Template talk:Revolutionary Army Gallery

Robin
Ok let me make this clear, the reason why Robin is there is because she is staying with them for 2 years and she might have to help the Revolutionaries for whatever reasons they need her. However she is not an offical Revolutinary and she did not really join so she is their guest which is why she there. I wanted to put Robin on the temp/guest however as I was creating it, the wikia won't show that so I had to flat out smack her name with the rest of the army.

Joekido 08:14, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sabo should be under the commander box not leader box
A chief of staff isn't a leader he second in command so why is sabo next to dragon in leaders box he should be moved to the commander section or have his own box Facts over opinions 02:01, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Sabo is next to Dragon in the gallery because within the organization, Sabo is next to Dragon. He doesn't belong with the Commanders because he's not a commander of one of the army divisions. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 05:07, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

sabo is not leader in orginaztion he is second in command he shouldnt be up there with leader he should be in box with commanders or have his own section. trebol isnt next to Doflamingo and he has the same rank as saboFacts over opinions 05:19, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Sabo and Trebol are in different types of organizations and have different titles; the comparison doesn't work. Sabo is a leader as second in command, and his role is above and different from the Commanders. Next to Dragon is a better reflection of his position within the organization. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 05:33, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

wrong person i meant to say cabjia and buggy for comparison my bad but it doesnt matter differnt orginzation or not the defination of a chief of staff doesnt change sabo is second in command yes but he should not be next to the leader he should eithwr have his own section or be with the commandersFacts over opinions 14:28, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
 * Chief of Staff is a coordinator of supporting staff or personal assistant to the leader of an organization. In essence, they serve as the second-in-command, acting as a buffer between the leader and the members of the organizati

Is Sabo ever said to be a commander of one of the army divisions? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:02, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

has hhe ever been said to be the leader or co leader of the army?Facts over opinions 18:10, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, he is repeatedly referred to as the No.2 of the organization which would make him one of the leaders above the commanders. As well, Sabo's page explains why your comparison to Cabaji doesn't work. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:47, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

ok1 The fact that he is called number 2 and dragon is called supreme leader is all the proof that should be needed he is not on the same level as dragon if he had smae amount of power he would be called dragons equal not his number 2 sabo is second in command not a leader. 2 Quick question before u decided to use this as your evidence did u read it first? 3 do me a favor look this up Chief of the General Staff and see what this rank actually means in real worldFacts over opinions 21:16, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Um, you were the one who claimed that two different titles were the same and quoted the definition for the wrong title, but it is nice to see that you are finally acknowledging that Sabo has a leadership position. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 02:14, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

....ok 1 actually they lirteally do mean same thing except by japense military and british military etc give this postions more power or more respect then usa based military sabo is part of a military he will have more respect then cabji who is a lowley pirate who u think gets more respect. 2 ok u do know a commander is a leadership postion right? 3ok i dont know if this is a typo or if you havent been reading my post actually but no one ever said he didnt have leadership postion but he is not leader in army he is a second in command not leader or equal to dragon who is supreme commanderFacts over opinions 02:41, September 27, 2019 (UTC)05:32, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, you're messages are getting more garbled now. Let's make it simple: do you think Sabo is a commander of one of the army divisions? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 04:30, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

dude i am trying be nice here but i really starting to question your intellingence or if u have any understanding of how military postion work so i am try make this simple as i can sabo does not have the same postion of power as dragon he is second in commmand do u understand the differnceFacts over opinionsFacts over opinions 05:31, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

Do you agree that a second in command is above the five commanders? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 05:22, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

omg a admiral is second in command of the marines but should Issho,Borsalino and Ryokugyu be placed in under fleet admiral with Sakazuki nooooooooooFacts over opinions 05:31, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

No one is claiming that Sabo is on the same level as Dragon. Sabo is clearly under Dragon. However, by definition, a second in command, and even commanders, can be considered "Leaders." The comparison to admiral in the marines placed under fleet admiral with Sakazuki is a false comparison. If the section title where Dragon is had said "Supreme Commander," then obviously we wouldn't put Sabo under there, since he isn't a Supreme Commander. However, that section says "Leaders". Much like how a President and Vice President are both still leaders of a country.--Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:36, September 27, 2019 (UTC) (Edit: Originally it said "Leaders," now it says "Supreme Commander" because it was recently changed.)--Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:39, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

dragon title lirteally is Supreme Commander( same way kaido is general of beast pirates and not labled captian ) a second and command and a commander is differnet from a supreme leader yes a commander has a leader ship role for there army and any one lower then them and yes some one labeled second in command holds power over them and all lower but none are equal the leader of the whole orginaztion the same for marines there is a clear ranking system (not counting the cc) from leader to third command there the fleet admiral the regular admirals and the vice admirals clealry establsihing the order of power. sabo beimg next to dragon under that sections implys he equal to dragon that his orders are just as equal as dragon which they are not placeing sabo there is basically like saying a four star general is equal to president of united states05:49, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

also no the president is leader of a country the vice is second in commandFacts over opinions 05:58, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

sabo now has his own section called chief of staff those that settle the problem for everyoneFacts over opinions 07:07, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

