User talk:Rgilbert27

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Re:Character Infoboxes
Just copy-paste an existing one, and change the data. Rhavkin (talk) 04:06, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

If any user have problems with anything that is worth keeping, the wiki as a community will help fix them. Rhavkin (talk) 09:41, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Leo (Non-Canon)
My bad if I made it confusing, but what I meant was that, normally if two characters have the same name, the other is distinguished by country or profession if possible. It stands out less than "Non-Canon."Nightmare Pirates (talk) 01:19, July 8, 2019 (UTC)

As an example, Race (Non-Canon) was moved to Race (Character) because the reason used by Kaido was "Better, more informative title." Same with Leo, cook is more informative than non-canon.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 01:28, July 8, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Categories
Like who for example? Rhavkin (talk) 23:13, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

They are not "youth groups", they are groups of children. No need for special treatment due to group members age. Rhavkin (talk) 23:29, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

Did you read the Forum:Category Creation and Removal? If there are less then five pages, and it can be fitted in another category (like simply Organizations) there shouldn't be a separate category. And you can't force something into a category just so it'll fit, like calling the Usopp Pirates not real. Rhavkin (talk) 23:46, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

Being a pirate and being a criminal are two different things. By your logic, the Tontatta Pirates, Ideo Pirates and Yonta Maria Grand Fleet aren't pirates, and the Straw Hats crew weren't pirates until after Arlong Park. Rhavkin (talk) 00:54, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

As I said "Being a pirate and being a criminal are two different things". You just gave more examples that support my claim. Just accept that not all of your ideas for new categories are good nor acceptable after what has been decided in the forum. Not all notions pan out, this is life. Rhavkin (talk) 01:05, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Actually you did, even if you didn't noticed. You said it yourself that Luffy and Zoro were labeled pirates but they didn't commit any crime at that time. I don't know what the Sai thing was about, he is a criminal, a self declared pirate, and was in Mary Geoise. How is that relate to pirates and criminals are different? And I don't have to accept anything that there aren't even evidences to support it. Rhavkin (talk) 01:29, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

A tree falls in the woods... Rhavkin (talk) 07:41, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Youth Groups
Like what? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:06, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

You listed four pages. The required minimum is five, since those groups are already categorized under Organizations. There is also nothing significant about these groups consisting of children/teenagers. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:13, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Not unless there is any significance in the ages of the members. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:31, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Block
You have been told, multiple times, not to make large changes to the history sections without discussing it first. In light of your actions this morning, you have been blocked for one week. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:02, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

What's wrong with discord? Still did you look at the edits before changing them this time around?Rgilbert27 (talk) 14:39, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Mt. Atama Thieves
Rg, please stop remove "ep=" and qref names from references. They are important parts of references. Thanks. 23:28, July 26, 2019 (UTC)

Groups Bounty
groups bounty references are one that list the bounty holder and their bounties, and a second that reference when the new became the current, which is usually by joining a crew or receiving a new bounty. Personal bounty references are in the characters page. Rhavkin (talk) 19:06, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

First of all, please don't redo edits while we are still talking about it. Now as for what we should do, for the I don't know how many time, if it is against what we've been doing so far, and there wasn't a talk about; START A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT IN A FORUM FIRST. Rhavkin (talk) 19:18, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

Are you serious? I am the one that should start a forum because you have an issue? And stop redoing the edits. I don't know what's the history of the Blackbeard Pirates, but one page being different doesn't mean all pages should be edited. If the only problem is the Blackbeard Pirates so a forum isn't needed, go to the page talk page. Rhavkin (talk) 19:36, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

I don't want to get into the Blackbeard Pirates topic, but either way, even the Straw Hats don't have individual bounty references. Rhavkin (talk) 20:16, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

So? Rhavkin (talk) 20:53, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

Still doesn't change the fact we don't use personal bounty references. Rhavkin (talk) 21:38, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

You're being very rude. I'm trying to explain your mistakes so you won't repeat them, and you don't have to replay to the messages as soon as you receive them, that's on you to make your scheduled with other project, and it's not like I can guess what you're doing at any time. Go head and what you want, it will still be undo and you will eventually be banned again.

