Talk:Jaygarcia Saturn

Name Spelling
Okay, I just got done changing the names of Saturn's page and images, but I'm having regrets about it now and I'm not going to be the one to change them back if need be. So, I just need to ask: Should it be spelled "Jay Garcia" or "Jaygarcia"? Mugiwara1994 (talk) 00:20, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Until romanized otherwise, Jaygarcia makes the most sense. There is no separator in the Japanese, Viz spells it that way, there is precedent with "Donquixote" being one word also.

In the future, please be absolutely sure before changing a page name. Doesn't hurt to ask here first. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. My bad. And will do. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 00:51, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Appearance
Many are thinking about Karl Marx when they see Saturn. Could the problem be that Marx was a Jew while Saturn is one of the bad guys?

Before it's deleted again without a reason, i'm asking here. Newgate438738743 (talk) 16:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for the late reply, but my thinking is that we need a bit more than him just having a big white beard to be connected to Marx. Other historical figures have similar beards. Marx doesn't have dreadlocks, or the hat. The historical figure he is compared to in the trivia section has several appearance similarities. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:23, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

About the Name
I don't know about the japanese name, I'm from a roman country and Jaygarcia means nothing, Garcia however is a very common name, Jay not so much in my country but it is a name.

Transformation
During the meeting between the Gorosei, Cobra and Imu, Cobra was attacked with a pointed arrow looking thing. Saturn was standing to Cobra's left and that arrow/tail thing came from Cobra's left, so it must be his transformation. Should we add it to the article? FirePit (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Empathy toward Bonney
I would hesitate to add that Saturn displayed empathy toward Bonney just yet. Unless someone who's read the Japanese version can clarify otherwise, it looks to me that Saturn is ordering Dobermann to leave Bonney on the island that they're about to bombard and destroy, not spare her. I don't read it as sympathy, I read it as "she's outlived her usefulness and is no threat; treat her like the rest of the trash and leave her here to die with it." After all, "leave her here" isn't the language one uses for sparing someone when the island on which one is leaving them is the same island one is about to ravage.

Perhaps the semantics of Saturn's line are clearer in the Japanese, though. I'd defer to someone who could tell me what sense that conveyed. LordFelix (talk) 22:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Haki
Way too early to say he has Haki let alone adv. Haoshoku. If we're gonna base it on one little bolt of black lightning appearing on his back we might as well say Koby has adv. Haoshoku too. The Straw Hats noticing his presence is worth noting but not conclusive enough to be Haki imo. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:05, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Evidence is inconclusive. No one fainted because of Saturn to begin with and people have only talked about his presence. The black lightning is around through the whole magic circle sequence too, along with black fire and explosions, so it could be just a dramatic effect.KingCannon (talk) 02:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I feel Koby's isnt the same case though, as his attack had no noticeable sfx associated with usual Haoshoku and the black lightning on his hand was extremally small, while it could be argued the lightning on the circle itself was dramatic effect there was still a noticeable large black lightning streak next to his awakened form with the same sfx, and while no one fainted multiple other Haki users reacted to it, there could also be a case to make for Garp, as when he used "Galaxy impact", which is largely agreed to be advanced Haoshoku there were no noticeable characters or weaker pirates fainting from it so it could be the same case for Saturn. R0cks D.G0at (talk) 02:28, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree that there's nothing really indicating he used Haoshoku. There's just as much a chance that the lightning is coming from the Magic Circle, or some side effect of his Devil Fruit. Walrsu (talk) 03:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

After 1095 I think there's still room to discuss whether Saturn has Haki/Haoshoku Haki in particular, as the black lightning streaks are still within the chapter well after Saturns devil fruit form is already manifested, and many marines comment on it. Kingu0fW1 (talk) 16:44, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

This now the third time in the manga Saturn has been shown emanating streaks of lightning from his body and in this case he's not even in his devil fruit form. I feel this is one too many times to assume this a one off or aspect of his Zoan transformation, and is like with many other characters before hand a showing of his Haki. And like the case for Garp's Haoshoku not every Haoshoku usage involves characters being knocked out as none of the pirates on pirate island where passing out when Garp used Galaxy impact. R0cks D.G0at (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Again, emanating black lightning means nothing here because I also see black fire as well. It's the same effects that were there when he used his magic circle. KingCannon (talk) 18:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)