User talk:Rgilbert27/Archive 3

Re:Neptune Family
The person who created the page put the conjectural name template on it. The burden of proof for finding a source and restoring the page lies on him or you. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:25, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Chapter 914
Done. Someone should probably go over it because my English is mostly google translate and auto correct. Also, you know you could have done this yourself, right? Rhavkin (talk) 06:37, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Binge
You can discuses it as much as you want but I doubt there will be any difference then the last time. If you're really passionate about it, just read\watch whatever you want and edit outdated pages, no one would object to it. However having it as a wiki wide project doesn't seem to be the way. Rhavkin (talk) 09:35, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

So your plan is for anyone who want to contribute and keep this wiki up to date, will read the chapters, watch the episodes, find and translate the databooks and volumes and edit the relevant pages. And how exactly is that different from what every user has been doing so far? Rhavkin (talk) 11:45, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I'm not in America, but that's not the point. I know what binges are, the first episode of One Piece I saw was 517 (the first episode after the timeskip) as recommended to me by a friend on it's original release date (Oct 02, 2011), and then I saw the entire series till I caught up which was 527 (Dec 11, 2011) and read the from that point till the latest chapter (648, Dec 05, 2011), catching up to the series in two months while working, so I think I know what a binge is, and what a 'One Piece binge' is.

What I'm saying is, while I truly believe your idea is good, as we both saw the wiki has decided by majority to not have it as a wiki project, regardless of which wiki attendees take part in it. So again, feel free to do it yourself or ask for help from other users, and take as much time as you need until you'll fulfill your ideals and in the process improve this wiki. Rhavkin (talk) 13:34, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Who knows. Rhavkin (talk) 14:09, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

I don't have time for a binge. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:31, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

I think it might be a good idea to binge watch or read, but I also think it'll be very hard to get people to set aside a specific day or week to binge. Not to mention, its A LOT of work in general to binge watch. For example, I just finished watching the Enies Lobby Arc a few months ago, and it was only until after that did I realize the Peeply Lulu page was a stub and, in all honesty, I was too lazy to rewatch just to destub. While I admit there are many pages on the wiki that lack vital information, and I have no problem with destubbing for minor characters, I'm not sure I have the time to destub everything. A lot of my focus right now is gallery portraits. That being said, I also have more interest destubbing character pages, rather than chapter/episode pages, the latter is just too tedious.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 02:17, January 2, 2019 (UTC)

Displaytitle Template
Could you please put the template under the infobox code rather than over it? Thanks Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:12, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

Don't remove the Whole Cake Island Characters Categories for the Toto Land Ministers
Please don't remove the Whole Cake Island Character Categories for the Totto Land Ministers, the category is for characters that were introduced at Whole Cake Island or those who were born there. Those Ministers were all introduced at Whole Cake Island, which is why they have that category.--Opera298 (talk) 01:33, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

You should not combine group and location categories, because there is no guarantee in the future that all people who are introduced in a place will be affiliated with one group. If someone appears at Spiders Cafe in the future who is not affiliated with Baroque Works, then you would have to do a lot of work adding the Baroque Works category back to pages you removed it from earlier. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:41, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

That still doesn't change anything. It's not confirmed that the old Spiders Cafe won't ever be seen again, and this is a preventative measure against other attempts to combine group and location categories that might not end so well. Group affiliation and debut location are completely different things and should not be combined. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:51, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

For a hypothetical example, let's say that everyone who debuted in a certain location was a Paramecia Devil Fruit user. Does that mean that the location category could replace the Devil Fruit user category? No, because them debuting in a certain location has nothing to do with their abilities. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 22:00, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

Time isn't a very good argument. Oda revisits old subjects all the time. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 22:02, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

Okay, you REALLY need to stop.

I have told you multiple times to not combine group and location categories. If you want to make a large-scale change and someone disputes it, you need to discuss it before continuing with that change. Edit warring will get you blocked.

Second, when doing category work like this, you REALLY need to make sure that if you are making a category page a subcat of something else, EVERYTHING in that subcat has to belong to that overall category. You can't put Category:Donquixote Pirates under the North Blue Characters category and the Dressrosa Characters Category because A) Not all the members are from the North Blue and B) Not all of them debuted in Dressrosa.

Third, going off my second point, did you read my reasoning for removing Category:Families from the category pages? As I said previously, if you make a category page a subcat of the Families Category then that means EVERYTHING in that subcat belongs to the Families Category. So you making Category:Vinsmoke Family a subcat of Families means that Vinsmoke Judge among others is categorized under Families. And he's not a family, he's a person.

