User talk:Mugiwara Franky

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Zoro First Mate
I forgot Angel left. Can you answer the question I left on her talk page? I really need to find that page. Drunk Samurai 02:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Coldhandzz and Images
Can you take care of this? All the anime ones he is replacing are better quality. The ones he is using are obvious fan recolorings. Drunk Samurai 09:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe Mr. 3 but the anime ones for all the others are much better. Drunk Samurai 22:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

He's back except now he's doing it as an IP. Without discussing it at all. I bet he's only doing it as an IP to try to make it looks like it's somebody else. Drunk Samurai 01:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Animal Theme Problems
Can you take care of all those IP's vandalizing the pages? They keep on coming back to removing the info for no reason. Drunk Samurai 22:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

They're back except this time as a signed up user. Drunk Samurai 18:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletions
Hi. Its been a few weeks, so I put up a few nominations, but I also just recently found this Other Fictional Pirates, vandalising a red link.

By the way, we could have had links to off wikia articles on Hook and Long John Silver, but okay. And you may wanna look over Angel's contirbs on image talk pages, she nominated a few there. --New Babylon 19:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

New look
Hello! I'm kind of new here, but I have been working in the Episode Guide (Funimation) article. I'm also in charge of another wiki in fusionfall.wikia.com and I changed the look there to go more with the topic and I offer my help to do the same in the One Piece wiki. Are you interested? FusionFaller 04:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What's your work look like?Mugiwara Franky 04:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * FusionFall, it's the wiki I currently admin. I can change alignments, colors and I can help you add sortable and expandable tables. FusionFaller 06:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you help out with the hide and show system here. It'll be most useful in the various navigation templates here.Mugiwara Franky 06:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Easy, just copy the text in the page [] into the MediaWiki:Common.js of this wiki and it should be working in ten minutes or less. I would do it but only admins can modify that page. FusionFaller 08:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Good! Now, for step two you have to paste this text into the MediaWiki:Common.css of this wiki (note the diference, the first was .js, this one is .css) copy it form the code page, not what you see here. Are you sure you don't want another color scheme for the wiki? Maybe a sea blue with gold yellow one? FusionFaller 00:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

/* Standard Navigationsleisten, aka box hiding thingy from .de. Documentation at NavFrame. */

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.foldtabHead p { margin: 0; padding: 0; }


 * Okay. What's next for the hide option. How do I implement it in a navigation template.Mugiwara Franky 00:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I changed the Song Template, have a look at the code. Important thing is the class="collapsible collapsed" and the fact that the first row of the title must start with a !. If you can't see it just hard refresh with CTRL+F5. FusionFaller 01:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No prob! You have quite a good proyect here, hope it grows some more! Sure you don't want a color change somewhere to make the wiki more acording to the theme? FusionFaller 01:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * How you change the color again? Just give me the instructions for now. I have to ask the rest of the community on the color.Mugiwara Franky 01:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is an example of how you change colors: There are some ideas there but it's not all you an do. I suggest you check out other wikis to get ideas and make a consensus maybe in the Wiki Forum here to agree on colors. FusionFaller 01:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

IP address
Noticed on Cold's page there were some doubts about the current uploader Momoy12. Can you just run a quick IP adress check on the pair of them and reassure their not the same person MF? One-Winged Hawk 08:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

IP address
Noticed on Cold's page there were some doubts about the current uploader Momoy12. Can you just run a quick IP adress check on the pair of them and reassure their not the same person MF? One-Winged Hawk 08:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * For some reason "Leave Message" left two versions of that last message. Okay MF, Coldz and Mo were the same person, Mo slipped up and used Cold's name but left the link to Mo's own talk page and that behind. There is no longer a need to run a IP check at least. One-Winged Hawk 11:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay MF, ignore previous statement, we need to check up on ID. I ran a history check on the Mo account and it was used for vandalism previously.  Since we can now say Cold and Mo are one and the same, we can confirm Coldhandzz is both a troll and a vandal.  A IP adress check may turn up as well other problems.  Now we have no choice but to deal with this person I'm afriad.  Also, later I'm going to try and rework the image guidelines to prevent mass uloading/updating of images without explaination. One-Winged Hawk 13:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would just like to add that when I make a mass upload, I do so for characters that have no image whatsoever (especialy the movie characters) . Otherwise, I only had a dispute with Rod over his horrendous TB images . In fact, their stil on the template talk page, you think we can use them (and the curent examples) as to how what we ar suposed to upload should look like and how it shouldn't ? This is adressd to whoever of you two it may concern . --New Babylon 14:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious they are all the same person. Why should I leave it? He will continue vandalizing the Wikia if left alone. We need a 100% IP ban on him. No second chances. Drunk Samurai 00:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

