User talk:Babaev

About the Description of Oda
The description of Oda is not needed in Luffy's personality and relationship page. There is already an article page for Oda.Fliu (talk) 03:51, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

I already told you we don't need the extra details about Oda in Luffy's personality section.Fliu (talk) 21:42, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not talking about what Oda want to say about Luffy. I meant is it really necessary having to add "one of the greatest mangaka in Japan".Fliu (talk) 05:26, April 19, 2017 (UTC)

The Correct Pronoun
I'm just changing one word from "His" to "Its". I just explained that a ship is an object, so "it" is the better word rather than "he" or "she".Fliu (talk) 19:03, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

re:Luffy's blood type
I know it was mentioned in an SBS, but it was revealed in chapter 648, so it doesn't count as SBS Trivia. An SBS sometimes mentions thing that were already revealed. SBS Volume 69 "revealed' the Straw Hats birth sea, but they were already known through the chapters beforehand, thus this is not SBS Trivia. It is SBS trivia if it was first revealed in an SBS. Rhavkin (talk) 17:25, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

The fact that it appear on other characters SBS Trivia sections doesn't justify it being on Luffy's. Sorry. Rhavkin (talk) 20:36, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

It's not really up to me, those are the wiki rules. If an admin will say it's okey then I won't undo it but until that happens it's does not belong in the SBS Trivia. Rhavkin (talk) 21:21, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

In the navigation bar, go to "Help" → "Administrators", and choose either an admin or a content Moderator and go to their talk page and ask them. Rhavkin (talk) 22:20, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

Start with what you asked me. Rhavkin (talk) 18:36, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

Because you're the one who wants to do the edit. Rhavkin (talk) 20:22, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

Infobox References
That is too detailed for infoboxes. I even said so twice. SeaTerror (talk) 18:57, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

Why do you feel the need to include the full text of the SBS questions in the references? That just clutters them up and if the page number is provided in the reference then it doesn't really improve people's ability to find the information. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 12:57, February 18, 2018 (UTC)

Grammar
The edits aren't correct. The way that it is now is correct due to grammar. If you tell us what country you are from then maybe we can find somebody who can help you in your own language. SeaTerror (talk) 20:36, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Babaev, I understand that you edit in good faith, but you have to understand that just because you don't mean to be malicious doesn't mean your edits are perfect. Wiki pages are the result of people adding content and tweaking others' content. We all make mistakes when editing, and many of our edits can be improved upon by others. You adding the SBS content was good, but it had issues that needed correcting.

When you add bad grammar in an edit, it needs to be fixed because grammar is obviously important. For example, in one of your edits you wrote "If Bonney were not pirates" when the grammatically correct version is "If Bonney was not a pirate". We have a Manual of Style for a reason and if you are incapable of adding content in proper English then you should not edit the English wiki.

We also have Trivia Guidelines to prevent unnecessary trivia. I've added a fair number of trivia points myself that later got removed. You either accept it, or you go to the talk page and explain why your edit should be there. Saying "my edits are good" is not an actual argument because not all edits made in good faith are good and you have yet to explain why they are good. Learn to accept that people who disagree with you aren't always wrong and understand that to defend your edits you need to provide actual reasons why they should stay on the page the way you wrote them. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 03:00, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

Explain how what you've added is informative and significant to a page. How is it relevant? How is something written better your way than another way? (If you're arguing the last point, you had best fully understand the necessary English). Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:09, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

There's really no need to add trivia about shared birthdays unless a connection between the two characters makes it significant. Saying that Hawkins shares his birthday with Shyarly? There's a connection there, so it's fine. But characters like Vivi and Killer have no connection at all, so there's nothing significant about them sharing a birthday. Just like how the trivia guidelines state that there's no reason to put someone's birthday in their trivia unless there's a significant reason why they have that birthday. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:43, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

I do understand that Vivi and Killer share the same birthday. But you need to understand that many of us don't consider that notable enough to point out. This wiki is not completely exhaustive; we don't make note of every little similarity between characters especially when that similarity isn't significant. We don't note all the characters who have a certain hair color, we don't note all of the characters who are a certain age, because things like that just happen without indicating any significant connection.

That being said, this is something that, if you feel strongly about, you should take to a talk page or forum rather than edit warring and complaining on a user's talk page, so you can make your case before the community and get their input. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 07:56, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

14:02, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

It's in the trivia guidelines already. If your points get disputed, you need to talk about it in the talk page. Not edit war. Keep edit warring and you'll be blocked for a few days. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:25, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

Nami and Robin
>Sanji and Usopp both left the crew and lost their mothers as well

>Literally everyone in the Straw Hats has gone through a terrible experience.

>Nami's subjugation was hardly the same as Robin's. Nami served under Arlong for 10 years while Robin was in Spandam's captivity for about a day, which is more equivalent to Sanji being under his family's control in this arc.

>The Donquixote Pirates trivia is meaningless because there's nothing significant about it. Nami wasn't the only Straw Hat turned into art.

Most of the things Nami and Robin share aren't exclusive to them, which is why the trivia was removed. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:05, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

When a trivia section is 15,000 characters and the SBS section doesn't actually give any info, that's a problem. I explained why I removed the trivia in my edit summaries; you have yet to explain why any of the trivia points should stay other than "my edits are good and your edits are bad." Again, just because you add something in good faith does not mean that it is a good addition.

Also, look at the trivia sections for Shichibukai and Yonko. They heavily resemble what the Worst Generation's trivia section currently looks like. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 22:53, March 25, 2018 (UTC)

Talk Pages
Rather than continuing to edit war, you should learn about the wiki's layout to understand how it works. A good start would be going to One Piece Wiki:Guidebook and its subpages and reading the rules. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:16, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

Categories
Do you not know how categorizing works? Luffy is under the Category:Foosha Village Characters, which is under Category:Dawn Island Characters, which is under Category:East Blue Residents, so Luffy is under the EBR despite it not specifically appearing on his page. Now stop adding that category. Rhavkin (talk)

Why can't you except that what you are doing is wrong? Rhavkin (talk) 13:34, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

You think you know. And if I may ask, based on what exactly? Rhavkin (talk) 18:44, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

You're right, I do not understand what you want, I do not trust your edits because you made more bad edits then good ones, and I do not care about what you told me because I disagree. If you want your edits to remain as is, you must give a proper, exceptable reason. Rhavkin (talk) 19:14, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

Your edits are not correct. They are not even close to correct. Get your head out of your ass and either justify your edits, or listen to Rhavkin and stop doing them. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 13:56, June 15, 2018 (UTC)

I understand that you believe that what you are doing is right, but it isn't. I've seen on your user page that you also edit on the Russian wiki, and if you would look on Luffy's page there, you would see that he isn't in the EBR there either. I presume that is a language you are more comfortable with, and because I think we can both agree that we will not reach an understanding, maybe if you would talk to someone on that wiki they will be able to explain it to you more clearly. Let me clarify that I'm not telling you that you are right, just that there might be someone else that explain to you why you are wrong. Rhavkin (talk) 14:01, June 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yamato the Female Character
As much as I would prefer her to be in that category myself, did you have a source that debunks the whole transsexual thing?Awareness Bringer 14:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Trivia
SBS-based trivia doesn't get split off into a subsection until there are multiple entries. Reiju's birthday is one entry; therefore, it doesn't qualify for a subsection. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Where are you reading that SBS trivia has to be sectioned off regardless of the number of entries? This doesn't appear to be the practice on most pages, nor is it listed in the Trivia Guidelines. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 13:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Re:Robin Images
You're overloading sections with images. Just because an image has Robin in it doesn't mean that it must be included in her history article. Try to stick to one image for every two paragraphs or so. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Rhavkin (talk) 17:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Re: Images
I got them from the raw digital volume itself. Rhavkin (talk) 03:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Seriously? Again with the English version? Rhavkin (talk) 11:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

This is not how this works/ If you are uploading images you know shouldn't be upload that's vandalism. If you can't find a proper image, try contacting users who could help. Next time I'll have to get an admin involved. Rhavkin (talk) 18:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I can't guarantee I have access or time to what you'll ask. I could try, but even if I can't, don't upload images you know are wrong. Rhavkin (talk) 03:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Go ahead. For future reference, What I did was downloading the digital volume, and crop the images from the sbs pages. Anyone can do it if they have the volume, and if you want to not have to relay on other users you can do it to, but even before with the English images, you did not add a source, license, or categories. Make sure you add that in every image you upload. Rhavkin (talk) 06:31, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

