Talk:Mero Mero no Mi

Page Okay?
Is it really OK to have this page been made!? It hasn't been officially said in the manga that Boa Hancock is using a Devil's Fruit ability, although it is pretty much obvious!! I thought that this site differs from Wikipedia in the essence that its using valid content from verified sources (like waiting for the scanlations instead of posting informations from the spoilers)!! Can someone comment on this!? MasterDeva 21:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Its official. One-Winged Hawk 22:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the mistake, I read that as Hebi Hebi no Mi twice for the two sisters and didn't notice it even though I read it three times, talk about being tired!! Thanks for the correction Emfrbl and sorry for bothering you with something so stupid!!! MasterDeva 22:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * We all make mistakes. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 23:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

get ready
guys get ready to get a colored picture of this devil fruit next week. like we don't want to have critics about being late on updating files like this one right.

Rainelz 5:09pm july 12,2009


 * How did you come by this info? One-Winged Hawk 09:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

okay as we now Episode 409 is released this week so probably episode 410 will be shown next week showing hancock's power.Rainelz 5:39pm july 12,2009

is mero mero no mi just a beam
So it seems that my interpretation of the mero mero no mi is not shared by everyone since it has been deleted. Honnestly I found that a beam that transform people in stone is really reductive. I agree that Alvida had a similar effect on men. But here also women are affected. There is plenty of hints that it also helps increase her power on people by seduction : The marine in chapter 516 that says he felt he was forced to obey, Nyon which first succomb to it but recover quickly, then the 2 kuja when she throw her by the window

What would it be called mero mero if it was just a beam, isn't that suppose to mean falling in love or similar ?
 * If you look closely at the background of when Alvida was reintroduced in LogueTown, you'll notice that women were effected by her new beauty as well. And the Marines there couldn't bring themselves to arrest her. The Mero Mero no Mi uses the victims' emotions against them, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it caused the emotion. If it did, how would you explain Luffy, who's extremely vulnerable to such mind-control (Jango & Miss Goldenweek), being immune to it? It's a "possibility", but also unlikely.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 21:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

For

 * Lots of people, including women and animals, fall in love with Hancock in an unnatural fashion.
 * She stated that she ate a Devil Fruit.
 * The Devil Fruit's name is Mero Mero.
 * Mero Mero is the onomatopoeia for falling in love.
 * Devil Fruits are named for the main power they give.
 * The petrification techniques of Hancock revolve around people being aroused by her.
 * Her techniques are love themed.
 * Marigold said beauty but line about people regardless of age and gender.
 * Hancock had seastone cuffs and there were men in Impel Down who went gaga for her. Only ones who were going gaga however were men, lonely imprisoned men. The riot might be just her natural beauty.
 * Hancock charmed Domino before putting the seastone cuffs. After Domino displayed no signs of affection. No known women in the prison showed affection for Hancock.

Against

 * It is not stated.
 * Marigold said beauty not powers.
 * Hancock had seastone cuffs and there were men in Impel Down who went gaga for her.

Discussion
Hancock's irresistibility comes from this fruit, right? Cause last time I check normal women like Domino that don't come from an all female island don't become instant lesbians.Mugiwara Franky 23:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't recall any Paramecia that BOTH alters the body (like Alvida's) AND Logia-like (like Robin's and Kalifa's). If her irresistibility really did come from the fruit, it would be a bodily altercation; while her attacks like Mero Mero Merrow would be Loagia-like. Also, please read my reply to the above section ^, "is mero mero no mi just a beam".
 * Kaizoku-Hime 00:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The thing with Alvida is a different case. With this fruit, it seems that it completely causes people to instantly fall in love with her. The fruit is called Mero Mero and she has several love themed attacks. If it was just petrification, why the love. For Luffy, it's been explained in an SBS that he's an idiot who only gets nosebleed if he has someone else to show him, a train of thought that seems similar to stabbing one's hand.


