Talk:Haki/Kenbunshoku Haki

Kenbunshoku Haki & Users
There have been a few instances of people using Kenbunshoku Haki but they aren't listed on the wiki. It seems users of this ability are able to discern opponents' strengths. First we must go back to when Rayleigh gauged the strength of the animals on Rusukaina island.

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c597/10

It is also described as the ability to feel ones presence more strongly.

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c597/11

Blackbeard was the first to confrim this in two instances, where he guaged Luffy's Haki. So how could he not have Haki himself?

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c234/16

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c544/9

Bellamy's recent showings also confirm this. So why is he not listed as having Kenbunshoku Haki? Him going to Skypia also gives further evidence to this, where there are prevalent Mantra users.

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c710/3

and also showed he precognitive ability when he detected Elizabello's king Punch.

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c709/13

Smoker gauged Tashigi's Haki and compared it with Law.

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c661/19

Dolfamingo has also shown use of this ability when he sensed Fujitora would intervine when Zoro was about to attack.

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c730/5

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c730/6

And finally an instance where Zoro used Kenbunshoku Haki was when he sensed Vergo's presence quoting he felt a strange aura.

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c680/19

88movement (talk) 07:48, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

First off, mangareader doesn't work for the USA, so good luck getting people to find the pages themselves.

Blackbeard, yes.

Bellamy, no. Anyone who knew what Haki is could tell Luffy used it, and that was not precognition,

Tashigi, no. She's been shown to have Busoshoku, but not Kenbunshoku.

Doflamingo, maybe. It's unclear from just that example.

And Zoro is already listed as a user, so why bring him up again?

08:58, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

First example for Blackbeard is a bad translation. Second example could have meant anything. SeaTerror (talk) 09:09, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

I've changed all the links.

I didn't say Tashigi has Kenbunshoku, I said Smoker has it. Although you could argue a case for Tashigi having it when she deflected a cannonball without using her eyesight. Which can be seen here:

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c652/14

http://mangapark.com/manga/one-piece/s3/c652/15

Bellamy hadn't seen Luffy use Haki prior, so you're point makes no sense. Him also going to Skypia is good evidence to him knowing how to use it.

Fair play on Doflamingo and Zoro.

88movement (talk) 14:22, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Not taking a side here, but what's the translation issue with Blackbeard? He specifically refers to Luffy's haki in the Chapter 234 raw - it's the first mention of haki in the series. 18:15, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

That statement could just as easily be a comment about the kind of appearance he gives off. 18:44, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Then let's just ask Klobis to check. If it is the same word, then it is not going to be coincidence.

21:09, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

The word haki was used? SeaTerror (talk) 22:24, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

In the translation linked above, the word chi is used, but that'll be because haki wasn't a thing then.

22:53, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

It's already mentioned and referenced on the Haki page, but here's the pic. Furigana read haki, kanji are the same as on the Haki page. 01:43, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

So can we agree that this is Blackbeard using Kenbunshoku Haki, or do we have to drag it out with a stupid poll?

09:28, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

I thought you were waiting for Klobis. SeaTerror (talk) 10:24, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Zodiaque checked it.

10:59, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Zodiaque is Klobis? SeaTerror (talk) 22:35, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Stop being obtuse. Zodiaque checked the raw, and it is the same. Now can we come to an agreement?

22:44, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Bump.

12:23, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Fujitora should be here.

Marco 1907 (talk) 19:04, January 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Show me an example of him using Kenbunshoku Haki and we'll add it. 02:12, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

If Zodiaque confirmed that Blackbeard has Haki, then we should add him to the users. 02:12, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Bump. 22:53, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Eh, no one are objecting so I went ahead and added him. 21:17, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, good job. Regarding the other characters, I think Bellamy and Smoker should also be added. Like BB, they've demonstrated the ability to gauge other people's Haki. Fujitora pretty much has to have CoO, and he has remarked about being able to sense the weather, so I think there's enough evidence to include him as well. Doflamingo and Tashigi aren't clear enough, though. 21:34, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

some other topic
"Bellamy doesn't have Haki"

As I said people with Haki are able to discern it.

88movement (talk) 10:07, December 13, 2014 (UTC)