Forum:NinjaSheik's talk page

The user page is whatever. Stupid to delete it but not as bad as getting a talk page deleted. Talk pages are supposed to be left alone for archival purposes. There's a reason why article talk pages don't get deleted even if an article is deleted. These pages should never be deleted so both of NinjaSheik's pages should be restored. Especially the talk page because people had commented on it. It doesn't matter if a user requests it because of the unofficial archival rules. SeaTerror 00:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Technically, user talk pages are pretty much the same as user page in one aspect: the respective user has all the rights to delete or add to it as they please, as long as it does not involve anything offensive or spamming. 00:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

They have a right to blank it and remove what they want. Removing the entire talk page removes everything, even the history. The history should never be removed. SeaTerror 00:36, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree with SeaTerror on this (never thought I would say that) they are enabled on every wiki by default and that is for obvious reason that don't really need to be listed here. Furthermore I know thanks to being an admin myself on two different wikias that Talk pages unlike article comments, blogs, achievement badges and all that stuff, Talk Pages cannot be disabled by admins and I my sources are correct not even a wikia staff member can or may turn of the wikia talk pages and that is for one simple reason, which is the same reason they are there in the first place. The Talk Pages form and are the most essential primary part of the wikias communications network, they are there to let people/force people to communicate with one another and without communication a wikia cannot exist. NinjaSheiks and anyone elses his or her talkpage is there for this most essential part COMMUNICATION, you may as one individual not like that but that is just to bad for you they serve a basic primary function on this wikia just like clothes serve a basic primary function in soceity so do talk pages on the wikia. In trying to keep things short. I think we should maka an official rule out of this. The rule should be that: No-one may remove his or her talk page (content) in it's entirety or request complete content removement. All a user should be allowed to do is archive there talk page. PS:History must alwasy be preserved as a wise librarian once said. (OnePieceNation 00:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC))'''

I agree with SeaTerror as well. Talk pages, especially on articles, are a way to document previous decisions that were made by previous editors. They also can be used for documentation for things such as bans and other issues. I vote for leaving the talk pages alone. 00:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that my history didn't have anything bad on it and was hardly used, so there was no point of having it at all. The only time I spoke with anyone on the wiki is when I get into an edit war, and if we're having a disagreement, then we take to the discussion page to sort it with other users, correct? After all, I don't have friends here (except for Yata-senpai, but I can speak to me on the Narutopedia), so there's no point of keeping it in my opinion.-- Ninja Sheik  00:56, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

NinjaSheik you seem to be missing the purpose of the talk pages, whether they are used or unused and whether they have positive things or negative things on them or the fact if you do have or not have friends on here it doesn't matter. They are there to be the wikia's primary communications tool, the fact you don't use them or don't feel like having them doesn't matter because they serve a primary wiki function. (OnePieceNation 01:08, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

No, I understand the point, believe me. But for me, it's different. There's nothing important about and it was hardly use, if it contains something important, I agree it shouldn't be deleted, but if a person wants it delete, then let the admin decide whether or not if it's right.-- Ninja Sheik  01:11, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

You really don't understand it actually. A talk page especially should never be deleted. The point of blanking something is to leave the history. It isn't that hard to understand that deleting something deletes the history. SeaTerror 01:19, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

They just wanted to make a big deal out of this little thing. I agree talk pages should not be deleted, it's the only way to preserve evidence of something. NS, don't worry, this is not a direct accusation to you or to Yata, it's just a great occasion to bring this up and put it down on an official forum.

You're right, Ricizubi. Your last sentence makes me want to bring this up: A while back, someone told me this wiki don't even have a proper written Manuel of Style. If you guys have decided long ago, maybe this forum wouldn't have to be created. But since you guys never did, which is kinda shocking, me wanting to delete my user and talk pages gave you guys a reason to bring this up and on a forum.

I know I said this before, but I'll say again for good measure: You guys need to fix yourself up and get your act together, because a wiki can't survive if doesn't know what to do, like how a crew can't survive without its captain.-- Ninja Sheik  01:36, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

It seems to be under construction User:Pacifista15/Random_Stuff3

"You guys need to fix yourself up and get your act together" Nice teen arrogance you got going. :) SeaTerror 01:42, April 21, 2012 (UTC) {C Due to recent events such as this one, I have decided to draft a basic Manual of Style. I will later make and post a forum for it, so if you want to contribute to it then hang on a little bit until I am done with a rough draft.

