Forum:Can luffy go up against an admiral or smoker now.

Would be better if u used a blog 19:36, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

We don't know, because he hasn't fought them yet. That's about all you can say. 19:37, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

An Admiral and Smoker are not the same, I think he can tie/barely beat Smoker but would lose against an Admiral. 19:58, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

You're forgetting that Oda likes to let his characters exceed expectations. I think that Luffy's on par with a young Gold Rodger now that he has decent Haki control. He still has a lot of growing left to do, but I'm betting that Smoker doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating him. Regular admirals and weak shichibuka may give him a challenge later in the series, but only the toughest guys in the storyline are capable of beating him now.

Well you have to remember that Smoker also as a recurring opponent is getting stronger, he is supposedly the Garp counter part. And what do you mean by, "Regular admirals and weak shichibuka"? 23:10, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

If "weak shichibukai" can give him a problem, then who were Moriah and Crocodile? Super-weak Shichibukai? 01:26, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think it really depends on who specifically he's up against. I don't think you can simply say "he can beat an admiral" because even within the Admirals, there's such a huge difference in power. I personally think that Luffy could probably just barely beat Aokoji now (or in the near future), and he could fight but not beat Kizaru, and has no chance of beating Akainu. One thing I've realized is that Luffy has yet to have one of those fights that last many days that other people in the series have had. I would guess that when it comes time to fight one of these super-powerful characters from the first half, he'll have one.

With Smoker, the situation in my mind is more interesting. Smoker is one of few enemy characters that's shown to be improving throughout the series. Most enemies we see always seem to be content with their current capabilities and always trust that they can beat whoever comes along. Most recurring enemies don't seem to be doing this. Early on Smoker was far more powerful than Luffy. But now that Luffy can hit him, I think that Luffy could beat him in a tough fight. However; because both characters are always improving, I think as the series goes on, they will fight many times, and it will always be a tough fight. There will never really be a time where Luffy is on a whole different level than Smoker. (except for the end of the series, maybe)

And you can never say that Luffy is "on par with a young Gold Roger" because Luffy is probably always on par with a young Roger. If the two characters are really supposed to be as similiar as Oda leads us to believe, then Roger probably nearly died just as many times as Luffy has (and will continue to do) throughout his journey. Roger wasn't always the most powerful pirate on the sea, it's just because Roger was successful in his journey that he became known as that.

I mostly agree except for the huge power gap between Admirals thingy, Akainu is not much stronger than Aokiji, in fact I think if you put against a random opponent they are about equal. Which was proven when their fight lasted ten days with both sides suffering serious injuries. In my opinion, Akainu only managed to win because his devil fruit has an edge over Aokiji's. Similarly Kizaru in my scaling is about equal to the other two and as of now they are still way ahead of Luffy in power. If Luffy beats one of them now it would be solely owing to plot armor. 03:27, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Throughout the whole series, Luffy has been compared to Rodger. He has the same carefree attitude. He visits the same places. He runs into people associated with Rodger. He has the "D". Powerful people like Shanks, Silvers, and Jinbe can sense his potential and help him, even at great personal cost. Therefore, he is like a "young Rodger". I stand by that. I also re-iterate that he has more growing to do or the series would be boring. That being said, logia types, as Pekoms has demonstrated, are not used to fighting people with a lot of haki. I think Luffy can mop the floor with Smoker and weak shichibukai that he has already beaten like Moriah, Crocodile, and (a guess here) Buggy. He's not on par with Kizaru, Aokiji, or Akainu yet. Admirals of lesser rank would likely give him a good workout though.