No, they mustn't. Rhavkin (talk) 08:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Read the image guidelines. Rhavkin (talk) 13:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Or you'll learn how to do it yourself. Rhavkin (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Google it. Rhavkin (talk) 18:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Mostly n y a a. s i. Rhavkin (talk) 02:55, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Just to make sure, did you copy the site name with the spaces? Because you shouldn't... Rhavkin (talk) 15:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what to tell you. The site works for me and I can not be at your back and call for every sbs. Try the fan forums like w-o-r-s-t-g-e-n. Rhavkin (talk) 17:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Let's try this way: Rhavkin (talk) 16:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Maybe this? Rhavkin (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I guess that worked. Make sure to add the source and license on your images. Rhavkin (talk) 03:11, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Which is...? Rhavkin (talk) 12:37, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

If you don't know how to, it is better to leave the translation to those who do. Just contact the admins any they can either confirm the translations or fix them. As for the image translation, I'd use the English volume for the context if you have issues there, but again for the translation it is best to go to someone who actually knows Japanese. Rhavkin (talk) 06:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Not good ones. Rhavkin (talk) 21:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Redundant References
The repeated references for birthdays, ages, and heights are the redundant references I was referring to. Unless there is a disparity or change in details (like two different birthdates or changes in age/height), then we don't need multiple references that just repeat the same information.

Instead of edit warring, you should ask on Talk Pages. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Again, those references aren't needed there as the other references already cover the same information. Similarly, we don't cite every time a character's name is said or listed in an SBS. These redundant references only serve to clutter the infobox and don't provide information.

Instead of edit warring and bickering in edit summaries, you should discuss topics on Talk Pages. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 12:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Don't play dumb. This is far from the first time you've had to use Talk Pages to address your edit wars. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

First, you told me that you had questions, but you never actually told me what the questions were. Then you told me that you were going to ask me the questions, but the next day, you instead decided to continue the edit war. Now, you're complaining that you don't know what is being discussed when I've explained it to you multiple times in edit summaries and on your Talk Page.

All you need to do is cite where a piece of information (age, height, birthdate, etc.) is mentioned first, be it manga, anime, or SBS. If that detail changes, such as growing older or taller, then include an additional citation alongside the new information. If that detail doesn't change, then no additional citations are needed; listing every time the detail is mentioned, is unnecessary and clutters the infobox.

Additionally, if you find your edit disputed, then talk out the disagreement on a Talk Page rather than resorting to edit wars. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

"Instead of edit warring and bickering in edit summaries, you should discuss topics on Talk Pages." Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:09, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I assume you were trying to ask why you received the Vandalism warning. It was for continuing an edit war that you agreed to stop, as well as blindly undoing edits for the purpose of goading other editors.

If you actually wanted to discuss the changes, then you should've done so on a Talk Page, but so far all you've done is vandalize articles and complain that I haven't answered questions that you never asked. The person holding back the discussion on the SBS profiles is yourself. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Again, if you actually wanted to discuss the changes, then you should've done so. Simply telling me that you want to discuss a topic isn't actually discussing that topic nor does it invite any meaningful discussion. You need to at least mention what part you take issue with or what your counterargument is.

As for the references, we've been over this before: "All you need to do is cite where a piece of information (age, height, birthdate, etc.) is mentioned first, be it manga, anime, or SBS. If that detail changes, such as growing older or taller, then include an additional citation alongside the new information. If that detail doesn't change, then no additional citations are needed; listing every time the detail is mentioned, is unnecessary and clutters the infobox." I didn't say that SBS references are unnecessary, only the ones that repeat information already cited in the infobox. And you seemingly agreed with this. No, just because the SBS lists something doesn't mean it needs to be in the infobox, especially if that information is already cited in the infobox. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I've addressed those in the explanations above. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I did. Reread all of my posts in this section until it makes sense. Or ask someone else to explain it to you. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 03:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

The posts are here. Read all of it. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 12:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Earlier this week, you agreed to follow my explanation. By breaking from that, you are the one "spoiling" the infoboxes. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 22:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Notes on SBS Pages
Please don't copy notes from Artur (Library of Ohara) onto the SBS pages, those come from him and not the SBS and do not belong here. Notes, if necessary, should be written by wiki editors and only be used for brief translation clarification. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Parent Categories
When adding categories, be careful you aren't doubling up on them due to overlapping parent categories, which are larger categories that contain other subcategories. For instance, you added Yonji to the Category:Male Characters category but he was already included in that one through Category:Princes, a subcategory of Male Characters. Similar goes for the other Vinsmoke siblings. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Trivia
I'm sorry but no, I cannot leave you to do everything on your own when you have demonstrated a clear struggle with grammar and proper sentence structure. Take, for example, the recent edit war you waged because you didn't include an indefinite article. You need to be more open to letting other people amend your edits; we aren't "spoiling" your edits.

Please, take some time to review the wiki's Manual of Style, especially the parts on grammar and writing style. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:44, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

In addition, you are aware that this wiki not only is always up to date with the latest chapter, SBS and Vivre Card/Databook info, but that the Main Page has a sign that says "Please be aware, before progressing any further, that this site contains heavy SPOILERS."? So what do you mean by "spoiling everything"?Greatsong1 (talk) 18:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright I think I understand now what you meant by spoiled, my bad. Still, Nesha has a point about your struggle with grammar.Greatsong1 (talk) 19:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Babaev, I'm a Content Moderator here at One Piece Wiki. First of all, you are grammatically incorrect in a number of your edits, as DN and Greatsong have pointed out. I've corrected the grammar and phrasing to match what a native English speaker would say. Second, your attitude about "spoiling edits" is not appropriate here. Wikis are communal projects, meaning anyone can edit our wiki if they've made an account. The pages you edit may be changed, and you need to be okay with that. Especially when your grammar needs work because it is incorrect, continuing to edit war and blame other people for "spoiling your edits" is ground for a ban.

I really appreciate the work you're doing for the SBS columns, so please reflect on this and try to be more open to other people's input. None of what DN or Greatsong is saying is meant to be a personal attack on you or an attempt to delegitimize the work you're doing. They are trying to help you with your grammar. Typically, when there is an edit war, it goes to a talk page, but because it is an issue over grammar and not facts, that isn't necessary.

If you have any questions, please reach out to me or one of our Admins. At this point, any further edit warring will result in a warning, followed by a temporary ban if continued. 11:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I rereviewed the edits in question and realized you were cursing at other users in the edit summary. Consider the message above your warning, and the next time you edit war, it will be a temporary ban. 14:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

For Hawkins, Law, and Apoo, I made some minor grammatical edits, but the content remains unchanged otherwise. 17:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

They did not complain to me. As a moderator, I keep an eye in edits and discussions. I observed the edit war and stepped in on my own. 03:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll answer when I'm able and when I want. I never said that I thought you wanted an edit war. Obviously no one wants them to happen. But your grammar was wrong, and when other people corrected it, you escalated the situation.

As far as "are engage in," the correct ways to write would either be "are engaging in" (the verb is 'are' followed by the present participle 'engaging') OR "engage in" (just the single conjugated verb by itself).

I won't be able to answer every grammar question because even though I am a native speaker, I'm not an expert on the terminology. Please just try to be more open to other people's edits and input. I appreciate you trying to make flawless edits, but none of us are perfect. I'm a content moderator, and I still make mistakes. That's okay. That is why other editors help out and correct when they see issues. 16:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

As I wrote on his page, Hawkins' hobbies are interior designing and taking baths (using the present participle in this case). 17:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

While the sentence could be rewritten to include "are engaging in" (Note: it would require more than simply adding that), it's unclear what grammatical mistake you are attempting to fix in the sentence as it currently is. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 19:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

While "are engaging in" is also grammatically correct, it is awkward phrasing for a native English speaker. For example, let's look at the sentence in question (I'm taking out interior design for this explanation): No one would say their hobby is "engaging in taking baths" in a normal conversation. If we try flipping it around, maybe that'll clarify it for you? Both make sense grammatically, but "engage in" is unnecessary and awkward in this context. 21:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hawkins' hobby is taking baths.
 * Hawkins' hobby is engaging in taking baths.
 * Taking baths is Hawkins' hobby.
 * Engaging in taking baths is Hawkins' hobby.