And the Straw Hats don't have personal bounty references, just like any other crew. Rhavkin (talk) 21:59, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

Categories
Stop making more categories when nobody agrees with the ones you make. SeaTerror (talk) 18:57, August 15, 2019 (UTC)

Whole Cake Chateau Rooftop Characters had a consensus for deletion. It's part of the issue of category spam in general, which people are opposed to. 09:10, August 17, 2019 (UTC)

Another "confirm" issue
Your vandalism is for ignoring edit summary and constant disregard of wiki rules like you not referencing information you now where to find, while I simply, don't think the citation is necessary in Trivia section. So again, if YOU want to add the reference, YOU should be the one to do the whole work, and not have someone else do it for you. Just learn how to use Qref yourself. Rhavkin (talk) 20:46, August 25, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I do know how to use it, but way should I use it for something you want to add? And if you think any reference should be on any page, just add it. Why can't you understand that the Confirm is for statements with no known source, and not for a missing Qref? Rhavkin (talk) 21:28, August 25, 2019 (UTC)

You read the manga and watch the anime. Rhavkin (talk) 04:55, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

You don't need to read the whole manga every year to fix your overusing confirm on Wano arc. Are you using confirm just to gain support for you binge idea? Rhavkin (talk) 05:04, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

If you want to fix any problem with any page, then fix it, don't create more works for someone else. Rhavkin (talk) 05:40, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

So it's a large task that will take sometime. Still, if YOU want to do it, YOU do the work. Rhavkin (talk) 05:56, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

You're going personal; it is not. I'm not saying I'm better, but why should I do the work for something you want to do? Rhavkin (talk) 06:12, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

No, I do not a source for cliff notes, just somewhat good memory. And the time you spend reading articles without referencing, adding confirm, and arguing, you could have reread whatever you wanted. Your last excuse was you wanted to watch the MCU films before the new one, and now you mention reading the Harry Potter books before the last one, It seem that you like rebingeing so why not do it in your own time. Rhavkin (talk) 06:38, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Binge, in this case, has only one meaning: consecutive watching of a show till a certain point. You can also binge read with the same definition. Your idea for improving the pages is to binge the entire series? One saga at a time? One arc at a time? Fine, go ahead, don't drag user user into this. And my memory is not flaunted, it just help me roughly remember when each event occurred, and then I go to the source material and double check, confirm, pin point, and\or disprove the statement. Rhavkin (talk) 07:22, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

I stream it, and if you believe it can help go ahead and do it. Don't force others to do it for you. Rhavkin (talk) 07:54, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Using the confirm instead of doing the work yourself forces other to reread\rewatch for the source. You can google search for "Watch One Piece online" and pick any site you want. Rhavkin (talk) 08:03, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Rider
My English is far from best, are you talking about a category for characters who rides on a vehicle or an animal? Rhavkin (talk) 16:03, August 28, 2019 (UTC)

But aren't like roughly 80% of the characters we've seen so far has ridden a boat? That is a massive category that doesn't give much. Rhavkin (talk) 20:29, August 28, 2019 (UTC)

Would you still include one time riders like the Straw Hats riding on the Super Spot-Billed Duck Troops? and you still didn't explain how this would help navigate the wiki. Which parent category were you thinking about adding this category to? are all reverent character already part of that category? Rhavkin (talk) 04:19, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

What number of times do you think is required to be part of the riders category? Does it even matter if the character rode in different styles like Sanji who have ridden on a SSBDT, the Puffin Tom, Cerberus, a Flaying Fish, Caesar balloon, Rabiyan... I don't see how Yagara riders are different from ship riders. Also neither of those are actually an "ability" someone learn. Riding a vehicle is also different from riding an animal since the animal do most of the work. Rhavkin (talk) 09:47, August 29, 2019

What you sent me refer only to steeds and two wheeled vehicles, from memory it means Smoker, Doc Q, Tonjit, Aokiji, generic Fire tank Pirates, Franky, Cavendish, Hawkins, Kin'emon, and Inuarashi. Now, how will this help navigate the wiki better? Rhavkin (talk) 10:57, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

The link you gave me has "One who rides, often on a horse or a motorcycle." If its anyone who even ridden anything, then the category is to vague, if it is by specific riding method, and all of then are in a larger "Riders" category it would be more easy to navigate, but you still didn't show any necessity for this category, nor relevant to an existing parent category. Rhavkin (talk) 12:17, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