They are from the games which are not even that high of quality. They are not Oda originals. Which makes it an even bigger problem when loading up the pages with shitty images. Drunk Samurai 00:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

The games are still not canon. The original source is the manga. Then comes the anime which have much more accurate colors than some of those pictures. Drunk Samurai 00:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Who would possibly complain about images being changed? Besides its obvious that Coldhandzz is a vandal who is abusing the registration system just to make it look like they are all different people. Drunk Samurai 01:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed most of the game images were known to me long ago, when I created the ad for my sig at Arlong Park forums I found them. I never uploaded them because many of the, namely those from the pre Grand Battle 3 era, were not good enough.  Some of the images can be kept however as not all of them were rubbish or of poor quality.  My concern is for Mo/Cold/Mr. X/whoeverheis reckless mass uploading, aside from the photo bucket accounts I haven't had a chance to look at the other sites.  Okay I'll make it clear again, of the Spannish site I did investigate, all but those that were watermarked where fine from use.  Its the others I have not investigated yet.  OF the images he uploaded, thats the only site we can confirm is okay however at this point. I'm due out this morning so I'll investigte the other sites when I get back.  One-Winged Hawk 05:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Should I continue ?
I dunno, it has been a while, you think I could continue with going through the unused images and marking those we don't need for deletion, because there is lots of them stil out there. --New Babylon 12:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous
Somebody abuses the system and you only block them for 2 weeks? Drunk Samurai 21:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I hate to say it DS, but this isn't as light hearted as you think, wikipedia would have done far less. At the moment he has a level 3 ban by our rules, which is just a week ban, MF has issued him with a 2 week ban, so already his punishment is more then needed. Though he abused the system, he didn't go comando on us, give him that much respect he wentout quietly.  If after 2 weeks he comes back same old same old, then we GET TOUGH.  I should note its only when they reach the level 3 ban they ("three strikes" takes a user to level 3), they can be banned any point.  For now, Cold has had warnings, this is a display of seriousness, give him a chance to rethink, if he is the same ol' dumbasss... Well I've already said that.  Most users banned at level 3 did far worst.  One-Winged Hawk 21:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Urgent: FA template incorectly displaying on the main page
I have dited the FA template today, and it is edited and changed when I go to it, but it displays an old version on the main page with Franky as a Featured Article (which is made even more ridiculous by the fact that the image of Franky which is "suposedly" in the template is not recorded as being on that page any more ). What can be the reason for this ?

--New Babylon 11:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't understand it myself. When you preview the main page, it however shows. May as well give it some time.Mugiwara Franky 12:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * When I logged out, it displayed as edited, however when I logged back ion, it reverted to the defunct version . Also, when I view the Franky picture when logged in, it says that it's on the "main page" on the file page, however the only way for it to be there is in the FA template, but that is not listed as containing it . I realy don't understand . --New Babylon 12:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Yorki Image
Can you edit the Yorki image? No matter how I try to edit it the image just doesn't show up. I think it may be because there are 2 versions of the same file. Drunk Samurai 19:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Center title in templates
Hmm... That's the first time I have seen that happening, but also this is the first time I have seen the class attribute combined with the one you use them so that might be the cause. It's also the cause of the templates not being originally collapsed. I recomend doing a generic template that can be filled with the info but only using collapsible as class attribute. I'll help you with that later. FusionFaller 03:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? How do you see them? I tried to standirize all the templates, it looks ok for me and in theory now we have easier to read templates. I'll try to explain: Each section has a title, that could be either "title#" or "title#l" if the title has a link, in which case you add "titlelink#". Each title has a "C#" for color background and "F#" for font. The classes go "class#" going from 1.1 to 1.5, I didn't found templates that used more than 5 classes for 1 title, if there are more I'll add to them. The link clause for this ones are "class#l" and the link it directs is "#link". Lastly, each class has to go with "info#" for each list of things. It might be a little difficult to understand at the beginning, but it eventually does things easier. FusionFaller 15:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible copyright problems
Moulin Rouge