About time. Can't believe this was never brought up before, no wonder this place is such a mess. I hope remember the titles of series and games should be in italics like this: One Piece and One Piece: Unlimited Adventure.-- Ninja Sheik  01:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

"no wonder this place is such a mess." How cute. SeaTerror 01:51, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's not arrogance, it's the truth. Run-on sentences, fragment sentences, grammar and spelling mistakes, no CLEAR Manuel of Style. How is this arrogance when the evidence is on your own wiki?-- Ninja Sheik  01:54, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'll say again what I think here: What usually is done: for users who occasionally edit on a wiki or just don't want anything to do with it, usually I see that they: This is what I think the option are. A user may have the right to ask for the deletion of his profile, but we are not really obligated to do so, especially if someone just want to remove the content and have no special reason to want his page gone. You won't magically disappear from the wiki logs, that's why I found it strange, furthermore an account is global to Wikia, so a wiki is just a place you can edit not a different site.
 * For user pages: I just found bothersome to other users to have red links to user page (which will open the editor) which don't fulfill their role as links (User:NinjaSheik, for example). You may say who cares, but that is something concerning the wiki not the user. Why is unreasonable to just blank out the content? (blank out = removing all content; deleting page = removing the page from the system)
 * For user talk pages: completely removing the talk page is unreasonable, in my opinion, because you prevent a way to contact you, so this is especially bothersome if you are still editing on the wiki. If you are making mistakes, how can someone contact you?
 * Blank out their personal pages.
 * Leave a few words telling how and where contact them (like this)
 * Make a soft redirect  (user page) and   (talk page)
 * Leave things as they are.

As I said a user may have the right to do what he wants on his personal space, but he doesn't own it. I think the deletion is an action that regard the wiki itself.

Let's be clear, maybe it's not the end of the world if we accept to delete the user pages, but it's the same for the opposite: it seems we are violating the user right by asking to not deleting those pages. Because the question is reduced to why we should delete the user page while we can simply blank it out and achieve the same effect? I'm most concerned to the talk page then the user page, though.

To be clear, there is no generally rule on this matter, it depends on the local wiki policy.


 * Also, let's talk about user pages and user talk pages first, not article talk page.
 * @NinjaSheik: this is a discussion that must be solved anyway, but for your personal matter about why you decided to do that, we can talk it separately. Also, I didn't really see much wiki having a policy on this matter, do you? I think usually they decide case by case or leave it to the admins.
 * @Pacifista: it's good to work on the manual of style, but there are also tons of forum-decision to be translated on the policies. If Angel was here she will remind us about the image guidelines.
 * @SeaTerror: let's not flame up this forum.


 * Uhm, most wiki/wikia's don't have a manuel of style the reason for this is that a manuel style is only needed for wikia where there are a lot of people and a lot of conflicts, however though there are a lot of people here the amount of conflicts that occur are pretty minor and most conflicts are talked out on talk pages and bigger things are discussed on the forums. It might be useful to have a manuel of style however before creating one we should first discuss the things that it will contain. Also how things are done one wiki don't influence how things should be done on another. PS: PX-15 you should open a forum about your manuel of style once it is finished before doing anything else. PPS:thanks to continues edit conflicts this comment was delayed. (OnePieceNation 01:57, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

The way you say it is arrogant. You're also forgetting about all your bad edits such as removing valid information from articles. SeaTerror 02:09, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uhm seaterror the forum got kind of confusing to who are you talking down to. Me, Levi or Sheik. (OnePieceNation 02:14, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

Again: How was it arrogant? I'm simply stating the truth, the wiki is messy. Anyone can tell by looking at it. And I wasn't removing valid information, I was removing thing from characters' pages that had ABSOLUTELY nothing do with them. A article should be written and concise, retaining to only its subject.

@OnePieceNation: You are about what you said about most wikis don't have a Manuel of Style, but hadn't ever cross anyone's mind that as One Piece grew, so will it fans and people who want to help improve it, meaning that more users will come here. Every wiki should have a Manuel of Style no matter what to avoid conflicts in the future.-- Ninja Sheik  02:20, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Just to throw something in here, this wiki has actually functioned pretty efficiently without a Manual of Style since I joined. Users learned what was acceptable and what was not through experience and by editing and making mistakes. We have made a lot of "unwritten" laws, and we have never really had a problem with this until now. 02:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps the reason for that is because no one really has real experienced before, was just too lazy or too afraid.-- Ninja Sheik  02:34, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Actually I think that only you in your own fantasy world can see that. You actually were removing valid information. Those scenes still included the characters in question. The details are needed and they are heavily expanded on in the main articles anyway. There you go again with your arrogance. You're the ONLY person who had a problem with this. Wikia's do not need a Manual Of Style if they don't want one. Everything was done in the forums. SeaTerror 02:44, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

uhm, just one question to you before I go to bed ninjasheik have you ever started your own wikia (or adopted a completely abandoned wikia) my guess is the answer is no. You want to know how I know this, well I know this because I have started my own wikia and when you start a wikia, you are only thinking about what does this wikia need to tell about his subject matter and how can it tell it in the best way a manual of style is the uttter last thing that is on your mind. (OnePieceNation 02:56, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

