User talk:Joekido

Childish?
I think you'll find Joekido... The only one acting like a child is you. Vandalism my talk page and wiping out everything on it, thats not very mature, if you disagree say so. Don't just walk in and blank it all out. That is what a typical wiki vandal does. >_<

As for how I handled things, you were being a pain, so I asked the others to keep an eye on you. That is part of being a responible wiki editor, alerting everyone to a problem member, you must understand that. Its what your expected to do when you see someone acting as you did. You've written a sorry note, so we can now get past things. That proves your are able to do sensible things and I acknowledge that. I'm glad it was sorted before the other got annoyed at you. I would hate a major dispute this early in the project.

Just remember this is a open wikipedia, you never know how someone will respond to a edit. ;) One-Winged Hawk 06:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh and before I forget... If you have a disagreement with something on the talk page... Don't just blank it out, that also counts as vandalism. Leave it alone even if you disagree with it. Its part of showing how things came to be on wikia and wikipedia.  Our thought process and everything else.  I've had to leave things on a page I disagreed with before, you will be expected to do that too.


 * Except for when someone writes 'You Suck!'... That means you have to erase the text as that sort of thing also counts as vandalism. One-Winged Hawk 06:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Fine then, can we please move on because I hate it when I'm always problems and my job would be easier if you just let me what I want. Fine, have it your own way.

Joekido


 * Its not just want you want here, its what everyone wants to do. Anyway, all that aside... Do you mind spoilers about the series or not?  Current events could use a babysitter and updater, I've been doing that job so far, you you like to look after that page?  I'm at a loss as to what to put there, besides weekly updates on the manga and anime... and things like games... :O One-Winged Hawk 07:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll keep my eyes on that page.

Joekido

You might like this idea:
How about this?

Chapters
...Look, nobody had said ANYTHING about doing chapters like that. If you want it that way, fine, I don't mind that. But don't be rude about it, okay? I like the idea (it's a lot of work, but would be cool when it's done), but just mention it next time, okay? Don't say "this is how it's suppose to be" when it's not mentioned. And I'm not following Wikipedia, I just hate seeing entire pages being entirely blocks of text. That's all. --Murasaki 07:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Look, I'm sorry if I sounded rude, it's not your fault. Just that I have an very bad life so that's why I talk tough so excuse me for being rude. So relax and have an cookie "pass him cookie"

Joekido

Already made
I already made The Will of D. Peace. SA

Hey
If your going to write a heap of good stuff and then delete it... Then thing again and slap yourself for doing it.

Give it a home instead - Editing Advice.

We really need this kind of stuff to be written you know, yet when you write it, you delete it. Bad boy! But please... Check you gramma. And next time, just create a link to this kind of thing from the Resources bit. One-Winged Hawk 07:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah! Trying to clear it up... I was saying that you shouldn't write something useful like the stuff on that page I link to above and then just deleted it... That I thought you'd written some usful info and needed to be saved.  I was trying to show you what to do with it for future sakes.  I'm not having a go at you, reread the above post.  The only thing I had a go at you for... Was being naughty and not checking your gramma, but that was more of friendly teasing then harsh having a go at you.  ;)  One-Winged Hawk 08:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Animals Page
Please leave it alone... I don't think you understand how I want it so until I sort it out myself don't change it. One-Winged Hawk 22:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not being stubborn at all about this page... I'm just asking you leave it alone for now. I need time to think and I've watching what the others are doing first to get ideas from them on how I might get it sorted.  If a page is reverted more then once by someone else you've either got to ask them why or just leave alone.  In this case the reason is I'm sorting it out and need time to think so I'm asking you to leave it alone.  There are many other pages for you to do in the meantime.  One-Winged Hawk 22:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh boy... Here we go again. I'm not going to shout at you or anything, just explain things as simply as I can. Something isn't getting through to you somewhere here. -_-'

Okay I have nothing against you putting animals on the character page... But this is where those individuals like Carue go... Not 'Sky Fish'. There is a page dedicated to animal species. Joekido... Please, please, its really simple. Also, when you list indivdual animals like Suu... They should go with the places they belonged. So Suu with the Skypieans.

Got it?

Please say you've got it!

Individuals -> Character page with the list where they were found (I.e Water 7, Drum Isand).

Species -> animal page where we can talk all we want about what the species is.

Very SIMPLE. One-Winged Hawk 20:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

You did it again
You wrote this Spoiler Rules without linking this to it Resources. Right my next mission: Get you in the habbit of posting a link to stuff there.