 * For fruits that both permanently alter the body and have some activation abilities, there's Mr. 1 and Mr. 5. Mr. 1 is permanently steel as he can't be easily be sliced up by normal methods. His techniques however require activation with him transforming his body parts into more blade-like weapons. Mr. 5 is permanently immune to explosions. His techniques however require him to activate otherwise he would have constantly exploded in every instance he was knocked by Luffy and slashed by Zoro.Mugiwara Franky 00:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Point taken. But it was never directly stated if her irresistibility comes from her natural beauty (and an abnormally high level of pheromones) or if it comes from the Mero Mero no Mi. So wouldn't saying outright that it comes from the fruit count as "speculation"? We should probably leave it out until it's officially stated (either in the manga or by Oda).
 * Kaizoku-Hime 00:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Every situation where there have been hundreds of oogling people who fawn over Hancock heavily suggests that its the Devil Fruit powers. In her first appearance, the Marines note that they don't know what came over them. When Nyon talked to her about the Shichibukai met, Nyon momentarily fell in love with Hancock before snapping herself out of it. When her sisters come in the bath, Marigold states that no one is supposedly immune to her beauty regardless of age and gender, a thing that's naturally impossible without some sort of technique.Mugiwara Franky 01:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It has never once been stated that the Mero Mero no Mi has any sort of charming powers. While there is nothing to disprove that it is possible there is no conclusive evidence to prove that it's possible other than using speculation. Thus this should merely be said to be a theory instead of fact unless stated in the manga.Aiddon 01:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 01:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Ace's conversation with Garp while they were in Impel Down HEAVILY SUGGESTED that he was Dragon's son and...well...look what happened: Image:Bloodline.png|300px|left|Luffy's family tree
 * Kaizoku-Hime 01:23, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The thing with people thinking Ace being Dragon's son was what Oda was going for at that point of the story. The whole idea was a plot device used to make people think that so that when it was revealed that Ace was Roger's son, the shock would be greater. Even if it was wrong back then, the suggestion was justified due to no evidence being there to disprove the suggestion then. I mean don't tell me that you weren't convince back then of the idea of Ace being Dragon's son with his explanation of taking his mother's family name.


 * The same goes for the Mero Mero being the cause of all the love. True it has yet to be stated outright that it is the cause, there's actually less evidence to disprove that its not the cause. Based on what we have now, we can only go with what has more evidence even if its very little.Mugiwara Franky 01:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, it's not conclusive or even really evidence; it is at best speculation from conjecture and thus should not be brought up as fact until concrete confirmation has been made in the plot. --Aiddon 02:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 02:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * While most of the evidence is not exactly conclusive, you can't just disprove them just because no one has yet to completely state it. True the lack of this fact makes it sketchy, however there is less explanation for what else it could be. You could say that she's just naturally super beautiful or even say that she's using Haki, however that's more of a speculation as there less than nothing to support it.


 * The argument of people falling in love with her because of the Devil Fruit has alot of stuff to back it up but has yet to be properly stated. The argument of it being something else on the other has nothing to back it up as well as nothing properly stated yet. Going by this, even if it's a suggestion, we have to assume it is true especially if it's heavy. If it turns out like Ace then okay. Until then however, the suggestion hold ground.Mugiwara Franky 02:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, you still have no concrete proof thus it is still speculation. Your argument of what you state backs it up is still based on subjective conjecture and that is not proof. Until it has been stated 100% that this is the EXACT reason for why Hancock appears to whoo everyone then it is still just a theory and should be avoided as fact until the vagueness of the Mero Mero no Mi has been cleared up

--Aiddon 02:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 02:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious it is her devil fruit powers. If it wasn't then everybody would fall for every other female character in One Piece. Drunk Samurai 05:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The thing with the fruit is that:


 * 1) It's called the Mero Mero no Mi. Mero Mero is the onomatopoeia for falling in love. If petrification was its main power, wouldn't it be called something else that would suggest petrification.
 * 2) The majority of Hancock's techniques are not only love themed, but rely on emotions and feelings of love towards her. A petrification ability that relies on victims' feelings would be useless if the user doesn't have the capability to make them fall in love in the first place.

There's also the whole fact of women and animals falling for her. Straight women falling naturally for Hancock on her looks alone is a bit farfetched especially since One Piece isn't a hentai manga. Animals are also much more farfetched, creatures like snails don't naturally consider mammals as sexy. If all the fruit did was petrify those who fell in love with Hancock, then women and animals would be naturally immune to her powers.Mugiwara Franky 07:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to interrupt here: Remember the camel Eyelashes? He only let Vivi and Nami ride him because he liked pretty girls, there was also that giant crab in the same arc, so there you go, animals (both mammalian and otherwise) finding human women attractive.  And then there's Nami's fight with Cailfa in which she lost her composure for a second while noting her sexiness.  The reason Hancock seems to have a greater effect on people is probably because she's "the most beautiful woman in the world".  I'd also like to point out the only ability of her's we've seen that relies on feelings of love is Mero Mero Merrow; one is hardly the majority Are You Serious 11:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * With Eyelashes and Scissors, they're exceptions to the general animal kingdom. Just because there were two perverted animals, doesn't mean all animals have the same tastes. With Nami falling for Calipha, that was one time thing. It was also not as serious as the other women falling for Hancock.


