Forum:Jozu & Beckman : No Haki !

I've raised the issue many a time but I (finally) decided to make a forum :

Why are Beckman and Jozu mentioned in the list of Haki users ?

I really mean it, why ?


 * 1) Just because he might have hit Croc, that doesn't make him have Haki.


 * 1) He stopped Kizaru, then also no Haki ( Kizaru is a logia, thats no reason at all ! )

Even if they do possess Haki : It has never been mentioned at all : So if we think over this "It's pure spectaculation ! "

You might ask me : How I can explain the above events


 * Even though these answers are spectaculations, I'm just trying to explain stuff before I'm asked the above question :


 * 1) Jozu might have been too fast for Croc's Logia !


 * 1) Beckman's incident might have been due to a DF or even Seastone bullets ! ( He's intelligent and Kizaru knows it ! )


 * So here we are : Please explain why they should stay on " Confirmed" list of Haki users ?



Discussion
Pandawarrior 09:31, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Jozu: There have been multiple instances where Crocodile activated his devil fruit on reflex, so I don't think Jozu would have been able to surprise him. I've got to class in a bit otherwise I'd check but I think Crocodile actually saw Jozu's attack coming and still got hit. Also, he was able to shatter Aokiji's ice form, resulting in Aokiji bleeding from the mouth, and I think we can safely say that an Admiral will have mastered his devil fruit to activate on reflex. For me, these instances, coupled with the fact that the other high ranking division commanders, namely Marco and Vista have Haki, make it very clear that he does have haki.
 * 2) Beckman: Beckman(n?)'s case is a bit more complicated as we only have 1 scene to use as evidence and you're right, Kizaru may have stopped due to Seastone bullets or whatever. I still believe he has Haki, seeing that he is the first mate of a Yonkou and whatnot, but it is a bit speculative.
 * 1) What I mean is Jozu might have hit him so fast that it was faster than Croc's reflexes ( him turning into sand ) : Even if he does have haki, It's never been stated : So we should not add him into the Haki users list .
 * 2) U want him to be in the list or not ?