Hawkins is designing, specifically interiors. "Interior designing" is correct as is. Again, what grammatical mistake are you attempting to fix in the sentence as it currently is? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

You're looking for gerunds? If so, then "interior designing" works. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I do, but you still seem unsatisfied with the answer. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Babaev, please just give it a rest. Dragonus and I have tried explaining this to you but you basically keep asking the same questions. Hawkins doesn't "do" anything with interior design because it is an action/activity by itself. It's like asking "what does he do with bathing?" - literally just the act of bathing.

I know you wanted me to answer, but leaving multiple messages back-to-back on my talk page is excessive. I can't and won't always answer quickly. At this point, the edit war is done, we've tried explaining why you are wrong, and it still stands that you'll be temporarily banned the next time you use profanity at another user or start an edit war. Please don't message me about this again. 21:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I was going to thank you for reaching out to me before starting an edit war, but I see that you went ahead and made the edits anyway. I don't appreciate the impatience. There are two main things wrong with the way you've written that:
 * Putting "who would win" after the list of names is awkward phrasing for a native English speaker.
 * You've created run-on sentences, which should not be used because they are poor phrasing.

The way I previously corrected the passage addresses both issues. I don't know why you think it is incorrect.

What I want (and I think I can speak for Dragonus, too) is for the wiki to be well-written with proper grammar and clear phrasing. I'm going to correct the passage on Luffy, Law, and Kid's pages again, and if you revert it to use poor grammar and phrasing, that will be considered edit warring. 15:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate you trying to write it correctly, but the fact remains that your version is a run-on sentence, which is poor writing. Please leave it as it is now, and if you're going to make an argument as to "why" my version is incorrect, please explain it instead of just repeating what you think is right.

I really don't enjoy arguing with you over this stuff, Babaev. The content you add to pages is valuable, but you refuse to take any criticism on how said content is written. Please consider being more open to feedback and others making edits after you. This isn't your personal wiki; it is for the entire community, and it should be written with grammar and phrasing that makes sense to our readers. As a content mod, my job is to make sure that things are written properly. I got this role because my writing on the wiki over the years, and even outside of the wiki, I write and copy edit professionally. Trust me when I say, I am not doing this to spite you. I just want the wiki to be written properly, but I get annoyed when you refuse to listen. We both want the wiki to be good, right? Please be willing to work with others, so we can all make it better. 22:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Gambling is the action. "Playing gambling" is improper writing. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Stop editing the archive Talk Page. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

No, you have repeatedly refused to learn from us and accept our answers to such questions. I don't know where your fixation with adding actions ("doing") comes from, maybe a teacher taught you incorrectly or you misunderstood that lesson. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to barge in, but this is overflowing my mail notification so let me try to solve this differently. First off, let put the English lesson aside, since it isn't my first language either, and I had troubles with it before multiple times I will not comment on the majority of this discussion since it started to focus on grammar more and more. Now for how I see this:


 * Hawking can appreciate or value interior design, saying he practice it imply that on his spear time he reorganize and decorate rooms, so saying he is "engaging in..." is speculation.
 * Blackbeard likes gambling, but it wasn't stated that he likes gambling games. He might enjoy the literal "taking risks" or "wagers" otherwise it would say his hobby is "Gambling Games" (ギャンブルゲーム) instead of just "Gambling" (ギャンブル).

Now, since the action taken in order to enjoy those hobbies is speculated, regardless of proper grammar, it shouldn't be included. Rhavkin (talk) 19:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Re:Birthday Calendar
If there is already a reference to the character's birthday in the infobox, then no, the birthday calendar isn't important enough to cite. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

That has no bearing on whether or not an extra citation is needed in the infobox. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

One Piece Wiki:Guidebook/Trivia Guidelines Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

No, Zoro and Vivi don't share a birthday. I'm not sure why you insist on me answering that when you could've checked that yourself. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 13:25, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Maybe. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:11, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

I have nothing to say on the matter. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I think you didn't bother reading my response. But I don't trust your knowledge of Japanese. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

"I have nothing to say on the matter." Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Eiichiro Oda Dragonus Nesha (talk) 02:36, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Rebecca's trivia already has an explanation listed. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:30, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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Please upload your SBS Volume 103 images as pngs. Thanks. 11:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

You can download and save the images as PNGs in any image processing/editing program, like Paint or Photoshop. Or there are online converter websites you can use. 15:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Re:Images
Which image is missing? Also I just downloaded the volume from n.y.a.a, but if you don't want to download it I can add the image myself; the download is in jpg format so the images need to be converted before uploaded. Walrsu (talk) 04:06, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I only found 103 recently, but if/when I find 104 I'll let you know. Walrsu (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't unfortunately, I haven't managed to find it online anywhere. Walrsu (talk) 20:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The volume can be found online on the same website as before - once again the images are jpg, so they need to be converted before being uploaded. Walrsu (talk) 09:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

You can find it on nyaa. Walrsu (talk) 02:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

I would rather not link directly to pirating sites, but it's the second result on nyaa when searching "one piece 104", and can be downloaded from there. Walrsu (talk) 13:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Re:Outfit
Listen, i want to say. I don't think I can handle all the egghead arc outfits. Here are my reasons:
 * 1. I don't think I can do them cuz all the details
 * 2. Kinda little tedious for me to do it whenever i feel like to or not.
 * 3. My suggestion to ask someone else to do it instead.

I'm sorry if I can't do what you request me to do them, but i hope you understand. Kunoichi101 (talk) 18:46, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

If you want to learn how to make some details on the details despite my reasons, lemme give you a list of the details for Egghead outfits.
 * Hawaiian shirts: Sanji and Jinbe
 * For the girls (ex. Nami, Robin and Bonney) Nami (one-piece attire like a leotard or jumpsuit), Robin (jacket-like jumpsuit), Bonney (jumpsuit with long sleeves and gloves)
 * Usopp (full jumpsuit with dark jacket)
 * Franky (though it's very difficult to describe)
 * Chopper and Luffy (they only wear long coat-like with SSG logo)
 * Note all wear DOM Shoes.

I hope this helps for now =.=" Kunoichi101 (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Spoiler Rules
i understand your excitement but please be aware that we can't edit right now until the official release of chapter 1071. also i would advise to look over the Spoiler Rules Guideline. Kunoichi101 (talk) 20:02, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

SBS 76
That SBS question is about the Heart Pirates' naming/design theme, which is Arctic animals. It's like how the Big Mom Pirates have a food/music theme, and the Beasts Pirates, a card theme. While the question confirms the theming, it's not specifically an SBS-based trivia either.

As I stated before, it's also not noteworthy that a polar bear resembles a polar bear. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

No. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

No, but I do think you've majorly misinterpreted what the animal references mean. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I did already. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:53, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Re:Close up
Then it's probably for the best that you don't mess with them. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Character Histories
Character history sections are to be written with a different tense and style than chapter summaries. Please, stop copy-pasting summaries and edit warring. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Then take this time to read over the wiki's Manual of Style. The poor copy-pasting spoils the section and article. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't disagree that Bonney's and other characters' histories need to be updated to include the recent chapters, but copy-pasting from the chapter summary is the wrong way to do it. I'm not ignoring your explanation; it simply doesn't counter the rules regarding edits. You asked what the proper tense and style would be and I provided the page that details that information. If you don't want to read the rules, that's your prerogative but it won't excuse your edits from being reverted when they break said rules. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 19:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Also to add my opinion in this matter I believe the additions you were making were too overly-detailed. When I write the short summaries I always use VIZ's website with the new chapter to look over the material and find the simplest ways to keep write the short summary with few simple words while ignoring anything too complex which is what is covered in the Chapter notes and long summary which I do help with the former. If you want to help, just look over the chapter material and keep it from getting too complex to prevent it from being too over-detailed. That is my advice instead of the copy/paste method.-Adv193 (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Even if you do not have a VIZ membership, the last three released chapters are available on Viz.com -Adv193 (talk) 20:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Took care of it by examining the last two chapters as well as citing both pages. If you can't get this done then back down and patiently wait for someone else more eligible of updating the character summaries properly. -Adv193 (talk) 21:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Deliberately breaking rules and making bad edits in an effort to force others to clean up after you, is an unacceptable practice of editing. While you might not have intentionally done this with your initial additions, your reversions are engaging in this practice since I pointed out what rules they were breaking. Instead, you should take the time to address and amend the problems in the edits yourself. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

If you want to fill out the sections and contribute, then take the time to properly correct the additions rather than copy-pasting and expecting someone else to fix it for you. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Both Adv193 and I have tried to tell you what corrections you need to make and how to do them. If you never knew how to correct your mistakes, then why did you insist on edit-warring when people did try to correct them in the past? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Then let someone more knowledgeable/qualified write the summaries instead. I'm too busy working on other things to spend it pointing out every single change that needs to be made, especially when you've repeatedly told me that you ignore my and others' help and messages. You ask for an example, but Adv193 already gave you one with the Bonney summary.