Also when you do stuff like that, can you update the bulletins. :P One-Winged Hawk 10:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You should avoid saying words like 'I' on articles... You should write all articles in a neutral stance (everyone else does).


 * Also I apologise for the Characters page but there was just no room to expand on it. We had a long list of characters, but no clue as to where they all go.  I didn't know who Usopp's mother's name is... I doubt many do. I redid the layout so we could group everyone together.  Now SOME people are gonna end up in more then one group... Alvida should belong with her own pirate crew as well as Buggy's because she owned her own pirate crew and currently is a travelling companion... The Shichibukai are both pirates and government workers... You see why certain things got laid out like they did?


 * Also, some of these characters should go:


 * If they don't appear then once...
 * Appear to be something more then background cruff.
 * Say less then 5 sentances.


 * Or alternativaly, we could put them on their own page with photos of the characters rather then have stand alone pages. Please consider such things Joekido in the next few days. I'd like all the misc. characters to go out of that section too, or come Saturday they get deleted for being out of place.  I'm not against having them as there are many ways around getting things onto Wikia, I'm against the idea of useless pages being created.


 * Oh yeah and thanks for supplying more info on that fake spoiler... I didn't bother reading most of the translations because it was fake so wrote only what I knew. When we are done with sorting out the characters I'd like to go back and recheck the info on the pages and remove stuff that appears to be unconfirmed info.


 * Reguards. One-Winged Hawk 21:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Characters and Animals
Ah here we have a different situration... On the Characters page you can put individual names like Carue, Lord of the Nearby Coast, etc... But avoid things like 'Spot-Billed Duck'. Otherwise whats the point of haviung the Animals page? Understand that.

We don't hate you, really, its just your edits are sometimes annoying because you don't see what everyone else is trying to do. One-Winged Hawk 07:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Time Chart
What made you think I'd mess up your time chart? I wasn't even gonna edit it.... Cody2526 07:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't do that. I just corrected grammar in that first sentence. Cody2526 08:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

And for the last time, log in and stop using alternate IPs. It's annoying, confusing and a pain in the but tto deal with edits by a no-name user who always turns out to be you.

What are you not getting? I am redirecting little articles to the big articles that contain their information. Please, I do not want another argument. Just follow the editing tips and don't delete all the content of a page because you are unhappy with it. There is a reason for talk pages. Not the creator's tlak page, not just any talk page. the talk page of the article you have a problem with soemthing in. If you don't like the way I did someting major, bring it up there, and stop deleting my redirects, like Mr. 0 going to Crocodile. Cody2526 09:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Last Warning
Stop messing up my edits. Do you ever sleep? Or are you just running a bot or something? Cody2526 20:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Ever hear of your talk page? A response would be nice. I've had the patience to try talking with you, but all you do is yell at me, say "I'm watching you bub" and act superior to me. Stop vandalising pages. If you don't stop, I am going to start a new page for requested bannings, and you'll be the first nomination. If you listened to my reasons then at least it's fair, if you refuse to use talk pages I will continue ignoring you and doing my own edits. I think you're running a bot at this point, since you do not respond and our edit war started at 2 AM and you are still running. Since there is no way to tell, you have been warned. If you are running a bot, guess you'll miss this warnings. Cody2526 20:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

for the last time you are not I repeat not superior to me. Stop acting like you are. I am doing my best to help and if you think my information is only making thngs worse than I don't care about your opinion, because up until now you've been a total moron, jerk and, well, an idiot. You are not superior to me. You do not have the final say. You will NOT watch my edits and "take action" anymore. I have had it with you, and am sick of your acting superior, your dumb edits, vadilism and page deletions. You ignore talk pages, refuse to ask if sometihng should be moved, ect and go about doing it yourself, angering others and I am done with this. Cody2526 20:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Warning!
Coby... I'm not gonna put you on the new list you made because I haven't any cribs with you... But Joekido, you've had warnings before so there is no other choice. I think we need to end this fight between you two one way or another. Users to be Banned. Coby, I'm not gonna threaten you but I am gonna advise you to stay out of the way of Joekido or risk being nominated also.

I don't really want to use the list, but since we have it and I'm fed up, the one who I've warned before is now on it. Don't blank it out - or I won't hesitated to agree with the nomination Joekido! I'm repeating it on both your user talk pages. One-Winged Hawk 21:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Its not blanking, its the constant bickering between you and Coby, its got to end one way or another. If I had any cribs with Coby, he would also be on the lsit, but arguing isn't reason enough I think to put him on it.  Maily because, I have nothing else to put him up for apart from that.  You on the other hand, well, you've not just been giving one warning, but many, and all the small things you've done have added up to the point where something has to be done.