 * She has shown other abilities in the recent chapter. There is that heart shaped bow that she fires cupid-like arrows with. Those that are hit by the arrows turn to stone. There's that technique in which she kicks people and where she hits, turns to stone.Mugiwara Franky 12:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And none of those techniques require her victims to be infatuated with herAre You Serious 06:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Her petrification techniques recquire dirty thoughts. This means that a person doesn't need to show infatuation on their faces to be affected. If it was not true, Momonga wouldn't need to stab himself, and Marguerite and her friends wouldn't be affected as they showed no signs of outright wild affections the very moment they were petrified.Mugiwara Franky 08:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's only true with Mero Mero Merrow, which, again, is only one technique. Are You Serious 05:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Once again, your interpretations and opinions are not proof and thus should be left as speculation. If the truth of the matter has never, ever been stated then don't jump to conclusions just because you believe there's a just despite the fact that it's vague. Until Oda states otherwise then we should just accept that it is completely unknown if the Mero Mero no Mi can truly charm people or if it's just sheer coincidence. --Aiddon 14:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 14:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It should also be noted that when Alvida showed up in the square in logue town in chapter 98 page 6 we see what appears to be a woman with hearts in her eyes going ballistic over Alvida's beauty just like all the women do over Boa Hancock. Unless you happen to believe that both their devil fruit have attraction abilities it is most likely because of their beauty. It should also be noted that when Luffy saw Hancock bathing on 518 page 5, Marigold stated that it was Hancock's beauty that made her irresistible. Immolo 19:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * With Alvida, there were indeed women who had hearts in their eyes. However, compared with Hancock, they were not as ballistic as the ones who fell for Hancock. Apart from that scene there hasn't been any other scene where thousands of people praise Alvida for her beauty.


 * With Hancock, there have been alot of scenes where women are infatuated with her. While it is not stated, there is clearly something that is not natural. There is also alot of signs like the fruit's name and theme that point to this.


 * One of the more blatant examples of it being the Devil Fruit comes from the first chapter where Hancock appears. When Momonga is talking with the Kuja asking for Hancock to appear, practically all of the Marines keep their composure despite them looking at a bunch of half naked women. When Hancock comes out, they all of a sudden lose their composure as if they were undisciplined. When Hancock asks for the Marine's cargo, the grunts willingly prepare to give it to her. When Momonga shouts out at them, a Marine comments that he found himself obeying Hancock's orders without thinking. The way the scene plays out heavily suggests that Hancock is hypnotizing in some way. Since she stated she ate a Devil Fruit with the name that is the onomatopoeia for falling in love, and she hasn't explained anything else, the signs point it to being the Devil Fruit.


 * While a direct statement is always conclusive, if there are a lot of signs pointing to one conclusion then it must be true.Mugiwara Franky 02:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, those are not signs; they are at best subjective interpretations that have a high possibility of being mistaken. Again, you still lack evidence and your claims of signs are still just your idea of what you THINK they MIGHT be, mean, or lead to. If her charms are because of the Devil Fruit then it does not explain why Hancock simply did not just charm her captors in her youth to escape with her sisters. Plus if this were true then Luffy should not be immune to it as he is extremely susceptible to mind-altering affects. The claims of the Mero Mero no Mi having charming abilities are a theory, nothing more. It should be stated, until proven or disproven, that Hancock's charms MIGHT be from the Mero Mero no Mi but it is otherwise unknown if the fruit itself causes it.--Aiddon 02:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 02:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * For why she couldn't just escape her captors, note she was given the fruit by them in the first place. It would be rather stupid to empower your slave with Devil Fruit powers unless you had a seastone handcuffs lying around. This reasoning can be also be applied to her sisters. Both Mari and Sonia had gained abilities to become gigantic snakes that could easily overpower their captors. If so, why didn't they just poison and constrict their captors and escape.