Finally, why are you adding to some of the category pages? That template is not meant for category pages. If you mess up when phrasing a category, then you need to mark it for deletion, remove all pages from the category, and create a new category and try again.

I appreciate that you are trying to help the wiki by improving its categorization, but you need to stop edit warring when your changes are being disputed. If you continue to do this, you will be blocked. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:45, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

Tabs
[//onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/FUNimation_Entertainment/Episode_List_and_DVD_Releases?action=history https://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/FUNimation_Entertainment/Episode_List_and_DVD_Releases?action=history] Just because you don't get your way on one article does not mean you can have your way on others with the same changes people were against. SeaTerror (talk) 17:31, November 20, 2018 (UTC)

Fish-Man
[//onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Megalo?diff=prev&oldid=1542750 https://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Megalo?diff=prev&oldid=1542750] Don't capitalize it when it refers to the race itself. It's fish-man then. Races are not capitalized. SeaTerror (talk) 08:02, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

Then look at what you are replacing. English grammar rules state races are not capitalized. I had to change it back before when referring to the race itself. SeaTerror (talk) 09:36, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

No you can do it yourself instead of screwing up on purpose. SeaTerror (talk) 16:13, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

If you ignore ST and keep capitalizing "fish-men", you will be blocked. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:19, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

Is it really that difficult to copy and paste "fish-men" into the right areas?

You need to stop trying to defend yourself by going into some non sequitur about what I'm doing. You can't break the rules even if you're doing it in the process of trying to help the wiki. If I was using a bot and it was making those mistakes it would have to be stopped, because it was breaking the rules. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 22:06, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

A bot has nothing to do with it. You don't even need one to make such a small change anyways. In fact, a bot would be more inclined to replace "fishman" (lowercase) with "Fish-Man" (uppercase). Now, since you seem to have no inclination to listen and stop breaking the rules, I'm afraid I have no choice but to ask for your ban. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 23:05, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

I apologize, I didn't notice that those last edits were following the rules. I would have appreciated if you had told me instead of trying to argue further. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 23:15, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

Group and Location Categories
This is your last warning. If you continue making locations parent categories for groups without discussing then you will be blocked. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:59, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

Group Categories
They should be a minimum of 4 with ideally being 5. Anything less than that is ridiculous. SeaTerror (talk) 17:59, December 8, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Help
Help you with what? Are you referring to me assisting you in your work or do you want a bot yourself? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:07, December 15, 2018 (UTC)

Well I just got the bot program to work a couple days ago so I couldn't have done anything last year.

You need to create another account and contact Awaikage to put a bot tag on it. You can do manual edits on it to avoid it flooding the wiki activity, or if you want it automated, I use AutoWikiBrowser (make sure to download version 6001, not 51010). As always, if you go this route, make sure the bot's edits are correct BEFORE performing large-scale edits with it. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:05, December 15, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Levely Kingdoms
I don't really see any reason to distinguish the two. It's not like the World Government Kingdoms category is so bloated that we need subcats for it. Deleting is just as important to the curation of a wiki as adding, especially when it comes to ensuring there's no unnecessary clutter. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:54, December 26, 2018 (UTC)

Displaytitle
Do you know what the purpose of DISPLAYTITLE is? If not: It's used in cases where wikipedia's software can't properly display an article's title because of inner restrictions. For example, I used it here to create an otherwise impossible underlined title. It should not be used to simply display a different title for an article. You can simply move the article if you want it to have a different title, after all. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:57, December 28, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Spinoffs
I'm not sure I know anyone who would be interested in translating it. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:09, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

I saw that you've been asking Kaido about the spinoffs. I do not have a translator, but I've already sent him the links. I'll be posting them on r/manga on Reddit to see if anyone will pick them up. Translating two new series is a lot of work, but hopefully, someone will bite. I'll keep you posted. 02:30, January 2, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Misandry
No. Personality traits don't get their own page, and aren't really major enough to warrant a trivia either. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:17, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

Confirm
All you do is add work for other users. Did you even try to look for a source yourself? Rhavkin (talk) 07:33, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

True, but adding that template won't change those people. Rhavkin (talk) 08:23, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

What's your point? That statements without references shroud by referenced? Agreed. Do you really think placing a template that says a statement has no reference helps more then just adding the reference yourself? Or deleting the statement and having the person who want to add it back find the reference? Stating that something is missing doesn't means that's that. You need to either find the reference, or delete the speculation. Flagging it does not help anything. Rhavkin (talk) 09:31, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