Okay, I have mentioned this on the Page Issues page ,(which has a feww things I would consider needing to be adressed at the moment ) but the Moulin Rouge page could realy get us into trouble. It's basicly a romanised transcript of the entiere song and someone's translation. This can never stand as fair use, especialy on a wikia , and to top it off , we don't know if some site can't acuse of of stealing their translation, cause there is no credit/ source link. We have several of these pages and I would like to know if something can be done about them.

Yrs, D.

--New Babylon 21:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Ban 98.122.124.155


This person has been vandalizing the Nico Robin page. Drunk Samurai 00:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

98.122.124.155 is obviously Coldhandzz. That calls for a bigger punishment. Drunk Samurai 22:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey that's not me Coldhandzz 13:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

No They Don't
I'm asking for proof. Funimation does not use berries. If they did they ONLY used it in the TV version because of 4Kids. So until either one of you provide evidence I am calling it BS and reverting it. Drunk Samurai 18:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Common sense has nothing to do with it. I'm not going to revert it but how do you know that that scene is actually from the uncut dub and not the TV version? Drunk Samurai 18:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

El Idioma
My english is very bad, because i am Spanish... do you know anything about Spanish? --Gandulfo88 15:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I got a question
Well you know how you make an edit, it comes up with the name, then user and whats changed? Then theres like that number in brackets like:
 * 01:45 ??????????(diff; hist) . . (-1,549) . . ??? (Talk | contribs) (????) or
 * 18:29 ????????????(diff; hist) . . (+53) . . ???? (Talk | contribs) (??????).

Whats the number in brackets for??? is it like points or something else???

Cz if it comes with like (-1,549) then name, does that person lose these "point" stuff?? or do i lose them???

Something that ive been wondering about

I got a question
Well you know how you make an edit, it comes up with the name, then user and whats changed? Then theres like that number in brackets like:
 * 01:45 ??????????(diff; hist) . . (-1,549) . . ??? (Talk | contribs) (????) or
 * 18:29 ????????????(diff; hist) . . (+53) . . ???? (Talk | contribs) (??????).

Whats the number in brackets for??? is it like points or something else???

Cz if it comes with like (-1,549) then name, does that person lose these "point" stuff?? or do i lose them???

Something that ive been wondering about.--Legendary857 01:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That's the # of characters(each individual letter of the words, commas, periods, etc) and the spaces in between you used during the edit. (+10) means you added 10 characters and (-10) removed 10 characters.208.127.99.44 01:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Ohk thanks dude.--Legendary857 08:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Opinion?
Hi! I need an opinion of what I did in Episode Guide (Funimation) page. Do you like the idea of the episode summary like that? I'll work the rest later, but first I need to know if it looks ok or if it's overkilling it.

Also, would you mind changeing the tags of show and hide for + and - respectively in the Mediawiki:Common.js page? I think It would work better. FusionFaller 23:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you please delete this ?