 * BTW you shoudln't have combined those articles. The catagories are now screwed up for that page. But thats a different discussion compeltely to the one I'm saying here.  One-Winged Hawk 21:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting back to my redirect on the Marine page. In the future I'll try to be more considerate about the reasons for your edits. Cody2526 01:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Why I anger easily
Okay you want to know why... I guess since I became a serious wikipedia editor back in June I've seen all kinds of edits, from stupid to to sensible, mostly stupid so my patience is a little thin. I only became a serious editor because you have more say then someone who doesn't. I'm used to writing lots of things on wikipedia, spending hours on something, only to see some idiot come along and delete it and write 'One Piece Sucks'... So maybe I'm a little impatient now because of it. But you'd understand why if you spent as long as I do babysitting those pages.

I'm not yelling at you all the time, I'm just asking you to look at what I've done, I'm ensuring you everything I do, its all in good faith. All I want is for to concentrate, get the character pages up, some pictures. I'm resonible, I listen to other peoples ideas and make my own discusions. I'm not being bossy, I'm trying (and it seems I can't get it through to you) to explain what I'm attempting here. If you read your own talk page, I've praised you here a few times for some of your pages (even if I did have to reword them, and alter them) so I ain't yelling at you all the time or bossy you around.

Currently I'm starting to get to the end of my patience... You make good edits sometimes, but at the same time you just won't give me a change to work out the Characters page. You jump to conclusions with me too fast it seems and won't let me finish what I'm up to.

Now the animals page I've asked you nicely to leave alone until I've finished with the characters page. The characters page I've got another thing planned, I want to set the page up first and get it sorted. I'm still pondering the idea and how to do it before I put it in front of everyone. Right now, the sooner the characters are all up the happier I'll be. A lot of the characters we don't need which is why I don't like that you keep readding things. If I've deleted them its for a reason be it because their a very minor background character with no lines and their name is not given or their an animal

I can't see the sense behind your changes to the characters page, there is no logic in setting things out how you do. I reorgainsed the page so we can expand on it easy (you ahev to admit, its a lot better now).

I'm an experienced editor... Trust me on things.

Please.

I've already put a LOT of effort into this site, and I've not blanked out any pages that have been created by you, maybe put them up for deletation or moved them... I'm even supported you for keeping the Dials page. So I'm not against you, realise that. I'm TRYING to help you. If you noticed, the only person I'm having problems on here is you, everyone else has pretty much just gotten on with things. Same with Coby, only you had any real problems with him/her. Everyone else pretty much got on with things, there were MINOR problems between him and the others.

I don't want a fight with you or a edit war. Please try to to drag me into one like you have been recently. I would rather spend time creating new pages then wastign time sorting out your reverts. One-Winged Hawk 23:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

How dare YOU!!!!

 * If you don't want me to add species in the character page, I'm going to make a deal you. No, this is not an death threat(why would do that?). I would love to see Den Den Mushi Hiking Bear Lapahn and many other species getting there own page and that animal page must be filled with links to each species I list above. You have like about Thursday at 8:00pm in November 9th to link each species in the animal page; if you failed to comply then I'm declared winner and I will add back all species back in the character page. If you manage to do that by thrusday then you won and I'll repect your choice. This is my test on you, don't fail or once I add the species back you cannot revert it or you'll break my trust. Get set. 

Listen, that was the last straw! I TOLD YOU! I don't have TIME to do both animals and CHARACTERS page, only one! I will not let you order me into a standing like that. Now I'm angered VERY much. Stop trying to tell us all what to do, stop trying to act as a boss! I've had enough. I'm opening up this whole agrument to be settled with the rest of the Wikia. Lets see hwo everyone else reacts to this. One-Winged Hawk 08:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Seriously Joekido I've just had my limits with you. I just want you to stop and listen for once.  Your not being resonible, your doing your own thing.  You won't listen to me, which annoys me since I'm just trying to work to the framework the others laid out at the start.  You apparently are not.  On wikipedia I'm just another editor, here I'm in a constant edit war with you.  Since last Monday I've been home sick, I have been working hard here since I have no end to time and nothing to do.  I have no university work.


 * I'm having diffcultly accept an apology from you, I know for the characters page I set a deadline - but I wasn't rude about it and I did I explained why I was doing it. We honestly don't need some of the characters, a lot of them no one knows who they are and they don't even warrent pages.