@SeaTerror: But even I rewrote it, you still reverted it. Take example, Kaku's page. Remember that? I'm the one being arrogant here, it is you. Earlier today, when I gave valid reasons on Nami's misc. page, you blatantly ingore me reasoning and just revert without an counterargument. Yata-senpai even told I was right, and I know I was right because gave examples and logic reasons. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has a problem how things are done here. I think everyone's too afraid to speak their opinion because you guys won't listen to anyone but yourselves! Take today for example back on Nami's misc. page! All of you ganged up on me when I was right, and without giving your own reasoning! What you guys do look down on people and scare them into submission. You need to keep an open mind about EVERYTHING, because more users come on the wiki and may have better ideas than your own, but you give them a chance, will you, because you won't take in consideration that anyone else because your pig-headedness.

@OnePieceNation: To answer your question, yes I have taken an a completely abandoned wikia. Two, in fact.-- Ninja Sheik  03:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sheik, would you like to join the chat for a bit. I would like to talk with you in private about something. I hope it won't bother you to join, so please do.

All I see is a empty page. I don't know what's going on. Do you guys have an IRC Channel? I never heard that a wiki has its own special chat on the actual wiki.-- Ninja Sheik  03:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Chat

http://onepiece.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Chat&useskin=wikia SeaTerror 03:50, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I couldn't access with the first because I use a different wiki skin.-- Ninja Sheik  04:05, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's true that we lack some guidelines (well not so true), as Pacifista said it's not anarchy here, the existing pages are the models for the other and every edit is checked by the community. Since we lack guidelines, I'll propose one: do not go off topic in a discussion, this forum is about whenever should user pages be deleted or not, half of the discussion is about how this wiki is lacking guidelines. Everybody don't start an argument with NS, just talk about the topic.

Alright, back to the topic. About deleting user pages and users' talk pages, I'm quite neutral on this. I think the users should be allowed to have a say in deleting their own user pages, because that is optional. I saw people blanking their pages, thus I think people should have the right to decide if they want their page to be deleted.

As for the talk pages, that is quite different. I feel that talk pages should not be deleted, at least, completely fully like NinjaSheik's talk page was. Talk pages is a way to contact the user about something. Without talk pages, it only make it harder to contat them, especially if the topic is important, such as edits. So I feel that the talk pages should not be deleted, particularly if the user is active.

@Ninja, as Levi suggested, Ninja, you could put a redirect to your talk page in Narutopedia or whatever. I think that as long as you edit here, we need a way to contact you about the edits. It's already frustrating for BOTH sides, and having no easy way to contact you only make it harder for us. But whatever, it's your decision. 20:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I have an awesome idea. Let's also delete NinjaSheik's contribution page and create 3 red links. Who's with me? SeaTerror 20:35, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

@Sea Terror: How about you stop being such a jerk and stop attacking me for once? First of all, most of you will probably never contact me. I don't want you guys to contact me about anything, because, really, all you guys do is gang up on me and tell me how wrong I am when I know I'm right. I think it should be in the user's choice whether or not they want to delete their user/talk page or not. I never plan, not once since I started editing because a couple of guys asked me to when I was editing at anon, to contact. All you ever do is fight with me over every SINGLE edit I make, and can be solve by going to the discussion page. My page had no importance relating to wiki business whatsoever.

And by the way, contribution page? Really? What for? Because you don't like the edits I make because you know I'm right and you're wrong?-- Ninja Sheik  20:57, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Alright Ninja, I apologize if you felt that I was ganging up on you. That was not my intention. I don't know about the other users, but it is most centainly not my intention to gang up on you and tell you that you are wrong about whatever. I only undid some of your edits because I felt that the previous edits was right.

As for contacting you, I understand that most of the users will probably not contact you. But at least, having a talk page will make things easier if one of us DO want to contact you, about edits or whatever. But if you really don't want to, then fine. It's your decision as I said before. 21:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Even if it wasn't you intention to gang up on me, you still did it because I don't think any of can keep an open mind about anything. You need to think logically, take in what I'm trying to say without jumping the gun. Look at the edit, digest it, and then decide whether or not if it was right or not, but do with fair and justified reasoning, which apparently you guys don't have. Because with the whole Nami's Misc. page issue happened, you just clearly demonstrated to me that you guys obviously have no sense of justice. You just reverted my edits without giving a explanation for it, even though I was right. You jump the gun without taking in what I was trying to say.-- Ninja Sheik  21:48, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sheik i will only say this if everybody is against you its because you are probably the one who is in the wrong and dont accept it. User:X-RAPTOR 21:58, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Also its called peoples opinions not ganging up on you so grow up or leave this wiki since you asked to have your user page deleted. User:X-RAPTOR 21:59, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

