Talk:Straw Hat Pirates

The "X" Mark
Unless Vivi is a former member then the line "They made a black X mark on their left arms, as a symbol of their belonging to the Straw Hats." should be removed.

Rejoining
About the Straw Hat Pirates...

I don't think Joekido is understanding that, yes, Franky did recently join, but Usopp left... and has yet to re-join.

-BattleFranky202

Another thing
Even though Usopp probably IS going to rejoin, he still hasn't yet! That's why we should treat it as though he still hasn't re-joined yet!

-BattleFranky202
 * Usopp rejoined in 438. (Justyn 05:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC))

Current Crew Setup
Can the current crew setup be changed to something like that presented in the Galley-La page. Each crewmember will consist of a brief paragraph or two explaining when and where they joined, basic information, shared info like dreams and bounties, and what not. At the the top of each of these sections will be a link to their individual articles link like the Galley-La page. So okay? I'll liked to be the one to change it to that way if accepted.Mugiwara Franky

I like the idea! Sounds cool!

-BF202, December 18, 2006

All that stuff about Robin
I find it unnecessary...

-BF202, December 20, 2006


 * The stuff Joekido put seems somewhat unnecessary but actually I could work with it somewhat. Anyway I'll modify the current crew setup like I said I would as soon as I can. Multitasking is really hard. Mugiwara Franky 12:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Usopp's Bounty
Umm. Stop taking this away okay. The government and the rest of the world may only know him by Sogeking but it is Usopp's bounty. While, they haven't identified who Sogeking is, they have identified Sogeking is member of the StrawHats and anyone who isn't as easily persuaded as Luffy and Chopper would know Usopp is Sogeking. I mean how many long nosed guys are there in the Straw Hats.Mugiwara Franky 01:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Something about Vivi
Where in Chapter 440 of the manga does Vivi say she wouldn't be able to keep up with them? I don't like that part about her one bit. She is as strong willed (and physically strong) as Nami. - Frozen Blue Flame


 * Its actual 439 she appears... So that is a mistake. Its right after Smoker and Tashigi's bit. Even though she was a clone of Nami, she lack something Nami had - a big enough dream. She had no drive beyond Alabasta's welfare. One-Winged Hawk 07:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I looked at Chapter 439, and I still couldn't find anything. Could anyone provide a link? I think she is a lot like Nami, but I wouldn't call her her clone. Vivi has a whole side that Nami doesn't have, and the opposite applies too. It is true that she had no dream beyond Alabasta, however, one might say that she wanted to become a pirate and have adventures with as a Straw Hat. Maybe even be the Pirate Queen (Haha, that's what my subtitles said when I watched the episode when she decided she won't go on the ship... crappy Hong Kong subtitles, but I don't know, maybe the subtitles were accurate). Frozen Blue Flame 08:19 A.M., 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * here. This is a MSN site so you may have to have to join and sign up for a passport account or whatever its called from MSN services. One-Winged Hawk 16:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, I didn't realize there was a second page. Thanks Hawk........ Ok, so I just read that bit of the manga and I must say, Vivi is not really saying she wouldn't be able to keep up with the Straw Hats (actually, personally, I still consider her a Straw Hat, she is just saying that Luffy is stronger than her. When she says "Our skills levels are different" she is still talking about Luffy. Luffy is also "stronger" than the rest of the Straw Hats too so I think that part should be deleted. - Frozen Blue Flame


 * Hmmm... Give it a small test to see how it goes and then work from there. If after you've removed it doesn't seem right you could revert it back. One-Winged Hawk 22:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

List the Thousand Sunny as a crew member.
The Thousand Sunny should be listed as a crew member in this article.


 * Tomorrow when I have time. It should have already been done. Bad OWH, you've been lazy again. Actually I forgot about it. And Merry was meant to have come off anyway. My bad again. One-Winged Hawk 21:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been meaning to do this for awhile now, but I can't find a good portrait picture of it. But then again, I'm a lazy bastard :P Slayerlx 22:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey just realizing is it necessary to have the viking funeral of the going merry info in EVERY straw hat page? The stooge 10:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC) The stooge

I also think they should list Vivi as a crew member also. She may not be with them, but they will still call her 'nakama'.


 * It's a ship. Not a crewmember. Also Vivi never joined so she is not a crewmember. Sign your comments. Drunk Samurai 18:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Correction, the Going Merry WAS considered a nakama during the CP9 incidents, it was mentioned several times. Regarding Vivi's membership, actaully they did state she was considered a nakama, but Vivi made it clear to them she could never be their nakama. As the circumstances werre against her, though nakama she is, crewmember she isn't. To call her "honourably" is incorrect, however equally its also wrong to consider her part of the crew. Remember, with the straw hats, the word nakama means many things. For them, it mainly means their family. One-Winged Hawk 23:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Stupid long list
Okay a preposal;

Rather then having a long list of people who were allies, list the arcs and state who joined the crew for what reason as allies/travlelling companions, etc. That list is a problem as much as a handy tool. One-Winged Hawk 09:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * How about maybe a table listing them down?Mugiwara Franky 15:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm currently making the table at the moment. See here and comment.Mugiwara Franky 15:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I already tried a table Angel Emfrbl/Bounty tables prior to stating this. To be honest, yours is kind cramped. The version I was working on is a lot better laid out, its the same table I used for the bounties page. The reason why I gave it up is the same reason why I'm discussing things here, reguardless of the circumstances, that list is STILL too long. I'm beginning to agree with what wikipedia did when it scrapped the list on the SHs page. One-Winged Hawk 21:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Made some modifications based on comments. What makes the list too big is that it takes too much space than the actual content of the page. In Wikipedia, I believe it poses a real problem since the Straw Hat crew page doesn't have much content. Here however, we have more content to balance out the list. Also from what I noticed from a small preview, the list looks smaller when tablelized correctly.Mugiwara Franky 02:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the amount of whats written besides each group is the problem? Even with that table fixed now, it just seems exessive when you tablize it. We need a few more peeps on the discussion. :-/ One-Winged Hawk


