Talk:Doku Doku no Mi

Are we absolutely sure this is Paramecia? It shows some properties of Logia. 144.59.12.230 22:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The Hydra scene only shows Magellan producing poison and being covered in it, not becoming it. From it, it seems to be like a Devil Fruit like Mr. 3's and Kalifa's. The only definite way for it to be a Logia, is for either Magellan to turn into poison to dodge an attack or it to be stated. Till such situations, it's a paramecia.Mugiwara Franky 23:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have a pretty good feeling that this fruit is a Logia. I just read chapter 533...and Magellan WAS poison. He transformed into it. Poison can be some sort of element...right? That's what i think. When i read it was a paramecia here it confused me because to me it seems like a logia...well i'm just saying what I think.


 * Its better safe then sorry, anything we're not sure on that isn't an animal transformation is better off being classified as "Paramecia" until prven otherwise. Even at Arlong PArk Forums, they argue over this. One-Winged Hawk 11:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that it is Paramecia, because Magellan controls poison in both gas form (his breath) and liquid form (Hydra technique). I don't recall any other Logia fruits can manipulate two different phases of an element. Yatanogarasu 18:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If he was posion element, he'd control posion regardless. Logia's can't control their substance when its in another state: Our ice admiral can't control water, just ice.  That is what that exact word is saying.  Though you are right in some sense, this would be the first time a logia had more then one state to it.  An argument is, well, look at Mr.3, he only produces it yet has worked out how to make statues and other things out of his abilities.  The ultimate trait of any Logia though; transforming into that element as well as using it, which even Blackbeard can do. One-Winged Hawk 09:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Latest chapter (Ch. 534) is the final nail on the board that shows the fruit is a Paramecia and not a Logia. Apart from Luffy hitting Magellan and the warden receiving damage, Magellan used a very un-logia-like way to travel from one place to another. If Magellan was a Logia, he would've changed into poison and traveled to Luffy in that state instead of using his hydra via Venom Road.Mugiwara Franky 06:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Luffy hitting Magellan proves nothing in terms of what type of fruit user Magellan is do to the force of Luffy's will (his haki) allowing him to make contact with a logia type user's body (i.e. Silvers' fight against Kizaru). The only evidence in chapter 534 is the poison road thing that Magellan does. But even that is iffy as it could just be his particular way of using his devil's fruit. No absolutes should be stated until it's proven conclusively that he is or isn't a logia type. Pro Logia: He is stated as BEING poison not just CREATING it. Pro Paramecia: He traveled USING poison rather then AS poison. At this point neither side is the clear choice.


 * That's going a bit too far on the whole Logia thing as Luffy isn't a Haki master like Rayleigh.Mugiwara Franky 00:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter you silly goose LOL All that means is that he can't control his Haki at will HOWEVER given the seriousness of the situation and his desperation to save Ace it is MORE THAN POSSIBLE that he subconsciously used his Haki as he had on the other 2 previous occasions in which his power became evident =P


 * That's still going too far. Just because Luffy used Haki those times doesn't mean he used it with Magellan. Sure the seriousness of the situation might call for Haki, however it doesn't call for a speculative explanation of how Luffy was able to hit Magellan. Stating that Luffy hit Magellan with Haki in order to uphold the idea that Magellan is a Logia user is very speculative especially since there isn't any evidence at all to prove that Luffy used Haki that time.Mugiwara Franky 05:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

@Mugiwara Franky - read the whole message moron. I never claimed that it WAS a logia type, just that you couldn't rule out the possibility that it could be. You should probably stop writing because you're making yourself seem like an idiot. The previous message clearly states that IF the poison fruit IS a logia type then Luffy COULD have used haki in order to hit him. I also said that as NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE can be found in proving one way or the other, NO ABSOLUTE ANSWER can be given at this time. And just to clear this up for you: THIS ENTIRE TOPIC IS ONE OF SPECULATION. THEREFOR, ANYTHING WRITTEN IN THIS DISCUSSION IS A SPECULATIVE THOUGHT.