 * For Luffy, Oda has stated in an SBS of why he was immune. In a fan question of why Luffy had a nosebleed with Nami but felt nothing for Hancock, Oda explained that because Usopp was with him, Luffy was influenced by his reaction to Nami. Since Usopp was not with him, Luffy was being stupid. His stupidity prevented him from falling in love, similar to how Momonga was able to protect himself by stabbing his hand.Mugiwara Franky 02:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, that is an interesting speculation, you asking why didn't the sisters use their abilities to restrain or either defeat their captors and escape. Well, it is possible that the Tenryuubito weren't stupid enough to make any of their slaves eat DFs if they didn't have any sea stone lying around; or maybe I'm wrong. It is possible however, that because of their weakened and traumatic state, they didn't have the will power or the knowledge at the time on how to properly use their powers, it is just a theory of mine, a bit coherent but still, a theory.--Eternity Kidd 05:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, if the Mero Mero no Mi has mind-altering abilities then under no circumstances should it be overriden if the user is not aware of it. If it is like, say, Ms. Golden Week's Color Trap then it should impossible to resist even if they're aware of it. If anything Oda's statement disproves the possibility of Hancock's charms being from the Mero Mero no Mi. Furthermore Marigold clearly stated that "no man or woman, young or old could fail to be captured by your beauty". Even Hancock herself said "even after seeing me in the bath is your heart not swayed?" raising the possibility that the Mero Mero no Mi's power is completely dependent on someone's actual physical attractiveness as opposed to just being a power granted by the Fruit itself. Again, in the end it is unknown whether it is the truth or not but all possibilities are still unknown in their exact validity.--Aiddon 03:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * Seastone cancels Devil Fruit powers, all Devil Fruit powers. This means that powers like hypnotism would be canceled as well. If her irresistibility doesn't come from her Devil Fruit power, then she should have escaped as nothing would be holding her back then.


 * Miss Goldenweek's Color Trap is not Devil Fruit based.


 * Any normal person would feel something upon seeing a nude body. Marigold does indeed say beauty but the whole falling for her regardless of age and gender suggest something is amplifying her beauty.


 * Your argument is that because there is no statement of her irresistibility coming from the Devil Fruit, it might be false. That is a big "if" you are saying without any facts to back your claim. The majority of the given facts show that something is going on with these lovesick people. Unless there is another explanation, the only rational conclusion would be the work of the Devil Fruit.Mugiwara Franky 03:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly, I have no facts to claim it is anything but speculation and ultimately a theory. But ultimately, you as well, have no explicit facts to prove your own theories and furthermore you try to use theories to back up your theories and that is circular logic and thus faulty. You keep saying "facts" but your facts are still just your own statements, not statements from the series itself. I can say without a doubt that no one in the entire series thus far has actually stated Hancock's charms come from the Devil Fruit, though I will also concede that no has said they're NOT. Unless an example can be interpreted no other way than it is not proof or fact. Ultimately it is impossible to prove which theory is correct and thus NONE should be considered more valid than the other unless Oda has cleared up the vagueness of the Mero Mero no Mi.--Aiddon 04:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon

Asking for direct confirmation of a fact is okay but when there are more than enough signs for a fact to be confirmed, then it must be true whether or not there is a direct confirmation. It's like answering a math equation. Take A+B=C. A is equal to 1. C is equal to 3. Even without being told what B represents, one can easily guess that it is 2. Unless another variable is shown in the equation, B will always be 2.

Hancock is kinda the same. We see that Hancock is doing something to make people fall in love with her. We know she ate a Devil Fruit that gives her powers. Putting 1 and 1 together, one can easily guess that her making people fall in love with her is the result of the Devil Fruit. Unless it is explained that she is using perfume, has ridiculous high pheromones, or is using Haki, anyone and everyone will state this fact.

It is not personal preference but common sense that drives this argument. The argument of it maybe not the Devil Fruit, overcomplicates things a conclusion that anybody and everybody can come up with.Mugiwara Franky 04:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Then why did I come to a different conclusion? Common sense should dictate I agreed with no argument. You say you're putting 1 and 1 together but in the end you're not doing 1 + 1 but a=b=c etc. It's far more complex to assume the Mero Mero no Mi has anything to do with it because the examples used have to have other examples or theories to back them up and the examples you cite are assumptions and you cannot say they're facts just because you want them to be. Occam's Razor, go with the simpler solution and the Mero Mero no Mi having a charming power is in no way simple. The simpler thing to day to say it's unknown because there's no proof to back any theories up.--Aiddon 14:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * Okay here are the facts:


 * Lots of people, including women and animals, fall in love with Hancock in an unnatural fashion.
 * She stated that she ate a Devil Fruit.
 * The Devil Fruit's name is Mero Mero.
 * Mero Mero is the onomatopoeia for falling in love.
 * Devil Fruits are named for the main power they give.
 * The petrification techniques of Hancock revolve around people being aroused by her beauty.
 * Her techniques are love themed.


