Category talk:Vegapunk's Creations Images

Misnamed/Missorted/Unneeded
This category seems to be misnamed or not set up correctly. Vegapunk's Creations include Dragon Number Thirteen, Pacifista, and the Seraphim, most of which aren't listed in this category, not to mention things without their own pages like the New Model Livestream Den Den Mushi. But adding the relevant images to the category means that it would no longer belong in Object Images, since most of those aren't objects.

Already, images of the Seraphim in the category, such as File:Boa Hancock Seraph.png and File:S-Shark's Swimming Ability.png shouldn't be in Object Images. The category should probably be renamed and recategorized (including re-adding Object Images to most of the images in it) or deleted altogether. Walrsu (talk) 04:50, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

There really isn't a need for a renaming or a resorting if deleting is on the table. so let's address each option separately.
 * 1) Deletion - Is this category follows the category guidelines? Yes. Is this category provide a distinction of unique items with a common trait? Yes. Is this category needed? I believe so.
 * 2) Sorting - Obviously if you add living being like the ones you mentioned it shouldn't be under object images, and the reason weapon images isn't under objects is the living weapons and inanimate zoan users, so if you are so keen on adding the living creations, the category will move to the main images by content category. Also, files in the weapons images mostly do not appear in the object images category, FYI.
 * 3) Nameing - I think the name match the items in the category.

Now as for your other point, are all the images of Vegapunk's creation on this category? No. Should they? I think answering this question should be after we know where this category will be sorted. Rhavkin (talk) 05:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Mentioning that images are missing was more to show that the category hadn't been fully implemented when it was made; if a new category is made, the relevant information should be added at or near creation time, at least in my opinion.

In terms of sorting, I think "if you add living beings" doesn't really make sense as an argument; for the category name to be accurate, they would NEED to be included. Unless the category is renamed, it should currently include images of anything that Vegapunk created, which includes living things and weapons. I'm aware that images of weapons don't appear in the Object Images category; that was part of why I think it should be recategorized as a whole. Even now, with the two Seraphim images I mentioned above, it shouldn't be in Object Images, since neither of the images depict objects (depicting a character and Devil Fruit usage respectively). Per the Category Guidelines, it already doesn't fit as a child category, and that will only be exacerbated when more images are added as needed.

To fit the guidelines, it seems like either the category needs to be renamed to include only objects, or it needs to be recategorized under Category:One Piece World Images and the images in the category need to be re-added to the appropriate categories (Category:Object Images, Category:Character Images, Category:Weapon Images, etc.) Walrsu (talk) 05:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

How about this compromise, which if accepted, might even be applicable to the weapon category, and maybe more. Here it is:
 * 1) Move all images currently in this category to a new category called "Vegapunk's Inanimate Creations Images"
 * 2) Have that new category in this category and the object images category.
 * 3) Move this category to One Piece World Images
 * 4) Add all creation who isn't inanimate objects to either the parent creation category or create a Vegapunk's Living Creations Images category in the creation parent creation category and character images category.

Afterwards we can maybe create a parent creation category and have this, weapons, object, literature and vehicle categories. Rhavkin (talk) 15:26, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

At that point it feels like having subcategories just to have them. I still think simply moving Vegapunk's Creations Images to under One Piece World Images, then sorting the images inside to "XX Images" depending on their content, is the least complicated way to sort them. Vegapunk's Creations are just too varied to be sorted into any of the existing "XX Images" categories, and from a perspective of his creations, there isn't a large enough distinction between objects, weapons, characters, etc. that he's created for them to be separated. Walrsu (talk) 17:43, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

The point of most if not all categories is to make navigation and search easier, so if someone wants to search images of Vegapunk's creations, this is not just for the sake of creating categories. Also, before this category, several creations were not in the object images, but solely in the weapon images, and putting those image back in simply object will almost double the amount of files in the object category, so we have enough reason to split the category, and Vegapunk creations is the only group with a common trait. The sub category idea was to appease your suggestion of including non object creation. If you do not have a better idea other then simply not having a category, let's wait for other users opinion. Rhavkin (talk) 19:35, 15 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Creating individual categories for weapons created by Vegapunk, characters created by Vegapunk, inanimate objects created by Vegapunk, etc. would be creating categories just to do it, not the category as it is now.
 * Creations in the weapons category aren't supposed to be in the object category, adding them to a subcategory doesn't change that, it just tries to bypass it. The Objects Images category explicitly mentions that weapons aren't included.
 * As I suggested above, either:
 * Vegapunk's Creations Images should be moved into One Piece World Images and its contents should be re-sorted into Objects/Weapons/Characters/etc., or the category shouldn't exist at all. Basically, it should exist as an extra category alongside Objects/Weapons/Characters/etc., rather than a subcategory in them; or
 * Vegapunk's Creations Images should be deleted altogether, and it should be re-sorted as it was previously, with each image just being in the Objects/Weapons/Characters/etc. category

No matter how it's organized, it doesn't change the fact that things in Vegapunk's Creations are too varied to all be in the same category with the current layout, and putting them into a subcategory doesn't change that. Walrsu (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2023 (UTC)