Forum:Trivia on Chapter and Episode pages

Not sure why this has been a recent issue, but I want to open it up for discussion. Some users have been adamant that our chapter and episode should not have trivia sections. Chapter 977 has been a point of contention over Wanda, and SeaTerror shot down the idea of adding a note in a Trivia section. Rhavkin did the same on Chapter 604 when I thought an easter egg of Luffy putting a booger on Usopp could go in Trivia (which is now housed on the SBS page).

I think Trivia should be added circumstantially. We are the ones who dictate page layouts, and there are no rules saying it can't happen (no admin or mod has nixed the idea either). What are other people's opinions? 19:09, September 21, 2020 (UTC)

Discussion
I think Trivia sections on those pages are warranted. Chapter Notes should be for story developments, Trivia should be for behind the scenes info (for example Chapter 775's title being based on a James Bond film, and Wanda being cropped out in 877). Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:20, September 21, 2020 (UTC)

I also agree with this statement for the same primary reasons that Kaido listed, especially if it would help prevent potential edit wars. Part of this issue is people quickly reverting legitimate edits on information like that when they think they are right without moving it to a talk page. -Adv193 (talk) 19:36, September 21, 2020 (UTC)

Well if we're gonna break down titles then we need to take another look at the Sky Island part of the story, especially the chapter titles. Another bit of trivia that should be listed are characters with canon names were first named in non-canon sources. Rgilbert27 (talk) 19:50, September 21, 2020 (UTC)

A Trivia section could easily take the place of the outdated Anime Episode portion of Quick Reference. The entries should probably remain chapter-specific (title reference example); character focused ones could go to character pages instead (booger example). The Wanda example sort of splits the two but would work as chapter trivia so as to explain her listing in the character table. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:16, September 21, 2020 (UTC)

Also if this were to be a rule, I would think that outside of discussion, if someone were to revert a trivia piece then an option should be that a higher-ranking member (like a content moderator or administrator) should be contacted to pass judgement to help avoid an edit war, as constant reverting is not a solution. -Adv193 (talk) 03:01, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

Trivia sections were removed on chapters and episodes due to an old forum. The anime notes section is essentially a trivia section anyway. SeaTerror (talk) 06:00, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

How old of a forum? Because if I don't remember it and I've been editing for seven years, it is time for the new editors (and wiki staff) to make a new decision. Anime Notes doesn't address any of the examples brought up by me or Kaido. 10:38, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

This forum from 2011 voted overwhelmingly in favor of including Trivia sections in Chapter articles with "only GOOD, relevant trivia." Was there a more recent forum? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:03, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

As Noland stated, the only reason I moved that note is because there aren't trivia sections in chapter page. If we decide to include them then that is the proper place for that.

The Wanda case is more elaborate, and is currently discussed on the chapter talk page, and it is more about the sources the wiki uses for content. not where to place the note. Again, however, If we decide to include trivia sections then that is the proper place for that.

As for what the trivia would include, I would like to suggest to also include some SBS for specific chapters like Sanji bento in 850 and the dwarfed Straw Hats in 731. Maybe even Pandaman appearance. Bottom line: There is plenty of information that can be seen in a chapter other then the plot which is listed in the chapter notes section, and trivia sections is the best way to include it. Rhavkin (talk) 18:12, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

The anime notes is the trivia section. It covers both errors and other stuff. Chapter notes is for story related stuff so there is no trivia section for it. I was against the sections being removed originally anyway so there's no reason not to have them. SBS info on a chapter article is irrelevant since those are only in volumes. SeaTerror (talk) 19:36, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

I agree that Trivia sections should be included on chaper pages where applicable. I'm not convinced regading episode pages, though. Anime Notes mainly cover changes, additions and omissions from the manga, so the section lends itself to general trivia more easily. 22:01, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

This seems pretty unanimous: yes to Trivia on Chapter pages, no on Episode pages because there is already an Anime Notes section. If there are no objections, I can close and update the Chapter Page Layout Guidelines. 17:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I still think that trivia in episode might be somewhat beneficial, and like chapters, it doesn't have to be on every episode page. Changes from the chapter can stay in the Anime Notes, but first\last episode of arc\opening\ending\eyecatcher, in canon additions like Uholisia appearance, or Sanji's bento having the SH favorite foods etc. might be more suitable in a trivia section. Rhavkin (talk) 18:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)