"how wrong I am when I know I'm right." http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1956/98634165.jpg Also apparently you don't get sarcasm. No user or talk pages should be deleted. Especially not talk pages. I would have linked you to this forum if I could have. SeaTerror 22:00, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

@X-RAPTOR: How will you know that, though? Have you seen the edits on the pages all fought over? The messages? If you did, then explain to me how I'm wrong. And for the record, I didn't ask for my userpage to deleted because I wanna leave, I did it because I was never going to use it, anyway. Big whoop. Users do that all the time. A userpage is created so users can put information themselves on it. I was never going to do that, so there was no point of keeping it around. Simple as that. Ninja Sheik  22:00, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I dont need to,look arround you everyone is against you so clearly you are the one who did something wrong if not enlighten me how so many users can be against you,well either you can suck it up and have your user page and talk page restored and edit like allways and when you have a problem in a page take it to the talk and discuss it there thats what all users here do,and it might work out and all of this could also have been avoided if you had done that.(ST there was no need for that,calm down) User:X-RAPTOR 22:08, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, you do. You can't tell just by what everyone else is saying when you don't the other person's reasons. That would be just unfair. They're against me because they're stubborn and clearly not very open-minded and not that experienced. In fact, one user even told that all of you might hate because I'm a veteran editor. His/Her words, not mine. I don't see the point of restoring my user or talk page, because I'm not gonna need it anymore, because the only thing I'll be going is minor stuff. Grammar, things that everyone won't lash out at me for.-- Ninja Sheik  22:12, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ok you are bieng stupid and anoying right now you clearly cant handle critcism and keep undoing peoples comments on the forum which you cant,so if you do it one more time i will request for you to be banned. User:X-RAPTOR 22:14, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

How am I being stupid? I can handle criticism, I'm an author. I get that all the time, but I can't stand having someone talk down me when I didn't do anything wrong. What the hell are you talking about? I'm not undoing anyone's comments! I know that I can't do that, I've editing for at least 4 years! Did you even look at the history, if anyone's removing anyone's commenting, it's SeaTerror.

I even have proof, if you like to see it. This is a copy and paste message from a wiki message that tells me when someone post here:

See the latest changes made to Forum:Deleting User and Talk Pages on One Piece Encyclopedia by SeaTerror

Show Details {C Hi NinjaSheik,

One of the pages you're following, Forum:Deleting User and Talk Pages on One Piece Encyclopedia, has been edited by SeaTerror.

Interested in seeing what's changed? See Forum:Deleting User and Talk Pages for the current version.

To see all changes to this page since your last visit, click here

The summary of the edit is: "Undo revision 653055 by NinjaSheik (talk)"

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{C If that isn't enough, I'd be more than happy to upload an actual image of it to the wiki and post here.-- Ninja Sheik  22:17, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sheik first of all you should thank Jade for apologizing.Second you really should not delete what others have posted.Thats all AuroraOfDeath 22:21, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'M NOT DELETING ANYTHING! LOOK ABOVE! IF THAT ISN'T ENOUGH, I'LL TAKE A PICTURE OF THE E-MAIL AND POST IT TO SHOW I'M INNOCENT!-- Ninja Sheik  22:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Editing a Wikia doesn't make you an author. Also check the edit history. SeaTerror 22:24, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, I know that. I AM an author. I write fanfics on FF. Net. It's a great way to express my imagination and keep my English skills sharpened.

And I did check the history. I still see the same thing I saw in my e-mail:

(cur | prev) 22:02, April 21, 2012 SeaTerror (Talk | contribs) (21,484 bytes) (Undo revision 653055 by NinjaSheik (talk)) (undo)

(cur | prev) 22:00, April 21, 2012 NinjaSheik (Talk | contribs) (21,300 bytes) (undo)

This shows that you reverted my post after I saved it.-- Ninja Sheik  22:26, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think (not so much convinced) that it was due the edit conflict.

ok lets all forget this and sheik this is not the naruto wikia so we have different rules so you have to obey them so your userpage should be restored and we should all move on and forget this and work for the benefit of this wiki. User:X-RAPTOR 22:28, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * There are no rules neither here and in narutopedia that said an user page cannot be deleted, that's why we are having this forum.

I'm sorry that you had an impact so negative with other users, but you keep saying that we are ganging up on you, but this wiki should have at least 20 regular users, I doubt you have a fight with each of them... but even so everybody had been in a situation like yours at least once, you try to talk it out or just go on and ignore them, that's up to you. This forum should not be about your case, but a general topic. I think that this is a wiki and we are editors, we are not here to socialize but to edit, as such pretending to keep editing and not having a way to contact you is not a collaborative behavior. For example, if you add a template incorrectly in good faith and I want to explain to you why you added incorrectly, how can I do that? So back to the topic, I think the deletion of the user talk page is an inconvenience for the community.

