Talk:Straw Hat Pirates

Kozuki Clan/Mokomo Dukedom in Allies Section
Shouldn't we put the Kozuki clan in the ally section like it is on the Heart Pirates, instead of every single person individually. Seems counterintuitive. Ddog892 (talk) 23:01, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

I have to agree. If all the members work for the Kozuki Family (in this case, Momonosuke), then it can be shortened up to to the Kozuki Family. KingCannon (talk) 23:18, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Well of course, we should do that.

Joekido (talk) 00:14, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

Individual characters seems like a no-no. But do we include the whole Mokomo Dukedom as a part of the "Kozuki Clan", or are they separate entities? 01:34, March 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Asking the correct question, JSD! We definitely shouldn't add individual characters, not when they're all part of the same organization. But exactly which organization they belong to is the question. I think going with the "Kozuki Clan" is the safer bet for now, so let's go with it. 03:05, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

On second thought, it's called the "Ninja-Mink-Pirate alliance", I think we should consider the minks separately. 11:39, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

That could be redundant considering that the Mink leaders are already retainers of the Kozuki Family.

One could argue that because the entire tribe is under Inuarashi and Nekomamushi, they're in a way subservient to the Kozuki Family despite not being retainers. Chapter 815 showed this well, with every mink kneeling down.

This is basic organization. The subordinate of the subordinate of the boss is still a subordinate of the boss. KingCannon (talk) 01:56, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but the forces they represent are still vastly different. One is a family in one country, the other is the entire force of a country. They both get their names directly mentioned in the alliance by Luffy, I think they should be both represented separately in the gallery. Let the article explain why the alliance between them exists. 18:14, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

We probably shouldn't base our articles on the stupid names Luffy utters once in a while, though I still agree that both the 'dukedom' and Kozuki retainers should be counted as different entities. Just for simplicity's sake. 18:21, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

The alliance in the manga clearly views the Minks as separated from the Kozuki Family. "Ninja-Mink-Pirate" Alliance, hello? So we should view the Kozuki Family and the Minks as two entirely different entities. In that case, let them be represented separately in the gallery as JSD said. 18:24, March 24, 2016 (UTC)

It is now formatted correctly. 17:54, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

no Ichimi
Doesn't "Mugiwara no Ichimi" mean Straw Hat Crew and not Pirates? Does the Japanese need to be changed to match Straw Hat Pirates? Meshack (talk) 02:16, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

They are "Mugiwara no Ichimi". They have not been called "Mugiwara Kaizokudan" in the manga. --Klobis (talk) 02:00, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

So should we change the name to "Straw Hat Crew"? Meshack (talk) 12:56, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

Nah, it means basically the same thing and every official translation calls them the Straw Hat Pirates. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:57, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

I didn't know official translations influence the way this wiki works Meshack (talk) 02:33, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

They can help when we're considering a term that is pretty much the same as the one for every other pirate crew in the series.

Why are you being stubborn about this? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:36, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

I was just asking but Klobis said they were never referred to as Mugiwara no Kaizokudan in the manga so why have the name of the page this? Meshack (talk) 02:54, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

That's odd, first few examples I checked in official translation had it as Straw Hat Crew (Chapter 796, Chapter 803, twice in Chapter 806, Chapter 846, Chapter 850). At the very least it's inconsistent. But it's also been romanized as 'Straw Hat Crew' in the Japanese character introduction pages of the volumes for 25 volumes now. 107.6.84.228 09:52, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. In the Japanese version of the manga, the name of the group is romanized "Straw Hat Crew" Meshack (talk) 13:09, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

So... is the change going to be taken into consideration? Meshack (talk) 13:44, March 10, 2017 (UTC)

It's better to be consistent with every other pirate crew then make the exception here. We have more things on the wiki that aren't translated literally. Besides, the term has been used for soooo long, does it really matter? 16:41, March 10, 2017 (UTC)

Part 2
I still think the page should be Straw Hat Crew rather than Straw Hat Pirates. Oda writes the name as Straw Hat Crew so this page should be written that way like others Meshack (talk) 03:58, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

Dude, starting the same conversation without anything new happening isn't gonna get you anywhere Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:48, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. This was discussed already. Unless you have something new to bring to the topic, it's not getting reopened any time soon.

