Template talk:Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance Gallery

kid is a leader now if yes what section should his crew be under
the Kid Pirates are shown joining alliance in recent chapter he is leader of his own crew/group just like law and luffy and momo and neko/inuTo love this (talk) 14:43, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

A leader of a group in the alliance is different from one of the leaders of the alliance. Hyugoro is the leader of the yakuza, Kin'emon is the leader of the Scabbards... Rhavkin (talk) 15:05, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

no it is not if u are leader of a group in alliance u are a leader in the allaince law luffy momo inu and neko are all leaders of there own groups same as kid is. he is a equal to them
 * hyogro is not leader of all yakuza or even his own group currently he has respwct of other leaders but is not in charge of all of them
 * Ok we are not doing this again the Nine Red Scabbards are not there own group they fall under the kozuki famiy same with kyshiro family nowTo love this (talk) 15:12, March 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * A leader in the alliance is not a leader of the alliance. Kid was not one of the leaders who formed the alliance.
 * The yakuza bosses from Udon treat Hyogoro as their leader, even if they were from different factions in the past, now they are all under his leadership.
 * I'm not saying they aren't, just that there leaders of groups in the alliance who are not leaders of the alliance.

Rhavkin (talk) 15:59, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

There is no indication that Kid joined the alliance:
 * When Luffy called out to him after he showed up, Kid stated that he did not want them to have all the glory for taking down Kaido.
 * Neither Luffy, Law, nor the samurai were aware that they would run into Kid, and Kid referred to the waiting samurai he encountered earlier as obstacles to him.

I wouldn't go so far as to plainly say Kid is only going to Onigashima to take down Kaido himself, but right now that seems more likely than him officially joining forces with the alliance, based on what we know right now. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:10, March 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * yes it is those not matter if he wasnt there when first was formed kid joined this alliance he not taking orders from any of them he has same amount of authority


 * no they do not they respect him and listen to him alot but he is not there leader


 * last time I am saying this they are not there own group they fall under kozuki family they are a sub group so the nine,the kyoshiro family, and my Amtyama thieves all fall under this so no kinemon would never be consider a leader because momo is his

if that's the case kid pirates shouldn't be on this page anywhere yet but if we agree they joined the alliance kid should be under leader section and his group under membersTo love this (talk) 16:17, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

They are just like the Grand Fleet and G-5, but we can't ignore them working together toward a certain goal, which is what alliances are. Maybe we should have "Allies" separate from "Other Members"? Rhavkin (talk) 16:21, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

ok grand fleet and g-5 shouldnt even be on this page
 * grand fleet falls under straw hats sense they are only loyal to them / affilated with them really its same thing for nine and other groups loyal to kozuki family


 * G-5 was never really ally to them they juat did t try to stop themTo love this (talk) 16:25, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

This page was originally about the Straw Hat-Heart Pirates Alliance, which then evolved with the Minks and Samurai present. With this in mind, having the G-5 and the Grand Fleet there is not wrong since they joined forces with the original alliance.

Kid at most is an reluctant ally like Smoker. He's not really a leader or anything of the sort.KingCannon (talk) 17:04, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

kid controls a faction that would be part of alliance he isnt like other people under ally section saying he isnt leader ia bascically saying he below those who are and smoker wasnt trying help bring kaido down he just helping his man escape.To love this (talk) 17:12, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Smoker did more then that: even after his men were saved, he did not arrest the Straw Hats nor Law, something he wasn't against after Alabasta, and his actions against Ceasar and Doflamingo hirt Kaido.

Either way, the topic is about Kid status within the alliance, not the Kid Pirates being allies, so stop removing them from the template. Rhavkin (talk) 18:23, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

the discussion is about should kid pirates be consider members of alliance and if yes were should they be placed so until we all come to agreement of more info is revealed stop changeing the gallery follow the rulesTo love this (talk) 19:10, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

There is a difference between being a member and being an ally, as I mentioned three hours ago. Also, the Kid Pirates were listed as allies for a week since 974 came out, according to the rules, if you had a problem with that, you should have talked about it then. Right now, you're just saying that since they are not included as you think they should, they shouldn't be included at all. The work with the alliance, and will continue to do so until shown otherwise. Thus they should be included in the allies section of the template. Rhavkin (talk) 19:44, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

this last time i am saying this this is discuisson if they should be on this page and if yes were should they be listed it doesnt not matter if they were there for a week or a year as soon a discuission is made the page is to be revert back to before it was made until this discuisson is done and we all make majority agreement they will stay removed if u dont like that rule go talk to admins about changeing it but until then u will follow this rule just like rest of us have to. memebrs are groups straw hat pirrates kozuki family mink tribe and heart pirates l, the kid lirates are group led by guy who is not member of sub member of any of those groups so again my postion is they are not allies they are members of this allianceTo love this (talk) 20:56, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

First of all, if you think you can revert a year long edit because you don't like, let me inform you that you're wrong. After an edit there is a grace period of few days, and afterwards that is the template, any any changes, even reverts, needs to be discussed before the edits are made, not after you start an edit war. Learn the rules before you preach them, especially since you are preaching them wrong.