I already said what are the alternative way to do that, (blank out = removing all content; deleting page = removing the page from the system) so now who think that a user page can be deleted must provide a valid reason why the other way are not a good alternative to the deletion.

@SeaTerror: obviously you cannot delete the contribution page because it's not a wiki page, hence it cannot be deleted. I know you were joking but some people thought it can actual be done. {C @X-RAPTOR: because everyone is against you does not prove that you are wrong, I agree with Ninja on this {C @AuroraOfDeath: she is talking about this, but probably is due of the edit conflict. {C @NinjaSheik: I think you just have a problem with SeaTerror, if so just ignore him. Have you ever read "do not feed the troll?" Don't insist on quarrel if you don't see any feedback. I'm sure I have annoyed you pretty enough too, but you must admitted that I tried to reason with you all the times, because I just have politley asked you "hey I found this bothersome for the users here, can you please change it?" and you replied with "To me it doesn't make difference, but I don't want to do that".

P.S.: if Wiki will make mandatory the Message Wall then this discussion is pointless... guess why? Because the wall cannot be deleted, this even prove that the deletion of the talk page was never contemplated to begin with.


 * Again you guys are going off topic.

Levi can we agree that we should move on and put this behind our backs and hope for a better understanding and relationsip with the user,has for SeaTerror he gets bit carried away so dont mind him k. User:X-RAPTOR 22:37, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for helping, but, Leviathan 89, I told you before. It's hard to ignore users that are bothering you because they fight with you over wiki matter. It was normal bullying like in school, fine, I can handle. I've been it 24/7 hours every day in school. But this something entirely, I don't take back against my bully because there's nothing to fight about it. When users edit, there will be conflict, but being a veteran editor, editing on wikis have become important to me, so I can't just let something go when it impacts how the wiki looks.-- Ninja Sheik  22:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'm 100% on Sheiks side, you people are deliberately ostracizing her, if she doesn't want anymore harassment, it's her bussiness.Sheik i would personally like to apologize for how you are treated, i know how it feels to try your best to contribute and noone cares.

Oh, thank you very much! :) But you don't have to apologize because you didn't do anything wrong.-- Ninja Sheik  22:51, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sig fail XD, and it is my fault i should be keeping these morons in check. Lets try this again

Keep them in line? How is it your responsibility? You're an admin?-- Ninja Sheik  22:57, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think you read the forum at all MOM. This forum isn't about harassment at all. It is about deleting user and talk pages. SeaTerror 22:58, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

MoM, The point is that there is no "Sheik's side", since this forum was meant to discuss about if it's ok to delete user pages, not NS case. Beside if you are harassed on your talk page you just remove the harassemnts not the talk page, since if you are an active editor there must be a way to contact you. If that's really the problem then I propose as solution to lock her talk page at admin level, this way only admins will be able to contact her if necessary and nobody will bother her. See? There is always a solution, deleting the user talk page is just pointless. I feel like I'm the only one who is actually talk about the forum's topic... should we rename the forum then?

Well ST, i don't think you've read Sheiks side at all, and just assumed she was wrong and her things should be restored, Levi, by im on her side i meant i agree with her argument, that if you have a decent reason it should be allowed.

If you ever looked at her edits you would notice that she removed valid information from various pages. So no you barely read the forum and jumped to more conclusions than the entire Bush Administration before they invaded Iraq looking for WMDs. SeaTerror 23:12, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

What do her edits have to do with anything? Like i said you are deliberately trying to ostracize Sheik, yes she has made some mistakes, yes she is trying her best, yes she has every right to delete her talk and user pages,if she feels that she is being harassed, she's trying to avoid trouble, and this forum didn't help her cause at all.

Valid information about something or someone else that isn't the subject of said article? That isn't removing, that's cleaning up the article that as nothing to do with said subject. Even when I rewrote, like in Kaku's page, you reverted it with a second thought.-- Ninja Sheik  23:21, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

About if it was right or wrong undoing her edits, open another forum. MoM, if you agree with her, explain why the alternative way I proposed are not acceptable than the deletion of the user pages. {C @Sea: I don't know what she were her edits, but I do know that some of them can have a valid reason, in fact other user agreed with her. {C @NinjaSheik: I guess next time try to add a summary to your edtis, maybe it will help understanding your reasons.

I usually do, but they won't listen. Again, should take the edit wat at Nami's Misc. page as an exmaple? Look at the History, Leviathan 89, you'll see what I mean. When I approached Yata-senpai about it, he agreed with me.-- Ninja Sheik  23:24, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

MOM we all make mistakes we all get into arguments right before this topic came up I had two running arguments with seaterror and at that time I really hated him for being such a non responisve stubborn troll but even so, I can still agree with him on the fact that no one should ever be allowed to remove one of the wikia primary functions, like rici said this wasn' about Ninjasheik himself in the beginning however the more she felt we ganged up on her the more it became true thank to her personal behaviour and the behaviour of the ever annoying seaterror. But leaving that asside the fact remains that talk pages and profiles are there to serve the wikia primary need of communication. (OnePieceNation 23:25, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

By the way, why did you edit my user page without my permission?-- Ninja Sheik  23:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

You guys are right, there needs to be a certain level of communication between users, but Ninja does have a point, i think the talk page thing shouldn't be permanent, but shouldn't be removed until Sheik feels comfortable.