I don't think you understand the general meaning of "leader." Anyone in a leadership position is still a leader. Also, if you split Dragon and Sabo into too different sections, it just creates a bunch of empty spaces which makes the template look weird.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 23:35, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

That is not how leader ship works if one guy Supreme Commander and the other one is called no 2 that should tell who the leader is i can not belive i have to explain this still the fbi director and assiant ditector are not same postions a president and a vice preaident are not same postion either thwre is a leader and a second in command a second in command isnt equal to a leader same way a commander a admiral isnt equal to a fleet admiral. and it doesnt make template look weird before we learned who knew admirals were and who were the others members of yonko three sweet commanders and all stars thwre sections looked exatcly the same00:38, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

Leader is not a title. The leader of an army is a leader, the leader of a troop in an army is a leader, a leader of a platoon is a leader -> leader is a general term. Again "Leader" is not a specific title in this situation. You cannot use "admiral isn't equal to a fleet admiral," as a counterargument because that does not compare. We all know an admiral isn't a fleet admiral. But an admiral is still a "leader." But no one is going to put the three admirals with the fleet admiral and change the section to "Leaders". Also, please use punctuation in your posts; they are getting way too jumbled.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 01:10, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

what are u talking about leader is a title it is a genric term use use for all postions of power captian supreme commander fleet admireal etc all titles fall under generic term name but how it is said is what matter there is a differnt meaning berween calling some the leader( meaning only one ) and a leader( meaning possibly more ). the comparison of a admiral and a fleet admiral can be made because it seems no one has hard time understanding that admiral and fleet admiral are differnt ranks but for some odd reason the fact that dragon is lirteally called supreme commander and sabo titles are no 2 or chief of staff seems to go over people heads and place them in the same catergory which they are not01:24, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

You said it yourself, "admiral and fleet admiral are different ranks." "Leader" is not a rank, let alone the plurality of "Leaders." Neither Dragon nor Sabo have the title of "Leader" and no one is claiming that their rank is the same. The original gallery used the word "Leaders," not "Supreme Commander." A Chief of Staff is in a LEADERship position. A second in command is a Vice-LEADER. As such, it would still fall under "Leaders." Again, NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE, is saying that Dragon and Sabo have the same rank or have the same power within the Revolutionary Army.--Nightmare Pirates (talk) 01:54, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

leader is a rank what are u talking about it lirteally a title before the date book revelaed dragons actual title in the army he was called just the leader of the Revolutionary Army that was lirteally his title just leader you are lirteally saying it your self A Chief of Staff is in a leadership POSITION the same way a commander is but guess what the five commanders of the revolutionary army are not equal to sabo or dragon thats why they under box of commanders and were never under leaders. A vice leader is second in command they have leader ship role but vyess what there not THE LEADER thats why there called vice.placeing sabo under section as dragon is baseically like placeing benn beckman under captian sections with shanks it implys they are equals that there both have equal amount of power and control over the army but they are not there one leader.03:46, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
 * the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country.

It does not imply they are equals because the section title did not say "The Leader", it said "Leaders" plural. Since you don't like the President, Vice President explanation, let me refer you to another part of government: the Party Leaders of the U.S. Senate. There are four leaders, the Majority Leader, the Majority Whip, Minority Leader and Minority Whip. All four are referred to as the Senate Majority and Minority Leaders, but they are not equal in rank (the Majority Leader ranks above the other three). Even those that do not have LEADER in their title (Majority Whip, Minority Whip) are called leaders. Now, do not say that they are not leaders or they are not really leaders, the government calls them "Leaders." If you have a problem with that, then by all means, complain to the U.S. Government, all I'm trying to do is provide an example. Google it or wikipedia it, they are designated as LEADERS. For simplicity purposes, you can compare Dragon to the Majority Leader and Sabo to the Minority Leader. And also, the reason we don't put commanders in the same section of "Leaders" is because there are actually multiple members that are Army Commanders, which can warrant them their own section. In my opinion, it looks bad to just have two sections with 8 empty cells when they can be combined.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:24, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

