Talk:Shirahoshi

Size
Can we consider her size to be equivalent to Giants? It sure looks like it to me. Yatanogarasu 02:10, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of size, how in hell did otohime deliver a baby of that size? Even as a infant she was huge. It just doesn't seem physically possible, even by one piece logic.

She was probably born small and had a massive growth spurt.

One that continued even when she was just four years old? I doubt it.--Lordxehanort 20:22, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

She resembles her father in size.Speaking about size she does resemble to Giants but she is meremaid. 05:07, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Boa Hancock comparison
"Shirahoshi is described by many as one of the most beautiful woman in the world, even surpass Boa Hancock in terms of beauty."

Shirahoshi and Hancock were never directly compared. The Risky Brother said "Even the terrible pirate empress Hancock was overwhelmed by the beauty of the mermaids!!" and the mermaid princess wasn't even mentioned until Pappug brought her up in chapter 497. It's never said that she's the most beautiful mermaid either. 71.161.229.36 06:08, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * It appears that she was indeed not mentioned and it was probably a mistranslation. I checked both cnet128's translations and the scanlations by Franky House and Null, without finding a single mention of her name or her royal status as a Mermaid Princess. I'm guessing that the source of this came from some early spoiler scripts. Thanks for spotting that! MasterDeva 08:59, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Was there ever a translation that had the Risky Brothers mention the Mermaid Princess? Because I distinctly remember them mentioning her (I remember remembering the name "Mermaid Princess" when Papugg mentioned her during the Saboady Archipelago arc), but going back to the chapter now has the quote that 71.161.229.36 mentioned above. Right now I'm reading it on mangashare, while I originally read it on onemanga. Did the two sites have two different translations?Son of God-Enel 03:46, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably. The translations tend to vary slightly from manga site to manga site. I wouldn't be surprised if you got two different translations.DancePowderer 04:39, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably. The translations tend to vary slightly from manga site to manga site. I wouldn't be surprised if you got two different translations.DancePowderer 04:39, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably. The translations tend to vary slightly from manga site to manga site. I wouldn't be surprised if you got two different translations.DancePowderer 04:39, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just read the talk. Actually, it is stated in 1st page 4th panel of chapter 618 that 「the "Mermaid Princess" is the most beautiful woman in this world, overwhelming even the Pirate Empress' beauty」by Sanji. 03:20, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

30 years?
Her tail has not yet split in two, it's quite obvious. So she's UNDER 30.

At one point in the chapter, she lies on her stomach and is seen swinging ther two feet, what more confirmation do you need of a splitted fin? Yountoryuu 20:19, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Actually i think she's swinging her single tail, and the doubling effect is simply to show motion.

I don't believe it. She' definitely doesn't look about 30. Kemi is younger than her and looks more older than Shirahoshi. I also thought she was just swinging her tail.FoolishMortalFOOL 23:11, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * She confirmed that their split twins merge into one because they were joint in the previous chapter. One-Winged Hawk 23:12, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * She is swinging her tail, you can see motion lines in between and Kokoro's tail turned into webbed feet when her tail splits, not two regular tails like what we see on the panel.Masgrande 18:15, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, she looks more like she's wagging her tail rather than having two. Also from what we know, mermaid tails split down the middle. Neither image looks like a tail split down the middle.120.28.210.73 18:44, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, she looks more like she's wagging her tail rather than having two. Also from what we know, mermaid tails split down the middle. Neither image looks like a tail split down the middle.120.28.210.73 18:44, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I must admit after re-reding it, split tailed mermaids don't have the same shape, so she is indeed swinging her tail, the illusion is because the funny way Oda's drawn her tail as she is doing it.One-Winged Hawk 21:45, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Haoshoku Haki
Before starting an edit war, can we decide if Shirahoshi has the Haoshoku Haki (King's Disposition)? leviathan_89  16:24, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

No one from the crowd fainted which is a sign about Haki..Maybe Miosgard fainted because of the Sea Kings..Maybe it has something to do with a different ability...I say we should wait and see.. 16:27, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think Miosgard fainting was more of a result of bloodloss/shock at the seakings. Remember, Jinbe can call Whale Sharks too but without Haki.--Panda 16:29, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

He fainted completely out of shock at the arrival of multiple Sea Kings. Shirahoshi wasn't angry when she called out, she was scared and upset. She did not use Haoshoku Haki. I knew this would come up. 16:32, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Shirahisi's ability to command the sea king to intimidate the enemy is a clear possibility. Apparentley, haki is possible to manifest by other living beings such as seakings (but this theory is very uncunny).