 * For the single characters at least, some basics norms might be needed for the table.
 * The info per person should at least contain why they help or traveled with the Straw Hats and what they contributed.
 * The info shouldn't contain more than the above two for most characters. Stating that character A is a Fishman that helps the Straw Hats fulfills the minimum. Stating character A's physical appearance and personality is too much.
 * Certain characters, such as Vivi, who contributed alot, may need a small paragraph. The paragraph shouldn't be too much.
 * Characters who are generally grouped together but aren't given a group name, such as Hatchan, Camie, and Pappug, don't need a separate section.
 * I believe this is currently being followed for the most part without the table. Also from the look of the list as is without modification, what gives it the sense of being big is that each ally is given a page section when their info is very small.Mugiwara Franky 02:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wondering if it would be better to list the arcs instead with who helped during those arcs, travelling companions would be listed in the arc they joined and the arc they left with final note on their status. Maybe with a couple of sentances of who helped the SHs and why during those arcs. Listing the arcs is a much shorter list then listing the whole lot.


 * E.g.... Angel Emfrbl/Bounty tables One-Winged Hawk 12:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

That may work for some people but for characters who helped for more than one arc like Vivi and Carue, it maybe too repetitive. For instance, you would get a cell for Whiskey Peak listing Vivi that she joined there. Then you get another cell for Little Garden listing Vivi that she helped explain things about the islands to the crew. Then you get another cell for Drum listing Vivi that she helped the crew safe passage to land on the island. Then you get Arabasta which is shown above as an example. Basically we may get more sentences about what Vivi did in each arc than just a general thought. This may not be a problem for us if we alone manage it, but others who see it may add more than necessary. Lists tend to have that effect.

I guess I'm just seeing a list of lists. There maybe fewer arcs than characters but making a list of arcs that lists every person that helped in each is kinda over complicating things. I mean which is easier to understand, a cell that contains at most a five sentence paragraph about a single person, or six cells that each contain one to two sentences about what that person did mixed in with other sentences about what other people did.

Course maybe I'm examining it into it too much. Try making a table that lists as much arcs as you can with that idea. Make the table and list down the characters that way bearing in mind that some characters would be listed down in more than one cell like Vivi.Mugiwara Franky 19:01, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, you need only list WHEN they joined and WHEN they stopped aiding them. Everything between is not needed to be mentioned. So Vivi would be mentioned in Whiskey Peak and then again in Alabasta to say she left. One-Winged Hawk 13:19, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess that can be handled easily by us but can that be easily seen by others. The Arc list seems to list people who helped and traveled the Straw Hats per arc without instructions. A Little Garden arc cell may encourage others to fill in Vivi's inclusion.


 * There's also the problem that not all arcs have characters that helped or traveled with the Straw Hats. There are supporting characters in every arc but not every one of them aided the Straw Hats significantly. Most of them were helped by the crew instead the other way around.


 * Another matter about the list, I maybe thinking too much but there is the chance that some of the Straw Hats maybe added in by others by the way it looks. There is the possibility that people may add for example Franky in a Water 7 cell since he started as a traveling companion there and in a Post-Enies Lobby cell since that's when built the sunny and joined the crew.Mugiwara Franky 13:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of lists did anyone see mine on my userpage? Rainbowman 28 June 2008


 * Yes, however they really isn't much linked to this beyond the fact you have a list. You could help though by saying what you think of the ideas being run here between MF and I. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 13:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Well maybe you can have a short list of One Piece sagas with the members and possibly the allies. For example:


 * East Blue Saga- Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji
 * Baroque Works Saga- Chopper, Robin
 * Skypiea Saga-
 * CP9 Saga- Franky
 * Red Line Saga- Brook

If you don't like it you can always erase this.^

Don't forget to make a list of villains for each saga. Rainbowman 29 June 2008


 * Umm, other than putting a possible obstacle that I stated in, it's kinda oversimplifying the problem. The problem is that there is a long list of characters that appear to take up a relatively huge portion of the page. Maybe adding more info about the Straw Hats themselves other than their allies may balance the page. What the list itself needs most I believe however is a structured table that lists the characters down and doesn't make people go up and down the page just to get the idea of what a certain character did to help the Straw Hats.Mugiwara Franky 04:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Its the size MF, not the contents of each "ally". If we look at the list in the true context, everyone who smiled correctly at the Straw Hats has been listed. Vivi, Franky Family and the Galley-La are the real true allies here, having fought by their side. Others like Genzo, Cricket and Mr.2 Bon Kurei merely aided the SHs as one-offs even though it was still valuable. Perhaps if we be a little more discrimtive against who should and shouldn't be listed, the list itself might be a lot smaller.One-Winged Hawk 06:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not everyone who smiled at the Straw Hats is listed. Vivi listed here but Gaimon isn't. Cricket isn't listed as a single individual but as a part of the Saruyama Alliance.


 * I guess a little discrimination maybe needed. But what would constitute a character being included on the list. Here are my prerequisites for an ally to be placed in the list.