As for your poor arguments, Law has no jurisdiction over the Straw Hats as seen in chap 930 page 13 when Usopp refuse his orders. The Yakuza doesn't follow Luffy orders as seen in chap 952 page 10. Those are proves of a leader without jurisdiction, and a sub group that does not follow a leader. Kid is aiding them in the takedown of Kaido, thus he is an ally.

So the Kid Pirates are part of the alliance forces, and Kid is not one of the leaders of the alliance, so they are just allies. Rhavkin (talk) 21:29, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

1)Go and read the rules when talk page is made to discuss a edit past or present the edit it to be removed until the discuisson is done does not matter how long it been up until the tlk page is done u leave as ot was before the frekaing edit happen so stop acting like child and grow up and follow rules just like rest us and dont start edit war because u dont like it learn to wait if others agree they go back up if they dont it stays down but until either one follow the rules. your edits do not superseded anyone else we follow rules u do the same.

2)take five seconds and think just five there are three sections for this page leaders l, memebers and allies are kid pirates subordinate group like grand fleet answer no are they un organzation group that all fall under a generic name like yakuza no they are not are they a singular person who kot offically affilated with group but still claim loyalty to them like riku family elizbeth or tama l etc answer is NO but guess what they are a singular core group that follow command of one specific person YES they are they follow kid same way straw hats follow luffy heart pirates follow law and kozuki family follow momo because just like them kid represents his crew in this alliance making him a leader if we use your poorexcuse for argument then then there be no need for memebers section at all it just be leaders and allies

and wow so your agrument is because in scence that obivously comical usopp refuse to listen laws order of dieing instead snitching about there plans as proof that leaders do not have jurdiscation and really i wait what order did luffy give yakuza did they not follow go ahead tell me?

the kid pirates are members of alliance not allies and kid is a leader because of that fact To love this (talk) 22:00, March 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * 1) Here are the rules, which clearly stat (twice) that a page should stay as it was before the edit war, and this this started when you added Kid to the leader section, the Kid Pirates in the allies section is the original. KNOW THE RULES BEFORE YOU PREACH THEM! Unless you can provide a rule that says otherwise, and source it, stop undoing the edits.
 * 2) What make you think those are the criteria for those sections? Who said the allies are just subordinate groups, group of generic name, or single person? Allies, as shown on the section can be a number of different thing, like groups affiliated with one of the key members (SHGF), an independent group that works with the alliance but is not part of them (G-5), a person who works with the alliance but is not part of them (O-Lin), and even someone who helped the alliance without even being part of their plans (Elizabello). There are no rules to being allies, so don't try saying that because they don't fit a category other allies fit into, then they are not allies.
 * 3) The scene being "obviously comical" is your opinion, and the Yakuza in the chapter I mentioned, after joining Hyogoro, try to kill Luffy, who told them to let him go, but only listen to Hyogoro, who isn't a leader of the alliance, proving that being a leader of the alliance doesn't give you authority over all of it's members.

Rhavkin (talk) 06:23, March 21, 2020 (UTC)

Mt. Atama Thieves and Kyoshiro Family(when chapter is officially relase)
these groups do not need be in this ally secion both of there leaders are memebers of kozuki familyTo love this (talk) 21:02, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Former members of the family who only recently joined. The groups were formed outside of the family. Rhavkin (talk) 21:34, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

really ok when did Denjiro leave the kozuki family go head tell me chapter this happen in u cant cause never happen?

Kyoshiro Family is a yakuza family so even if we use your way of thinking ally sections it would make zero sense  to have them right next to gallery that says yakuza.

Ashura Doji is member of kozuki family once again he not leader  like  he surbinate.he rejoined he is leader of that group it lirteally implyed any one loyal to him is loyal to kozuki family  them. sayikg they should be under gallery section is like saying Inuarashi Musketeer Squad  need a spot under alliesTo love this (talk) 22:09, March 20, 2020 (UTC)