Talk:S-Shark

Devil Fruit
Kinda related to the talk above, lol. Why are we calling the swimming a Devil Fruit ability? The chapter doesn't mention Devil Fruits, unless I missed a detail somewhere. Earlier edits apparently also called it a "copied ability", which is also not from the chapter. It's SIMILAR to Senor Pink's Devil Fruit, but that doesn't say anything about him or his Devil Fruit. Calling it a "Devil Fruit" or a "copied ability" is, at this point, speculation. Why the edit war? 01:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with this, Nada, and the change you made is great. 02:05, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

It is clearly at least insired by the Sui Sui no Mi as noted by Franky, and the fact that it is performed in a solid sutface means that some king of unique method is used so it is more then a simple "swimming ability", and S-Shark wasn't indicating to activate an ability other then the pseudo DF to liquefy and solidify the ground back without a trace. Isn't there a rule about if it looks like a DF, and stated to be like a DF, it is a DF? Rhavkin (talk) 09:06, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Usopp calls S-Shark 能力者 (nōryoku-sha) which is the Japanese term for "Devil Fruit User" (see Devil Fruit), and Franky also recognizes it as an "ability" (能力). Claiming that it isn't Devil Fruit-related after characters say it is seems more speculative at this stage. 11:06, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Characters using thats term means that they believe to be DF power. The only why this is a fruit power and not a copy of a fruit power is for Senor Pink to be dead. We either list this ability as a copy DF power (and I still think it has the same status as the Pika Pike no Mi being a copied ability and should be under the same sub-header) or change Senor Pink's status and the Sui Sui no Mi user as well. Rhavkin (talk) 17:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

We use the header "Devil Fruit" for artificial Devil Fruits as well. So regardless of whether it's the original Sui Sui no Mi or an artificial fruit like Momonosuke's, the header would be the same. 17:26, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Artificial DF are still DF. They have the same weaknesses and successful SMILE can only be consumed once. A DF ability can be mimicked or copied as seen before with the Pacifista and Pika Pika no Mi, and both S-Shark and the Pacifista were created by Vegapunk, so it is not speculative to say Vegapunk have the ability to mimic the powers of a DF and have a living weapon use them. It IS speculative to say S-Shark's ability originated from consuming any kind of DF. Rhavkin (talk) 18:29, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Apparently Usopp calling it a Devil Fruit power was dropped from the Viz translation (which is what I read). But don't forget, characters can speculate just as much as we can. Usopp has never heard or seen a Seraphim before, so no doubt he'd make an assumption on their abilities. Like said above, some characters thought Franky was a DF user. Luffy thought Hancock had a Slow-Slow Fruit for a quick moment. The point is, a surprise reaction from a character is not grounds enough to declare Devil Fruit power. All we have to go off of is, it reminds them of a Devil Fruit. 23:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)