 * Must have contributed something to the crew either by traveling with them or aiding them.
 * Their contribution was something of real value. (ex. Vivi traveling with Straw Hats = real value, Mr. 9 traveling with Straw Hats = not really valuable)
 * The value of their contribution is great enough because it forwards the story from the Straw Hat's perspective. (ex. Saruyama Alliance modifying Going Merry and leading the Straw Hats = forwards the story, Fishmonger giving Sanji the Elephant Tuna = not forwarding the story)
 * They're people whose character can't be replaced with another in the situations they helped the Straw Hats. (ex. Mr. 2 helping the Straw Hats escape from Hina = can't be replaced since his disguise as Luffy is what fooled the Marines into chasing him, Old Man that gave Usopp food after he left the crew = can be replaced with any other vendor in Water 7)


 * These are what are my values that constitutes a person being included here.Mugiwara Franky 01:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Well either of you better make this section shorter to avoid filling up this talkpage. Anywho how's this for a list of allies:

East Blue Saga
 * Coby
 * Mayor Boodle
 * Usopp Pirates
 * Kaya
 * Gaimon
 * Johnny and Yosaku
 * Zeff
 * Patty and Carne
 * Genzo
 * Nojiko

Baroque Works Saga
 * Vivi
 * Karoo (Karue)
 * Iggarham (Mr. 8)
 * Dorry and Broggy
 * Dalton
 * Dr. Kureha
 * Portgaz D. Ace
 * Pell
 * Chaka
 * King Nefertari Cobra
 * Mr. 2 Bon Kurei (I think it should be Mr. 2 Bon Clay if it's mentioned in the FUNimation movie)

Skypeia Saga
 * Blackbeard? (Jaya arc)
 * Saruyama Alliance
 * Pagaya
 * Asia
 * Conis
 * Wiper (Wyler as mentioned in the Cartoon Network dub)
 * Berserker
 * Montblanc Norland

CP9 Saga
 * Tonjit (Davy Back Fight arc)
 * Galley-La Company
 * Franky Family
 * Kokoro
 * Chimney
 * Gonbe
 * Yokozuna
 * Oimo and Kashi

Red Line Saga (so far)
 * Rolling Pirates
 * Camie
 * Pappug
 * Hatchan
 * Flying Fish Riders (Rosy Life Riders since they refomed)
 * Silvers Rayliegh

What would you make of these lists?^ If you want me to add any filler allies, just say the word and it shall be done.Rainbowman 30 June 2008


 * I think your confusing some of the points of the discussion, if not missing them, Rainbowman. While your suggestions are good, they just seem to make the discussion, if you pardon me, lose its focus. They maybe good, but for me, they seem to throw the discussion off track since you seem to include problems like Angel's stated problem that everyone who smiled at the Straw Hats in the list. Your comments are welcome of course, but I'm not sure if they are helpful if they make the discussion confusing.


 * By the way, discussions like this normally tend to become long.Mugiwara Franky 01:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Made more modifications to my table here. This is as small as I can get as of now without modifying the description of each person.Mugiwara Franky 02:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks really small when applied to the page in a preview.Mugiwara Franky 02:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I kind of like the table I was working on orginally, yours still looks cramped. I think the only way to resolve the allies problem may be just to list the person/group and the arcs they appeared in and leave off how they helped, its written on their pages anyway. One-Winged Hawk 07:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Nothing against your table ideas actually, just some little things such as whitespace, the idea of going up and down to know characters when a single straight line is better to read, and others. True the only way to resolve the matter would be that but can't these characters have a little sentences. The sentences don't need to be super long, just enough. Plus other than telling what the characters did, the sentences can serve as a little more persuasion for readers and potential editors to visit the pages. People tend to visit places when they are signs to tell them what's up ahead. Besides it would make the list much more than a list of links.

(Don't want to aggravate anyone by the way. Just stating my thoughts. Would be better if there were more than three people talking here though.)Mugiwara Franky 16:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Well while you guys try and get more people to discuss this, there's still my section of Nami's suffering on my talkpage. If you think it's confusing when I shortened it let me know so I can restore it. I saved copies of our discussions on notepads. Anywho if anyone cares to, I would like more discussions on Nami's suffering until some words of kindness can be mentioned for that monster in me. Rainbowman 1 July 2008

I thought that robin joined in the skypiea saga?67.87.235.185 01:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)luffymonkey


 * She didn't join, she stated she was theri responisblity; she was traveling with them but not as thier nakama. During CP9 incident, she became a member. The only thing she hasn't earnt is her number title chapter, so part of the crew she is, offically certified she is not.One-Winged Hawk 01:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

oh,thanks.67.87.235.185 01:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)luffymonkey

