Talk:Nekomamushi

"King"
Calling him a "King" in his occupation doesn't sit right with me. "King of Night" is sort of a nickname, isn't it? Like Rayleigh is called "Dark King" and Roger was "King of the Pirates". It's not an authoritative position. It's clear that it's the Mokomo Dukedom, not the Mokomo Kingdom. And Inuarashi is the duke. Nekomamushi is called 'master', and even 'big boss' of Whale Forest. So, in my interpretation, he's more of a ruler in the sense that he's influential and has a lot of supporters, while the official ruler of Dukedom is Inuarashi. They both lead Mokomo during their respective shifts, but if they were invited to meet with the other World leaders, the Duke would go. 19:34, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ahh, that looks better. 19:42, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

Okay so the problem with this Duke/King business is that Oda is all over the place when it comes to sticking with one title, so this took me a while to process as well. To be clear, the terms he uses are 公爵 (Duke), 公国 (Dukedom), 王 (King), and 旦那 (Master/Old Man). The instances in which he uses "Duke" include: While the instances in which he uses "King" include: Now this is confusing as fuck, because in english, we have this concept that "King" is above "Duke". However, it should be noted that in japanese, the term for "King" (王) can also be translated as "Ruler", in which case these paradoxical statements listed above would all make sense.
 * Inuarashi's usual title
 * Country's title (Dukedom)
 * King of the Day/King of the Night (arguable just an epithet type thing)
 * Wanda's line "The Mokomo Dukedom is ruled by two Kings..."
 * Wanda's next line, "The official King of this country is Duke Inuarashi... but Master Nekomamushi holds an equal amount of power..."
 * Jack's response when he sees Inuarashi "The King.. of this country...?!"

To summarize, Mokomo is a Dukedom. Inuarashi is listed as the "official ruler" of Mokomo Dukedom, hence goes by the title "Duke". However in reality, Nekomamushi, though not official, is also seen as a ruler with equal status to that of Inuarashi, and together they are known as "The Ruler of the Day" and "The Ruler of the Night". 20:27, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

So are you suggesting we should just use ruler everywhere, if it means the same as king? 20:40, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

For everwhere we use "King" involving the Mokomo Dukedom, yes. 20:41, December 4, 2015 (UTC)

This may be just me, but the way I'm reading it is that Inuarashi is the official ruler of Mokomo Dukedom, whilst Nekomamushi is the unofficial one who acts at night. Kind of like a highly public underworld boss, like the yakuza. (Shadoguardian (talk) 08:08, December 14, 2015 (UTC))

Western Culture Trivia
So, apart from Nekomamushi looking significantly like the most prevalent design of the Cheshire Cat, it seems clear to me that his attitude and notably his eating lasagne is a reference to the famous Garfield. If anyone disagrees, I suggest we talk it out here as is the rule, instead of removing trivia without bothering to give a reason.

12:57, January 31, 2016 (UTC)