 * If one puts these together, one can up with the answer that people falling in love with her is because of the Devil Fruit. I am not theorizing that these are facts because they are facts. There is only one theory that is supported by these. It is essentially a Love Fruit.


 * Now here is the argument against the facts:


 * It's not stated outright by anyone.


 * That's kinda weak and cannot be strengthened by ignoring the facts of the other argument. If this is combined with the facts, it still doesn't disprove anything. It only speculates the possibility of the Mero Mero being not a Love Fruit.Mugiwara Franky 14:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, those are most certainly the aspects of the Mero Mero no Mi, but Mero Mero literally means "to fall down drunk with emotion" which should means it's an emotion fruit, not specifically a love fruit. You say it's weak that no one has stated outright that it has charming abilities, and is indeed speculation, but the facts you state still lack any sort of clear idea that it could possibly charm people. If this were indeed true, then why did Marigold state "beauty" instead of "powers"? Why were Ace, Crocodile, and Jinbei also unaffected by her? The only time people seem to be affected by her is when she is in viewing distance. All you have done is jump to a conclusion based on your opinion and you can't just do that because you think your theory is good. Your theory is just that: theory, conjecture, opinion, argument, your conclusion is a hypothesis, not a fact. You should avoid putting that on the page without final proof until stated otherwise. The page is to state FACTS, not theory no matter how sound you think it is.--Aiddon 15:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * With Marigold stating beauty is correct but the words before it don't add up to simple natural beauty. The whole no one regardless of age or gender is rather fishy. Hancock maybe the most beautiful but beauty alone can't be what's causing the unnatural love. Beside's according to the Risky Bros., her beauty is second to the Mermaid Princess. If it shown the same degree of love when the Mermaid Princess appears, then probably natural beauty is the cause of all the halabaloo.


 * With Ace, Crocodile, Momonga, Hanyabbal, Jinbei, and others, they certainly didn't go love struck when they saw her. That doesn't mean they aren't affected. Momonga didn't go gaga when he saw her but when saw her doing something, he immediately stabbed his hands to stop his dirty thoughts. This means that even if a person doesn't show that they're in love with Hancock, they obviously have some feelings when they see her. You have to also note. In certain situations, Hancock goes look at my beauty and people she's talking to with go gaga. In certain other situations, she is serious and people in front of her don't immediately fall head over heals.


 * A theory can be proven when there are facts to back it up. The facts while they do not outright say a truth, are pieces that when put together, point to a truth. At the moment, the majority of the facts point to it being the Devil Fruit. There is a small doubt but that is speculation. The theory of it being the Devil Fruit maybe a theory but it has facts to back it up. The theory of it being not the Devil Fruit is in the same boat but it has nothing to back it up.Mugiwara Franky 16:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Then it's not a theory anymore, it's FACT. The attributes you state are indeed facts as displayed in the series, but in no way do they necessarily point to it being a Devil Fruit. There is NOTHING that says that the MUST point to the Mero Mero no Mi when added up. What I have been ultimately trying to state is that NO theories can be proven. It is ultimately impossible to prove (at at this point in time) that her charms are due to her physical appearance, her Devil Fruit, or other means. The conclusion you have come to completely depends on assumption and you never use assumption in when stating facts. Until something has been stated outright the truth is unknown from either you, me, or anybody else.--Aiddon 16:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * They point to it being the Devil Fruit just by adding them up. I mean what other answer do you get when adding them up. They are the only facts known and there are no other facts known that contradict them. The simplest answer that anyone can get is that the answer is pointing to her Devil Fruit. Adding the whole "it is not stated outright" is overcomplicating things. It is a variable that isn't backed up by anything and counterargued by the facts.


 * Take the equation A+B=C again but not with the previous numbers. The number represented by A is given. The number represented by B is given. C is not given. The simplest answer is that C is the sum. If you say the problem can't be solved this way because C is not stated, then you are overcomplicating things for yourself. Unless another variable like D is shown, then C will always be the sum of A and B.