Interaction diagram.
I am not sure that the diagram should really be on here in it's current form. It seems fairly arbitrary and doesn't seem to all that accurate in many cases. For example the respects other person arrows, with Robin and Franky going to Luffy, makes sense, but it's pretty obvious that the person that supports and respects Luffy the most as both a fighter, and as the captain, is Zoro. In the situation with Usopp leaving the crew he was most adamant that he show respect and apologize to Luffy and treat him as a captain. There have been many other times where he has purposefully made a show of deferring to the Captains decision as an example for others, as well as asking Luffy what he wants to do and awaiting his decision. Also just in general the arrows tying people together seem arbitrary, and do not cover all the interactions among the crew. Also it is very confusing, perhaps the best way to show at a glance the interactions with other crew members would be a cross-referencing table, with the names listed in columns and rows, and in each box simply have a few details about their interactions with the other crewmember whose name correlates to that box.Ultenth 00:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoops! Forgot about the diagram... Well its a nice idea, buteveryone has their opinion on how it should happen. I forgot about this because I got fed up. I actually tried a few peoples' ideas from AP forums and they produced a more confusing crap then the diagram I had was. I'll remove it while I work on it more. --One-Winged Hawk 00:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a good idea to have something on there like that, but I just think it would be better in a form that shows EVERY characters relationships with the others. I think in terms of being clean and easy to understand, that a cross table (think of an excel spreadsheet with everyone's names going both across and down) would work best. Simply plug everyone's names in, and then in the box where Nami's name is above the Chopper row, have a couple small details of their relationships and interactions, etc. The only problem with something like this is that it will always be somewhat based in opinion and individual perception, unless you're getting the details direction from Oda himself. Everyone will have a somewhat different perception of what each of the characters think of each other (for example I personally think that Zoro and Robin have a very strong connection, because they are two of the most mature and serious members of the crew, and often on the same side in many debates, they give off an almost mom and dad type of atmosphere together, not that I think there is any actual romance potential between them). I guess maybe just make a series of posts on some major forums asking people's opinions of what each character combinations are like, and then use the results of the debates to base the table off of.Ultenth 00:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Forums are not at all accurate. Instead I propose that we use evidence from the manga and anime. This way no ones opinions will be counted and it will be based purely on what we have seen so far. For example Robin and Zoro do take the same sides but that does not count for anything. That just proves that they have a similar logic. We can base it on the fact that Zoro was the only one that did not fall for Robin when she joined the crew.(proving they probably have the weakest relationship in the crew). Nami's relationship with Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy is that she uses them. Usopp and Nami share a close bond as shown in the manga and anime and are like brother and sister and Chopper and Robin also share an interesting relationship. I think we should base it on scenes in the anime and manga. Oathkeeper of oblivion 03:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem with that idea is that many of the things are inferred when it comes to character relationships. You can assume that Robin and Nami are close because they hang out and are nice to each other, but you never actually see straight up dialogue between them in anime or manga form where they specifically state that they are good friends and have a closer relationship than most crewmembers. So anyone saying that is inferring it due to events in the story, and two people watching it might come away with different opinions of the events. Such is the example with Zoro and Robin, they may have had a hard time at the beginning because he was more distrusting, but he is that way towards everyone initially, it's simply his nature, he's like the anti-Luffy when it comes to trust. The reason I suggested a forum is because having the conversation here will only end up in probably 2-5 people discussing it, which isn't a wide enough cross-sample of people's perceptions of the characters. For example your perceptions of Usopp and Nami, which I disagree with, as their only real connection is that they are both weak and scared all the time, and thus on the same side on many adventure decisions due to that, but outside of that and him building her weapon (which she cheated him out of paying for) they really don't interact all that often. So unless you keep everything about their relationships to stuff they explictly state or remove the section entirely, you need to get a good sample of people's perceptions so that you can come to the most widely-used ones. To be honest, anything of that nature is contrary to the idea of a fact based encyclopedia or wiki, so although I would love to see it because I think it could give some great information to users, in the end it will still be somewhat opinion based. In short, if it wants to be true to the idea of a wiki/encyclo, it either needs to be removed, have only explicitly stated relationship facts included, or you need to go ask Oda for every detail. Personally I find that unfortunate, because as I said I think having relationship details adds much to the article, but in the end you will always have disagreements and arguments about anything that isn't completely fact-based. So yes, it needs to be based on scenes in the anime and manga, but even the examples you stated are still implied and opinion-based, and not truely objective and factual.Ultenth 04:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Its simpler not to include the anime at all. The anime has many elements of non-canon in it and we usually avoid it where possible. A classic example is Zoro cutting "anything" in the Warship Island arc and later in the Alabasta not cutting Steel. Another classic is with Robin and the TV speical where they put effort into saving a actors preformance. All crew members played a part in the play, with Robin attempting to sing all her lines. --One-Winged Hawk 08:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Either that or you have sepereate sections for anime and manga, but that still doesn't solve the main problem, that most of the relationship stuff is implied, which means that different people will have different opinions of what they really mean, so it won't be factual enough to really include in a wiki. Unless you only use relationship facts that characters actually state, or info from the author that he states, it will always be subjective opinions.

List of Locations
For the locations visited by the Straw Hat Pirates, should we include the ones from the filler, or just keep it canon? Yatanogarasu 21:26, 26 November (UTC)


 * Actually, including filler locations would be useful since it will make the article mor informative and does not contradict any of our policies, since filler attacks and battles are listed in the character articles. El Chupacabra 11:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

We should create an seperate fiiler location list

Joekido 12:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * But the location list is already separated into smaller sublists (East Blue locations, Grand Line locations, etc.) Since some of the locations are int the East Blue (Ganzack's Island, Warship island) and others on the Grand Line, we would also have to separate the list as well. This can disturb the reader and won't show the continuity as in the anime. I think it would be better to add filler locations into the main list but mark themsomehow, for example by writing the names in italic or writing "(filler)" behind the location's name. El Chupacabra 13:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Mr. 2
Sorry for putting it here but in the travveling companions and allies thing shouldnt mr. 2 be on the list? The stooge 07:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)The stooge


 * Mr. 2's on the list right under Ace and above Gan Fall. Since he aided the Straw Hats prior to Impel Down he's listed down there.Mugiwara Franky 09:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Special relationships amongst the Crew
I think we should expand the relationships section and mention all these rivalries and companionships between different crewmembers. This crude list in revision 87867 is of course not appropriate, but the idea behind it makes sense, so we should include this information into the article in a better written way. El Chupacabra 11:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There is this file made by Angel Emfrbl, which was once in this page but was removed. I don't know if one shall put it back. Kdom 10:54, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think its worth noting, as others pointed out before at times the relationships vary. One-Winged Hawk 12:48, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Speculation on new crew member
Say, what are the chances of the following becoming the new members of the Strawhat crew?:


 * Marguerite- She stood up for Luffy
 * Sweet Pea- Looks quite strong
 * Aphelandra- New tallest member
 * Emporio Ivankov- His hormonal powers could prove useful
 * Inazuma- He/She looks rather unique. Hope he/she is born under the sign of gemini.