 * You didn't tell me exactly what you wanted with the page and when I did I explained what the logical way of doing it would be... Which you ignored. Now the better response for you would be to lay down a plan in front of me of what you want to do and explain why you are doing them.  I've ensure you I have one done.  Right?  Well I'm going to tell you what it is...


 * Basically, I can't figure out to do it but I'm working it out and have been for the last two weeks. I ened up reogranise our Characters page so we could expand on it better if we put such things in place.


 * Basically I would love to see each page on wiki reorgainsed into tables. This is an example page from wikipedia of my work:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Fruit


 * Isn't that nice? Its neat and tidy and looks very professional.  :D


 * Unlike our stuff which needs serious work and looks sloppish. Now I'm not sure the others will like it, doesn't matter since if they do I'll accept that and try some other approach.  If you SERIOUSLY want to apologise to me, then either help me think up a plan for this the others will like or just let me finish my work on that page.  It takes me ages to work out tables and I'm not sure how to approach this one.  I've got to convince the others here, they aren't always acceptance for new ideas I know from experience.


 * You know, even though I registered at wikipedia in June, I was editing a lot longer before that. If I knew dates I'd tell you but its been well over a year now.  I can't even pull up the day I started editing seriously.


 * Now please, Joekido, I'm not trying to have a go at you, as I said BEFORE I sometimes write praises too. You come up with ideas I can't and create pages I didn't think of, those I praise.  I also supported the dial pages which seems to have slipped by you.  I'm not trying to be bossy nor be your enemy, but take it from my view :


 * I was on Wikipedia, a place where stupid kids from other animes reglaurly come onto and do stupid things... Its a place where you can get up to 20 vandal attempts (most of which are instantly reverted by bots so you don't know they happen).
 * Your constantly being reminded that wikipedia has a strict anime treatment code and your not allowed to have certain pages.
 * You see being put up for deletion and people from other intereasts other then One Piece will enter arguments to have their say... Ending up with the page being deleted, possibly loosing yours and everyone else's many hours of work.


 * I came here to escape wikipedia and break away from its anime code. I think thats what many others have done.  Right now, I'm not sure if wikia is better then wikipedia.  But as I said, if you really want to make it up to me... Help me design a nice neat characters page, I want to get everything ready by Saturday or Sunday... Monday at the latest.  I'm putting up pages right now in a hurry just so they exist, which is bad because I haven't done much to reorgainse those pages like we're suppose to be doing and getting away from wikipedia.  Or at the very least, reorgainse the pages.


 * If you really want to... You could design a nice layout and save me a lot of work. If you really want to that is. Just take how the characters page is now, and put it into tables.  I haven't actually gotten that far, I was hoping to get feed back from the others before I got to that stage.  I'll do the rest.  Just be aware - the only thing I haven't worked out is percificant table row/coloum width.  But I'll sort that out if need be.


 * This might help: []. One-Winged Hawk 08:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wrong page... Whoops. We all make mistakes.


 * Well okay. I know what you want now... (You should say things like that, but hey, its the pot calling the kettle black since I'm guitly of that too).  I want to do the same as you.  Esp. the bit about Arlong park... Since that site isn't even completed yet.  I'd like us to escape from wikipedia, which the others stated at the start also wanted.  I've been in the middle of arguments between sites before so I'm wary of us taking Arlong Park's stuff without asking unless its our work.  Wikipedia though - nothing to stop us there.


 * My main grudge in One Piece is with the 4Kids version - I'd like to show everyone how the show really is great not like that dub. It was shocking seeing the orginal Japanese version of the anime how much better it was... Thats where my love of One Piece comes from.


 * The others don't see the point of having some pages... Like Dials, which somewhat annoys me a little, but I respect their points of view and yeah... Unless you can come up with a expanded detailed page thats how its going to be with them.


 * Okay... Lets stop editing for a day here and just talk between us.  Until we settle this.  One-Winged Hawk 09:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Better get this out the way
I better tell you this now or in future it will get you in trouble. I don't want you to get in trouble with another members so heres some advice... I'm not trying to act like your mother/nanny with this, I'm just saying some things aren't good. If you really want, in the same polite manner you can do the same and I'll take note:

Since everywhere I go I cause problems and when frist came here I don't expect to have any problems until some British woman that's you end up insulting my intelligance, following me around and yelling at me like an nagging mother.

