Forum:Should we delete the redirects?

I had an argument with SeaTerror, and I'll post the whole thing here. I want to see what you people think.

Bold is me, italisized is Terror, normal is other stuff.


 * 03:45, April 7, 2012 Yatanogarasu (Talk | contribs) deleted "Mushrooms Growing Out of Your Body Shroom" ‎ (content was: "delete template")
 * 9:02 Uknownada Now THAT, I can see why.
 * 9:04 SeaTerror i'm too lazy to put anymore up for deletion right now
 * NewWorldWarrior has left the chat.
 * 9:04 Uknownada But seriously, "Plume-Plume Fruit"? I don't think you understand the point of a Wiki.
 * 9:05 SeaTerror nobody is going to search for 4kids shit anymore
 * 4kids is long gone
 * 9:05 Uknownada ...
 * 9:05 SeaTerror they may have been valid when they were created but not anymore
 * 9:05 Uknownada http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV-nDFpOJeU
 * 9:06 SeaTerror i have that sound clip
 * 9:06 Uknownada Of course people are going to still search for 4kids.
 * There are still fans of the 4kids anime.
 * It's gone, but it has still left a mark.
 * 9:07 SeaTerror pics or it didn't have
 * happen*
 * 9:07 Uknownada There are terms from it people search for.
 * And removing them just because it's gone is an idiotic reason.
 * 9:08 SeaTerror pics or it didn't happen
 * 9:08 Uknownada That's like taking out a history book from a library because whatever happened is long gone.
 * This Wiki was built because of how organized and easy to navigate it was.
 * 9:09 SeaTerror like i said
 * nobody is going to search for 4kids terms
 * 9:09 Uknownada I can't post a picture of common sense.
 * And how do you know they won't?
 * 9:09 SeaTerror that is common sense
 * 9:09 Uknownada People watched the 4kids anime.
 * And people will find the Wiki.
 * What if they're unknown that there were edits?
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 * 9:10 SeaTerror not going to happen anymore
 * 9:10 Uknownada How do you know that?
 * 9:11 Lightforce hey guys, I can't seem to be able to post a thread or reply to one in the forum, all I can do is edit. Does anyone know why?
 * 9:11 SeaTerror easy answer
 * 9:11 Uknownada Is there a message that comes up?
 * A notification?
 * 9:11 SeaTerror this is 2012. Not 2005
 * its probably archived
 * 9:11 Uknownada This is 2012, where 4kids fans still exist.
 * 9:11 SeaTerror pics or it didn't happen
 * 9:12 Lightforce it's not just one, it's in all of them and no it's not archived
 * as for a message yeah I had one in a blue box
 * 9:12 Uknownada Well, most readers probably haven't made an account, Terror.
 * But here's one: User:4kidsOPfan
 * I don't know what to tell ya, Lightforce.
 * What did the message say?
 * 9:13 Lightforce it talked about tips and stuff like that
 * 9:13 Uknownada Try reporting that to one of our admins.
 * 9:13 SeaTerror old user who hasn't even edited recently
 * 9:13 Uknownada Terror, you're missing the point.
 * 9:13 SeaTerror plus probably already watch the original or new dub versions
 * i think you missed the point years ago
 * 9:14 Lightforce I also created an account so it doesn't really make sense, and how do I report to admin?
 * 9:14 Uknownada This Wiki isn't about users who talk to each other, it's about making an easily accessible encyclopedia that people can read.
 * 9:15 SeaTerror it isn't that easy to read if the search box is cluttered full of redirects for pointless stuff
 * 9:15 Uknownada Lightforce,
 * User_talk:DancePowderer Here's an admin. Leave a message.
 * Be sure to sign your posts with four ~'s
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 * 9:15 Uknownada Pointless stuff? How are item names pointless?
 * The Plume-Plume fruit was the name of a devil fruit.
 * In the 4kids dub, yes.
 * And people who watched the 4kids dub still exist.
 * 9:16 Lightforce thank you uknownada
 * 9:17 Uknownada There are people who search for it.
 * You're welcome.
 * SeaTerror has left the chat.
 * Lightforce has left the chat.
 * 9:17 Uknownada Guess trying to explain logic to him is harder than I thought.
 * SeaTerror has joined the chat.
 * 9:18 SeaTerror there's no proof that they would serch for 4kids terms
 * 9:19 Uknownada There's no proof that there isn't.
 * 9:19 SeaTerror all of them would be watching the new dub version or the original
 * 9:19 Uknownada And how do you come to that conclusion?
 * 9:19 SeaTerror original version not original dub
 * common sense
 * 4kids is long gone
 * 9:19 Uknownada You spelled ignorance wrong.
 * 9:19 SeaTerror nope
 * 9:19 Uknownada 4kids fans exist. There are people who aren't even aware that there IS a new dub.
 * 9:20 SeaTerror prove it
 * 9:20 Uknownada Alrighty.
 * 9:20 SeaTerror calu are you there?
 * 9:21 Claudia323 yep
 * 9:21 SeaTerror be the mediator
 * Janceravner has left the chat.
 * 9:22 SeaTerror also
 * 9:22 Uknownada http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AquLykUDsuUDDDYUODaxBm0jzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20070923164032AAJKTMY
 * find something that's actually rfecent nada
 * recent
 * 9:22 Uknownada "I don't want the bull about the dub being horrible"
 * 9:23 SeaTerror that link is invalid
 * 9:23 Claudia323 lol
 * 9:23 Uknownada Terror, with also the fact of the existence of people in general, I've provided evidence of 4kids fans. You have no provided evidence of people not searching for it.
 * 9:23 SeaTerror you didn't provide evidence
 * you provided evidence of somebody asking 5 years ago
