Talk:Oars

Sick of Arguments
Jeez I'm sick of the variations of Oz's name. If there was one single translation I'd stop arguing with someone at AP. I don't know nor care what the original name is anymore. The fact even Babel can't translate it makes me wonder a lot about some of the translations going around for names lately... For someone whose Japanese is limited like me, you soon loose faith in translations.

After "Thriller Bark" being translated as "Thriller Park", "Thriller Barque" and all the others... I don't care much for some of the so call "reliable" translators anymore, because not a single one came up with "Thriller Bark" before Oda produced it. I'm beginning to say "just find it out for yourself" instead of relying on others to do the translation for yourself. And considering I've come across names where there are a dozen translations (being an anime fan and all) and all can be just as correct as the next, it makes me wonder.

Before I forget, who here thinks the name "Oz" is liable anymore? I'm sort of fed up with the whole thing. One-Winged Hawk 18:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Then this will make you even more sick:http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=15845&page=9


 * post number 175.The guy clearly called Oz...........ODR!!!!!!ODZ is already complete NONSENSE,BUT-ODR?!!

Just want to point out, Thriller Barque is an acceptable spelling. Thriller Barc would be too. They are all acceptable spellings of the same type of ship. Park is close enough to Bark that, while it isn't an acceptable spelling, it's an acceptable mistake.

User:New Ashur


 * Oda confirmed it as "Thriller Bark". Sure they are acceptable, but their not what Oda intended. I'm still hoping the next data book sorts out Oz's name. One-Winged Hawk 08:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

In the English version of Unlimited Cruise states that his name is Oz. Shall I add it to the article? Bowser the Second 11:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Change to Oars "Spoiler Warning"
This maybe going against spoiler rules, but with spoiler info about a descendant of the big guy on Whitebeard's side and the fact that there's a pirate ship which looks like it belongs to him. I suggest moving "Oz" to "Oars" once the chapter is out.

Please note that Oz, Odz, and whatever are just fan translations. Also note that this move cannot be made until Chapter 554 is out cause without the proper chapter with Oars Jr., the move can't be justified.

I asking this now and not later cause it seems people in Arlong Park might jump the gun here. Mugiwara Franky 16:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah we always had this long term argument over the name in the fandom. This seems to be the end of it. Finally one of the several characters whose name is never written MAY have been written. But until chapter release its a spoiler. My current concern is fans jumping in a altering it NOW though. Perhaps, full protection until Thursday? One-Winged Hawk 16:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * For this page and for this time, I've protected the page.


 * I'm kinda glad though that a name that even the characters of the manga themselves can't pronounce well has a spelling finally.Mugiwara Franky 16:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

What? How is it over? It's just some random guy translating the chapter before it is out. So the name doesn't mean anything. Never mind about the last comment I see it now. You are both being ridiculous though. How does that make him Oz and not a new character or somebody related to Oz? You're both against speculation. I mean that is like saying Zoro is the first mate or Bellamy is dead. Drunk Samurai 18:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen the full discussion on AP, I'm reading up on it now. I had up until now presumed it was confirmed? So this is just speculation? (Been stuck somewhere all day so catching up). One-Winged Hawk 18:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to this. Somebody uploaded it. How does that mean it is Oz? Drunk Samurai 18:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The point of the pic was to show that the name is spelled Oars as there is a character named Oars Jr. in Chapter 554 that was confirmed to be related to Oars. As both characters share the same name, it clicked in everybody's head that the gigantic ship with the Oars-like skull was the kid's ship and that the proper spelling of the name was on the sail.


 * Without the chapter however, we cannot say yet that this is how his name is spelled.Mugiwara Franky 18:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly what I keep pointing out at AP, it clicked this chapter at the very least so we need this chapter out first. Anyway, as Brennen put it "It could mena the ship just has 3 oars". lol. That comment has made my day in humour and point made. X-D One-Winged Hawk 18:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It is still speculation. Like I said. It's like calling Zoro the first mate and Bellamy dead. Drunk Samurai 18:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It becomes a valid thing once the chapter comes out. Here's the logic.


 * There's a character who is revealed to be the descendant of the zombie.
 * With the knowledge of the giant being the descendant, one will notice the gigantic ship shown alongside the other ships of Whitebeard's allies.
 * On the ship, is a Jolly Roger that looks like the zombie and the words Oars II (or III). This heavily suggests that its the ship of Oars Jr.
 * Since logic dictates that the spelling of the name of Person Jr. is the same spelling for Person's parent, Oars would be the proper romanization for the zombie via his descendant.


 * This however only works when the chapter come outs. Without it, it is indeed speculation.Mugiwara Franky 01:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * RAWs out but I don't think a translation is. "Just woke up" feeling over me. One-Winged Hawk 05:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay no doubts about them being related at least.


 * [[image:oarsjr.png]]]


 * Its Oars Jr. :-P One-Winged Hawk 05:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Has anyone forgotten about this? The official site for Episode 2 of One Piece: Unlimited Cruise says that the name for this character is in fact Oz (though I do notice they spell Krieg with a C as well). I'm still kind of finding it weird that everyone decided the name was Oars just because of a random pirate ship in a group of ships. I'll go ahead and let the creators of this Wiki deal with this situation though. But anyway, I thought some would find this interesting: http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/wii_onepiece3/chara/chara_01.html


 * While the name appears as Oz in that game, it unfortunately can't be taken fully as the spelling intended by Oda. Games, toys, and even the anime are considered as secondary source for the original source, the manga. While they may indeed serve as sources for actual spellings and such, their level of being what the creator intended is lower to what may come out in the manga itself. Spellings and such in the manga are closer to being what the creator intended as the spellings come from the same person who is making the story, and not from someone else who trying to interpret the story.Mugiwara Franky 17:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