Perhaps you should practice writing summaries for a wiki in a language you're more comfortable with. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Again, copy-pasting from the chapter summaries is sloppy work and spoils the articles. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 02:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Grammar
I just want to make it clear that I was not TRYING to make a grammar error. Using "were" in a conditional sentence is considered more correct than "was" (as in "If I were you" and such), but I understand that this wikia prefers the usage of American English, so I am leaving it as it is. However, I would appreciate it if you did not accuse me of TRYING to make a grammar error.

These Devil Fruits are making me thirsty! Piposh D. Hezi 13:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Re:Characters
What do you want to talk about regarding them? Walrsu (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, yea. It's been a while since I last read it though. Walrsu (talk) 04:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

What did he not reveal? It may have been revealed already elsewhere (Vivre Cards, etc), though I'm not very familiar with that kind of trivia. Walrsu (talk) 05:18, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Jinbe's blood type is the same as Luffy's (Chapter 648, type F), so that's likely why it wasn't mentioned in SBS99, and he probably just doesn't have a nickname from Law since he didn't spend much time with him. Interesting that he didn't reveal the others though. Walrsu (talk) 06:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Why would he need to "confirm" Jinbe's blood type? It's an essential plot point, not like an implication or anything - if I'm not mistaken somebody even explicitly said "Jinbe is the only other person here with F-type blood". Walrsu (talk) 07:19, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Yea fair enough, it could have been mentioned at least but it doesn't really change anything - we know it anyways, regardless of it's from the SBS or the manga (which is higher in the canon hierarchy anyways). Walrsu (talk) 09:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

If it was revealed in a future SBS then I assume it would count as SBS-based trivia, minus the blood type. No idea if he would though Walrsu (talk) 18:58, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the notification for the last message. It is weird that he didn't mention all those things, but it's probably just that he didn't think anybody would be interested. Walrsu (talk) 17:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I could see that being the case. They don't have much interaction though so it'd be hard to say for sure. Walrsu (talk) 23:00, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

What about her? Walrsu (talk) 06:26, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes sorry, it got covered by JiunoLujo and Doctorpirata's messages.

I'm not sure that the Marines would continue actively pursuing - discounting Blackbeard's appearance, seemingly only the Seraphim were able to maybe arrest her there, and it seems like the Seraphim are busy at the moment. Not to mention they didn't hunt down Weevil (Ratel and his group only even hearing rumors that Weevil escaped), plus as you mentioned Hancock is with Rayleigh and Shakky now, making it even harder to arrest her. Walrsu (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I imagine she'll join the Grand Fleet eventually, and/or Amazon Lily will fall under the Straw Hats' protection, yea. I don't know how likely it is that it's any time soon though, since the Straw Hats are so far into the New World now and she would need to figure out where they even are first. Walrsu (talk) 04:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

It would definitely be interesting if she did join the main crew, but personally I just can't see it happening. She has her own crew and her own country, and leaving them to become a member of Luffy's crew, especially this late in the series, just seems like too drastic a change. Walrsu (talk) 06:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Staying on Amazon Lily would endanger the Kuja because the World Government would be hunting her. But if she joined the Grand Fleet and Amazon Lily fell under their control, it would be protected from the Government through the power of an Emperor. It's not impossible that she joins the main crew, I just think it'd be weird to have a new member this late. Walrsu (talk) 20:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

That's interesting, I didn't know those trivia points about her. We'll see what happens with her later I guess, probably after Egghead concludes. Walrsu (talk) 05:41, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Yea. Her being alone makes sense since she was shown to be the only escapee of some event after entering the New World, when she fought Blackbeard; though that was two years ago if I remember correctly. Walrsu (talk) 06:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Was she there to get revenge for them? I'm pretty sure she just happened to run into Blackbeard; there's no indication she knew Ace and Whitebeard at all. Walrsu (talk) 20:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

She probably just wasn't able to. Assuming she used her Devil Fruit abilities to escape, she may have just not been able to access them. Maybe she was kept in a different area than them? Since the Government clearly wanted to arrest her specifically. Walrsu (talk) 05:44, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

I mean it's possible but seems highly unlikely. Even ignoring the fact that she seems like a good person (with the little we've seen), it just doesn't seem like something Oda would make a character (that we're clearly supposed to like) do. Walrsu (talk) 19:41, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Probably with the Straw Hats. Or, if Vegapunk ends up leaving separately, with him. Walrsu (talk) 02:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

It's possible, but like Hancock, I feel like it's kind of late for an established character to join the crew now. I do think it's more likely than Hancock though; she's pretty much completely alone, so she wouldn't be leaving anybody else behind. Walrsu (talk) 03:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

That's true but I don't really see that affecting Luffy's potential decision. He doesn't really have a relationship with Dragon so I can't imagine Dragon's life will influence how Luffy decides on stuff; though he seems to like Bonney either way so it doesn't really matter. Walrsu (talk) 03:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Yea I agree, it seems like she'll find out in the next few chapters (if Oda focuses on her and Vegapunk again soon, anyways). Walrsu (talk) 04:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes probably. Walrsu (talk) 05:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, I didn't know that he avoided revealing specific information. Walrsu (talk) 06:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Yea it's interesting that he hasn't revealed her Devil Fruit name yet. I'm guessing he's waiting because it'll be mentioned in-series, but considering he just forgot to reveal Kid's fruit name it might just be that again. Walrsu (talk) 17:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Yea, we'll see when he names Bonney's fruit I guess. Walrsu (talk) 22:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I don't read the text spoilers so I won't be able to discuss those. I wait for the scanlations before reading anything about the chapter. Walrsu (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

What about her? Walrsu (talk) 03:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, causing people to assume Vivi is with Sabo. Walrsu (talk) 05:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Yea, he was probably killed by the World Government. It would tie in to what the Five Elders said about "eliminating a light", assuming they picked Vivi. She probably already knows (or at least suspects) though, and I'm guessing is on the run to try and figure out how to deal with it. Walrsu (talk) 01:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. It would be cool if he revealed the other stuff too, but I don't know when he would bring it up/it would be brought up again. Walrsu (talk) 04:41, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

It's true that Arabasta was inspired by Egypt, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Vivi would be Egyptian if she was in the real world. Other way, it would be interesting to hear what Oda has to say about it. Walrsu (talk) 05:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure about her body measurements, but her height was revealed in the Vivre Card databook (approximately 5'6"). Walrsu (talk) 05:56, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

It's from the Vivre Card, so presumably after the timeskip. Walrsu (talk) 06:07, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

It would definitely be more consistent at least. Walrsu (talk) 14:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

To find information from the Vivre Cards? Most of the information has already been listed on the wiki on the related pages, but when they released Artur (the Library of Ohara) usually translated them, and I believe redon on the Arlong Park Forums scanlated them, though I'm not sure if they're still up. Walrsu (talk) 04:38, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Those are the only two I'm aware of that explicitly documented the information unfortunately. I think there may have been Reddit threads made when the packs released too but I'm honestly not sure, nor would I know how to find them. Walrsu (talk) 06:05, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh interesting, I didn't know that. That's probably where it comes from then. Walrsu (talk) 04:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, it sounds reasonable though. A lot of One Piece characters have birthdays based on their names so it would make sense that the asker got the date from her name. Walrsu (talk) 04:55, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

If that's the case then yea it probably comes from that. I don't really get these number references/jokes since I don't speak Japanese but from what I've heard they appear in birthdays and bounties a lot. Walrsu (talk) 06:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh interesting, I never noticed that. Walrsu (talk) 05:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea. I don't speak Japanese so none of those puns really make sense to me, but maybe it's meant as a combination of both his first and family names? Walrsu (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't know either. Walrsu (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Yea, it (roughly) means that there are too many templates on his page. I'm not entirely sure how to fix it though since the templates are usually important. I don't know if you've looked through the category, but all of Luffy's, Law's, Ace's, and Doflamingo's pages are in the category too, as well as the Marines page.