 * 9:24 Uknownada Terror, do you know what an encyclopedia is?
 * It's something that provides information.
 * People search for this information.
 * 9:25 SeaTerror no they don't
 * 9:25 Uknownada There are people who don't know the FUNimation dub exists, even I didn't know it existed until it was a few years old.
 * 9:25 SeaTerror you have yet to prove that
 * 9:25 Uknownada You have yet to prove your point either.
 * Just saying "4kids is gone" is not a valid reason.
 * 9:26 SeaTerror it is
 * calu come be the mediator
 * 9:26 Uknownada 4kids fans exist.
 * 9:26 Claudia323 umm ok
 * 9:27 Uknownada There are over 7 billion people in the world. You can't say not a single one of them is not a fan of the 4kids dub.
 * Also, the 4kids dub was a part of One Piece's history.
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 * 9:28 Uknownada And, as I may say it again, fans exist.
 * 9:28 SeaTerror there can be fans of it
 * 9:28 Claudia323 well i gtg, byebye
 * 9:28 Uknownada And fans search for it when they want to.
 * 9:28 SeaTerror that doesn't mean they would actually search for 4kids terms now
 * 9:28 Uknownada Bai
 * Why not?
 * There are people who grew up with this show.
 * 9:28 SeaTerror if anything they would know the original terms from a fansub or use funimation terms
 * Claudia323 has left the chat.
 * 9:29 Uknownada ...
 * You can't be serious.
 * Do you really think all the 4kids fans know of the fansub and FUNimation terms?
 * I've seen people comment on the FUNimation dub saying "WTF the old one was much better"
 * They would also want to look up this stuff for nostalgia.
 * Or if they're just curious on what it said.
 * Everybody searches for something on Wiki's, because they want to know information.
 * That's why this Wiki exists: For information.
 * Removing those redirects, you're removing information.
 * Somebody who doesn't know that the Plume-Plume Fruit isn't the true name will never find out.
 * Just because the hardcore fans know of the other dubs doesn't mean everyone else does.
 * People who watched the 4kids dub and aren't aware of other translations will eventually find this Wiki.
 * They will search for their terms.
 * And they will be confused where it's at if these are deleted.
 * If they don't know where to find it, how will they learn?
 * They won't learn.
 * Because the pages no longer exist.
 * 9:34 SeaTerror I've seen people comment on the FUNimation dub saying "WTF the old one was much better" those are known as trolls
 * 9:34 Uknownada No, they're known as people with opinions.
 * 9:34 SeaTerror ok
 * 9:35 Uknownada Some are trolls, yes.
 * 9:35 SeaTerror so i can go to a Lost Forum and say this show sucks ass and only retards like it even t hough I have only seen one full episode
 * i'm not trolling
 * 9:35 Uknownada Others, most likely the majority, are opinions.
 * 9:35 SeaTerror its my opinion
 * 9:35 Uknownada You could.
 * But that doesn't exactly prove these people don't exist.
 * And you still have provided no evidence that people don't search for this.
 * 9:36 SeaTerror also
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 * 9:36 SeaTerror if somebody searched for a 4kids term they would still find it
 * even if the redirect didn't exist
 * Janceravner has left the chat.
 * 9:36 Uknownada Yes, they would. But it would be in an inconvenient way.
 * 9:37 SeaTerror since the information is on the articles
 * well i understand
 * 9:37 Uknownada So it's better to search for something and force to click the first link than search for something and just be where you want?
 * 9:37 SeaTerror it would be inconvenient for a fictional character to search for something that doesn't exist
 * 9:38 Uknownada 4kids fans exist. People who only know about the 4kids dub exist. If we remove those links, that's the only thing they'll think exists.
 * They won't learn the true names of these fruits.
 * If they do, it will just show how difficult it is to navigate this Wiki.
 * This isn't a change for the better.
 * It makes this Wiki more difficult to navigate.
 * If someone goes to the Wikia, with no knowledge of anything outside the 4kids dub, they won't get any knowledge.
 * What you're actually proposing, is to make the Wiki harder to learn from.
 * People come here to LEARN
 * Learn about One Piece, its characters, and its history.
 * Remove this, how will they learn?
 * It's called the "One Piece Encyclopedia" for a reason.
 * I'm going to make a blog of this, and see what other people think.
 * Because so far, it seems I'm the only one who's provided reason.
 * 9:46 SeaTerror actually they will learn since the names will still show in the search o nthe actual articles
 * 9:46 Uknownada They will learn because of the page they're redirected to.
 * 9:46 SeaTerror well you're right
 * The person who searches for Smoke Smoke fruit will learn the name
 * 9:47 Uknownada And the person who searches for Plume-Plume fruit will learn, too.
 * If these redirects stay.
 * 9:48 SeaTerror but nobody will search for it
 * 9:48 Uknownada Evidence?
 * 9:49 SeaTerror 2005 isn't 2012
 * 9:50 Uknownada People aren't going to know that if they don't learn, will they?
 * I think we need a second opinion.

What do you think? Should we remove the redirects and confuse 4kids fans who aren't aware of anything other than the 4kids dub, or keep them and show how informative and navigational this Wiki is? 03:10, April 19, 2012 (UTC)