I don't even wanna give it the benefit of oficialy nominating it for deletion,because mashing four buttons in close proximity in the effort of "poning" someone is one of the most sadly pathetic excuses of a life I have ever heard of. --New Babylon 10:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Much obliged . --New Babylon 16:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Drunk Samurai
Can you do something long-term about his constant edit wars? He's doing them to the Pappug, Name Variants, and Catarina Devon pages now. He really needs to be stopped permanently so people can actually make corrections and additions without fighting him every single time. 121.50.43.189 08:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've stopped counting the number of edit wars... Okay MF, perhaps next time it happens we need to start dishing out the punishments. DS does some rather nice edits, but the edit wars are his most noticble fault.  If after just 2 reverts he stopped to ask what is going on, and then didn't revert after that for a moment, we'd have a chance to discuss something.  But half of the edits are without explaination and often only in the "comments" section of the save page bit.  His other edits I will stress are fine, but its almost the Edit Wars vandalic nature at times.  One-Winged Hawk 14:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the expla, I get whats going on now. :-) One-Winged Hawk 10:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He's doing it again...check out his last message on Son of God-Enel's tallk page, especially the last line.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 19:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Pity he had to be banned, he does make some worthwhile edits. Still, punishment has to be given, I say we held it off perhaps a little toolong to punish him.  After your explaination on whats going on I decided to step away from the mess and watch what happened.  Regardless of DSs name calling Son of God-Enel had been punished, served the punishment and it was time to move on.  DSs name calling and constant bringing up of the subject instead of letting him go this time cost him.  Even with a editor who makes good edits, whats the point of letting them be if they only cause trouble I suppose.  He acted like Joekido in his early days, yet Joekido we had half a chance of talking to.  Okay we didn't always get our way, we let him have quite a few things his way so long as he was prepared to manage it well, it was within reason.  But DS sticks by his guns no matter whether he is right or wrong.  :-/  One-Winged Hawk 06:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Now that he's blocked, I've sided to step back from the mess and move on. And yeah, he just like me in my early days..

Joekido 07:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Due to some of his edits being good as stated, I have just blocked DS for 1 month which is the harshest I have to go at the moment. However due to complaints from others, if he continues his ways after the block then I can rest assure that the block will be infinite.


 * In a comparison between Joekido and Drunk Samurai, I think prefer Joekido, even the one in the early days. With Joekido, at least there was some understanding. With DS, it seemed like almost everyone was either an enemy or an idiot in his view. The argument in Son of God-Enel's talk page is a prime example.


 * Enel was trying to explain his actions and some people even saw his point. Enel was being civil to his best despite him being new in talking in the site. DS on the other hand was going, he's an idiot and everything you're saying is stupid. His hostility to Enel completely overshadowed anything he was trying to point out. And if arguing with a new comer wasn't bad enough, he started arguing with everyone who was trying to defend Enel.


 * Whoever was right in the main argument of that discussion, the one that got lost because of DS, is debatable. However, it was clear who was definitely wrong.Mugiwara Franky 11:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Heya, fellow comrade
I'm looking for some merchandise in relation to Cabaji the acrobat. Since the wikia has a section on the One Piece merchandise, I was wondering if you'd know of any sets pertaining to Cabaji that I could locate. I am particularly interested in figurines, mini collectibles, etc. in relation to Cabaji. I'm strictly a villain fan, and I'd like to know if there's anything on my favorite character I can find. - 20:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

help please??
hi i just want to ask some help in editing the nemu nemu no mi page all my problems was in the discussion page of the page ok and please hurry before it got deleted. thanks

User:Rainelz 09:44, 15 june 2009 (UTC)

Another Harasser
Now that we've dealt with Son of God-Enel's, can you do something about Joekido's, King X?
 * Kaizoku-Hime 07:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Already taken care of once I saw his actions.Mugiwara Franky 07:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * King X = Quexinos
 * I'm sure of it.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 07:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Quexinos would never act like that.

Joekido 07:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Demon Rin
Quit being mean to her. I heard you wiki fags get mad whenever my dear friend tries to make this shithole a better place.