Also just letting you know, if you want to link to a category use display text instead of ; the latter just adds the page to the category while the former links to it. Walrsu (talk) 02:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

To remove it you'd need to reduce the amount of templates on the page, but more will just be added in the future so I'm not sure there's much to do about it. Walrsu (talk) 07:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

For Drake? That would only increase the problem, because then you would have an extra template. The reason other characters have that, as far as I'm aware, is because they need to be used on all the different subpages, which Drake doesn't have. Walrsu (talk) 14:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes some character use subpages, but that has to do with the page size, not the number of templates. Drake's page is only 50,000 bytes, half of what it needs to be to be split into subpages (100,000 bytes). Either way, subpages isn't a catch-all to fix the issue, since it's also happening on Luffy's, Ace's, Law's, and Doflamingo's pages, all of which have subpages. Walrsu (talk) 16:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what could be done to solve it. The templates here tend to be complicated so there's a lot of expansion. Walrsu (talk) 17:52, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

No, I can't think of any ways to fix it. The number of templates called would be need to be decreased somehow, either on the actual page or from within other templates. Walrsu (talk) 18:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't know who speaks Japanese so I'm not sure. Walrsu (talk) 02:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't know who can help, unfortunately. Walrsu (talk) 04:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

What's the information? I can help phrase it in English. Walrsu (talk) 02:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes I understood, but what did he say about them? I don't have access to the 26th Log so I don't know what you're referring to. Walrsu (talk) 03:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

If that's the only thing then I don't see anything particularly trivia-worthy. Walrsu (talk) 04:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't particularly think it belongs in her trivia section, no. Walrsu (talk) 01:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Correct, I don't think it's worth adding. Walrsu (talk) 02:28, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

If you think it should be there then feel free to add it, I won't remove it. That's the point of a communal editing system. Walrsu (talk) 03:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

It's romanized on page 338. Walrsu (talk) 02:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Page 355. It includes concept art of the Kuja and Marguerite as well. Walrsu (talk) 01:07, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

It's concept art of Amazon Lily and the Kuja tribe, mentioning how they're inspired by China. Walrsu (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Are you asking if there was, or stating there was and asking what book it was in? I didn't see any while flipping through Yellow, Green, or Blue Deep, so I don't know if there's been any concept art of her revealed. Walrsu (talk) 02:30, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

There's a small concept art on her Vivre Card but it doesn't really show anything. You can see it here. Walrsu (talk) 04:54, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm here, just not sure what else to say. The concept art on her Vivre Card isn't particularly interesting.

If you're saying that you've seen other concept art, then I'm not sure where it came from; I found none while going through the five color databooks. It may come from a color walk, but I don't know which. Walrsu (talk) 00:38, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but the only concept art of Vivi (as far as I know) is the one linked above. It's the only one on her card, anyways. I haven't looked at every Vivre Card so I don't know what characters have concept art and which don't. Walrsu (talk) 00:59, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I have pictures of most of the cards, but they're not particularly good quality. Walrsu (talk) 01:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I have Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, and Blue Deep digitally. Walrsu (talk) 20:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I'd rather not send them out since they're copyrighted materials, sorry. Walrsu (talk) 01:18, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

You may just not be able to read them digitally then, unfortunately. Walrsu (talk) 01:37, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not going to send copyrighted material. Walrsu (talk) 01:47, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I've had them for a while so I'm not sure where I got them originally, but even if I remembered, I wouldn't specify that either - that's still sharing copyrighted material. Walrsu (talk) 01:55, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter if you're interested in copyright, the databooks are copyrighted. If you want to read them, nothing is stopping you from purchasing them. Walrsu (talk) 02:10, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

It hasn't even been an hour, and I was working on other things; I wasn't ignoring you.

As I've mentioned multiple times, I won't share copyrighted materials. Please stop asking me to. If you want to read the databooks and can't find them online then buy copies. Walrsu (talk) 03:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

You can buy them on Amazon Japan, though the shipping is expensive. Either way, I'm not sure else to say; I'm still not going to share copyrighted materials. Walrsu (talk) 03:56, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't want to illegally share copyrighted materials. Whether you have the databooks or not has nothing to do with it. Walrsu (talk) 04:13, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

That's the advantage of a wiki; not everyone needs to have access to every source. It's a community build-up of information. Walrsu (talk) 04:31, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

You're clearly ignoring what I'm saying so I'm going to stop responding to this discussion. I won't share ways to pirate copyrighted materials. If you want to read them, buy the books. Walrsu (talk) 04:40, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

As I've mentioned, multiple times, I will not illegally share copyrighted materials. You're ignoring me when I say that and frankly, it's insulting. I couldn't care less whether or not you have the books and it's not that I "don't want to help you," it's that I don't want to share copyrighted materials, as I've repeatedly said.

Nothing is stopping you from buying the physical books if you want to read them - I've bought them myself, and own a copy of each. The fact that you don't want to or can't do so has nothing to do with me and does not change the fact that I will not share copyrighted materials.

Stop asking me to do so. I have no intention of responding to anything regarding this again, and will ignore any future messages regarding it. Walrsu (talk) 07:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Spoiler Rules
Hey there! Your edits were found to be in violation of our Spoiler Rules. On this wiki, new information is only added once chapters are officially released by Shueisha. Shueisha releases the chapters to read for free on Manga Plus, typically on Sundays at 3:00 PM UTC. Any translations released before that time are pirated, and usually very flawed, so using them to update the wiki is not allowed.

Be sure to wait for the official release before adding content in the future. If you have any questions about these rules, don't hesitate to ask. Thank you. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Actually take some time to read the rules that I linked. You're thinking of the wrong definition of "spoil". Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Bonney
I updated the page with the latest info, and sourced it. Usually I like to take the simple jobs that are easier to work with a rarely tackle the larger stuff which I leave for people who are more talented in writing than I am. This is why I only focus on the smaller summaries for the chapter pages, and only update character profiles if I feel like it. That is the reason I often ignore messages or I just know I do not have to respond depending on the situation. -Adv193 (talk) 16:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Blue Deep
To alleviate any doubt, here is Luffy's profile from the Blue Deep databook. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

In the past, you agreed to not clutter infoboxes with redundant citations since we don't need to list everytime a piece of information is mentioned; I'm simply holding you to that. And as you've acknowledged, the databook does indeed contain the information on his height and age. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Then why repeatedly lie about Blue Deep not containing the information? The databook pages are just as easily found through Google searching as the SBS pages. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

And you think that excuses your dishonesty? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

"This information was not found in One Piece Blue Deep: Characters World." This was the lie. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

That's weird because you just confirmed that you were the one mistaken. Do you not believe that the other databook profiles exist and contain the cited information? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:26, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

"one reference is not enough." That's another weird thing because this started when you substituted one reference for another. So you do believe that one reference is enough, don't you? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Even if you dislike the databook references, why are you now adding SBS references next to manga ones? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

That's not what I'm referring to with my last message. It's all the more concerning that you don't realize what you've been doing with your recent edits. Or is it an unwillingness to accept any information that doesn't come from an SBS? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Again, that's not what I'm talking about right now. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Also I need to point at you are at risk of causing an edit war that could get you blocked if you continue to act like this so please cool down before this goes too far. -Adv193 (talk) 17:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

When a number of the same edits tends to go 3 or more on the same page then that is a sign of caution for an edit war is brewing especially if the user continues beyond that. -Adv193 (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That is my reason why I stop and take a different approach to avoid causing trouble for myself. -Adv193 (talk) 18:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

"one reference is not enough."

