IP was obviously just Swg who wasn't logged in. I was saying both Swg and Croc are the same person. They don't need a warning at all. If they get spoiled then it's their own damn fault for reading a wikia that is full of spoilers. Drunk Samurai 17:21, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

i don't care about spoilers for my self, but some people do,you see i consider wt other people might want you should try it some time, and i'll just say it right now we are not the same person we may have similair views but we are to different people, and I don't care for your accusations, it's uncalled for and uproven--Croc117 18:41, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Amputee?
Was it definetely confirmed anywhere that he really lacks his hand? El Chupacabra 15:13, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well it was definately confirmed drawing him with a hook was a mistake on Oda's and definately confirmed confirmed he HAS a hook. Lol.


 * Sensible answer - I'd say "yes". ;-) One-Winged Hawk 21:56, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

He mastered the Devil Fruit Suna Suna no Mi
When was comfirmed that Crocodile mastered his DF?


 * I think it was back in the Alabasta arc when Vivi as well as Luffy's crew were captured by him. Someone will have to check up on it. I have a headache right now (evening time for me), but I will check up on it myself tomorrow if no one else does. One-Winged Hawk 21:54, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Crocdile's categories?
I been sort of organzing, who does and who doesn't belong in the category villains, and I finally have to face the challenge that is Crocodile. I intend to put him in the villains category (because I feel that is where he belongs regardless of anything else) even thou he has shown in the recent chapters some former villain tendencies. My problem with Crocodile is that he's such an eternal turn coat that I don't quite know where to put him. I mean he definitely could qualify in the Whitebeard War Saga Villains (Because he attacked Whitebeard & co) and Whitebeard Allies categories (because of 578, although more due to circumstances than any real desire to be helpful to the whitebeard pirates), my question is: should I put him in both?--Uncanny Ultrabeast 10:16, March 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * For Crocodile, he's kinda a question indeed. He's not exactly a Whitebeard Saga Villain despite attacking Whitebeard and various pirates at certain times. Attacking Whitebeard in the chaos can be considered as villainous but he's not exactly an antagonist per say as he's helped Luffy and the rest in one way or another. However due to him attacking Whitebeard, he can't be an ally exactly either, at least one that can be fully trusted.


 * From the way things have been turning out, Crocodile is apparently just doing stuff by his own standards. He's not truly siding with anyone. He's neither fully an antagonist nor fully an ally. He's a gray area at most in current events.Mugiwara Franky 11:45, March 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * That pretty much sums up my take on the guy too. So I will not be overloading him with unnecessary categories.--Uncanny Ultrabeast 11:50, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Odd way to start relationships
Why does his relationships paragraph start out with what he had with Robin and not something more vague to start out with? It seems like a bad way to just start something off right from the bat with no foundation of his whole crew or something more broad.

Daniel March 25 6.23 pm

Crocodile one of the strongest characters?
-_-U How he could be one of the strongest characters?

He is one of the weakest characters, Base luffy was enoguh for defeat him

the only reason luffy beat him in alabasta was that crocodile didnt use his df powers before it was to late to turn the fight around. also for a proof of his current strength, he was able to stop akainu single-handedly(something that two WB comander's, Curiel and ace was unable to do) and fight on equal footing with donflamingo(that was easily able to handle jozu).Biropg 22:40, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thoguh Luffy didnt have gears yet.

Akainu was distracted and Crocodile s attack only served to buy time, something that a ROOKIE (Apoo) did too with Kizaru

His fight with Doflamingo was off panel, how can you say that he was equal with him?

1. He has a Logia fruit's abilities.

2. he nearly killed Luffy 3 times in their duels, each time Luffy survived by pure luck (two of the three times Luffy new of his weakness to liquid).

3. Luffy's gears don't really mean anything against Logia users, only knowing their elemental weaknesses and haki has been proven successful, not saying a Water Jet Bazooka wouldn't be affective, but something tells me the speed of the attack would dry his hand before it reached Crocodile's body but that's just pure speculation.

4. Does the title Shichibukai mean anything to you?

5. Yes most of Crocodile's most recent fights where off panel, but the fact of the matter is his clashed against the likes of Doflamingo and Mihawk and came out of the war pretty much unscathed, that speaks for something.