 * Adding the facts together and seeing them point to the Devil Fruit maybe an interpretation but it is a logical one. If it isn't a logical interpretation, what other interpretation do you suggest they point to.Mugiwara Franky 17:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That they might not point to anything. Yes, people swoon over Hancock in an unnatural way. Yes, Mero Mero is a sound word for emotion. Yes, Hancock can turn people to stone when they become infatuated with her. But, does this data, absolutely, 100 percent confirm without any doubt that the Mero Mero no Mi itself causes her charms? NO, there is no universal rule that dictates that. Yes, the data is logical, yes there is reasoning. But the main flaw of this argument is that it completely depends on an assumption that has a chance of being wrong. Several of your own interpretations are you taking things figuratively instead of just literally and as an interpretation can be wrong it should not ever be presented as fact. As things stand Hancock's charms are a mystery that we still don't know the infallible answer to--Aiddon 17:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * Taking things too literally can cause complications in seeing the answer to a problem. If every problem had to be solved with "it has to be stated" then there would be alot of problems. While One Piece is wide, there are universal rules. One rule is that governing Devil Fruit powers. Abilities that seem too unnatural are attributed to the fruits. Unless it is stated, most people including those in the manga, attribute any such phenomenom as Devil Fruit powers. Some things like whether Dragon can control wind are vague as there is not enough facts to support such assumptions. Others however like the walking castle that is Capone Bege are more clearer to assume even without it being stated that it is a Devil Fruit.


 * If we have to take "it is not stated" as a serious variable, then alot of other stuff in this wikia would be changed. We would have to state that the majority of the Supernovas could or could not be Devil Fruit users because it is not stated. We would have to take the pun explanations for alot of attacks because it is not stated. We would have to take out the explanation that the Admirals look like famous Japanese actors because it is not stated. We would have to do alot of other such stuff because it is not stated. In short, the wikia would be filled with too many questions and not enough answers because it is not stated.Mugiwara Franky 17:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

If I may add a point to the discussion (I read rapidly but it does not seem to be stated), I first too was in favor of the devil fruit theory (as you can see in my previous post is mero mero no mi just a beam). The thing that changed my mind is that she still have a similar power in Impel Down while she is wearing seastone handcuff. It's rather lame because it would make her fruit much more usefull and explains her personality better -Kdom 17:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, you make me feel a bit stupid because I just realized the most obvious point should have been right in my face, but thank you for the input. Yes, if the Mero Mero no Mi grants charming abilities then it should have been impossible to make Magellan or anyone else charmed by her after she was forced to wear Seastone handcuffs.--Aiddon 17:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * The seastone cuffs I may have overlooked. But there have been other Devil Fruit users that seem to bypass the seastone cuffs to a certain extent. Mr. 3 was able to make wax keys in seastone looks. Inazuma was able to pick locks including those made out of seastone.


 * From what I've read also, seastone mimics the attributes of the sea. When Luffy was thrown in the water by Arlong, he couldn't move. His head however could still be stretched. He was negated but his innate power could still be used.Mugiwara Franky 18:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, you said Seastone would cancel out Hancock's charms. She was handcuffed constantly while in the prison and said to Luffy "I won't be able to use my powers" thus it should also mean any mind-affecting abilities would be canceled out. Mr. 3's wax was always not touching him any more and Inazuma was only unlocking the cell door for a moment. Claiming the Mero Mero no Mi has charming abilities at this point is a severe contradiction due to the evidence just shown by Kdom.--Aiddon 18:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * It does put a stopper but that's just one point. In the very first instance where Mr. 3 was using his wax to form keys, he was using his finger. For Inazuma, the question is how long would a moment be before the seastone negates his powers. When Luffy held the seastone cage he was in in Rain Dinners, he almost immediately lost power.