heavy sigh ok if u call a group of people whit out a desginated title leaders that automatically is implying they have equal standing to eachother that is why ranks were created a four star general and three star general are both leaders in us military but one is called 4 and other 3 because one has more power dragon is called supremecommander while sabo is called chief staff differnt ranks they are not called leaders each one has specific title befote leader to show who holds more power your why u think majority is before two titles and minority is before other two same reason why presdient is just called that and vice is ad to second in command. we dont put commanders in that section because a this not alliance like for ex Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance were each leader is equal, and b becuase they do hold same amount of power as dragon the supreme commander or the chief of staff sabo a the rev commanders. i tried to place sabo under commander section and keep his chief of staff title with him to shkw he is higher rank them but another user not nameing who had a problem with it so to make a comprise i just gave sabo his own section but a if u want move him to that section wamt deal with it go aheadFacts over opinions 06:13, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
 * (the Majority Leader ranks above the other three). Even those that do not have LEADER in their title (Majority Whip, Minority Whip) are called leaders. Now, do not say that they are not leaders or they are not really leaders, the government calls them "Leaders

See I understand, where your coming from. I don't like how Sabo is next to Dragon either, but I think its better than creating a special section just for "Chief of Staff." We can't put Sabo is the "Army Commanders" section because that section is specifically for those that have the title of 軍隊長, as that is the translation. Dragon was known simply as the leader of the Revolutionary Army before his actual title/position was revealed as Supreme Commander. "Leader" itself was never a title, it was just a description. Like you can call Buggy the "leader" of his crew, but his official title is "Captain." The "Leaders" section name we were originally using is not a title (there is not rank called "Leader(s)" in an army), it was just to show that those two had greater authority, not equal authority, but greater authority than everyone else.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:32, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

I believe that Sabo should be next to Dragon. It would look better than leaving Sabo's alone on its own section. Also, we should use the unknown status symbol to abreviate the armies that each of the lower members are known for. I just attempted to make it like that but it got reverted. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 04:22, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

That's not the function of the status symbols. Also hiding information, like which commander goes to which army, is counterproductive. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 05:46, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

Well we did it with the Shichibukai Gallery and no-one here seems to mind about it. See for yourself in "related organizations". Mugiwara1994 (talk) 14:14, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

That would be because nobody saw it until you pointed it out. SeaTerror (talk) 17:28, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

Well I tried to get rid of them once before, but someone changed it back. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 17:31, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

sabo is not on same level as dragon in the army the same way a admiral is not on same level as fleet admiral he should hav ehis on section or be with commanders with his rank listed in his infoboxTo love this (talk) 05:45, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Apparently, this was never settled. Sabo doesn't need his own section. It puts a bunch of empty gaps. The original had Sabo alongside Dragon. That's the original (from last year), and since this conflict was never resolved, it needs to be brought back up do to the recent course of edits and reverting.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:18, June 14, 2020 (UTC)


 * it was resloved for a while the og edit would be sabo having his own section now.
 * ok why is it wrong if sabo have his own section but its ok for people like kaido big mama whitbeard akainu,Donquixote Doflamingo etc to sections for them selfs sabo if you really have a problem with it then putting sabo under commander section shouldnt be a problemTo love this (talk) 03:41, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

It was never resolved because at least 3 people on this Talk Page were for Sabo being next to Dragon. We just eventually all gave up trying to convince you because we already stated our positions, but since other users recently made edits to put Sabo back next to Dragon, this needs to be brought back up. As far as I can tell, the majority is in favor of Sabo being next to Dragon. And to be clear, no one is saying he holds the same position of Dragon.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 08:28, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

A gallery subsection with only one person looks really ugly and makes the gallery take up more space than it needs to. Two one-person sections in a row looks unbelievably bad. I often think some users try to make character galleries excessively informative and sweat over the most minor of presentation details. There is nothing erroneous about the two top brass of the RevoArmy sharing the top section. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:30, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

One person having  a sub sections to there selfs is not ugly  and does mot take up space if you really belive that then we should stop giving groups like this subsections there own sections then. it makes no sense we treat this gallery page them from simliar ones Dragon title is Surpeme commander  that is a specific title if he was still just leader sabo could stay there but he is not his title is  same as fleet admiral is for marines   Sabo is second command  (Staff)  that is not same thing  and if that the case then why exatcly can sabo not be under commander section  if probelm really is that it looks ugly  to have two sections  with one  person in each then lets put sabo with commanders that makes more sense then having him next to the  actual leader  of group.p.s while were on topic of ugly and taking up space why are theFive Elders allowed there own gallery  sub-section  on world goverment page when none of there names are known shouldnt they be put with world nobles or how about next to Im they are second command of world goverment after there allTo love this  (talk) 20:33, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

dragon title is supreme commander
dragon is called supreme commander like kaido is called the general for beast pirates  will any one have a problem with leader section named being changed? Facts over opinions 06:35, September 27, 2019 (UTC)