Talk:Donquixote Pirates

First appearance
Shouldn't be the first appearance be the same as doflamingo? Since he is the captain, the crew first appeared with him.

I don't think so, since he only began to form his crew after the timeskip. If he was talking about being in his own crew, I can understand. But in this case, the Donquixote Pirates didn't exist until Donflamingo decided to start it, which is as far as we know, after the timeskip. 23:42, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

How do you know he didn't have this crew pre-timeskip nada? It's silly to assume he didn't. 23:47, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's silly because he did have the crew before... Vergo was already infiltrated in the marine long before two years ago and since Law "used to be" doflamingo's subordinate there was already the crew. He did not build his underworld connection in just two years.

You make a decent point, Leviathan, but we never see, or learn, that he is affiliated with pirates until after the timeskip. Before then, he could have just been his own man; his own Warlord self. Maybe he didn't build the underword connection in just two years. But until proper backstory is revealed, then the safest thing to assume is that their first appearance is after the timeskip. Before then, we never learned any connections. 23:58, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

He was affiliated with Bellamy in chapter 303. It's safe to assume he had the rest of his crew as well pre-skip. 00:01, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Straw Hat Pirates, first appearance, Chapter 1. Does this influence anything at all? 00:10, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

@PX: Yes. At the end of the chapter, Luffy began to set sail and start his crew. In Chapter 1, the Straw Hat Pirates had a maximum of one crew member. You're not in a crew at birth. You start your crew when you decide to. Before the timeskip, we don't know if Donflamingo started his crew yet, so it's actually speculation. 00:13, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Nada he's a warlord. All warlords are pirates. They all have some sort of crew. It's safe to say he had his crew post timeskip, seeing as how Monet was sent to PH by him during the timeskip, and Law was in his crew before Sabaody. 00:15, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why are you so cautious here... I believe it's actually speculative saying that the crew was formed during the two years... before the time skip there were alredy involved with doflamingo Vergo, Bellamy, Law, Disco and we pretty much know that dressrosa was already his base (or at least he had another "island where the affairs were going well" [first shichibukai meeting]). The "wait until it's confirmed" principle is applied only if there is ambiguity or uncertainty. Do we have a clue that indicates the possibility of doflamingo's crew was formed during the timeskip? No, we don't, so that's a speculation and there is no reason to say otherwise. If yuo do have such a clue, then it's another story.

@Pacifista: actually I'm against saying the straw hats appeared in chapter 1, I believe the crew was formed with the going merry and the jolly roger, I said that in that talk page too. Anyhow, Rufy and Doflamingo are two separate cases.. doflamingo wasn't a rookie the first time he appeared (it would have been the same case if doflaming appeared first in chapter 0 then the manga).

We never had a clue that he formed his crew before Chapter 678. During that scene where Donflamingo and Kuma are in the Marine base in the Jaya Arc, could be at a time where Donflamingo wasn't forming his own crew. And maybe it could, but we don't know that. It's not silly to think he was on his own, nor is it silly to think he had his crew for a really long time. The point is, we don't know if Donflamingo started the Donflamingo Pirates in his first appearance. That's what I'm saying. 00:22, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

The Straw Hat Pirates thing was directed at the idea that a crew can have only one member, but that doesn't seem to be the issue anymore. Here though, I agree with Leviathan that there is more evidence to suggest that Donquixote's crew was in action for some time. The association with the Bellamy Pirates and Vergo's infiltration of the Marines lend far more credibility to this argument than assuming that he might have just recently started this crew. 00:32, December 13, 2012 (UTC)