Rainbowman 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Not a forum. On that note, three fifths of those people can't be since they're left behind.Mugiwara Franky 01:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Left behind for the time being. Luffy may not have said "when" he will return to Amazon Lily, but he definitely intends to return there with his crewmates. On another note, could we at least put Emporio Ivankov and Inazuma among the list of speculated crew members in the "Mythbusters" page? Rainbowman 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I've not seen people want them on the crew, only MR.2 has been speculated and he think is already on the list.... One-Winged Hawk 06:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Strawhat number representations
I understand about how each of the strawhat crew were numbered in order:


 * Monkey D. Luffy- 1
 * Roronoa Zoro- 2
 * Nami- 3
 * Usopp- 4
 * Sanji- 5
 * Tony Tony Chopper- 6
 * Nico Robin- 7
 * Franky- 8
 * Brook-9

but what's with the additional numbers on the following?:

Monkey D. Luffy: 01; 56 Nami: 03; 73 Sanji: 05; 32; 59

Any idea what those numbers indicate? Rainbowman 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The extra numbers as shown on the page, show extra significance. 56 is Go-mu in Japanese. Go-mu is equivalent to Gomu which in Japanese means rubber. Thus 56 is a number of Luffy.


 * The same goes for the other numbers.Mugiwara Franky 02:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

So what's the extra significance with 73 being the number for Nami? Also why does Sanji have two extra numbers while Luffy and Nami each have only one? Rainbowman 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 73 is Na-mi in Japanese. The girl is called Nami. 32 is San-ji in Japanese. 59 is Ko-kku in Japanese. It sounds like Japanese pronunciation of cook. Sanji has two extra numbers because Oda saw two significant numbers related to the character.Mugiwara Franky 03:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

separation serial
should we put the straw hat separation serial in the template of straw hat pirates???Rainelz 02:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, as it kinda doesn't fit anywhere in the template. P.S. Please sign with four tildes ( ~ ). It lets other people know who's talking and is somewhat easier than actually typing the whole signature.Mugiwara Franky 12:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

look what i made xD
So tell me what you think about it xD (for some reason the lines arent showing...) and ill update pictures and status if this gets approved ^^ --Pyarox 23:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Simplifies stuff but seems a bit too much.


 * Where would it be placed.
 * Some parts would be constricted depending on the width and it may displace the article if increased.
 * If implemented, it would replace a chunk of the article.


 * Mugiwara Franky 01:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

hmmm 1. under the strawhat members section, 2. that would be a problem, 3. it can be both there i gues since this is only a brief explenation --Pyarox 11:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd remove "status" and "Jolly Roger" and there not so important. That would make restriction of space a little but easier. One-Winged Hawk 18:53, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Burglar Cat Nami
That's always bugged me, since I've always heard the term as "cat burglar". Is that an easy mistranslation, or is there some reason as to why it's phrased differently.--24.255.171.220 21:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Additional Animals?
Say you guys, who was it that put in additional animal info for the Strawhat crew and why would he/she think each member would be represented by those animals? i.e.:


 * Monkey D. Luffy: Monkey, Emu, Turtle, Penguin, Wolf and Cheetah
 * Roronoa Zoro: Shark, Cow, Panda, Mammoth and Chicken
 * Nami: Cat, Pig, Lemur, and Goat
 * Usopp: Armadillo, Dog, Frog, Hawk and Jackal
 * Sanji: Duck, Bear and Swan
 * Tony Tony Chopper: Reindeer and Moose
 * Nico Robin: Crane, Mice, Llama and Capuchin
 * Franky: Bull and Elephant
 * Brook: Horse, Mandrill, Coyote, Elk, and Mantis

Whoever did that better explain themselves. Rainbowman 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Probably just a prank by 24.147.110.158. At least they didn't add anything explicit like most of the pranksters that has messed with this wiki, remember Robsterboy123's?
 * Kaizoku-Hime 01:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Who shall be the next nakama?
Discussion moved to: Forum:Index/One Piece Manga. One-Winged Hawk 10:49, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Allies and Traveling Companions
Should characters listed as these have the Straw Hat template listed on their page, since they're considered allies of the Straw Hats (in the same way that Whitebeard's allies have the Whitebeard template on their page)? The Pope 17:28, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nuh, I don't think allies count on the list of "must be on page" for SHs and any other. Former and current definately. We're getting template overload on some pages as it is. One-Winged Hawk 18:51, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * The Straw Hat allies, while allied with them one point or another, aren't exactly Straw Hats or dedicate themselves to the Straw Hat flag. The Whitebeard allies on the other hand, swear their allegiance to Whitebeard despite being of separate crews.Mugiwara Franky 23:00, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * If we have a category for the villains, we should create one for the friends, and I isn't it usual to put the template into all articles the template links to? Actually, it would be useful to create a category for them and put the Template:Strawhat on their pages. This will prevent people from categorize them as "official" Straw Hats. El Chupacabra 16:33, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Favorite food
Where does the favorite food come from again?Mugiwara Franky 23:17, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * One of the SBS, Brooks and co came in a different one though which included Franky, Robin and he. One-Winged Hawk 23:40, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

The New Straw HATS!!!!
This is great!!! At the battle of Marineford, Luffy comes up with new guys!!! Crocodile, Ivankov, the level 5 revolutionaries, Jimbei, and more!!!These guys could form the new JOLLY ROGER PIRATES!!! Luffy will get a great crew, better than his original! If you notice it, this crew will bear a resemblance to the original Roger crew.


 * No, that would suck. The original crews better in character development and well, Oda wouldn't do that. But who cares anyway? This isn't a forum it's a talk page! So but anyway, just No. Lord Uiruu 16:41, January 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be a fundamental break... However, Oda-sensei made a lot of unexpected things. It is not entirely impossible. Nevertheless, It would be somehow sad if the crew we all know and love will be replaced by these pople. El Chupacabra 16:47, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't Sanji have the classification as Super-Human Speed?
If Zoro can keep up with Sanji at a running pace and Sanji runs as fast as we have seen (i.e. Like when he charged at Oar (aka Oz)as part of his attack you can see that he was moving like a bullet so to speak.) Also he was able to keep up with Kalfia who could and used Soru and also avoided some of her attacks.