If you truly believe this, then you should write up a proposal in the Site Changes forum. Because doubling up on every citation is a major overhaul to the wiki that would require more than one or two people's approval. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 05:04, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

You need to stop edit warring or you will be banned again. Take it to a talk page or forum like DN suggeted. 14:14, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've also left a message for DN to stop edit warring. The reason for your ban warning is because you've engaged in edit wars many times. You should be moving discussions to talk or forum pages after 2 rounds of reverts or sooner, like Adv suggested. This will keep discussions more organized and keep you from violating our edit war rules, i.e. being warned or banned less. 14:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Seriously? You were banned for edit warring and you think your best choice is to start edit warring again? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Then learn to accept people correcting your grammatical and factual mistakes. Like your misuse of the word "revealed". Dragonus Nesha (talk) 02:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

At best, that only covers the Doflamingo edit as it was the only one in which Blue Deep reference was switched for an SBS one. The others were unnecessary or incorrect citations; these aren't things that need more than one reference. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Page Splitting
Per the wiki's guidelines, pages are split once they reach 100,000 bytes. Neither Drake's article nor Doflamingo's history had reached that minimum. Please, get permission from an admin before attempting big changes like that. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:20, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

And Walrsu already informed you about the requirement and pointed out that it wouldn't resolve the issue. Dragonus Nesha (talk)

Well, Qref is a template that adds to the counter, so limiting the number of citations in the infoboxes would help. For instance, we could do just one citation per piece of information and avoid doubling/tripling up on references, especially if the information hasn't changed. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'm well aware of what the category means and what causes its inclusion, but it's nothing you can help with. In the meantime, you should take this opportunity to read over the wiki's guidelines. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Your issues with other users
I'm not ruining the page and I'm not going into another edit war with you like last time so this will be my last 'reverted' edit for now, but I will say this again that you need to learn to treat others with respect here (specifically those who have done nothing wrong with their edits). Seriously, most of your encounters with other users, including admins and mods, since you joined are just filled with anger especially from your side, bordering at flat out hostile insults (and I don't just mean the "ruining pages" comments), and from what I seen it hasn't gotten any better.

I also read that you aren't interested in the guidelines of this wiki even after you read them, so when you come across the day you get blocked, or worse banned, from the wiki you should know that while it may not have been because of your edits it definitely was because of your disrespect and overall attitude towards others, and not understanding the point of an editing community.Greatsong1 (talk) 18:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

This is what I mean, this is one of the reasons you have issues here with people around here. For some reason you can't accept the fact that other users besides youself makes edits on certain articles & pages. None of my edits on said articles have been rule-breaking or inappropriate so I don't get why you take offense to it.Greatsong1 (talk) 07:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Inuarashi & Nekomamushi edits
Please refrain from wasting time. If you seriously think that qualifies as messing someone's edits up then its no wonder you have problems around here.Greatsong1 (talk) 09:31, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Once again, no one here has messed anything up. If that was the case then you would have pointed out what specifically was the issue to me by now. And if you still want to accuse me, or anyone else for that matter, for doing something "wrong" with your edits again then take it up with the mods or the admins, you know where they are. Please don't reply back to me if its just gonna be more replies of accusations as you would be just wasting both of our times. Have a nice day.Greatsong1 (talk) 11:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Greatsong added "the" in maybe two spots. It is fine. This wiki doesn't belong to you, and if you give or anyone else attitude again, I'll be starting a ban forum for a longer term ban. You continue to antagonize other users for doing the same thing you do: edit. You aren't perfect, none of us are, and the way you address others comes across as patronizing, even if that isn't your intention. 11:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Re:Forum
Even if you consider it shameful, it happened, and therefore needs to be kept up as an archive for why you were temporarily banned. Walrsu (talk) 01:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, this forum needs to continue to exist because it is something that happened, even if you don't like it. Feeling hurt and ashamed over it is your own decision and does not change the fact that logs need to be kept of what happened and why. If ever your ban needs to be revisited, the forum needs to be present to use as a reference, though I hope that won't happen. Walrsu (talk) 01:26, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

You were banned for ignoring warnings and refusing to follow wiki guidelines. Read through the guidebook, if you don't think you can follow it then it's up to you whether or not you want to continue editing. Walrsu (talk) 01:33, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant to me. I'm not debating whether your ban was justified. I'm informing you that the ban forum will remain up as an archive, and that if you do decide to edit in the future, you'll be held to the same standards as everyone else. Walrsu (talk) 01:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Episode Parameters
If you want to include the episode parameter when you add/fix a citation, that's your choice, but don't make edits like this. Adding empty parameters is not a productive edit, especially when it's the only change you make, as they change nothing regarding the page's appearance or function and only serve to clog the edit log. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I once again direct you to the wiki's guidelines on editing. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Reread the first message. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Changing just the capitalization of Wikipedia links is also an unproductive edit. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Re:Details
I've looked over the SBS page, but as I don't speak Japanese I'd rather not edit direct translations that may have jokes, puns, etc. as I may accidentally remove them. Regarding the forum, I had nothing else to say. Walrsu (talk) 02:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I have, yes. Walrsu (talk) 02:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

By "has their own zodiac sign", do you mean based on their birthdays (like real zodiac signs)? Because if so then it isn't really worth the extra row, since their birthdays are listed anyways. Walrsu (talk) 02:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

That just comes from their birthday though. Anybody who's born May 5th, for example, has the zodiac sign Taurus, not just Luffy. You can find anybody's zodiac sign from their birthday. Walrsu (talk) 02:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I couldn't tell you; maybe so readers wouldn't need to look it up? Unless one of the zodiacs is different from what it should be, I don't think it's particularly important to display, and even then it would belong more as trivia. Walrsu (talk) 03:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

It's basically already there with the birthday row so I don't see any point. Walrsu (talk) 03:10, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

The actual family tree comes from the volume directly, and I translated the text myself using the wiki as a reference (character names and details, etc.). Walrsu (talk) 00:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

To translate the text? If you need an image editor, GIMP is pretty powerful and free so it's good for casual use like this. Walrsu (talk) 01:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

It depends on the context, but something like "Sakazuki is based on real-world actor Bunta Sugawara" uses the dash. You would exclude it in the sentence "In the real world, it would be impossible for Borsalino to move at the speed of light.", for example. Walrsu (talk) 02:40, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

That would use the hyphen, as "real-world" is being used to describe another word ("country"). Basically, if it's an adjective, it should have the hyphen. Walrsu (talk) 02:50, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I'd say it's probably preferable not to just create empty sections, especially if there's not anything to write. They haven't interacted a huge amount so I don't know what would be included in the section; everything we know is pretty much expected of the Titanic Captains. It's already mostly covered here, in the first paragraph. Walrsu (talk) 03:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Why would it need to be mentioned in his trivia? It's in his infobox, so it's not a trivia point. Walrsu (talk) 05:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Why would we need to increase it to 100,000? There's no reason to bloat the page just so it reaches the splitting threshold. Walrsu (talk) 01:08, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

If it reaches 100,000 and it looks like it'll keep increasing, it'll probably be split. Walrsu (talk) 01:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's anything to add. If you can think of something feel free to add it, but there's no reason to try and force it to 100,000. Walrsu (talk) 01:27, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I remember that he revealed them, though I don't remember which SBS it was in. Walrsu (talk) 05:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Sure. I assume they're on the individual character pages too, in the trivia sections. Walrsu (talk) 06:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Walrsu (talk) 01:55, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

It would be nice but somebody would need to ask him unfortunately. Walrsu (talk) 02:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if there's anybody who's in a position/willing to send letters to Japan, unfortunately. Walrsu (talk) 02:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Page 364 has concept art of him, and page 365 has concept art of his Devil Fruit and his crew. Walrsu (talk) 01:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Page 354. It also has concept art of Moria, Perona, Doflamingo, Mihawk, and Kuma. Walrsu (talk) 02:31, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

The name "Saigo" comes from One Piece Magazine Vol.10, pages 42-43. I'm not sure where the mention of him being friends with Zoro is from though, I didn't see it in the magazine. It does mention that he was inspired by Saigo Takamori though. Walrsu (talk) 04:05, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

If her page gets closer to 100,000 bytes then it may make sense to split it. There's no reason to do it now though, and as she doesn't appear very frequently, it's not something we really need to worry about yet. Walrsu (talk) 20:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed reply, I've been out of the house. The image is on page 7 of the magazine; it's part of the Drawing Of Your Dreams series, where Oda draws reader requests. Walrsu (talk) 05:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

It was revealed on page 341, along with Kong, Sengoku, Kuzan, Borsalino, and Sakazuki. Walrsu (talk) 19:45, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