That's enough Carter, stop harressing me

Joekido 07:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Shut up, you dumb ogre


 * Harrassment is harrassment and it will met punishment. So by insulting Joe, you've asked to be punished, if we have to punish Joe likewise for the same thing so be it.  But please, if you have nothing decent to edit this wikia for, leave now or we will make you leave.  No decent editor would have continued this charade this long.  At the end of the day, Joekido doesn't really make that many edits and most of his work was in the EARLY days of this wikia, of which we've long since surpassed.  If you don't like the wikia, feel free to make your own, when you have 2,500+ pages yourself and about 20+ reglaurly and semi-reglaur editors, plus several dozen IP editors posting at odd interveiws, come back to us and tell us how easy running a wikia is.  One-Winged Hawk 08:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In any case, Demon Rin is allowed to edit here if she wants to. The only problem is the user who harassed Joekido.Mugiwara Franky 08:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll say this agian, Demon Rin hated NPC, Captain Carter is using the situation from Arlong Park as an excuse to harress me because he loves to do that everytime I go in an outburst

Joekido 08:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Whatever happened in NPC with Demon Rin is over and done. I don't know what happened and I believe that anyone involved with that should just forget it and move on. The thing with Captain Carter against you however will be taken care of if he comes again to harass you. This I promise you Joekido.Mugiwara Franky 08:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Covered us
There a note on the main page, to cover any actions we've taken or will take in future against those that bring argumets here. One-Winged Hawk 08:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Dealing with Games
Hey MF, the games issue has been brought up and I just want tosay this is a problem for us. Seriously, as much as I want the games and all their information to go up on the pages, there a LOT of blank spaces here in regards to them. We've never really had more then one discussion on them and I can't find that.


 * 1) Moves. As raised on the Gomu Gomu no Mi pages, games are filler moves, yet we allow movies and anime moves.  However, despite what Rin says, there ARE "Fill the gap moves" that shouldn't be included because their not really techniques.  Good example; Mihawk, Shanks, Whitebeard.  The whole of Mihawk's moveset is for the Grand Battle series is completely gap filling otherwise they'd not be in the games
 * 2) Checkablitiy. We can research the manga, databooks, anime, merchandise, but whats always held back the games in lack of information.  If we had one guy who owned the games and ALL of them, that would brillant.  But we don't.  There aren't many websites out there to confirm information from and many have less then we do.
 * 3) Translation problems; same as above, not many of us are good in Japanese language skills. Again, we can't check translations.  And then theres the 4Kids moves that are made up for the games and pretty must "we write what we like" as far as things go.  Evne I've checked out Grand Battle and noted a few.
 * 4) Proof; this is the MAIN issue with games, outside of screenshots and youtube uploads, the offical websites and magazines, there is little info we can use. Rin is treating this as a minor issue, but it is QUITE major.  This throws all referencing problems out the window if one person comes on and says "thats wrong" and we can't prove its right.
 * 5) FAQ; it was decided waaaay back at the beginning we weren't going to be an FAQ. Rin argued over Game FAQ and FAQ, little difference between the two, I'm going to cut this sort, the previously note time we had a discussion someone had written Square, X, Triangle, or tried to on a few secret moves for Grand Battle.

There were more points... But as I said to Rin, I just can't remember them. I'm taking a few hours break to remember them. I'd rather just keep game related pages to themselves rather then let them leak onto the other pages until we've had at least a serious discussion on the whole issue of the games. Their the hardest set of info we've got to deal with only second to merchandise. IF we don't resolve this problem, the option will be to remove all non-canon info and I don't want to do that. Rin's annoyed me somewhat because this issue is not one I wanted to bring up until we've got someone willing to deal with those pages and had a plan to begin with. Kinda like how the merchandise pages have become since a helpful person picked them up. Only with the games we haven't found that helpful person. >_< One-Winged Hawk 11:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Rin has just posted an animation and reminded me of another game related problem; sprites. What Rin has done is upload someone's animation they've created of the animation which may (and likely is in this case) true to the game.  However as a Mortal Kombat fan, sprites can be altered, I know this myself I did the same thing to create fakes and animations for MK myself. To prove the games references we need to show other editors an animation right?  Well with that its a youtube look up and proofed on the discussion page to show the editors it exists.  While thats not a problem, the editors have a real task ahead of them.