The name is not the problem, is it needed? what problem does it solve? adding an additional category without benefit like downsizing an overcrowded existing category, or for a new power\ability users, and for the sole reason of having it existing is pointless. Not harmful or against the rules, but many users will object to it just becuse it has no real value. Rhavkin (talk) 13:16, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

It isn't a question of who can do it, it is a question about what makes "someone who rides an animal or a bike" into a raider fitting the category. Rhavkin (talk) 18:54, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Rhavkin that such a category is unnecessary, since it is not an occupation and could potentially be applied to just about anyone. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 03:45, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Royal Guards
I know but this is more specific. Cracker-Kun (talk) 21:03, August 28, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Color Scheme
Sure. Do you have a list of topics that needs a CS? Do you have a specific colors in mind? Rhavkin (talk) 18:42, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

Why should Movie 1 have one if almost none of the other movies has one? And Mary Geoise is part of the World Government who has a color scheme. Rhavkin (talk) 03:45, September 16, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Roji
I'm not sure if I have an opinion at the moment. Regardless, that was the original version. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 01:50, September 16, 2019 (UTC)

Wikitext
Capitalizing but   (without space) it wouldn't identify the number as a number, just digits. Rhavkin (talk) 05:33, July 11, 2020 (UTC)

Centaurs
I really don't understand what point your trying to make. You said there was no source. I repeatedly gave you the source (if you want the specific episodes, then it's possible to find one or two in the sources for the portraits). However, you just keep deleting them and claiming there's no source when I keep mentioning it. Now you say there's no pages, but no pages does not equal unsourced.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:07, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Again, they aren't real names. And I am pretty sure the wiki won't allow them to be made, but that does not mean we go and remove it just because it doesn't have a page. There is no rule on the wiki that says "If no page is made, name must be deleted." The anime credited them as Hyoutauros and Kirintauros. They aren't actual names, so I am not in the position to argue with wiki rules.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:19, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean I've been sitting on this for a year and a half. Before I updated them, it said Leopard Centaur and we aren't supposed to translate stuff on wiki. So I put what they are credited as because that is the most accurate. I find there no need to create a page for something in which even myself does not believe is a real name. If you want there to be a page, then you can make it, but it will likely be subject to scrutiny because there will be people that say "This is not a real name." But just because there is no page, does not mean it is not the correct terminology. If anything, you can consider it a subspecies of Centaurs. We can put animal species' names in galleries and they do not need to have their own page.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:46, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Again, I don't think they are allowed to have a page by wiki precedent. Taking it up with me is useless, all I'm stating is the names have sources and there you have it. If you want to bring it up in the talk page for centaurs or wherever that they should have a page, go for it, I'll support that. But you can't force someone to write a page for what isn't allowed. All I am saying is even if there is no page, does not mean you can delete stuff, especially since you kept mentioning sources which was clearly not the problem. That is a really counterproductive way of trying to highlight a completely different issue.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:16, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

They are credited in the credits. I cannot show you, you need to look at that yourself like any other character. And again, they are not real names, more like species names. I'm not even sure we allowed to list them on episode or chapter pages, because again (in my opinion) they aren't real names. We don't list stuff like "Mocha's mom" in episode character lists either because they aren't real names.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:40, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

No rule against that. If you want, I'll create their own section for them on the Centaur page when I have the time, but it's probably going to be short and go in the trivia section as I don't really want to rewatch or reread Punk Hazard at this point.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:54, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

I connected it to Centaur Patrol Unit page and put a quick reference.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 07:03, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

That's good that you made that page, but that one has an actual name. This name is more of a description, but my point is, it is more accurate than Leopard Centaur or Giraffe Centaur because if you direct translate then it would be Leopardtaur and Giraffetaur, especially since even the English versions credited it as Hyoutauros and Kirintauros.--Nightmare Pirates (talk) 07:08, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Not to jump in the middle of a discussion, and this might not even be related (I haven't read your discussion so far), but as I was trying to say to Rgilbert27, a character name reference shouldn't be on the group page. If there is enough content for a page or section per character, that fine, but if there is not enough for a single paragraph it is better suited elsewhere. Maybe include Luffy meeting then in the group history section and mention their names there and have a reference to both the event and the naming. The members section is used for descriptions in very few times (Super Spot-Billed Duck Troops, Tsumegeri Guards, Heart Pirates, etc.). Rhavkin (talk) 20:53, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Could you please stop adding random suggestions to talk page discussions? Changing section names on episode pages has nothing to do with Hyoutaurus or Kirintaurus. Please stay on topic. 00:15, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