What do you expect me to respond? Walrsu (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't. Walrsu (talk) 15:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Because of conversion, adding half-inches is usually incorrect. For example Buggy's height at 13 was 130cm; that converts to 4'3.18", which shouldn't round to one-half. Rounding is being done anyways, and including a half makes it seem like an exact value when it isn't, so it's preferable to round to the nearest inch. Walrsu (talk) 17:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, all heights should be rounded to the nearest inch. Walrsu (talk) 00:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

If the decimal is smaller than 0.5, it should be the lower inch; otherwise it should be the higher one. For example, 3.4" becomes 3", because 0.4 < 0.5; 3.6" becomes 4", because 0.6 > 0.5; 3.5" becomes 4", because 0.5 = 0.5. That's a quick explanation of it, but if it's still confusing, you can read about it in detail here. Walrsu (talk) 03:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Sure. Walrsu (talk) 03:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I've unprotected the page and removed the height fraction. Walrsu (talk) 05:58, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Created a generic template to create the tabs portion, since they were all using the same format and it allows it to be fully standardized. If you're just looking to change stuff in the infobox, you can ignore it. Walrsu (talk) 06:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Ichiji, Niji, and Yonji are romanized on page 144, and Reiju is romanized on page 145. Walrsu (talk) 06:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

It wasn't romanized in the magazine from what I saw. The only other romanization was Germa 66, on page 146. Walrsu (talk) 07:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Most of it was already there, but I fixed up some of the references. Walrsu (talk) 18:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Page 114 is correct. Walrsu (talk) 05:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

You can add the concept art to their pages if you want to, but I wouldn't say it's absolutely necessary. Walrsu (talk) 18:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I just don't think it's strictly necessary if the important differences can be described with text. If you disagree though you're free to add them. Walrsu (talk) 01:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your previous message. You can update the history sections of characters who appeared if you want to, but I likely won't end up doing it. Walrsu (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

If you're having trouble with them, you can look at the chapter articles and see what episodes adapt them (in the infobox). Walrsu (talk) 02:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

You can try and add the pages then, or just leave it - the episodes not being referenced isn't the end of the world, as long as the chapter references are correct. Walrsu (talk) 03:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

It looks good to me. Walrsu (talk) 04:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I've been working on other things so I hadn't checked here yet. What about the question? Walrsu (talk) 02:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I know which question you're referring to. What about it? Walrsu (talk) 03:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

It could probably be worked into the last line of his trivia section. Something like "While not his favorite food overall, his favorite part when eating fish is the skin." - with a reference to the SBS & page. Walrsu (talk) 03:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I've added it. Walrsu (talk) 03:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Not every single thing needs to be described; that's the point of having images, so users can see directly for themselves.

Also, I'm not constantly checking the wiki; sometimes it may take me longer to respond. Walrsu (talk) 05:24, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

The sixth outfit is already being described, and the seventh doesn't really need to be, since the image is there. Walrsu (talk) 19:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

What about them? Walrsu (talk) 01:36, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Nice. What about it do you want to ask? Walrsu (talk) 04:17, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Oda probably thought they fit their personalities; i.e. they would try and work in jobs they enjoy, which they may also have as hobbies. Walrsu (talk) 04:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what else to say based on what you pointed out. It's interesting that their hobbies line up with their occupations; what do you want me to say about it? Walrsu (talk) 04:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you expect me to do about that. Even if I had the volume digitally, which I don't, my stance on it would be the same as the databooks. Walrsu (talk) 08:44, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

What about him? Walrsu (talk) 04:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay, and what about it?

You can include your final point in a single message; splitting it up like this just makes the discussion takes longer. Walrsu (talk) 06:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Unless he said that fish skin is his favorite food and umeboshi is his least favorite food, you can't assume they are. He may just enjoy fish skin and dislike umeboshi without it being an extreme. Walrsu (talk) 07:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

As I've mentioned before, I'm not constantly checking the wiki. You left that message in the middle of the night in my timezone, so I was no longer looking.

I'm not sure what you want me to say regarding Kaidou if that was just a proposal. We can't list it in his trivia since it's speculative. Walrsu (talk) 06:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

You think that it comes from "Vivi" being readable as "2-2" in Japanese, right? You've mentioned it before.

If you think it's likely, feel free to mention that it may be the origin in her trivia section. Chopper's trivia section mentions that his birthday falls on Christmas, and it's from the same SBS question. Walrsu (talk) 05:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Where you put it is fine. Walrsu (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

His arguments for removing them make sense; as he's explained, having every image clutters the page and borders on substituting the source material, which we don't want to do for legal reasons. You haven't provided any explanation for why every image is necessary other than the vague "spoiling the SBS" - how does not including mundane, irrelevant images "spoil" the SBS? You haven't explained it and haven't responded to any of his points.

Also, you can make new talk sections when bringing up new topics, you don't need to use the same months-old discussion. Walrsu (talk) 03:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you want me to do about it. If he hasn't responded, he probably just hasn't checked his talk page. Walrsu (talk) 23:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't particularly think they need to be uploaded unless there's something specifically noteworthy about them, but as long as you follow the Image Guidelines, nothing is stopping you from doing it. Walrsu (talk) 02:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

If you're asking me to upload them then no; I don't believe they're necessary, so I have no reason to do so. If you're asking something else, then please explain it differently, because I don't understand what you mean. Walrsu (talk) 03:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I know it's there, I own a copy of the magazine and have seen it. I just don't believe it needs to be added to her page if it's not significant in some way. You can disagree of course, and you're free to upload an image of it yourself to add it to her page - I just don't particularly think it's relevant, and therefore don't want to go through the process of uploading it myself. Walrsu (talk) 04:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

If there's nothing specific to mention, you can just point out that it's concept art of the character. If there is something specifically different about the concept art, then point out what the difference is. Walrsu (talk) 04:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Then you can add that, if there's nothing else to mention. If you don't feel like you can add something correctly, nobody's forcing you to do it. Walrsu (talk) 04:36, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the art should be added in the first place if there's no difference - if you can't find any, I don't think it needs to be uploaded.

Don't half-complete something to try and push it onto someone else. If I wanted to add those images, I would have done so already. Walrsu (talk) 04:45, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with trying, but if you're so unsure about whether or not you can do it correctly that you're asking for help from somebody who doesn't even want it to be done in the first place, it may not be worth it to force yourself. Nobody is forcing you to add them except yourself, and you seem to believe that you're incapable of fully doing it. If you believe that you can do it properly then go ahead, but I don't particularly want to add it in the first place. I don't want to dedicate my time to adding something that I don't think should be there.

Also, his message reads more as in "there's nothing wrong with trying [to add it, but it might get removed]". And, you were trying to get me to write it for you before he responded to your message. Walrsu (talk) 05:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

That's exactly what I told you yesterday. Why would my opinion have changed? I don't think there's anything noteworthy either. Walrsu (talk) 02:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Reference Notes
Hey Babaev, please use complete sentences in your reference notes. "Informotation about X revealed" needs to be "Information about X is revealed. 05:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

That is a request I can't grant. As a moderator, if I need/want to discuss something with you, I'll post on your talk page. Otherwise, things can't get addressed. I'm not about to ask other users to talk to you for me if I see a problem or have a question. 12:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey
In general, any problem I am asked about I'll try to help, so tell me what you need. But please stop with those opening messages, and just ask whatever it is you want to ask. There is no need to ask to ask something, especially if you continue an older topic. If it is related to the topic of the SBS images, then you can just continue the same thread regardless of when the topic stopped, and if it is on a different topic, than add a new topic. Rhavkin (talk) 03:05, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

A litte advice
Perhaps you should listen to what other people are telling you instead of fighting back and blaming them. Joekido (talk) 20:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Listen to them and they will listen to you back but with an attitude like that you won't be able to get what you want.

Joekido (talk) 16:58, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Re: Discussion
Whenever I'm assessing disputes on the wiki, I'm always looking for who is being the most dismissive and disruptive to the way the wiki should ideally deal with disputes. When something like the Vol 105 SBS dispute comes about, the correct way to deal with it is to go to the article's talk page and start a discussion so we can figure out together what the correct edit is. Personal disputes don't matter, all parties should be able to work past that and talk to each other for the sake of the wiki.