 * There is also the question of the degree of the negation. Since the stone mimics the sea, the negation would mimic the degree the sea has on its users. When Luffy plunged into the water from Arlong, his movement and use of his powers were negated. His head however could still be stretched. There's also Brook. Considering his Devil Fruit grants him a second life. Falling into the ocean would mean instant death if it was total negation.Mugiwara Franky 18:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That's the ultimate point: IF the Mero Mero no Mi grants charming powers then Seastone handcuffs would immediately negate the use of it. Were her charms negated? No, she was still able to make anyone in sight become infatuated with her. Plus Seastone seems to depend on physical contact. Was Mr. 3 himself touching the Seastone? No, only wax was as his ability is to produce wax, not become it. Also keep in mind that Brook has also been thrown into water and he is still alive. The Mero Mero no Mi can no longer be said to be the source of Hancock's charms.--Aiddon 18:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * You have note though that Hancock is still pretty even without her powers. Magellan's an idiot. The prisoners in level six seen rioting at Hancock appear to be all men, men who have themselves and no women to comfort with. There was no woman shown to be attracted to Hancock while she had seastone cuffs.Mugiwara Franky 18:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Still, she was wearing Seastone handcuffs and she was able to charm professionally-minded men despite such. The Mero Mero no Mi can no longer be said to be responsible for people becoming unnaturally infatuated with her because of this simple fact: Seastone negates Devil Fruit powers, no exceptions.--Aiddon 18:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * Magellan is the only one that could be called a professionally minded man and he's an idiot 1 of the comedy duo that is made up of him and his Vice Warden. The prisoners in the cells were men imprisoned without the luxuries of women. With these in mind, the question is were the men going wild naturally or were they going wild unnaturally. Unless there was a woman going wild while she was wearing seastone cuffs, the attraction she was giving off then was most likely the natural kind.Mugiwara Franky 19:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, Seastone handcuffs. You kept saying anyone in Hancock's vicinity would be affected by her but if she were wearing handcuffs that theory falls apart. Keep in mind Domino was also in the vicinity. At best the only thing you can claim is that Hancock's charms have ambiguous origins. The Mero Mero no Mi having charming powers is at best speculation due to the examples shown when Hancock just so happened to have Seastone handcuffs on.--Aiddon 19:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon

I am saying that what happened when she met Magellan and the prisoners were at best her natural beauty. With Domino, Hancock charmed Domino before she put on the seastone cuffs. After she put them on, Domino showed no other signs of being charmed.Mugiwara Franky 19:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

And what you are stating is ultimately speculation, it's your opinion. You have no more proof to try and justify your theory and because of that your theory is not somehow more likely just because you say it is. Immolo, Are You Serious, and KDom have also shown facts within the series that refute or contradict your claims. You should not under any circumstances try and pass off your theory as fact on the wiki page. State facts, not speculation--Aiddon 03:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * Well, whatever. However it is an interesting thing. You come here and have an edit war that involved me, Drunk Samurai, and Joekido. I gave facts and you refute them as theories and speculation. You repeat the same argument over and over without adding anything else. When someone else comes with new info and I try to analyze it, you refute the analysis and call it speculation, and hang on to the new info like your old argument without adding anything else.


 * It's not that you are wrong but it seems like you came here to just to cause a problem. The same goes for Immolo as both of you seem to have not contributed anything else to the wikia. What you two are doing is justified, however if this whole mess is the only thing you are going to contribute, all I'm going to think is that you are troublemakers.


 * I'm going to wash my hands of this mess. However, I don't like the whole taking things too literally just cause it's not stated. Every otherwise straight women falling for her almost instantly still seems too unnatural to be anything else than a Devil Fruit power.Mugiwara Franky 08:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Wrong, I came here because I don't like a theory being stated as fact when there isn't conclusive evidence. And furthermore you owe Immolo an apology for what you said further down the page. You say it's unnatural for women and animals to act that way around Hancock but both Immolo and Are You serious proved otherwise when they gave examples from the series with Alvida and Eyelashes and the crab during the Alabasta arc and all you did was blow them off and practically say "I doesn't matter because I say so". Your theory is theory and your examples you have up above can either be interpreted different or have an example to refute them. Your argument has no more weight than any others.--Aiddon 14:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * Guys... I can't believe what I'm seeing here... Chapter 531, pages 9 and 10 - it's pretty clear by the last two panels that "falling in love with hancock" is not part of the Mero Mero no Mi's powers since she's wearing seastone handcuffs since Chapter 526. It just can't be because those seastone handcuffs prevent Devil Fruit users from using their abilities they got from the fruits - we already have known that since Enies Lobby. Furthermore, none of her current enemies nor "allies" on Marineford is falling for her - not even a single one. Those are undebatible proofs.
 * Hancock is said to be the most beautiful women in the world, only mermaids are said to be more beautiful... That - and maybe her haki - has to be the source of that ability of hers. You really think that women in an all women no men society can't fall for other women not even the most powerful und most beautyful ones? Isn't that some kind of naive? -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 20:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

source of Luffy's immunity to mero mero fruit is not stupidity
Why it is written, that Luffy is oblivious to lust due to his stupidity? It is clearly not true - stupid people are not immune to charms. Perhaps it comes from Luffy's personality - he is impressed with unusual things. Maybe all D. people share this trait. Who knows? 78.88.117.116 13:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

In the Volume 54 SBS, it was revealed that Luffy did not react to Hancock because Usopp, who has a bad influence on Luffy, was not present. Usopp was present when they peeked on Nami and Vivi and that's why Luffy reacted to Nami then but not to Hancock. Check this post from Greg at Arlong Park Forums. http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1141697&postcount=82NANLIT 04:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Need someone fluent in Japanese to help.
You'll probably edit this section without me, but...