Udon Prisoners
There's the rename category feature now, couldn't you have done it - making it unnecessary to add categories to characters and delete the older one - or is it somehow protected? StoopidGuy (talk) 03:38, July 20, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, haha. But I thought letting you know would be positive anyway. StoopidGuy (talk) 03:50, July 20, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Image
Yup, no problem. Cdwp22 (talk) 09:45, July 23, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Bot
I have a bot account but it's not an actual bot, just for hiding mass edits from Recent changes. Why? 15:31, July 25, 2020 (UTC)

Removed them. 16:22, July 25, 2020 (UTC)

Re:J-WORLD Tokyo
There are no external links because the park closed and has no website. And no, I was not planning on making a page for the park on other wikis. 23:53, July 29, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the sources I used have information about the Dragon Ball and Naruto areas. 01:46, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

Apparently, I guess. That is the term the source used. 01:50, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Image
Due to a lack of a digitally-accessible version of the image, I have to take a picture of the TV screen by myself. This is taken from the eyecatcher of Episode 531 of the Filipino dub.

(Right, Ed?) 02:04, August 3, 2020 (UTC)​ (Right, Ed?) 02:04, August 3, 2020 (UTC)​

Referencing Concerns
Funny. I don't think you were that concerned about referencing for whoever wrote that personality section previously.

I'll put them later. Rewriting articles to make them presentable is difficult, double so if I have to interrupt myself to check the exact chapter and page something happens. Triple so when there were no references to begin with, so I can't just edit them. It's a time-consuming task.

At least I'm trying to do something for those articles instead of bothering the work of others. It's frankly ridiculous when many of those articles contain false info, contradictions and blatant mistakes, but your concern is with references. I know it's important to source, but this stance is almost hypocritical when everything's so badly written, with many articles needing rework. KingCannon (talk) 02:29, August 7, 2020 (UTC)

Re: non-canon
They are already put like that, those edits on the category don't change the code. Cracker-Kun (talk) 17:34, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

Reference
Yes I know how to leave a reference.

A double {, followed by the Ref. Then you put in a divider |, whatever that thing is actually called.

You type “name=c“ followed by the chapter number. You add dividers and do the same for the page number of the chapter that the info can be found on, as well as the episode number if it’s already been in the anime. Substituting the “c” for a “p” and “e” respectively.

Another divider and a sentence describing the reference.

Finally, a double } to close it. (GoldenOath20 (talk) 06:18, August 19, 2020 (UTC))

Reference II: Electric Boogaloo
You're going to have to be more specific on that count... as far as I know I've stuck references to 95% of everything I've added so far. Is it about the 4Kids dub commentary? I might fall a bit behind on those because I'm not sure of the proper way to reconcile the ref system with 4Kids' f'ed-up episode numbering. RubberLotus (talk) 05:32, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Amber Lead Syndrome
Why did you remove the Sicknesses Category from the Amber Lead Syndrome redirect page? Look at Talk:Amber Lead and discuss there why you're against that decision.StoopidGuy (talk) 11:38, August 26, 2020 (UTC)

Why keep the one that doesn’t look like shanks.. it’s literally the one from ep 8 --Gol D theories (talk) 03:15, August 28, 2020 (UTC)

Images source and category
Sorry for all the trouble, i've fix it. Phiffou (talk) 12:53, September 13, 2020 (UTC+2)

Re:Canon
I mean, you could include a reference by their name next to the SBS reference that notes that they were also named in an episode. But I don't really think the page gains anything by mentioning that they were first named in an anime episode, unless there is a discrepancy which there isn't in this instance. What's important is giving a source for the character's name, and the SBS is a much better source than anime credits. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:20, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