 * I should update Image Guidelines, Rin has reminded me of this problem. We once had a Zoro and Sanji fight scene up on their pages trying to represent their fighting styles and it had to be removed.  Also, while animations may be free to be used, I have seen from experience that the sprites they were created from often carried a watermark from, but whose to know they all look the same animated.  *sigh* okay overall this is a minor issue, it only effects how they are researched.  But it makes the games oh so much harder to deal with.  Again I'd prefer'd it if they had been left untouched until we had someone come along to handle them that kknew more about the subject.


 * Okay there is another point about the games I'm missing, but these are coming as Rin mentions them. I spent 4 hours trying to remember the last two pointers.  MF, what do you feel we should do about this thing?  If we allow it, we've got to allow all games, including ones like Grand Adventure.  While Rin raises good points, there are many issues to handle here.  At the very basics the argument is they are as valuable as normal animated fillers, we have character pages but I've already stated why.  But if we don't allow these attacks we've got to take the other fillers off.  I'm not going to make a move here without advice, I've basically worn my side to a blunt point until I remember that last problem.  If the wikia green flags it, then we've got to deal with the Video Game issues ASAP.  One-Winged Hawk 19:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've called for an end to the conversation on the Gumo page and asked everyone to move here to discuss the games in general. I must confess the issue has annoyed me just because we're arguing over two minor fighting moves when theres a issue at hand we're not discussing thats major when the minor issues are taking president.  We can resolve the moves discussion if first we resolve the problems outstanding with the games.  Namely, exactly how are we meant to be handling them anyway.  Its not as simple as the movies and filler eps. and I'm sick of explaining that.  One-Winged Hawk 19:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * We don't have to include Grand Adventure because it's an American-made game that just uses the Engine of the Older Grand Battle games. It has no Japanese equivalent in a lot of circumstances, so it's entirely moot.
 * As for the rest of the games, VERY Few games actually make up character attacks. Mihawk attacks in the games, but to my knowledge he doesn't have a named attack set.  I have Brand Battle RUSH too, so I've played it.
 * Inability to get ALL of them doesn't mean we shouldn't include the ones We CAN confirm. The Wikia is ALWAYS a Work in Progress situation.  Currently though, it also has Sections on OTHER video-games and video-game only things, like that character from Unlimited Adventure.  If we include HIM, we should include other things too.
 * No, this isn't an FAQ, it's an encyclopedia. a Fan-made encyclopedia, but an encyclopedia nonetheless. The point is to convey information.  Omitting any information is against the point.  We should put whatever information we have up and add any others later.  I know Japanese (Yes, I can speak and Read it) and I have the following Games:  Jump Superstars, Jump Ultimate, Grand Battle RUSH, Treasure Battle, Unlimited Adventure, Battle Stadium D.O.N.  and in ALL of those games, the two I was talking about are the only entirely "Made up" attacks.
 * But if you want, not only do I have that but I have the One Piece Rainbow Databook that has a whole section on the games. I could scour my games and find any new info you wantDemonRin 19:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Theres still a lot of games missing off your list. But if you can read Japanese there are links to their pages to take info off of them for referencing.  I see no problems, but the only thing I will hang about on is to see what other editors.  The collection of minor problems is like the problems we had on the SBS pages, been there for a long while.  I've stated what annoyed me on the games and had my say, I have no further comments until I remember that last point.  I'll send a message round to the other editors to come to MF's page.  This is all thats left for me to do for now... And update that missing note on the Image Guidelines page concerning sprites.  :-/  One-Winged Hawk 19:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

what
What the hell are you talking about i have noting to do with any games


 * You missed the discussion above... One-Winged Hawk 20:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Catarina Devon
I was just wondering if you guys knew that Catarina means Ladybug in spanish.

I actually believe her possible animal-theme is something noteworthy to add to her article. After all Jimbei and Teach just threw away their titles as schichibukai so Juan and Devon might have a chance to become their replacements in a near future.
 * Until it comes up in the manga or is mentioned by Oda himself, that's just speculation; which we don't allow here. This isn't a forum, this site is for confirmed facts only.
 * Also, please sign with 4 ~ marks at the end of your posts. Like so...Kaizoku-Hime 00:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)