So whoever adds it back needs to add it with a reference or it will be deleted again, but you need to list the reason for deletion in the edit summary. And as for you binge idea, again, it was not supported by the community, so you are on your own on that one. Go ahead and binge and update what ever you want. Rhavkin (talk) 10:14, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

You addressed the community in your forum, and it did not attract anyone's help. You are on your own for now, so either start it or stop bringing it up. If people want to help you it's their job to approach you and ask where they can help. But if you won't start acting on your own idea, why would anyone else would? Rhavkin (talk) 10:44, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

So start binging. Rhavkin (talk) 11:46, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

You can't relay on other like that. Just write what you think is right and worse case scenario someone would edit that to fit the wiki standards. Rhavkin (talk) 13:06, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

First things first. Appearance sections do not need references. They literally have images. Rhavkin is wrong when he says the confirm tag will be deleted. SeaTerror (talk) 17:43, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

A-she. B-who said anything about deleting the tag? I said that if a statement has no reference, it should be deleted. Rhavkin (talk) 17:50, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

Stop using that template!! It is a a useless flag that says "I don't want to double check so you do it". Rhavkin (talk) 08:49, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, there is a problem with references of old and even current entries, but just saying there isn't a reference doesn't help. You can go here to address your concerns. As for the panel issue, start a forum. Rhavkin (talk) 10:30, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

Do the work

 * Den Den Mushi
 * List in the edit summery


 * Sanji/Misc page:
 * Smoking - when he left the Baratie
 * Zeff - go the his page
 * Kamabakka Kingdom - Straw Hat's Separation Serial


 * Edward Newgate
 * Kaido - go to his page

Do you see a pattern? Re-read the chapters, re-watch the episode, and look at other related character pages yourself. Rhavkin (talk) 11:22, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Do you see the hypocrisy in what you're saying? You have a problem with edits without references, so you do an edit without a reference. And Stop using your shut down ideas as excuses. Rhavkin (talk) 17:43, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

How is that relevant? Rhavkin (talk) 18:59, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

After a little thought, I came to a conclusion that I need to ask you a very simple yes\no question: Do you know how the reference information using Qref? Rhavkin (talk) 06:38, February 28, 2019 (UTC)

Well? Rhavkin (talk) 09:45, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

Your Talk Page Comments
Rgilbert, I appreciate your ideas about policies and potential pages, but please, if you have an idea, make a forum about it instead of only halfway explaining it during an article discussion (like merging short pages on the Decuplets page). To respond to your idea about a minimum byte size, I wholeheartedly disagree. Any kind of minimum standard would seem arbitrary, and as the person who has worked on the most stubs/low-byte-count pages, I think it does not make sense. What would your scenario look like? How would you merge a character into another page? Would you just have multiple sections for individuals on a crew page? And what would the byte size requirement even be? If you're going to keep suggesting ideas, I (and others) need more details.

Also, I would ask, for productivity's sake, that you keep your unrelated conversations with Rhavkin out of article talk pages and forums. That is why we have User Talk pages. 20:28, January 25, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Spin-Offs
I don't speak Japanese. I use google translate. Rhavkin (talk) 12:08, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Not sure how that's gonna help but okay. Rhavkin (talk) 15:26, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

The first two links are for buying the books. The others are for the raws and as I said previously, I am not a translator. You can probably find a brief summery somewhere, or use this on the page and whoever want's to elaborate would. Rhavkin (talk) 10:30, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Den Den Mushi
I don't have access to the book. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:00, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

Nice doing getting the page protected, now no one can add the references. Rhavkin (talk) 20:53, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

I do know what to add, and I told you where to find the references, but you still refused to do the work yourself. Why should anyone clean up after you? Rhavkin (talk) 22:22, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Databooks
This many. Rhavkin (talk) 06:51, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

What does vivre card has to do with it? Anyway, every vivre card has a list on the back side that list which arc the character has appeared in, and since the cards were approved by Oda, so does the arcs names. Rhavkin (talk) 10:30, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

The vivre card aren't the source, just the confirmation. Whole Cake Island Arc's name, for example, was from a image of Oda's notes, and even that was very debatable with "Sanji Retrieval Arc" from the magazine and "Totto Land Arc" Just look at the user who name the arc pages for source. Rhavkin (talk) 10:50, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

What about the infoboxs? Rhavkin (talk) 11:19, February 24, 2019 (UTC)