Talk:Chapter 12

Page numbers
There is an issue with the pages numbers. Bottom line: is the cover a color spread? If so, it counts as two pages.


 * Pro
 * Horizontal in many versions of the chapter on line.
 * Was featured in a color walk as such


 * Con
 * Vertical in Volume release.

Discuses. Rhavkin (talk) 05:08, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

If it's one page in volume release, then it only counts as one page. Otherwise, it may alter the total page number in the volume itself. 06:17, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

Volume > magazine. CW has nothing to do with it. --Klobis (talk) 06:30, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

It's not like there were strict rules back then. The page was vertical but the image is defiantly horizontal as the chapter name is also vertical. See here. Also, the volume release has a filler page after the second page, that is not part of the chapter in any mean, so I think we need to take the volume release from back then with a grain of salt. Rhavkin (talk) 14:43, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

One page Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:47, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

I checked some other cases. Chapter 945 cover is currently counted as two pages, but in the volume it's printed as one page. Chapter 817 on the other hand is printed on two pages in the volume, despite being a vertical image (page number also counts 2). I guess for consistency it's best to go with the volume count, in which case Chapter 945 page count should be altered as well. 18:02, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

If we go by the volume pages, then are choosing to ignore the filler page? Now days, there is a blank page after a color spread in the volume release, but if we say the volume page numbers are what's determinate the chapter pages, then those filler pages should count as well. We either go by the volume or not, we can't pick and choose.

Also, the fact that the title is vertical is another proof that the cover should be horizontal and that the volume release made a mistake. Rhavkin (talk) 18:58, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

That filler page took place after the third page, both in the link and the volume I have, I have to remind myself when counting pages to not include them which has led to trouble/confusion for me in the past. So far the only volumes we cover on this wikia are the tankōbons when there are other formats the series is in for instance what format is the Omnibus Edition? The reason I noticed this now was to help with my project.

Filler pages are not part of the chapter. In Shonen Jump there's a dozen filler pages between color spreads and the rest of the chapter. What matters is how many pages the chapter occupies. I get the point about "cover is horizontal", but like in the examples I listed, vertical images can also take either 1 or 2 pages. So the orientation of the cover isn't definitive for page count. 19:57, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

I'm asking about Japan's equivalent of the Omnibus Edition. Rgilbert27 (talk) 20:16, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the magazine fillers; In the volume, at the beginning of the chapter there is filler page with an image of Chouchou. If we say that the reason in favor of saying it is one page is how it presented in the volume, then the filler page should count as well, since that is how to volume presented that. Volume aside, the title on the cover that was made by Oda indicate to image should be horizontal. Rhavkin (talk) 20:39, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

And I'm saying that by that logic we would include the magazine fillers in the count if we go with the magazine presentation. Fillers do not count regardless. 22:06, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

The magazine filler are a bad example because by the magazines issues I've seen there are only fillers in the first series in the issue, and it is mostly advertisements. If we go by "that's how the volume present it" then the filler in the volume should be included. We either go by the volume or not, we can't pick and choose whatever is comfortable. The Color Walks are edited by Oda, and it shows the cover as a two pager.Rhavkin (talk) 22:17, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

Magazine or volume, filler is filler which is something to keep a lookout. Rgilbert27 (talk) 01:45, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

I did a test with volume 12, using chapter 100's color spread for reference. Chapter 100 begins on page 7 and chapter 101 begins on page 33, according to both the table of contents and my own counting to confirm. There is a single page of story beginning on the left hand side, followed by a color spread on two pages.Treating the left side of the color spread as page 9, I counted until I got to page 33. Page 33 is the cover story of chapter 101 and thus the first page of the chapter. The color spreads are only considered one page if they take up one page. Otherwise they are considered 2 pages. This would also mean the blank page must be included among the page count. 05:11, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Full color
Now, while some chapters have Color Spreads or Color Covers fewer of said chapters have colored pages from a couple pages to over a dozen. I can't remember if there were others but compare to the chapters before and after this is fully colored. Does anyone else think so? Rgilbert27 (talk) 19:42, February 4, 2020 (UTC)