Forum:Updating our spoiler rules for new chapter pages

Following on from this previous discussion a few years ago, I believe that we should update our rules concerning spoilers in order to prohibit all spoiler content for upcoming chapters from our chapter pages. At the moment we allow for only information that can be deduced with leaked scans of the upcoming chapters and censor any text-based information such as names or revelations made in speech bubbles. This selective nitpicking of what spoilers are allowed on our chapter pages and what aren't seem pointless to me as we will add the complete information to the chapters after they've been released anyway. We end up with situations where users are removing content that has been added to the chapters only for the content to be added back in once the chapter is out. Since we already don't allow chapter spoilers on any other pages like character pages or arc pages ahead of official release, all I'm proposing is that this extend to the chapter pages too. Damage3245 (talk) 19:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Discussion
I agree that we shouldn't be allowing content from the new chapter anywhere on the wiki until the official release. By allowing it on the chapter page, but not anywhere else we're setting a confusing standard. We should make just the basic outline of the chapter article with the release date, and maybe the chapter's title if that's been officially released elsewhere. Otherwise I think locking the articles until the release time is the best option. 02:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

We need to be consistent. Either leaks are allowed on the wiki, or they aren't. We shouldn't just cherry-pick what pages are allowed to have them. I wouldn't extend this to something like Volume SBS or Databook spoilers when those get leaked, but chapter spoilers are either have them or don't. Don't have them in the articles, means don't have them in the chapter page too. Personally, I side with the official release, so I say no leaks at all (except for SBS stuff). 04:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, it's more natural to add all of the information at once after the official release. Even as Chapter Notes and Characters are added based on visuals, the task becomes easier and more complete when aided with text, and it's always incomplete without it. It's very confusing for editors when they find spoilers on the chapter article but get told not to add them to other articles. No forms of spoilers are for articles, so they shouldn't be for chapter articles, either. AverageLiteratureEnthusiast (talk) 04:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Fine by me. It was originally allowed as a compromise, but I think people are used to following the official release now. 18:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I get it if you don't want spoilers for unreleased chapters for in-universe pages. But for pages on upcoming chapters, if you need to remove spoilers from them, then you might as well delete those pages. What would be the point of having pages on upcoming manga chapter if we can't write about it until it's released? SeanWheeler (talk) 21:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The pages would still be there with all the proper formatting in place so that editors can work on them as soon as the chapters and released and would still have confirmed non-spoiler information like the date the chapter is to be released. Damage3245 (talk) 21:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Also I think more immediate lockdowns on important pages related to the spoilers needed be locked down to prevent any foolish editors from editing them until the release date. One example is this recent edit which also included inappropriate language prior to that edit being reverted and the page locked down. I won't mind too much if this is the new rules since I don't really want to do any contributing towards the new chapter until it's official release and anything I learn on Youtube I keep to myself so I can check and confirm it on the official release date, but the Chapter page should be locked down until the release date if this becomes official on this wiki. -Adv193 (talk) 00:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Haven't been here in a while, but since I got the notification and this is a relevant issue...I fully agree that all unreleased material should be kept off all pages of the wiki at all times, no matter what, for consistency and safety.--Xilinoc (talk) 06:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree with not allowing anything to be put on chapter pages until the official release. The previous rules were a bit of an arbitrary compromise whose enforcement was a bit weird (such as including romanized text that was clearly inserted by Oda in the "no text spoilers allowed" rule). Changing this will help to streamline our spoiler rules. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)