It is implied that she can literally control/ call the sea kings, not just scare them away. Decken made a huge fuss about this unique and legendary ability - haki isn't legendary on fishman island, it isn't regarded as some extra-ordinary thing - at least Fukaboshi's reaction to Luffy implies that.

In any case, I'm against calling this ability King's haki (yet), even if it is. 17:23, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

this why I brought this up... but let's summarize the point in favor and not:

Not in favor:

In favor:
 * Calling sea creatures out is a merfolk abilities.
 * Miosgard fainted because of the shock and the fear of seeing the sea kings.
 * Only Miosgard fainted and after seeing the sea kings.


 * Seeing the reaction of the townspeople and hearing the Decken' story, those kind of sea kings can't be normally summoned (not dominated).
 * Miosgard foamed at the mouth.
 * Shirahosi reacted to the threat against her mother, that's why only Miosgard fainted.

At the present I also agree to wait because the points "not in favor" are stronger. leviathan_89  17:28, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

It isn't haki. People can pass out foaming at the mouth from things other than haki, like Sea Kings appearing right in front of you out of nowhere and eating your ship. Besides, Shirahoshi's yell had no angry undertones, it was only out of fear. All other instances of haki being used unknowingly have involved anger of some kind. 17:30, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Example:Chopper is always seen foaming at the mouth when he is scared... 17:32, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

When in doubt, don't add it, simple as that. No information is better than possible wrong information. 17:34, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah wait for next chapters to show if she do possess haki. ... 17:39, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's wise to wait before adding anything yeah, but it still MIGHT be Haki. Her mother Otohime was a natural Haki user, and Haki DOES seem very similar to psionic powers. (Observation being pretty much literally telepathy/empathy for example, and to a lesser extend Armaments is like a sort of telekinetic shield projection. (With King being like a psionic blast) (Haki is also NOT especially similar to chi I think. (no energy beams, hadoukens or any of that stuff) So calling creatures with Haki makes sense, like telepathically calling them. Plus Jinbei calling whalesharks might be with Haki, there's a few indications that Jinbei could be a Haki user after all. Plus Haki's likely going to be an important topic now that Luffy recently got it, so it makes sense it'd show up in the story at the moment.

The noble passed out from the shock of having a bunch of huge freaking sea monsters appear suddenly behind him. Haki is only ever shown as a wave form in the anime not the manga. Shirahoshi was not exhibithing any type of anger at the time. Shirahoshi's yell simply had sonar embedded in it. Why is it suddenly so important that EVERYONE has to be able to use haki? Aside from a startled noble passing out foaming at the mouth (which can be done without haki, fyi), there were absolutely no signs of haki use. Also, sign your posts. 02:36, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Age
I think her age might actually be 17, and not 16. She was an infant at the start of the flashback, and the narration said that Otohime's goals came to fruitition after seven years. 0 + 7 + 10 = 17. Am I wrong? I could have misinterpreted. 18:51, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well I remember that when she first used her powers subconsciously, she was 6, Oda mentioned it, but since weeks passed after Otohime went to the surface and some more weeks passed after the people gathered the signatures, it could be possible she became 7 and her mother died. At the present time, she is 10 years older(10 years since the asassination happened) so it's either 16 or 17, but I go with 16, Oda said she was 6 and didn't mention if she became 7. 18:57, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

In this page of Chapter 621 it says that is 16 years ago and Shirahoshi is borned and its a baby...Now i dont know if this is a typo..If its not then she is in fact 17.. 18:58, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

