Talk:Episode 976

Titles
Hi, I believe the majority were against incomplete and unreliable titles : https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Episode_971 GoldTesoro (talk) 23:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes. In the future if pages are created for episodes with incomplete titles you may mark them for deletion. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Why did the previous pages were not deleted if "the majority" had agreed on something? I don't think that this topic has been seriously discussed enough to make such claims. GoldTesoro are you denying the reliability of the Tokyo News Service which has been running for almost 90 years? Can you point me one time where this source has been wrong? In the linked talk pages, no one really tried to counter my arguments, we need consistency in the rules in order to make progress to this encyclopedia. If for some reason, it does matter to some people, no where in the Guidebook you can see such thing mentioned or the rules needs to be updated with explanation as to why x or y should not be implemented. And the reason must be encyclopedic and not just depends on one's preference. We can't do like we do with chapters as the only reliable source available for chapters informations is the Weekly Shōnen Jump itself hence why it would be correct and logic to not add any information before its release date but here, we have reliable magazines providing informations about episodes before their release date so if you're against that, you'll have to find a good reason to forbid these specific sources as the release date restriction is not broken here, at least not by my edits. Ridingboxer (talk) 22:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, the full titles for Eps 974-976 are out and I must say I'm not seeing too many similarities between the titles given by your source and the actual titles.

Episode 974:
 * Your title: "Oden Speech"
 * Actual title: "I am Oden, and I was Born to Boil"

Episode 975:
 * Your title: "Toki Parting"
 * Actual title: "The Burning Castle, the Fate of the Kozuki Family!"

Episode 976:
 * Your title: "Back to the Present"
 * Actual title: "Here We Are Again, 20 Years Later!"

Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

What is your source for these and most importantly, what are the original titles in Japanese? How can you be sure that these are the final ones? There is no point in comparing translated titles as the translations can be different. And anyway, you're not responding to any of my point here, I repeatedly said that these titles are not trying to replicate the full ones but gives a 4 characters title based on what will happen in the episode, often by having part of the full title, thing which has never failed so far. Ridingboxer (talk) 05:36, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Here is my source. YonkouProductions has been a reliable informer for many years. I do not have the Japanese titles yet, so I'll need to check back when I do. However, there are still noticeable discrepancies between your source's titles and the actual titles even when you just compare them in English. Namely, your source giving a portion of Episode 975's title as "Toki Parting" while the actual 975 title does not mention Toki at all. I also am really skeptical that the 974 title "I am Oden, and I was Born to Boil" could be shortened into "Oden Speech" as nothing in that title refers to a speech. I will try to find the full Japanese titles ASAP and compare them but with what we know currently it seems all but certain that your sources have issues. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:48, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

YonkouProductions has been a reliable informer for many years but does not make him the primary source, the main source he is using is the 6th issue of the Animedia magazine that will officially be released on May 10, 2021 in Japan alongside two other magazines that contain similar informations. As much as we appreciate the work he is doing for the community, the wiki should not take sources that are unofficial and unaffiliated to the license as their references as mistakes and mistranslations from secondary sources have been and can be made and without the original Japanese text, it is hard to potentially correct them. How are you still comparing these titles when it's made clear that they are not trying to replicate the final ones meaning that they can be completely different? The original title for episode 975 was トキ別れ (Toki Wakare) which can translate to Toki parting; farewell; separation which clearly correspond to the part where Toki left the burning Castle after using her fruit to send Kin'emon group in the future. The original title for episode 974 was おでん節 (Oden Bushi) Bushi can be used to denote the title of a piece of music or poetry or the characteristic way of someone's speaking. I simply went with the VIZ localization which used Speech since it seems like no one is interested to keep the litteral translation for the episodes anyway. As for episode 976, the first part is probably the same as Futatabi Genzai (再び現在) just translated differently, again I just went with the english localization but can't exactly tell since I don't have the primary source in Japanese. There is no point in speculating about episodes that didn't air yet anyway but you saw very well from last month's episodes that they were correct, episode 969 ワノ国へ (Wano Kuni e) and 971 討ち入り (Uchiiri) were both the first part of the final title while episode 970 処刑執行 (Shokei Shikkō) indeed showcased the sad news that marked the opening of the great pirate era which is the execution of Gol D. Roger. What do you mean when you say that you are skeptical that episode x could be shortened into y or that this source has issues? Are we still arguing about the source notability? Or are you implying that I straight up fabricated those titles? It can't have issues, except for misprint when it's literally the primary source, Tokyo News Service is a notable company that mainly publish magazines about broadcast program information which means that they are officialy affiliated with all the TV station covered in their magazine, including FUJI TV, the main station where One Piece is broadcast every sunday. Also I see that the pages were created with exactly the same translation used by YonkouProductions, shouldn't we respect the magazine release date before publishing their information like we do with chapters? Unless if GoldTesoro can present an other officialy released source that I'm not aware of. Ridingboxer (talk) 00:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Partial vs. Full Titles, Final Comparison

974:
 * Partial Title: "Oden Speech" (おでん節)
 * Actual Title: "Oden Wouldn't be Oden if It Wasn't Boiled" (煮えてなんぼのおでんに候)

975:
 * PT: "Toki Parting" (トキ別れ)
 * AT: "The Castle on Fire! The Fate of the Kozuki Clan!" (燃える城！光月の一族の運命！)

976:
 * PT: "Back to the Present" (再び現在)
 * AT: "Back to the Present Day! 20 Years Later" (再び現在！二十年の時をこえて)

Aside from 976, the titles from your source and the actual episode titles do not correspond whatsoever. Your source is simply not reliable, plain and simple. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 01:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)