Talk:Zou Arc

Start Point
I think the Zo Arc should start at 801 when we go to the going Luffy scene, because it's basically continuous with what happened in this Chapter. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:25, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. 21:34, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Well, 801 starts with Oda's final summation of Dressrosa, so that's at least partially in the Dressrosa arc. But yeah, I'd say if we have to make it one arc, put 801 in Zo. 21:37, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Anyway I think it was Oda's intantion to start the arc on 700 and end it on 800. 21:41, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

I agree but I say that we also start a new Saga. Yes, I know it's technically "connected" to Dressrosa but at this point we're just going too far. What if they beat Shanks, Kid and Big Mom in between before Kaido? Are we really going to make a Saga that spans across 40% of the series? Is there really a point to it anymore then? It's like saying that Skypiea and Alabasta were tied because when they leave Alabasta and talk with Robin the Saint Briss immediately falls from the sky and because of that they intertwine. We need to divide at a certain point.

Grievous67 (talk) 21:42, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Starts at 802 because that's when they arrive at Zo. 801 still has Dressrosa stuff. 802 color spread even says "the battle for Dressrosa has finally ended!" 21:45, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

What I meant was that the first 2/3 of 801 would be in Dressrosa Arc while the last part would be Zo 21:47, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

If we make chapter 801 the start of the Zou arc, then chapter 699 should be the start of the Dressrosa arc.

Same issue. The first half of 699 is used to close Punk Hazard (ends with Aokiji telling the Marines to keep quiet), and the rest of the chapter is continuous with chapter 700, including a brief showcase the country at the end of the chapter. KingCannon (talk) 21:50, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Would it be so wrong to include 1 chapter in 2 arcs? 22:13, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Confusing and trouble with template codes etc. I already stated that the color spread says "the battle for Dressrosa has finally ended!" which is pretty clear indication that this chapter marks the beginning of the new arc. 22:16, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

There isn't really any Dressrosa stuff in 802. In 801, apart from boarding Barto's ship to head for Zo there isn't anything related to Zo. I don't see any reason for 801 to be apart of Zo.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 23:07, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

The battle for Dressrosa ended ages ago. Remember that time that the cover said "Law's secret finally revealed" referring to the D. but during Gear Fourth? Sorry but that's no proof in any way.

Grievous67 (talk) 23:08, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Arc should start at 802, 801 was the finale for Dressrosa. 23:57, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

King said what I was going to say. This is the exact same situation as Punk Hazard. SeaTerror (talk) 04:58, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Just a note on the 'the battle on dressrosa has finally ended', I think it was referring to volume 79 which is just about to be published. Anyways,I say 802 because 801 had some little snippets of Dressrosa left Hawkinz340 (talk)

In 801 they are boarding the Going Luffy-senpai and are headed to Zo. I dont see why it shouldnt start on 801. 11:36, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

801 is the last we see of Dressrosa hence the last chapter of that arc. 12:15, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I'm further convinced that 802 is the start now. 14:15, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not entirely pleased with the continuity, but I concede 14:26, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Clear majority, arc starts at 802. 15:06, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Rename?
It's clear that Zou isn't the central theme of the arc or even the place where the arc primarily takes place, as the focus is shifting to Sanji's betrothal and the Tea Party. That said, should the arc be renamed to Tea Party Arc? --Mandon (talk) 22:09, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

No. Not yet anyway. 22:21, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Agree with DP, though it's likely that it'll stay as the Zou arc. This will probably be like the Jaya & Amazon Lily arcs: an interlude or mini-adventure before the main event. If the ending of 815 is any indication, something will happen on Zou.
 * 海賊☠姫 (talk) 22:45, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

If anything, I'd bet it would be considered a new arc once Luffy goes to rescue Sanji, although what the others will do will probably determine what the arc will be called. And everything so far has happened on Zou except the Curly Hats' brief escape and the cutaways to other characters in the beginning. 00:34, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

We don't know. It's too soon to decide. Let's wait for more chapters. 04:03, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

They're currently on Zou so Zou arc. SeaTerror (talk) 04:19, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