So what my question is should Sanji have Super-Human Speed as part of his bio and on Straw Hat Pirates page too?

JonTheMan 06:44, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * No! He is fast but not THAT fast.


 * Okay lets go over it again, fast is alright, but super fast is going faster then eye can follow. There are FEW methods of reaching this level. One-Winged Hawk 12:37, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

List after list
Okay this is getting out of hand, but I'll say this formally - this page looked and read better before the random lists entered it! One-Winged Hawk 21:29, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well based on what is written, I guess at least three sections could be going a bit overboard.


 * The family that lists the family members of the Straw Hats such as Ace and Nojiko. It's a bit something I guess since such info could be placed in each Straw Hat's page.
 * The What They Know About Each Other's Past Tragedies section maybe a bit speculative since the Straw Hats kinda had more than enough time to share their tales with one another off screen.
 * The trivia section however at the bottom however would be the most guilty. The information there is kinda random like the headgear part or the piece of clothing on the left side part.

Mugiwara Franky 23:00, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * This isn't needed you can find the info on their page if you really want to know.
 * Okay, maybe but when they met Hatchan again the crew members who didn't know about him were the ones who weren't there at the time. The ones who knew about Arlong PArk were the drive against saving him at first.
 * Agreed.


 * That would at least cut some of this page down. The problem is this page is fast becoming a "trivia" loaded page. One-Winged Hawk 08:54, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes some of the trivia are very hair-splitted, the left side part being the worse. Kdom 19:28, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree with One-Wing Hawk. This page has alot of useless crap, such as the What They Know About Each Other's Past section. Oathkeeper of oblivion 01:26, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Not only the lists...the number of topics is getting quite long as well. Several topics like Rejoining, Another Thing, Mr. 2, and Additional Animals have already been resolved by developments in the storyline, or else have nothing else to discuss further. These can probably be removed entirely. Who shall be the next nakama? was already moved to the One Piece discussion page, so it should be removed from this page (or maybe moved back, since we might want to discuss who the 10th Straw Hat will be on the Straw Hat discussion page). Maybe we should make a new page where we can dump inactive/resolved discussion topics that would still be good for people to see, like Favorite food, if someone else happens to have the same question. Raikia 02:00, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Article topics like rejoining are topics that generalize a common theme that falls within Straw Hat membership. Article topics like Miscellaneous Information like Favorite Food are info that Oda specifically gave in relation to questions related to the entire crew. Article topics that have nothing else to add in general shouldn't be taken out as they are meant to inform. Articles aren't like a forum where a new topic should replace an old one and dump somewhere else just because it is hottest news.


 * Forum topics like who would be the 10th member however kinda need to be on Forums and not articles. For one thing, the only thing that could be written about the matter is speculation and not fact.Mugiwara Franky 05:46, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for the low reading comprehension....while it seems everyone has been discussing the Straw Hat page, I was referring to this discussion page and the questions/topics posted here :P. I in no way meant that passages that have already been concluded should be removed from the Straw Hat article, since recounting everything Straw-Hat-related is the article's purpose. But I do think the discussion page should be purged once in a while of dead discussions that won't provide other readers with any information besides who screwed up where in the past. For example, while the "Rejoining" section at the top of this page served a good purpose, the issue of Usopp rejoining the crew has already been resolved.

Now, about the actual article...I feel like it might be a little complicated to set up, but the Miscellaneous Information could be put into a neat chart, with which you could cross-reference a character to the SBS questions and find the answer. The biggest problem I foresee with this though is the adding of a new column each time another member joins the crew. I agree that any detailed listing of family relations should be kept on the individual Straw Hat's page, and that What They Know About Each Other's Past Tragedies is too speculative. The Straw Hats certainly talk about some things offscreen - Robin at least somehow heard about Chopper's Monster Point even though she never witnessed it before Shabaody, and if I may speculate a bit myself, Luffy seems to know at least a good portion of Nami's past. Raikia 06:45, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * A charts only problem is it has potential to be so big it goes off the screen, however with some more complex coding that can be resolved. It would need some experimentation and someone with the time. One-Winged Hawk 09:02, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

For the miscellaneous chart, it's not only the Straw Hats you have to take note of. There's also the miscellaneous info itself. For every new volume, there is always the chance that Oda would answer a new question about the crew. In chart terms, you have a vertical column with unspecified X number of crewmates and you have a horizontal row with unspecified y number of miscellaneous info such as favorite food. It could be manageable with what is found now but it would only become bigger with new crewmates and/or new misc info.Mugiwara Franky 15:46, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * We have one chart up on this page already, but its incomplete and needs tweaking to be more practical. Perhaps we need to sandbox a chart at the very least. Though to be honest, most of the lists can go on the SHs as "trivia". >_< One-Winged Hawk 18:54, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can't we just move the individual trivia information for each member into their own page? And I'm pretty sure that alot of that information is already there. Do we really need it put twice? And anyways who keeps adding these random things to this article? Like "the X mark" really has no place on its page. It was only used in the story maybe three times? And the "What They Know About Each Other's Past Tragedies" is pretty useless as well. Oathkeeper of oblivion 01:34, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Vivi and Carue
I wonder, the Strawhat gallery template is the only one which does not contain the former members. I mean if Chopper is considered as an ex member of Foxy crew isn't that a bit unfair wrt Vivi and Carue.