Firstly, never accuse someone of insulting your intelligence or have a go at them like a rapid rabbit. That can led to to them feeling somewhat cornered. Also, if you cause troubels elsewhere... Is it really advisable to give that away. That kinda gives off bad karma. If you know what I mean. You made many accusions here that weren't true, such things being told to the wrong person could have them at you. Also 'some Brittish woman' can be taken as a nationally insult, which is one step away from being racist, you shouldn't use that either. This is just common sense.

I have no idea what your history with Arlong Park is... That didn't matter to me at all, I didn't need to know that. To me you were just another editor, one that didn't seem to want to talk or when you did, listen to reason much of the time... There are many people like that on wikipedia... We are both experienced wiki users... So lets show the others we are that. I guess you caught my eye because I'm very concerned with your edits all the time. For one reason or another, but it was all in good faith. The others will do the same if I step out of line, so nothing there.

'''Angel: Hey! Don't do that! Hey don't do that! Stop that! Damn you! STOP IT! OMGBQQ your an pain in my ass! Don't get information from arlongpark.net! Don't blank page! Don't add that! OMG everybody watch him!'''

This is just over exhaggurated, I wasn't like that at all. That can land you in the deep in too, I'm not insulted by this, but someone can easily be insulted. Your kinda trying to pick faults with my character that aren't really there. If you did things correctly, other people wouldn't be having goes at you... So if they are there must be something wrong (I wasn't alone just I was the one who picked up on things before everyone else).

'''I wish your in the same shoe I'm in because I would love to watch you stuffer the same crap you made me stuffer. '''

Okay last and properly biggest piece of advice... I didn't make you suffer anything on purpose... So why try to make me suffer on purpose then? I didn't suffer, I got insulted I was treated like dirt, but I didn't really suffer, just got a bit angry. Its common sense not to do these things. If its the deadline thing, well truthfully that was just giving you a chance to get characters sorted before I did a big name wipe, the deadline was applied to everyone, not just you. I couldn't do it before then because I didn't have time to sort them out when I put that up, and I left it as long as possible that day.

If you had troubels elsewhere... Maybe you should consider these things I've stated might be why you were. Showing a bad attitude won't make you populaur here either. Just be cool about things, let people yelling at you slide, take note what they yelled at for you and try to see why they did.

Anyway... Since neither of us handled the other very well, and we seem to be clashing a lot... its not fault picking its just me saying 'be careful Joekido, these words are dangerous'. If you had a bad history elsewhere, its not advisable to come onto another site and continue with such behaviours. Since the air is now lear and we've takena lot of hours to calm down...

How exactly do you want to approach the characters page now? We've discussed it on the page but you left me hanging. You pretty much came up with a basic good idea before you did that. I'm not about to do everything your way, I have my own opinions too that don't seem to see eye to eye... But I'd like to try and get things to a level where both of us are happyish with that page and the others don't have to listen to our quarry.

I want to create a nice neat layout with tables, things like that... I ask you if you really mind helping, so far nothing. If you don't want to talk say so, I'll take that in mind, but it won't help us sort things out between us now will it? You've discussed on the Characters talk page but never once replied to my question. I said, if you want to come up with a good plan this evening, put it forward to the others as I was going to anyway for discussion. If they like it, I'll help you set it up.

In the mean time... How about some causal talk, one person to another... Why don't you try and talk in the community Cafe? I set it up to make you happy when I didn't take to your silly edits back at the start, but so far... Well I'm surprised you haven't been on that page yet. I thought you would. You puzzle me since thats a page for mess abouts and less then serious editing. You really want to be serious all the time? That is shocking if you do because even I like less then serious edits every now and then. O.o' One-Winged Hawk 20:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah!
You want to do the Denden Mushi page? Whoops. I've just come back from diner and started that page and noticed you've done the same... Sorry. I was just starting the animals page since you'v emade such a fuss of it. No offence taken I hope, that was a accidental clahs with you. Sorry. You continue on as you were. One-Winged Hawk 21:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Joekido ;)
I hate the fact that IP adress guy screwed up a page too... But yeah... What you said though to him.... I agree with it anyway. Can lets be more civil towards them if they do stuff like that. ^-^'

I wouldn't like to be on the other end of that message you left on that guys user talk page. He was given a warning, if he does it again we'll take steps futher...

This is how you attract spammers/flamers, something we need to avoid here. But if the guy is dumb enough to do it twice, then we can ban him to hell. If you go at him like that anyway, we're kinda breaking our own rules we've set out. Not good either. See my point? Lets isn't a telling off Joekido, its a advice pointer. As I said, I agree with what you said, a guy like that guy isn't wanted here... But lets use some tact okay? One-Winged Hawk 11:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)