Forum:Rgilbert27

Given multiple recent warnings for his counterproductive habit of adding Confirm Templates to pages instead of references and his rude behavior toward other users, I propose banning Rgilbert27.

With examples ranging back to as early as January 2019 to as recent as today, Rgilber27 has a bad habit of adding Confirm templates without finding references for himself. He has gotten much better over the years with this, but the fact that the problem is still recurring requires some reprimand. It is difficult for editors like me, who want to reference pages properly, to have our work interrupted by Rgilbert27 adding more of these templates to pages we are trying to fix. I find it counterproductive, and the template was supposed to be used for information we could not validate with available sources. The manga and anime are easily accessible through a Viz subscription or watching free episodes on Funimation, meaning that it works better to use the No References template until adding the references yourself. Instead of using these official sources, Rgilbert27 will refer to other wiki pages, which may not have been updated properly, when adding these templates.

We banned SeaTerror for being difficult to work with in the past, and Rgilbert27's circumstance is very similar, in my opinion. Multiple times over the years, Rgilbert27 has been unnecessarily rude to Rhavkin despite her efforts to help him. When you add his unwillingness to listen to me, a Content Moderator, and Kaido King of the Beasts, an Administrator, about using Confirm templates, it is clear that Rgilbert27 will not listen to wiki staff or reform his behavior without some consequences.

Because Rgilbert27 was banned in the past for other reasons, I think the ban should be at least longer than a week, the length of his previous ban. 16:07, May 5, 2020 (UTC)

Discussion
I agree. While Rgilbert has made a lot of edits to help the wiki, he also possesses many editing habits and behaviors that have been disruptive. One particular issue, which the Confirm template disputes have been a symptom of, is his tendency to flag pages to work on but rarely put in the effort to actually work on those pages. When other editors call him out on this behavior, he has frequently responded by blaming them for not doing the work, with stuff like this edit summary being a prominent example. And while adding the Confirm template is not in itself bad, Rgilbert has frequently abused it by spamming it on overall unreferenced pages (rather than add the No References template at the top), has added it in appearance sections when people can see the character's appearance in their infobox, and overall has appeared to be concerned with referencing every statement on a page moreso than trying to verify information whose validity is uncertain. Additional unproductive edits Rgilbert has done for the sole purpose of getting other users to add information is wrapping terms in Nihongo templates without adding the Japanese or romaji, and adding the Page parameter to manga references without actually adding the pages.

This tendency of shirking away from actually adding content and trying to get other users to do it has also been seen in his undertaking of large-scale projects. These include adding disputed collapsible sections to Luffy's history page and breaking it, and making incomplete pages like A-ra-shi: Reborn without taking the time to do enough research to make it complete (and in discussions about the matter - which usually result after these large-scale changes have been disputed, rather than being created to propose these changes - he again resorts to putting the onus on others to work on it).

Disputes over Rgilbert's edits have frequently led to edit wars, which Rgilbert generally handles poorly. If someone undoes his edit, he will usually undo it back without providing any reason in the edit summary, or providing confrontational comments like the one linked above. Again, Rgilbert makes many good edits, but I do not consider the quality of his edits to make the disruptions that his attitude and editing style create among the editing community worthwhile. He has been warned about all of these behaviors in the past and banned for periods of three days, one week, and two weeks, and for the most part his behavior has not changed. Thus, I support a ban for around a month. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:42, May 5, 2020 (UTC)

The confirm template is both for adding it for references that need to be added and for if something needs a source like a claim that seems speculative. What he is doing is how the template is supposed to be used for. It was like that from day one since Sff9 resurrected the template from the dead. SeaTerror (talk) 18:56, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

Look, when an entry is made it should not go long without reference/s and when it comes to the No References template, you would get shoot down just as quick. I don't know Japanese or romaji. I just eyeball what's there and find sites that seem on the level, romaji can't be found on Google Translate. While adding "Page parameters" is one thing, adding "Episode parameters" to a manga reference that has not been animated yet, which wont be out for who knows how many weeks, is another. While dealing with the 100k bytes issue, that has been ongoing, by using collapsible sections or other solutions that were being used elsewhere on this wikia and I support the fandom no matter where it comes from. I've been raised by someone who would not shy away from using cuss words in a discussion or being called a bitch which is why I refrain from such abrasive terms in messages. If there's still gonna be a block, please let me continue to work on my draft page. There are still key topics that don't have pages yet and I would like to do more research before putting up anything. For now I like to cover my bases before the time comes. Rgilbert27 (talk) 19:04, May 6, 2020 (UTC)