Sorry wasn't meant to do that, I just clicked your name to find out your contributions to this wikia and I got an edit box and without thinking I typed in that sentence. And then to make matters worse I found out that this might mean that your original history can never be brought back anymore.(OnePieceNation 23:44, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

The only time you guys will ever talk to me will probably be over a wiki matter, which can be discussed on the discussion page of the article, but even when I do that, you guys don't listen. [http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Nami/Misc. Look here]. You'd rather just pretend that everything you say is right and just ignore me. Yata-senpai agreed that trivia about Nami being in two crews is not necessary, these words being his own when I contacted him for help: "The crew thing, her infobox already lists which crews she belong in, so it's not trivia worthy; that aside, it has been stated that certain other members (and characters) belong in other crews, so the trivia point is actually redundant."

So, can someone unlock the page and remove it since it's irrelevant?-- Ninja Sheik  23:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

"You guys are so freakin' pig-headed!" There you go. That is why nobody responded. It doesn't really matter if he agreed when many others disagreed. SeaTerror 23:52, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ninja I like many others weren't part of that discussion and what can I tell you those things sadly happen, especially when ST is involved however just to let you know I just replied to you about that nami issue on the talk page. (OnePieceNation 23:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC))

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This forum is completely gone off topic, leave the discussion about NinjaSheik talk pages and edits here and just discuss the original topic here.

I might be off topic but, Sheik did anyone vandalized your talkpage before? In this wiki..

@SeaTerror: I said it because it was true! You are pig-headed because you don't even bother to take in what I was trying to say! What I say is true. Have you ever consider why? Think about it thoroughly? Why I keep removing it?

@OnePieceNation: I reply to your comment. Perhaps maybe we can have a decent discussion about why it shouldn't be there.

@LuffyPirateKing: I never vandalized anyone's talk page before.-- Ninja Sheik  00:13, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seriously, don't feed the trolls, you ask for it yourself.

I'm feeding them, I'm just stating the truth.-- Ninja Sheik  00:22, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, Ninja. Do you mind coming in the chat and PM me your side of the story? I'm getting frustrated at not understanding (kind of) how we are attacking you. Plus, I prefer to know both sides' story. 00:17, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why don't you just talk on narutopedia? Maybe she prefer that way.

@Jademing: You really want to hear me out? For real?-- Ninja Sheik  00:25, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

You're insane if you think that was trolling, Levi. I stated exactly why nobody responded on that talk page. Also you ignored LPK, NinjaSheik. SeaTerror 00:20, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean you guys are trolls, I just quoted the common internet rule.

seaterror don't deny you aren't trolling because you are or don't you even realize that you are doing it, because that would indicate a serious mental condition. (OnePieceNation 00:22, April 22, 2012 (UTC))

I don't think you know what trolling is OPN. SeaTerror 00:36, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I know what trolling is and you did some light trolling.(OnePieceNation 00:49, April 22, 2012 (UTC))

We should just make a vote for this and get it out of the way. SeaTerror 03:57, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, but first, I want to hear why Ninja felt like deleting her talk page in the first place. I don't care about the user page (personal business) but the talk page is an essential part of communication and understanding on the wiki. Forgive me if you mentioned this before, it is hard to retain information from a mile-long bitchfest like this one. 04:25, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