What confusion? Not mentioning the episode doesn't hurt any page because all the episode provided was the name, and we now have a canon source for the name. What does it impede us from doing? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:36, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by other pages being overlooked? I still don't see why it is necessary. There is nothing major about a character first being named in a non-canon source before being named in a canon one; it's happened to over 3 dozen characters. At the end of the day, the aim is to provide a source for the recently named characters, and the SBS is far better than the anime in achieving that goal. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:20, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Why is a character being named by a non-canon source and then a canon source significant? I still fail to see how that necessitates mentioning. If a character was named in the manga, it really makes no difference if they were named in the anime beforehand, unless the anime name was different. If they were named in the anime but not the manga/SBS, they'll get a page with the category you linked until they are named in canon. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:43, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Your talk about "repeating history" creates the impression that some sort of issue occurred with this topic in the past. Correct me if I have forgotten, but I do not recall this having been an issue at any point. As of now, we have a pretty good system: categorize the canon characters named in the anime, remove said category once they get named in a canon source. Can you give me clear and concrete reasons why we should record instances of noncanon name source -> canon name source? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:50, September 16, 2020 (UTC)

Well, if you find the right words feel free to relay them to me. And I haven't seen anyone except you who thinks there is a problem. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:20, September 16, 2020 (UTC)

re:Delete
Done. 03:25, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Minor Characters
Please limit the amount of really minor characters you put into the galleries. One or two notable unknowns might be okay, but if they appeared in one scene, and are multiple, that detracts from the value of the gallery. Also, portraits need to be square, such as 500 by 500, or 395 by 395, or 678 by 678.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 21:01, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Depending on what kind of program you're using, they should show it somewhere. Like when you are selecting where to crop, there should be numbers somewhere.--Nightmare Pirates (talk) 21:09, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Also, just because they appear doesn't mean they are notable. They should at the very least have multiple appearances if you're going to add so many characters. For example in the Water 7 Gallery, there is no way the elevator girl or the vendor is notable.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 21:15, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

File:Rittonto's Mole Portrait.png isn't square. Check the dimensions of images before you upload them. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:37, September 21, 2020 (UTC)

Confirm Tag Additions
Why do you think edits like these are productive?

Are you not caught up with the series?

Have you not read the chapter that was released today?

If you know the source, is it not better for the wiki for you to add the reference as opposed to the Confirm tag? It takes about an equivalent amount of work, especially if the chapter that the information comes from is already referenced on the page.

This behavior does nothing for the wiki and is not acceptable. Consider this a warning. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:02, September 27, 2020 (UTC)

Punk Hazard
The box you're pointing at for "Center Lake" uses the same Japanese text as the box at the start of Chapter 671. It's a description of the lake and its placement; it's not a title. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 01:36, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

Telling People to Add References
Hi Rgilbert. I appreciate your commitment to the wiki being referenced, but I don't think you need to message users to tell them to add them or ask why they didn't include them. That's what us admins and mods are for. If you want to check in with people from time to time in case they forget to do things (like how you reminded me to add/update categories for image uploads), that's fine and appreciated, but I want you to spend more time on fun edits :). 23:31, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism
Removing descriptions from images is vandalism and there is no reason for it. SeaTerror (talk) 19:23, October 6, 2020 (UTC)

Two Week Block
You have been blocked for two weeks following your response to SeaTerror's message. Not only did you remove the message (which is obviously prohibited), you proceeded to ignore him and continue removing image descriptions. This is the straw that breaks the camel's back with you breaking wiki rules and being disruptive to the community. The two week ban builds on the one week ban you had last year for essentially the same reasons. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:49, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

You two are just haters as I've still yet to hear back from Kaizoku and I would like at least still be able to edit my draft page. Rgilbert27 (talk) 09:18, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

You referring to people who disagree with your changes as "haters" is the very essence of the issue with your attitude toward the community. By all means feel free to call out people for opposing you without a reason, but calling others "haters" is nothing more than a personal attack which is not acceptable here. And there is very much a reason for why your behavior toward ST was unacceptable.