As for me I would consider them Strawhat at 100% but I'm probably in minority here. Kdom 21:46, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. I think we should count them as former strawhats. Interestingly, the inofficial german wiki counts Vivi, but not Carue, as a former member. El Chupacabra 15:39, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Chopper had to swear entry into the foxys thanks to the SHs loss and the rules of the competition. Chopper joined their crew. Vivi had to part from them since she couldn't go with them, thus she never joined the crew. She was regarded as "just traveling with" by BWs and the royals. One-Winged Hawk 16:11, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * But did Luffy and the other Straw Hat consider her as a "just traveling with". Definitly no. We have a paragraph on this page about the X mark, which was maybe one of the most emotional part of One Piece so far which answer the question. The fact that Oda give them dedicate picture in the cover page is also proof that they are more than that. Kdom 21:48, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Used to being the "villains"?
Does anyone remember where Nami tells someone that, since they are pirates, the Straw Hats are all used to being portrayed as the villains? I'm trying to find the chapter/episode to reference. I thought it was after Iceburg apologized for blaming them for the assassination attempt, but apparently not. Raikia 02:12, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Robin Talents
She has a spying habits and reading people expressions isn't that an ability or capabilities or profession !!!she was supposed to have this guys!!! User:218.111.4.36 5.39, March 9,2010(UTC+09:00)

crew member(S) inspiration/mentors/ associates
i dont know if any1 has actually noticed but almost all of the straw hats early mentors / insspirations were some sort of criminal or another which led them to be a pirate

luffy : earliest inspiration: red haired shanks (pirate)

zoro: earliest inspiration ( dream to defeat mihawk) (pirate shichubakai)

nami: earliest inspiration ( arlong) (pirate)

sanji earliest inspiration ( chef zeff) former pirate

chopper earliest inspiration ( dr. hiruluk) not a criminal

nico robin earliest inspiration (ohara scientists) polygliphs readers ( branded as criminals by the World governement

brook earliest inspiration/associates (rumbar pirates) pirates

franky earliest inspiration shipwright tom san criminal convicted of build gold rogers ship)

ussop (yassop his father ) pirate in red hair shanks crew

Tigerman123 02:20, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

asw u can see almost all of the mugiwara pirates were inspired by pirates or other criminals that eventually led them to become pirates/criiminals them selves i think this should be put in thew misc. = or tivia section.

In New World
Straw Hat Pirates has already made allies with two or three of the Yonkou. They don't have to fight with very very strong opponents in the New World.

Next Straw Hat
Could maybe the next Straw Hat be of the following maybe?

Jinbei, Ivankov, Inazuma, Mr 3, Perona, Heracles or Hancock? 203.171.123.114 13:19, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * To be honest I think the best next straw hat would be Hancock. Alex475 14:02, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Article talk pages are not a forum, you can discuss stuff like that in our forum section! MasterDeva 14:18, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Profession and capabilities
I think someone should put endurance to all the males straw hat pirates capabilities.Giotis 13:38, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Split Article Proposal
Don't hate me (I know a lot of people have trouble with the Luffy article), but I think it would be good for this article if we split it up. It's incredibly long, and I believe it would make it look more organised and neater. How I think it should be divided up:
 * Main
 * ("Dreams" can stay on the main page.)
 * ("The X Mark" can stay on the main page.)
 * ("Locations Visted" can stay on the main page.)


 * Recruitment
 * Allies
 * Micellaneous

So in essance there would be four tabs: Main, Recruitment, Allies, and Micellaneous. What do you think? --YazzyDream 07:50, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, the page is not as long as Luffy's page was. It's long but not unbelievably long.Mugiwara Franky 08:52, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, I realise, but I still think it would suit this page. --YazzyDream 09:13, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Decor-wise I guess but it should only be applied where it is necessary.Mugiwara Franky 16:06, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, well, yea, haha. I think design wise it would look better, and convenient to navigate. But I hear you.  YazzyDream  16:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Char Tab treatment for the other Straw Hats Members
Moved to Forum:Character Pages.

Allies and Traveling Companions Tables
This is the way the current tables look:

Reworked
There isn't anything wrong with the current tables per se, but I do think they kind of stick out from the overall page. And that's a little... detracting. So, I was thinking it would better if the tables were clearer, and less complex.

Like I said, I know someone worked hard on the current version, so I didn't want to just go ahead and change it without some kind of notice/discussion. -- YazzyDream  06:44, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

same route
I noticed this in the trivia and had to point it out: the roger pirates traveled the WHOLE grand line meaning they had to have taken more than one trip, aka every other person traveling through the grand line have actually taken a path roger sailed through. can i remove it without any complaints?85.164.61.132 16:07, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

No, leave it. It makes sense. There are seven different paths to take from Reverse Mountain to the Red Line, and the Straw Hats seemed to have followed the same path as the Roger Pirates. By whole what they mean is they traveled it from beginning to end, not that they took more than one trip. Think of it as moving your fingers along two strings on a guitar. You get to the same place but are on two different paths, does that make sense now?DancePowderer 16:13, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

not really... but another problem with that is that we have no way of knowing that the route the strawhats are traveling is the same one that was roger last journey through the grand line. any other arguments?85.164.61.132 16:23, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Straw Hats 'new look' color spread, keep it here or not?
Looks like we got a little bit of a fight over whatever we should or should not keep the colour spread of the Straw Hats after the timeskip here on this page. I don't care either way if its here or not but you should at least discuss it here.Chopperdude 20:03, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I say it again, try to discuss it here.Chopperdude 20:24, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

New portraits
I edited the portraits for the "Strawhat crewmembers template" with new portraits from chapter 598's color spread. Please let me know what do you think about it.

Can you move it leftward a bit? It overlaps with the jolly roger.

