Talk:Wano Country Saga

New arc name
Alrighty then now with chapter 830 that came out, and apparently Oda didn't like the idea of having a long island to island hopping arc (aka Totland Arc), they arrived at Whole Cake Island so would this mean the end of the Totland arc and continue the story with the 'Whole Cake Island Arc' next chapter or leave it as be for another chapter or two?

PS, if it is true that would be another quick arc and the first in the new world and 4th (5th?) shortest arc in the series, so far. Dragonquiz (talk) 15:36, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Nah, it's the same arc. If they spend the remainder of their time on Whole Cake, it could logically go back to Whole Cake Island Arc. It's not like we had an Undersea Arc before the Straw Hats got to Fishman Island. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 15:55, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Exactly. Whole Cake Island is a part of Totland, and if we stay on Whole Cake for, oh, 30-40 chapters without changing, then I'd like to rename it to Whole Cake Island Arc. Of course, wiki isn't an exact science. 19:08, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

New Information
Considering the newly announced Marine Supernova Arc starting episode 780, shouldn't episodes 777-779 be included in the previous Zou Arc, including their corresponding chapters 823-824? Rhavkin (talk) 17:16, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why that's necessary - in terms of canon story, 823 and 824 fit better in the Totto Land arc because the focus is on the Sanji retrieval team on their way to Totto Land. Not to mention that Luffy's "Random Curry" appears in Episode 779, which directly leads into the crew meeting the Vinsmokes.

Fillers have interrupted arcs before, so it's not that big of a deal. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:38, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Actually the only interrupting arc is the Little East Blue Arc, and that was a movie set up arc. The other interruptions ware a episode or two.

It's not "a big deal", but those chapters ware already potentially part of the Zou Arc instead of the Totto Land Arc.

And just for the record (please don't let the discussion slip its focus) the random curry leads to the food supply emptying, which leads to fishing a poisonous fish that leads to the Vinsmokes encounter. Not to mention that Nami's bee sting in Little Garden leads to the Drum Island Arc so there is nothing wrong with molti-arcs leads. Rhavkin (talk) 17:51, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

OK, at this point I'm willing to agree to move everything up to the start of the filler arc to the Zou Arc (chaps. 823-824 manga, eps. 777-779 anime) because it's clear what Toei considers the arcs to be and it's a pain in the butt to work around that. As much as I still believe the content in question fits more with Totto Land than Zou, it's not too much of a stretch to consider it part of the Zou arc (namely the scenes with Bariete, Jack's survival, and Kaido's tantrums). Toei's products may not be considered canon most of the time but there wouldn't be any harm in going along with their idea of arc splits this time around. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 23:46, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

Done, except for the categories and template which I don't know how to fix. Rhavkin (talk) 09:03, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Split into two Sagas
While Oda has yet to give official names for the post-New World Sagas, it strikes me as strange that this single "saga" is comprised of two massive arcs in addition to smaller arcs, totaling currently 183 chapters and counting.

If you look at the other sagas, for the first half of the story they are split into 100, 117, 85, 139, 48 and 108 chapters, respectively. The unofficially-titled Fish-Man Island and Dressrosa Sagas meanwhile are 56 and 148 chapters apiece. Overall, ranging from 56 to 148 chapters, but averaging at around 100 or so.

Meanwhile, the current saga is 183 chapters, and the Wano Country Arc shows no hints of stopping anytime soon. Having this all be one thing made sense when it was thought that Whole Cake Island would be a quick pit stop before Wano, but it ended up being one of the longer arcs, meaning smooshing it in with Wano seems odd.

I would recommend splitting this current saga into two: the Whole Cake Island (or Big Mom) Saga and the Wano Country Saga. Obviously if Oda provides a more official categorization then we'll do it as such, but in the meantime, splitting this in two seems to be much more logical. The Pope 02:44, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

You're messing around with the terms "saga" and "arc", for those events there are is already the "Whole Cake Island Arc" and the "Wano Country Arc", which along the Levely Arc and the Zou Arc form the Yonko Saga. Cracker-Kun (talk) 02:47, July 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm aware of the distinction. The Thriller Bark Saga consists of the Thriller Bark Arc, and that's all. Oda is weird when it comes to this kind of thing.
 * So in this circumstance, the "Whole Cake Island Saga" would consist of Zou and Whole Cake Island, while the "Wano Country Saga" would consist of Levely and Wano. The Pope 02:52, July 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * Anyway, now I'm being told that the name is official because it showed up on a Shonen Jump cover? Did the editors write that, or did Oda himself do it? And in either case, yes, a reference is absolutely necessary, because without references, how is anybody supposed to actually catch that? The Pope 02:53, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

I'm thinking you're not really understanding what the purpose of sagas are. Each saga tells a cohesive overarching story where all of its arcs contribute to that story. For example, the arcs in the Alabasta Saga are all centered around the Straw Hats' time with Vivi and their mission to save Alabasta from Crocodile. Once that storyline concluded, the saga did as well. Same deal with this saga: Zou, Whole Cake, and Wano together make a cohesive story about a pirate alliance taking on two of the Yonko. Zou set up much of Wano's plot so it would make no sense to put them in separate sagas. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 03:49, July 9, 2020 (UTC)