So the forum about a wiki issue turned into conflicts-between-members discussion? not surprised. Ok just gonna drop my 3 opinions and walk away cause dragging this conflicts-between-member discussion is not mature choice. We have seen this in past in DrunkSamurai, OPN, Tuck and other "questioned members" cases =_= .. so back to business. 1) This is One Piece Wikia not Narutopedia. Every wiki is different and functions differently so criticizing this wiki with other wiki's ways does not make sense. OP wiki has functioned the way it has for many years and we have been growing larger and larger every year without a delay so "get you acts together" are not valid words. 2) Talk page is something that includes all the discussion you have had with fellow wiki members regarding wiki, opinions or friendly talk and deleting it or keeping it is your decision entirely .. BUT .. even for a proof purpose or for future requirements if a admin needs to see your talk page, you must have it in History to "undo" and have the text available. deleting your talk-page because "I want to" does not sound logical in my opinion but its my opinion, not written in rules or policies. Still I agree with ST to just make poll about this cause currently this maybe one person issue but in future this might become wide-spread problem so this should be handled right now. 3) Ninja, if you feel that everyone is "targeting" you or just going against your actions because you are from naruto wiki then you are mistaken. I personally found your actions and edits little "over the top" or "too picky" and wanted to oppose them many times but did not cause it will just end it nasty argument which does not benefit the wiki nor the articles. I understand that you are experienced admin form naruto wiki and hold knowledge of your doing but we at OP wiki judge it from OP wiki's point of view. No, there are not special guidelines for OP wiki editing or memo but its just the way we been editing ever since we can remember. We welcome changes and respect opinions but when a major group is opposing you change and yet you continue it, then it becomes a personal conflict and that happens at all wikis. I have edited at many wikis and I have been yelled and warned by many members of those wikis cause I was opposing their way of editing. I don't blame them cause I do the same when someone does that on this wiki :P still if you feel that some "individual" members are holding certain grudge against you then the best thing is to "ignore" and ask help from Admin if the issue drags on. Trust me, ignoring is the best trick on this wiki and i have used it on many occasions and for many "annoying" members and the success ratio is 100%. But I can still survive cause I am ignoring only 1% while I am still friendly with the rest of 99%. If inorder to feel welcomed, you have to ignore more then 25% of wiki members then you have to realize that the problem is actully on "yourself". Ok I am not making sense anymore so I am just going to end my part. good luck everyone and hope this issues resolves soon and for greater good. If anyone has some Q or opinion on my message then please contact me on my talk page cause I am not "forum person" >_> my talk-page is long cause I have messages from ever since I joined =_= I prefer to keep them for sake of my 99% friends then delete it for those annoying 1%. Sounds logical, right? 04:36, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

As MDM daid this is not narutopia or any other wiki this it one piece wiki, you day lots of thing like this the games name should be in italics or like the pictures name shuld be and many other stuff abd when you do something wrong and people tell you about your mistakes you start arguing them saying that you are a aurthor and you have have more experience and stuff like that and never admit your own mistakes. When you go ahead and say that this wiki need to to more organised or this wiki is messy and things like that it just makes me want to go against you.
 * you also removed some of the important part in the artucles and when someone tries to correct it you start telling them that they dont know how to edit and never admit your own mistakes.

I went little of the topic so my point is that, when someone wants to tell you about your mistakes then how can he/she contact you , you should atleast have a talk page. 08:14, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Just a quick thing about User "Red" Links. We could instate Ricizubi's User Cards to help people orm a basis of a profile if they cant think of what to put their. 11:40, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

No, Tucky. Ninja don't want anything on her user page, therefore she want it to be deleted. She's not going to be socializing with us. Heck, she's not going to be a full editor as she stated that in this forum several times. And by the way, tell that suggestion to the another forum, seeing that this forum had gotten so off topic. 13:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC) 13:53, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ok delete the shitty talkpage. Nobody vandalized or said anything bad in your talkpage before, why waste everyones time here like that? If it was for a personal thing, you should've go ask an admin on his talkpage(dunno if you already did that) to do it.. And callin names to the people you argue with, makes you look bad in this discussion..

First, I never said that the Narutopedia and the OP Wiki are exactly alike, I know that a lot of wikis have different format, but that doesn't change the fact that it isn't concise as it should be, but I see information about things not containing to its subject, which makes the article lose its focus on what's suppose to tell to the readers. Even my little edits when using italics isn't just coming from works at the Narutopedia, KH, or the Final Fantasy, it's also this. I can't see the reason why you think my edits are "over the top" and "prickly" because an article should stick to its subject, right? Not lose its focus and start talking whoever and whatever else that has nothing to do with said subject? Even when I rewrote it, it still got reverted without an explanation and when I try to put it back, other users also reverted, some them probably didn't bother to look into the situation before changing it. They continue doing this, without even really reading what I have to say, and that's the problem. If you guys welcome new ideas and opinions, then why don't you actually try to adapt to someone new's ideas. Being stuck doing same thing all the time for years can make a person closed-minded, not open to new ways.-- Ninja Sheik  17:27, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ninja is it possible that you can join the chat right now? I would actually like to talk to you.