Your response when ST warns you for removing information should not be to contact Kaizoku-Hime. They are a content mod, not an arbiter. If you wished to challenge ST's warning, you should have replied to him presenting your reasons for wanting to remove image information sections, and created a forum regarding it. You did respond to ST, but went off in an entirely different direction (in what world does new images not having info sections justify you removing them from other images?) For as many edit wars as you have been in in your three years here it is baffling how you still don't seem to understand our Editing Conduct and Discussion Guidelines. For your own sake you really need to learn how to approach people who are in conflict with you. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:42, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Merged Images
Can't grantee anything. Some shots can be merged and some can't. Which were you thinking about? Rhavkin (talk) 07:16, October 9, 2020 (UTC)

Removing Image Descriptions
You were blocked for ignoring warnings against removing image descriptions and yet you are continuing to do it afterwards? Seriously? What do you think ignoring warnings will result in? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Like. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Re: Opening Narration Images
This is not how openings, endings, eyecatchers, and\or end cards images are sourced. Rhavkin (talk) 07:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Unproductive Edits
Stop changing "references" to "References", especially when it's the only change you make. It is not a productive edit as it changes nothing regarding the page and only serves to clog the edit log. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Stop resorting to edit wars to voice your disagreements; use Talk Pages to more effectively communicate your questions and concerns. I get that you're upset that your new Zoan categorization was removed, but that is no excuse to go back into those articles and add unnecessary capitalization. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Because it's a wholly unnecessary change to the coding. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, fixing coding is part of the editing process. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

If it's not a problem, then why do you feel the need to capitalize the r? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Why should they be forced to match when they're different coding styles? And you shouldn't be recreating categories that were previously deleted. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 19:26, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

What? You're the one who took issue with the basic coding and decided to capitalize it. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:05, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

OP Wiki guide and Fandom guide. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:33, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Re:Teachers
Then draft/make it, and maybe it'd fit on the wiki. It doesn't have to be a one or the other thing. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Series Notes
Users may not care what I leave on here while I'm Blocked, but as a reminder I think there should be a discussion about adding Series Notes sections to media outside of chapters, volumes and episodes that have been left unknown but on the pages referenced. Along with that, out of order from the others, a highlighted side note to keep track of the progression of time following the story. Rgilbert27 (talk) 17:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Images categorizing
Hey, I've been going over some special pages and the Special:UncategorizedFiles, long story short, all the images left are anime images and I don't want for us to do the work twice, so when convenient, add the categories per your project. Thanks. Rhav-bot (talk) 08:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Re:Branches
Three may have been the limit of what was visible in the ToC before, but I don't think the subheader levels had that limit. Five levels is the maximum. 16:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Example of what? 16:22, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I just tested it with the editor preview. After five levels it breaks. 16:37, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Look at your talk page history before this edit. Rhavkin (talk) 17:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Here. Rhavkin (talk) 17:43, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by "Acceptable?"? Did you see the edit? Did you understand how the fifth level of sub header look like on a page? Giving that level 2 is the section, do you understand why only levels 3 and 4 were used so far, making it three levels of subheaders? Did you even look at the sections of the pages you mentioned or just the ToCs? The section's headers are bearly noticeable. Rhavkin (talk) 03:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Again, I'm not sure the fifth level is good at all. When the header is smaller than the text it is hard to follow when it starts or ends other than the ToC. Rhavkin (talk) 06:33, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

What don't you get about not using fifth branch? Rhavkin (talk) 07:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Don't be stupid. If a page have something that shouldn't have been there, it doesn't mean it's acceptable on other pages. Rhavkin (talk) 05:06, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Re: Subcategories
No. Each wiki has it's own rules. How Categories works here does not mean that is how it should work anywhere else. Rhavkin (talk) 03:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

You are talking about another wiki. Each wiki has it's own rules, including rules for categorizing categories. A link wouldn'thelp since knowing what you are taking about doesn'thelp with solving it. Rhavkin (talk) 06:28, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Re:Bounty Poster Images
They are fine with me personally, it's an acceptable tradeoff between the watermarks and the increased level of detail/completeness of the bounty posters. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Re:Special Images
My source is secret ;) (Hint: I googled the specials) 15:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

The full names of the specials. They come up on YouTube. 17:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Re:Great Jipangu
Hey Rgilbert. Another user has plans to make that, so I'm letting him handle it. Cheers! 02:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Re:Eiichiro Oda Comments
I could look into it at some point but it's not a priority. You're free to try, since you've already been adding other content there. 19:25, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Portrait Categories
Hey Rgilbert. Why did you decide to change how we categorize portraits? There was nothing wrong with the old way of doing it, and the edits have clogged up the Recent Changes feed. I'll be addressing the same thing with Rhavkin, because this kind of change should've been discussed with at least a mod/admin, if not in a forum. 21:00, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