Alright, take a look at these two RAW pics. They detail the newest of Hancock's attacks. I know what they mean, but the actual translation escapes me.

The first; some kind of arrow attack.

The second; some kind of kick that apparently has some kind of character representing 'aroma' in it.

Someone contact me with the info.


 * If you haven't updated the page already...*--Reikson 15:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The kanji I have no knowledge of, but the attacks are clearly named "Slave Arrow" and "Perfume Femur".--Aiddon 15:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon

I have the kanjis ready for when this page is editable again and someone makes a description of the attacks XD--Odin89 00:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

One Piece Encyclopedia:Canon policy
This page clearly violates the Canon policy do to much of the content fitting under the heading "Rumors and speculations." While locking this article was the right thing to do, whoever locked it neglected to restore this article to it pre-speculation form. This should be rectified as soon as possible. Immolo 17:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you Aiddon‎ by any chance? You seem to have only appeared just to argue?


 * In any case, the lock was made because there was an edit war on which form was correct. The pre-speculation form as you put it, is in disagreement because some see it as not speculation.Mugiwara Franky 17:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No I'm not Aiddon. I'm trying to get this article changed back to the way it was because wikis based on speculation annoy me.


 * How is it not speculation? It has never once stated in the manga that it is her devil fruit causing the attraction and as I said before Boa Marigold has said that it is her beauty that causes the attraction.


 * I only created this thread because I thought a reasonable person had locked the article from editing to stop the edit war and had just forgotten to restore the article to how it was like before the edit war. I'm sorry I didn't realize you were an admin and you were just abusing your power to promote your pet theory. Immolo 18:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There were more than two persons edit warring. It was getting to be a mess. Both sides were not talking then as now.Mugiwara Franky 18:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Since your the only admin here, how do you file a complaint against an admin? I know there as got to be some rule against abusing your power to make sure you win an argument.Immolo 19:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The thing went like this. I was editing and noticed my edits kept on being changed. I started a discussion here. Aiddon stated a few stuff and reverted my edits. Another user by Drunk Samurai stated a few stuff as well and reverted his edits. Both started reverting edits as seen here. None of them were talking so after a revert, I locked the page. It maybe biased a bit but everyone else who participated in the edit war is as much to blame as no one continued talking before reverting.Mugiwara Franky 19:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You didn't answer my question. How do you file a complaint against an admin? Immolo 19:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

At the moment, we are seriously understaffed so a complaint department is not available. There are trusted regulars like User:Angel Emfrbl who you may ask for help. In any case, I explained what happened in the previous comment. If I wanted to abuse my powers, I would've banned people who were arguing with me in my opinions right away, instead of trying to reason with them.Mugiwara Franky 19:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not stupid, you know. You couldn't ban them because then it would be completely obvious to everyone else that you were abusing your power. So instead you just froze the page so it would have your opinion on it. Immolo 19:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

That maybe so but Aiddon wasn't talking much to anyone then to justify his actions, especially during the edit war sequence between him and Drunk Samurai.Mugiwara Franky 19:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response to my question. I'll get right on it. Immolo 19:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

uhh..
shouldnt boa's new attack with the mero mero no mi be written here? i tried so myself but this article cant be edited :S --Pyarox 20:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There was an edit war about whether or not Hancock's unnatural attractiveness comes from her Devil Fruit or not. Please give your opinions in the discussion above if you want.Mugiwara Franky 20:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Puns
Are they going a bit overboard with the symbolism and puns in the attack section? Not every arsenal of moves have zoro-level puns in them. 122.106.238.201 12:22, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure. Here's the thing; Oda's made a business of slapping puns and double-meanings in this manga series for quite a while now, so that's the assumption some of us are going with; that you just have to know where to look. --Reikson 14:54, January 26, 2010 (UTC)