Sure. People really been asking me that a lot lately, anyhow.-- Ninja Sheik  17:50, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

"Not lose its focus and start talking whoever and whatever else that has nothing to do with said subject?" Not even close. Like for example what you removed from Ace's page. That conversation was part of what they were talking about and was very valid. Removing valid information has always been a huge no no on this Wikia. Also nobody cared about the italics since obviously nobody reverted it. I didn't care for it and found it needless since the only grammar we ever cared about were if sentences made sense or not. SeaTerror 19:09, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't remove that from Ace's page, I revised it! It still mentions Ace's talk with Jinbe about why Jinbe owes Whitebeard! Are you even reading it?-- Ninja Sheik  19:14, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Are you? You're removing all the valid information. Your edit is pure shit. Even the reference that comes right after it explains the part that had to do with Crocodile. The conversation included ALL of those characters. SeaTerror 19:29, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Valid information that doesn't concern Ace? The way it was written strays from its main subject.-- Ninja Sheik  19:34, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Which actually does concern ace. Especially his relationship with Whitebeard. What you removed concerned Ace by explaining what the conversation was about. Crocodile then interrupted and said what he wanted to say. You might as well remove the Crocodile line since it makes absolutely no sense to be there without the actual valid information. SeaTerror 19:37, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

But it doesn't mention anything about Ace, only Whitebeard. They are two different characters, despite their relationship. The sentence still mentions that Crocodile interrupts, but what he said is about Whitebeard, not Ace.-- Ninja Sheik  19:40, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

If the character is there then it does involve them. Especially that Ace one because of the reference. It shows the relationship Ace and Jinbe have with Whitebeard and also shows how they are different from others who hate him. The information is valid. I guess you lied about not going to remove anymore information. SeaTerror 19:49, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I rewrote it, idiot! First off, Ace relationship with Whitebeard is already mentioned in his article and Jinbe owing Whitebeard is still mentioned within the sentence. I never lied, and since all of you seem to think what Croc said about Whitebeard is so freakin' important, which never even mention Ace within the sentence, I added and rewrote the sentence and take back the ref, so we all get what he freakin' wanted. Happy now?-- Ninja Sheik  19:53, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

No. Not all the information was added back. You don't deserve a compromise for still removing valid information. SeaTerror 19:55, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? Everything what how Jinbe owes Whitebeard is still there and what Croc said to him and Ace.-- Ninja Sheik  19:56, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

"Some fishmen were even kidnapped and sold as slaves because of this. But when Whitebeard announced the island as his territory, the attacks stopped from both sides. Thus, Jinbe wishes to stop the war for fear of Whitebeard's safety." It must say what it EXACTLY said before or nothing. No compromise for removing valid information. BTW you did lie. You said you were just going to do grammar edits and undo vandalism. SeaTerror 20:03, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

I said stuff like that, and I spoke with several users on the Chat and they agreed what I wrote was cleaner.

Second, are you an idiot? Everything about that is still there:

"Ace is later seen talking with the Shichibukai Jinbe, who happens to share the same cell with him. Jinbe explains that he owes a great deal to Whitebeard and wishes to stop the war for fear of Whitebeard's safety, because in the past, his home came under continuous attacks by pirates and marines alike until Whitebeard announced the island as his territory.

There, a bold for it so you can find it.-- Ninja Sheik  20:06, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

They only said that because they didn't want to deal with it anymore. Elaboration is best when it is valid information. You're not straying because all the other information is still on the other pages. It isn't explaining Jinbe's relationship with Fisher Tiger or other characters who had nothing to do with Ace at all. The funny thing is you call me an idiot when actually don't even see the issue. The information about kidnappings is still missing. SeaTerror 20:11, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Attacks can mean many things, including kidnap. Look up the word. Here, I use the Dictionary:

at·tack verb /əˈtak/ attacked, past participle; attacked, past tense; attacking, present participle; attacks, 3rd person singular present

1.)Take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force, typically in a battle or war

2.)Act against (someone or something) aggressively in an attempt to injure or kill

3.)Act harmfully on

4.)Criticize or oppose fiercely and publicly

5.)Begin to deal with (a problem or task) in a determined and vigorous way

6.)Make an aggressive or forceful attempt to score a goal or point, or gain or exploit an advantage in a game against an opposing team or player

7.)Move into or be in a position to capture.

See?-- Ninja Sheik  20:15, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

No where does it say kidnap. http://thesaurus.com/browse/attack?s=t Besides that point removing any valid information is wrong. SeaTerror 22:03, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Capture and kidnap is the same thing. Here's the very definition of "capture":

1.) Take into one's possession or control by force

See?-- Ninja Sheik  22:10, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

No they don't. To capture something is to take it over such as a country or city. This is the definition of kidnap:

Pronunciation: /ˈkidˌnap/ verb (kidnaps, kidnapping, kidnapped; also kidnaping, kidnaped) [with object]

take (someone) away illegally by force, typically to obtain a ransom.

noun

the action of kidnapping someone: they were arrested for robbery and kidnap

The issue isn't even the definition. The issue is you removing valid information for no reason. You even lied about it and said you wouldn't do that kind of stuff anymore. SeaTerror 22:20, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

ST is just trying to bug you, dont listen to him. 22:21, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, Tuckyd.-- Ninja Sheik  22:24, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Tuck is trolling. Everything I said is valid. SeaTerror 22:26, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Why are we discussing about Ace's page now lets not forget that this forum was about NinjaSheik's talk page 06:12, April 23, 2012 (UTC)