When instead of having calm discussions, you do things like start a ban forum for someone, or say "I didn't ask you about it because I didn't want to." it is so against the way the wiki should function that I find it offensive. This is a community project, with a community of editors, and I will not tolerate users who want to disrupt that community. Being part of that community means trusting that users are reverting your edits only because the content of the edit is incorrect, and that it has nothing to do with personal disputes. You might feel that way because a few of your edits get reverted, but that's not the case; you make plenty of good edits that nobody's said anything about because they're good edits. It's only the bad edits that people have time to comment on, and it's easy to focus only on those.

So keep in mind whenever I'm warning you about your behavior, it's because I feel like you're discussing things in bad faith, assuming the worst in people, and disrupting the community. 13:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I don’t think you purposefully want edit wars, no. And I do think you want good things for the wiki. But I do think that you often react to reversions of your edits with needless hostility. I think if you put more consideration into your words and actions in those instances, we all would have much better time on the wiki. 15:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

SBS
Same reasons why images were removed from SBS 105:
 * "Terrible" referred to the broken text formatting and long stack of images. Placing images in the bodies of text affects how the text is displayed and can make the answers difficult to read and follow as they force line breaks and shifts in text. Other images weren't properly spaced so they stacked on top of each other, pushing them further away from the corresponding question, which runs counter to the images' purpose.


 * The wiki is for recording information about the series, not recreating the SBS in whole. The latter would be an attempt to create a copy to supplant the original material, which is not allowed under the fair use doctrine of copyright. As such, our use of images has to be limited to those needed for the explanation of the Q&A. For examples, the absence of Luffy's face doesn't affect our understanding of whether or not the newer Straw Hats know about the earlier East Blue adventures, whereas the illustration of Kaidou's puckered face is the entire answer to a question so it is required for understanding. Your repeated counterargument ("SBS Volume 105 should have all the images") supports my assessment that these were a misuse of images.

Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I explained above why your edits were "spoiling" the articles. Take some time to read over it carefully. If you have questions about the particulars, then I will respond to those. Any other messages will be ignored. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

That's the whole point: Don't include all images. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The images are there in the volume to fill space. We don't need to do that; the purpose of the wiki page is to convey the information given. The purpose of the volume is to be interesting/funny/etc. to look at, so they want to avoid pages with only text. Walrsu (talk) 04:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

How does not having unrelated images "spoil" the SBS? If they're not relevant to the question, there's no reason for them to be there. The images not being there won't make it "half empty" - it'll make it just the actual information, which is the point of the wiki. Walrsu (talk) 04:43, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

"The images are there in the volume to fill space. We don't need to do that", mentioned above. Walrsu (talk) 04:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Unless an image is directly related to a question, yes (using Dragonus Nesha's example, Kaidou's puckered face is directly related, so it should be present.) Walrsu (talk) 05:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

You're free to disagree with it, but you still haven't argued against any of the points Dragonus Nesha made. I've already pointed out that the volume uses images to fill space, which we don't need to do; why do you believe we should do the same? You just keep repeating that it "spoils" the SBS without defining what you mean, despite the fact we've both pointed out that they're not relevant to the text.

Explain your point or stop needlessly arguing. Repeating the same thing over and over again isn't going to convince anyone. Walrsu (talk) 05:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

How does a picture that has nothing to do with the text help in someone's understanding? You haven't explained it while claiming you have. You just keep repeating that not having every image will "spoil" the SBS page, and that we should have the images because the volume does. Those aren't arguments, they're opinions. Walrsu (talk) 05:40, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

As DN and I have mentioned multiple times, having too many images clutters the page and borders on replacing the source material, which is not allowed as fair use. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the arguments? While I assume you're arguing in good faith, it feels like you're intentionally going in circles because you don't have a response. Walrsu (talk) 06:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure. Walrsu (talk) 01:59, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Saying the page is cluttered is an opinion, yes, but the fact that overflowing it with images borders on replacing the source material is objectively the case. We are not aiming to replace the SBS, as that wouldn't fall under fair use. The purpose of the SBS pages, objectively, is to provide a way to find the information included in them. Therefore, images directly related to understanding the text should be included; any other ones shouldn't be. Compare it to articles on chapters: we don't include images of every page, as that would be replacing the source material.

A difference you've conveniently left out, as well, is that we have explained our opinions and why we believe them. You still have not explained how not including every image "spoils" the SBS, and only repeat the same phrase over and over again. Repeating something doesn't make it correct, and won't convince anyone. It just makes it frustrating to discuss and causes you to appear like you're being difficult on purpose. Walrsu (talk) 02:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

That doesn't explain anything, you're just going in circles. "It spoils it because the images aren't there, therefore it's spoiled" doesn't mean anything. How is it spoiled? What is being spoiled? The point of the articles is to allow for the understanding of what was said. We've argued that irrelevant images being there doesn't reduce understanding, and therefore (along with the fair use argument) they shouldn't be included. You haven't said anything that argues against that.

Quoting DN, "For examples, the absence of Luffy's face doesn't affect our understanding of whether or not the newer Straw Hats know about the earlier East Blue adventures, whereas the illustration of Kaidou's puckered face is the entire answer to a question so it is required for understanding." How would you argue against this? Would you say that seeing Luffy's face is required to understand the question? If that's the case, I'd love to know why you believe that, because it seems to me like a completely unrelated image.

As it stands, you're refusing to genuinely debate points made, and repeatedly being passive aggressive towards DN in your messages. You insulted him again in your latest message, when he's been nothing but respectful towards you. If you continue to ignore the points made, and continue to go in circles repeating the same things that have already been argued against, I don't see any reason to continue responding. If you truly cannot accept the reasoning behind the decision, then feel free to assume it's an absolute rule that can't be argued, and just begin following it. Walrsu (talk) 03:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Just as we stated in the recent forum, and above by TWO of our content moderators, SBS articles are not allowed to have all the images from them because it's a copyright violation issue. It's a policy we cannot change. If you make any more edits in the future that do not agree with this policy, I will ban you. There's no room for argument here.

And being rude to our mods for explaining this policy to you will also not be tolerated. 02:44, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

This is far beyond wiki policy, it's a legal issue. If we post the entirety of the SBS, we are violating the copyright of One Piece's publishers. It's basically the same reason why we can't post entire pages, episodes, etc. It's not "corrupting the SBS" as you call it, if you want a complete SBS, the only legally acceptable platform for it to be hosted on is by its publishers. We cannot host here under any circumstances. If you are going to make edits that put us in legal jeopardy with our content, then yes, I will remove you from the platform. It does not seem like there's any other option for you to understand just how wrong you are on this issue. 03:03, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

It's international copyright law. I can't tell you who you'd have to talk to to get international copyright laws changed. I can only tell you that you won't change it by talking to anyone here. 03:27, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. And I do not want to discuss it any further if you understand that it will not change through discussion here. 04:03, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Just drop the issue and move on to other edits. And please have more trust in the leadership of the wiki when we tell you something is against our policies. 11:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

What do you need help with? Please just say it right away, I don’t have much time to go back and forth on things here. 15:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I don’t always get to check the wiki every day, so I hope that explains my late response. I haven’t seen these images in question, I don’t know how to find that kind of stuff myself. But if the concept art isn’t already represented on the respective pages, you certainly could add it. I can’t 100% guarantee that all of it will stay without seeing it first, but there’s nothing wrong with trying. Just understand that you have to follow the image guidelines, and you’ll have to work together with the community on it. Just because it’s your idea to add it, it doesn’t make it your content to own and “protect”, everyone is still welcome to edit or remove it, and disputes should be resolved peacefully, without personal attacks. 03:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Re:Early Concepts
No, I don't think you should be uploading images, including the concept art, if you don't understand or appreciate the Fairuse documentation. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I provided a link to it in the above post. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

So then which is the lie: That you don't know what documentation I'm talking about or that you already looked at it? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

No, your blatant disregard for copyright eclipses any other topic you might have. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I do listen; that's how I've caught you in lies before. It's also rather egotistical to frame your "wants" as "needs". Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

They are just sketches of characters; it's a basic first step before finalizing the drawings. Oda does them for every character and chapter, but we don't upload all of them because that would serve no purpose and would overcrowd pages with images. Unless you can articulate specific, note-worthy differences that the images are meant to display, then they don't need to be uploaded. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Removal was "how to formulate [it] correctly" because, as I pointed out, they aren't different designs. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Why do you assume there is a way to "formulate it correctly" even though you don't know what specifically you are trying to illustrate with it? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I can't help you since I don't see any differences in design and you won't list any either. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)