Talk:Episode 575

Lily shrinks in the sea
Error? ==

Uhm... Why would the giantess Lily shrink from being tossed into the sea? Isn't that an error? Her ability shouln't become active at all. Or if it is drained, which doesn't happen as shown when Nojiko and Gen stretch Luffy's neck in Arlong Park, shouldn't Lily actually become even larger? -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 18:41, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

She said that the tiny form was her natural form now. Probably lost control of her DF or something. 18:53, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Then there's even a third contradicting piece... Going by Chapter 685, only the artificial DFs so far enforce a new body form on the user with uncertain outcome whether or not they can transform back. None of the Paramecia fruits have been overwriting the body attributes in such a matter. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 19:03, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * You are forgetting that the same thing happens to Chopper... when he fells in the sae he doesn't turn back in his animal form.


 * Hm, but he's a Zoan after all, not Paramecia. Could be Toei had Monster Chopper in mind. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 19:10, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Even if it's a zoan, both cases are weird... they shouldn't happen as far as we know.


 * Maybe because they spend so much time in their Devil Fruit forms, their bodies adapt it into their natural forms. Or maybe Oda just made it easier for them to be pulled out of the ocean. 19:14, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, Monster Point is a result of DF and Rumble Balls anyways, so it has to be a special case as Monster Point is a special form.
 * But on a quick look, whenever Chopper jumps into the sea, he comes out the same way. And in Chapter 493, we can't see whether Chopper jumps in as Heavy or Brain Point. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 19:19, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

If she says that the tiny form is her natural form, and these episodes are non-canon, I wouldn't get broken up about the specific rules of DFs. Based on what's been said in the episode, it's true. 20:07, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Anyway that's how it is, no need to overthink.