However you still can't say that he is related to Oz. Just because he looks like a character does not make them related. I suppose that means ever single spiky haired character in an manga/anime is related then. You're also forgetting that Oz could have had a brother who looked like him and that is who Oars Jr is related to. Drunk Samurai 18:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * They specifically say that he is in the scene where he is introduced. It's not speculation when the characters themselves say it. Mugiwara Franky 18:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Gotta love how this ruins 60+ chapters of fan translated material and makes them inacurate. TheMario 01:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, in the the time between then and now. Nobody was even close to what it was spelled. Even the Straw Hats themselves had a hard time.Mugiwara Franky 07:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Change the name back
Even if he is related to Oz(which is pretty obvious), that doesn't mean they share the same name. Maybe Oars Jr's father is Oars and Oars' father is Oz, or it could go back even farther. Until there's confirmation from Oda I believe it should be left as Oz. 18:44, October 30, 2009 (UTC) Whitebushido


 * I personally don't want to see this happen. We're at a point where if we switch back, we'll loose all creditability, let alone respect. As it stands, we're one of the better kept wikias, we do regulate ourself and keep us "on-track". However we're still a site that can be edited by anyone so get the discredit for that like wikipedia. On that note, while I do hate the criticism we get, I've noted there have been a few times where we've proven our point and got it right and forced a few fans to admit our purpose is just. However 90% of the time we can't get that sort of credit.


 * Basically, if we switch back NOW I don't think any member will be able to visit another OP fansite without getting stick. Since everyone ELSE has accepted it. One-Winged Hawk 19:56, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Does it really matter if you lose the "respect" from a few people from Arlong Park since most of the people there are morons? I also just realized how hilarious TheMario was. He hasn't returned once just because he didn't get his way with using Funimation names. Drunk Samurai 20:47, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't even want to write what I think of A.Park because at times tis a pain. Its become as of late a fighting sandbox more then a fansite. Plus, you get 3 or 4 people only in a conversation, anyone else ATTEMPTING to talk gets ignored now. And they only have issues with us, when it suits their need to have issues with us... I've pointed out dozens of times, if you don't like it, edit it. We've had them here before, but the last guy who had issues with us didn't even understand our basic "no forum" rule. So there you go... As I said I'm not going to write what I think of AP these days. I'd like to keep some opinions to myself but if you can note what I've said already about the problems there, you'll guess it.


 * I prefer K-Fs forums, but their members aren't as acknowledged so their forum is less useful. What I dislike about one thing with K-F forums is the sub is taken at times as gospel. Our pages ARE subject to change and we accept when we're wrong, but the one when K-F lovers can't accept is when K-F is wrong. Classic case "Juraquille" which I recently was drawn to by I think it was you wasn't it DS? That was proven wrong a YEAR before that guy posted. Its not a case of it doesn't fit the Japanese its a name has to translate BACK into Japanese and it was pointed out even before I raised "Is Dracule correct?" that Juraquille is wrong, and I've seen someone at K-Fs admit its their error, just as Mermen was. Heck, experienced translators have noted that "Dracule" sounds like a bad translation too.


 * No when I mean creditability, I mean the willingness here to accept we're wrong. This ship sail is the only reference we've got and if we don't use it, it looks bad for us. Maybe "Oars" will proven wrong, we've got only ONE translation and its better then having the old "Odz/Oz/Odr" argument going on. At the end of the day, we've got characters that we can only guess the name of and characters that will give us no end to problems until Oda gives us the name. One-Winged Hawk

Well, was the page linked earlier when they were discussing the name of Oz/Oars/Odz/whatever an official translation or just fan work? Whitebushido


 * This is a little hard to understand, but can you sign your posts with ~ so we know where a conversation ends please? One-Winged Hawk 08:29, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I just watched episode 371 and if we go by a normal giant's lifetime then it supports that he's the grandfather of Oars Jr. and not the father. Chopper says that he died 500 years ago and in Enies lobby the two giants said they live 200 years. So Oz/Oars is two generations back(maybe three, depending on when he died/how old Oars Jr. is/etc.). This is speculation again but so is the name Oars. Who knows how long giant giants live. And I just read some of the wiki page on him and it says that he's Oars Jr.'s grandfather. Oars Jr. would be Oars the Third if Oz was named Oars. Whitebushido 15:37, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * While it is indeed true that giants have an average lifespan of 300 years, Oars and his kin however aren't exactly average giants. For the grandfather part, that's kinda a mistake in the wikia. The actual Japanese word that was used to describe Oars Jr.'s relationship with Oars can be interpreted either as descendant or child. The problem also originates from the sail from which Oars is derived from. Due to the way it looks, most people see a "II" while others see a "III".


 * While it is a bit uncertain about whether Oars is the father or the grandfather due to a slight technicality, it is however certain of how their names are romanized in English. Both giants have the name オーズ. Due to the inability of translators to come up with a proper romanization of the name at the time, Oz, Odr, and Odz came up. When Oars Jr. was revealed, the giant ship with a Oars Jolly Roger and the word "Oars" on the sail was noticed by a lot of people. Since no other spelling of the giants' names have come up before, naturally this most likely is what Oda intended for how the name is meant to be spelled in English.


 * In other words, Oz and the other spellings besides Oars are fan names. Oars is pretty much an official name. While the relationship between the giants is kinda disputed, its kinda way off that two characters that share the same Japanese name of オーズ would have different English romanizations.


 * As for Arlong Park, while the forum may have their faults, I don't think insulting them in such a manner is very nice. At most, it's pretty much the same rude attitude a percentage of its members see us. Plus not all of them see us as useless. Mugiwara Franky 13:53, November 1, 2009 (UTC)