How I can edit the "Straw Hat crewmembers template"? Because I want to put Zoro's image from the colorspread but turning to the "right side" (I mean Zoro having a left scar instead a right scar in his eye)


 * You can't. There isn't a "flip" option as far as I know. The color spread incorrectly depicts him, but it's the best one we've got. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 18:42, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Stra....what?
Is "Strawhat" considered correct? I've seen it written like that all over the Wikia, so I want to know if it's wrong before editing the rest. GMTails 01:14, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think strawhat is only correct if used as Luffy's epithet. Otherwise the words should be separated, like how the page says "Straw Hat Pirates" and not "Strawhat Pirates." When refering to either the crew itself or the actual object it should be two words. I'll just make an example sentence for clarification: Strawhat Luffy's straw hat belongs to the Straw Hat Pirates. I know it's odd, but that's the most common contexts I've seen it in.DancePowderer 01:28, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sanji's "Animal"
I have the book, where Oda answers the question about, what animals the Strawhats would be. And there it clearly states Sanji as a cheetah, not a duck. Mihoyam1 20:25, October 15, 2010 (UTC)Mihoyam1

OP Green's Strawhat Pirates
One Piece Green: Secret Pieces' romanization shows the Straw Hat Pirates as Strawhat Pirates, time to fix everything?GMTails 17:54, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

If the databook says so, go ahead and change it. With all the romanizations coming out, we're going to be busy. I'm busy enough with fixing all the Gecko Morias, Juracules and Jinbeis. But yeah, if it's in the databook, change it.DancePowderer 02:28, November 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * In this case I don't think its the most important of the things to alter and can wait. One-Winged Hawk 22:42, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Caribou
Should Caribou be added to the Allies/Traveling Companions section?DancePowderer 02:32, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Probably not. If he was, then we would have to add Mr. 9 and Miss Wednesday (with that name, not as Vivi) to the list. But since he's actually a captive, he shouldn't be on the list. GMTails 22:06, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Surume in the Crew?
Should the kraken be added to the crew? It appears that at least for now, Luffy has tamed it and it is going with them. I'm probably being a little hasty, just thought I should bring it up.DancePowderer 18:07, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yes of course 11:23, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

I personally think that we shouldnt count him as a Strawhat has it only been one chapter since he has 'joined' and it hasnt been confirmed either.Jambellyfatboi 05:37, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

If the ships are considered part of the crew, it stands to reason that a pet would be as well. 75.76.213.106 06:14, December 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's WAY too soon to consider Surume part of the crew. He's only been with the crew, like, two pages. Granted, the idea of him being part of the crew is awesome beyond belief, but still, lets wait it out a few more chapters before we see of Oda really wants this big fella to be with the Straw Hat Pirates for the rest of the journey. - BattleFranky202 07:46, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * We can consider Surume part of the crew but people editing Surume's representative color, numbers, animals,... Oda said these at a SBS so Surume's representative things should be erased.Whiskey13 18:14, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * We can consider Surume part of the crew but people editing Surume's representative color, numbers, animals,... Oda said these at a SBS so Surume's representative things should be erased.Whiskey13 18:14, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * We can consider Surume part of the crew but people editing Surume's representative color, numbers, animals,... Oda said these at a SBS so Surume's representative things should be erased.Whiskey13 18:14, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Vivi and Carue were not added in the crew, they were added as travel companions. I kinda doubt that the Kraken will follow them forever, I mean, I don't even think he'll get trough Fishman Island. So, we should put him on Travel Companions. GMTails 19:26, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
I added in Trivia that " * No one in the crew was raised by his parents except perhaps Brooks whose childhood remains unknown." Some one deleted it because "Nami was raised by a mother regardless of blood"... Yes, but Nami was more raised by the Arlong pirates than by Belmer, because she died when Nami was just a child. It's the same thing with Franky and Tom. I think that it's something interesting that no one in the crew was raised during all their childhood by a real family or only for a very short moment. Scual 17:37, january 31, 2011 (UTC)

Zoro could have been raised by his parents, we don't know yet. Also, Usopp was raised by his mother until her death. Robin had her mother for a couple years. There are too many gray areas for it to work as trivia.DancePowderer 18:02, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

When did Robin have her mother? I thought she left shortly after her birth. Though I gotta admit that the person removing it because of Nami could have chosen a better example. SeaTerror 19:49, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Usopp's mother died when he was just a child so he grew like an orphan just like the others but it's true we don't really know about Zoro, so Brook is not the only one. Scual 00:48, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Where did the Xmark go?
Leave Vivi and Carue aside, but I don't think i've seen the X mark on the rest of the Strawhats' arms since the whol Arabasta thing... ; anyone know where it disappeared to?! JapaneseOPfan 21:10, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Never thought it was a permanent mark, personally... sff9 (talk) 22:08, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

It probably just washed off, I wouldn't look too far into it.DancePowderer 22:16, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oh.. so much for the nakama symbol... JapaneseOPfan 22:18, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Nami's Bounty
Recent chapters show that Nami's bounty is 18,000,000 on her wanted poster. Is there truth to this or is it a misprint? Perhaps even a misread? 207.74.115.21 22:20, February 16 (UTC)

Here we go again. Nami's bounty is the same. Please check out the Nami talk page. For a clearer source, look at the chapter 612 talk page. JapaneseOPfan 22:42, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

check out the Nami talk page. It was a weird font, that's why the 6 looks like a 8 Pandawarrior 16:19, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

On the Bounties page I deleted the 18.000.000 bounty to keep consistency with this page. If you decide the new bounty is not an error revert my edit, but we must keep every page in accordance. leviathan_ 89  11:21, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Splitting Article into Tabs
Gonna try this again. The first time I suggested it, I was shot down pretty quickly. This page has gotten very, very long.

Please also see Forum:Tabs_on_characters_pages.

Yes, I really like the idea of splitting it; it makes life much easier. Well, nothing would be resolved even if I say this, but just in case. JapaneseOPfan 03:47, February 18, 2011 (UTC)