New Arc soon?
According to http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2016-03-28/one-piece-manga-enters-vs-four-emperors-arc/.100374 the manga will start the new arc "VS. Four Emperors Arc" on April 4 (chapter 821), but the question is should we continue the Zou arc as they currently still on Zou, wait for more details and/or just start all over again with the new arc? Dragonquiz (talk) 22:14, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

A discussion about that has been started at Talk:Pirate Alliance Saga. Personally, I'm really unclear as to whether this should be classified as an arc or a saga Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 23:34, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Visual Art
Isn't it a better choice to use the visual art for the Zou Arc as the image for the page? — Meshack

Anime visual art for the Zou Arc for anyone who haven't seen it. 22:50, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

I dunno. I like the one from Vol 81 because it shows more of the Minks and the Sanji plot, but I could go either way really. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 23:26, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

Considering the name of the arc, its quite fitting to actually show Zou. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:33, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

The visual art is like 90% Straw Hats. I like the volume image more 23:34, June 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Wait a second, Carrot is blonde? God damn it.

Also yeah, the volume image works better for me.

11:54, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

I can't see an elephant in either image. The manga image is way too small and needs to be replaced with a better image anyway. I'd say the anime one is fine too. SeaTerror (talk) 22:33, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Is this a consensus or majority vote? — Meshack

ST, you can see Zunisha between Luffy's legs. Rhavkin (talk) 04:13, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

I would say anime because the current image is LQ. 14:53, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Volume image looks better. 14:57, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

I uploaded the HQ scan that Levi added. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 15:58, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Volume image is better. Majority and this has been dead for a month, so closing. 19:26, July 19, 2016 (UTC)

Ending of Arc?
Hello everyone! I'm not really much of an editor on here,  though I am a pretty frequent browser. I'm just curious about the decision to list Zou as ending with Chapter 824. I know that the distinctions between the start/end of an arc can sometimes be rather iffy,  but I feel like Chapter 822 feels like a much more natural end point for Zou. After that chapter the action has definitively moved off of Zou & doesn't go back. While it takes a little bit from there to enter Big Mom's territory,  (I do know it took forever to rename the current arc "Whole Cake Island" after it was labeled "Totto Land" for so long lol) it seems like the next are starts right there. The whole introduction to the Reverie feels very much like the opening to a new arc. The beginning of Chapter 823 revolves around the Reverie,  and when the action goes back to the Straw Hats they're out at sea. When Carrot is discovered onboard,  she gets a reintroduction panel which seems to further seperate it from the Zou Arc (Where she already got an intro box). Plus the plot seems to have entered a very different phase,  with the characters now moving towards Whole Cake Island & all the interactions feeling very typical of the beginning of a long arc. Concluding Zou with the chapter the Ceaser Retrieval Team jumps off of Zunisha just seems natural.

Plus Chapter 825 as the start of Whole Cake Island feels kinda arbitrary,  as its bit with Sanji and the Firetank Pirates directly continues from the previous chapter. As a whole it feels like WCI flows rather naturally out of 823. I don't want to sound presumptious or anything though,  I know these things are often the cause of debate & are rather subjective especially without official word from Oda. I'm not saying my thoughts are definitive,  but I would like to just bring these points to light. Feel free to tear them apart or debate them all you want - hope my points got across well!

Master50007887 (talk) 03:56, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I believe that PH, Dressrosa, and Zou are one "Pirates Alliance Saga" because they all talk about (if not obvious) the Straw Hats alliance. Chapters 823-824 seems to me like a preview to the "Vs. Yonko Saga" as they talk about the three next known arcs: WCI, Reverie, and Wano. BUT, since it was establish (somewhere. I don't know where) that PH and Dressrosa are one Saga, and That Zou is part of the Vs. Yonko Saga because the saga was announced before Zou, so people believed that the next arc automatically mean next saga, and I really don't want to start a huge debate, I say let it go until officially stated otherwise.

As for the change about the chapters, Talk:Yonko Saga Rhavkin (talk) 06:30, April 2, 2017 (UTC)