We should go with her age as being 16 since there is hard evidence to suggest that, we can't say she's 17 with anything to prove it. 19:03, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Since it's unclear and could go either way, how about we put 16-17? 19:14, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's correct... 19:16, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed 19:27, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Disagreed. If Oda says she was 6 years old when she used her powers then that means 6 + 10 = 16. SeaTerror 22:18, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, isn't 6 + 7 + 10 = 23 ? 6 years old when he first used her powers (ch. 625), then in ch. 626 there is a 7 years time skip until her mother's assassination and finally 10 years until the present time, so 23. Let's not consider the "weeks after weeks", we never did that. Am I wrong? 22:29, May 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, no forget it... that 7 years isn't a time skip, but how much time take Otohime to convice the people, right? But we shouldn't consider undefined time skips. 22:33, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

FAT SHIRAHOSHI !!!!
hey can someone add the new photo of shirahoshi in her gallery how brook imaginted shirahoshi (fat ) the scene was seen in the episode 535 (this weeks episode) i think thats a good photo its just like the photo how igaram imaginated vivi as a pirate and sanji elizabeth as a beautiful women and brook imaginted shirahoshi fat and ugly XD Horohorogirl 19:30, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

http://imgur.com/aO1bX,uPIB2#0

This is the image she is talking about. Should it be added or not and if not, then please give an argument, I saw that a file identical to this one has been deleted so I am asking for an argument for not adding it.

I don't think it is needed. Maybe trivia? 20:17, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

On maybe on Brook's page.

No, I don't think it should be on Brook's page. I think that this is something we can add to Shirahoshi's trivia section, but not the main gallery. 20:22, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, like this from Sanji's fantasy. 23:17, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Though that pic is mean to show Big Mom romanization. I don't see the Shirahoshi fat picture necessary, but if we upload it than the trivia section is the best place, I think.

Nope... There's no need to put that on her article..

We have Luffy's drawings of what he thinks mermaids look like on the the merfolk page, is this really any dfferent? Are You Serious 22:54, February 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * The images of Luffy on the Merfolk page are there to explain that the one he drew actually appeared in the manga. One-Winged Hawk 23:57, February 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * We do have Vivi as a pirate on her page which is currently being used in the same manner as what this is preposed... However... I will note thats only suppose to be on there to show the original of her Jolly Roger... So even that has a legit reason to exist (though its not being used as that right now I note). One-Winged Hawk 23:59, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Epithet?
Is really "mermaid princess" an epithet? I think it's only her status... like her brothers are "the princes". --Meganoide (talk) 00:46, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

Poseidon
You know, I think the mermaid princess is the first Ancient Weapon to appear in the series. I know that she wasn't the first Poseidon weapon, but she so far the only ancient weapon to appear in One Piece. Pluton and Uranus didn't appear...yet. 50.151.163.165 19:50, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Shirahoshi is also based on Matsya (Trivia Section)
Shirahoshi is also known as Poseidon, which was the Greek god of the sea. So name-wise she’s based on the Greek god.

But design and lore wise, she’s based on Matsya, the half-fish avatar of the Hindu god Vishnu.

Poseidon: https://cdn.britannica.com/s:1500x700,q:85/23/39023-004-DD172DD2/Poseidon-marble-statue-Melos-National-Archaeological-Museum.jpg

Matsya: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Matsya_Raja_Ravi_Varma_Press.jpg/800px-Matsya_Raja_Ravi_Varma_Press.jpg

It’s pretty apparent that Shirahoshi is more based on the traditional appearance of Matsya than of Poseidon.

Lore wise: Vishnu appeared as the half-fish avatar in order to warn Manu that a great flood was coming. So Manu created a giant ship housing one of each species of every plant and animal to brave the flood.

Sound familiar? Apart from similarities to the Christian Flood Narrative, this has parallels with the story of Joy Boy (Manu), Noah (ship) and Poseidon (Matsya).

So unlike Greek Poseidon, Hindu Matsya is actually connected to the “World Flood” origin story of many religions and mythologies.

Due to this I’m going to edit in the fact that Shirahoshi is also based on Matsya, not just Poseidon, in the Trivia section.

--KozukiClan (talk) 07:38, November 2, 2019 (UTC)