10:37, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

I'm bringing this up again because it bothers me that this wiki uses spellings by Oda but completely ignores the Straw Hat Crew spelling and chooses Straw Hat Pirates over it. Again, the Japanese for the two terms are different so I don't see why you guys aren't changing it to Straw Hat Crew Meshack (talk) 02:25, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

Where is it romanized as such? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:30, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

Everywhere. Here's an example. It's in all of the volumes and even in the ONE PIECE magazine. Meshack (talk) 02:54, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

They have also been reffered to as. You can go on about that the CP9 image is older than the volume introduction page, but what we should be looking for is a compromise. Does the fact that they are always referred to as Straw Hat Crew be relevant against the naming system every other pirate crew has? Is there even a distinct difference between crew and pirates in figurative sense? My suggestion is to change the phrase in the introduction to "mainly referred to as the Straw Hat Crew" and leave it as Pirates. 08:50, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

Whenever "ichimi" has been used in the series so far, it has referred to pirates. We don't have any examples of the crew of, for example, a cruise ship being referred to/named as "ichimi". There's that understanding that though they might say "crew", they are talking about pirates. I see no problem with leaving the page name as it is. MizuakiYume (talk) 09:21, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

@AuroraOfDeath Horrible example unless you're also suggesting to change Straw Hat to Mugiwara. Ichimi can mean "crew," not pirates. Kaizoukudan can means "pirates" Meshack (talk) 03:57, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

I learnt it from the master of bringing up horrible examples: you. Now, do you refuse or not refuse that they have been referred to as both, since you never explained? I acknowledge that they have only been referred to as a crew, but the discussion doesn't end there, so please stop repeating that. My request is that you reply to the things brought upon the table by me and MizuakiYume. I know it's hard for you to consider counter-arguments, but please try. Thank you. 12:09, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

They are pirates but that doesn't change what I said. Meshack (talk) 20:09, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

For the sake of consistency, we're leaving it as pirates. Crew is simply a more casual term given the reader's familiarity with the group. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. 20:41, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Leave it as pirates 01:44, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

Leave as pirates and this discussion is over. 22:54, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

Jinbe
With chapter 863, Jinbe has left the Big Mom Pirates with intentions of joining the Straw Hats. Should he be considered an official member now because of how welcoming the Straw Hats are towards him? It hasn't been 100% outright stated but I think all things considered it's guaranteed. Ecylisis (talk) 15:07, April 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * He specifically left the Big Mom Pirates because he was joining the Straw Hat Crew. He did leave but I don't think he's part of the crew yet Meshack (talk) 15:49, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

He's all ready to join now and intends to do so, but he did not join yet. 16:08, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Lets just wait for a few more chapters coz who knows... Jinbe might die in the nexe chapter.

He Has Joined STRAWHATS he dies or not, he is now offiical memeber of Strawhats. so add him in the list  11:23, May 22, 2017 (UTC) VickyDluffy (talk)

I want to add that Luffy did ask Jinbe to join the crew back on fisherman island, so this is not one sided from just Jinbe wanting to join. It's a mutual thing from both the crew and Jinbe, so please do update. LlVIU (talk) 23:44, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

Vivi was asked and ponder whether or not to go. Wait until the end of the arc, shouldn't be long now. Rhavkin (talk) 23:50, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

No. Wait for full confirmation i.e. the end of the arc like Rhav said. 04:01, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

With the latest chapter, it's looking much more like a confirmation that Jinbe can be considered as part of the crew no? He basically just fell perfectly into his role as a helmsman, a position the crew has always lacked, which has always been indicated to be a role Jine was meant to fulfil. Not to mention, he just saved the crew's lives while fulfiling that position. Woohoot (talk) 00:10, October 6, 2017 (UTC)

I agree, that we can count Jinbe as the helmsman of the Strawhats from here on. He is called like that when they escape Big Moms wave and he did not just announce it to Big Mom and Ruffy but also to his old crew, the Sun Pirates. Bobowm (talk) 17:56, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

Jinbe/straw hats
Shouldn't Jinbe be affiliated with the straw hat pirates ?Strawhat Idriss (talk) 01:27, June 12, 2017 (UTC)

Jimbe seems like he's going to join but I haven't read the magna lately so I don't know if it's official yet. It seems like he's going to at the end of the Whole Cake Island arc unless he gets killed Shadowneko (talk) 02:25, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

Why aren't the germa 66 or the vinsmoke family listed under ally for the straw hat pirates  but the Germa  66 is listed under the firetank pirates To love this (talk) 02:13, August 11, 2017 (UTC)