My bad Rgilbert, I appreciate you fixing the categories' grammar. I'll comment in the forum. 01:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Re:Game Differences
I don't understand what you're trying to ask. Changes to plot in games are included in Trivia. Does that explain? If not, let me know. 01:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I understand now. I agree with adding plot differences to the game pages, but I hesitate to put them on individual character pages. Pirate Warriors 4 has a lot of plot changes, including an original story set in Wano, that we can catalogue on that game's page. 02:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:Undo
I saw that you had removed descriptions from the image summaries. Weren't you warned multiple times about doing that? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:04, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Your category project was untouched. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:35, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

They are still there and functional. Do you not see them on the page? It might be something wrong with your browser then. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:00, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Like I said, this sounds like an issue with your browser. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Admirals Category
A Marine Admiral (Taishō) is not the same occupation as the admiral of a fleet (Teitoku), even though we translate them as the same word. Thus, please do not put the two positions in the same category. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 07:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:Crossovers
Hey Rgilbert! Not sure which crossovers you're talking about, since most of the ones in this category have all of the crossover franchises' info included. I know you've mentioned J-WORLD Tokyo to me in the past, but users from other wikis are more than welcome to use the same sources I did on their sites. I'm not particularly inclined to do so when I have plenty of work to do here. If you mean something else, let me know. Thanks! 03:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:Everyday
It doesn't because it isn't a video game. It is just an app. I put the template on the page while I decide what is an adequate solution. 01:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Stop Please
I've reread several arcs in order to clean up and organize articles. One Piece is a gigantic work and many times I've had to go back and forth between articles and the manga to confirm and fix things. It's a very complicated job and I cannot be expected to remember every page or have the time to check on it, but I know what I write. I do not insert fake info and have a good history of contributions.

Your edits are not productive, they're obstructive and arbitrary. You completely ignore the rest of the article just to have specific pieces of info requiring confirmation. You're just getting in the way and adding nothing of importance. After all, what's the point of citation needed when the vast majority of old articles don't have references or are stubs? Plus, you keep trying to act like an armchair mod despite having no power and being banned multiple times.

I'm just asking to not get so bullish on citations. Please, understand that I'm not an omniscient reader.KingCannon (talk) 01:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Similar to the aforementioned edit war (which will not go notice if your ban forum is reopened), I reviewed the Swordsman Infobox exchange and it looks pretty rude when you respond to a newer user's comment with "Wrong." when you are in fact the one who is incorrect. Maybe that was not your intention, but it comes off as disagreeable. 00:00, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:New Pages
I'm not aware of a Dream page existing in the past, and I don't think it's article-worthy. Pirate King could be considered at some point, but it seems sufficiently covered on the Pirate article right now. I believe I've already opposed the creation of a History subpage for the Straw Hat Pirates because the story arcs are their history. 09:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

There are no records of a page titled "Dreams". The Straw Hat Pirates are in fact the focus of the story, meaning the history would just be retelling the arc summaries except removing the context provided by other characters. That's why they have the subpage Actions and Locations Visited instead of a conventional history page. And that's how it should be. 10:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Re:Jail Island Pages
I am not generally opposed to the creation of pages for the Jail Island towns/prisons, but I do expect for you to fill out the necessary sections if you wish to create them and not just leave them as stubs. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:01, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Gallery Status Symbols
Please do not edit the gallery templates *just* to capitalize the status template names, as that makes no change to the templates and spams wiki activity. For the most part you have made other edits to the templates in addition to the capitalization, so there's no issue with that; I just wanted to make this clear after seeing a few edits that only had capitalization changes. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 01:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Again, please do not edit galleries just to capitalize templates. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:29, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Biography
Did you ask anyone about changing Past to Biography before you started? Not trying to police your edits, but I don't agree with the change. 17:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding the subheading to one-section Histories is unnecessary. It doesn't aid in navigating articles and simply lengthens the TOC. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Re: Gender
other then Kiku and Yamato, every character was either male, female, or okama. A category for two page is not allowed. Rhavkin (talk) 06:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Dellinger gender was never in question. He only wears heels. And okama is already a category. Rhavkin (talk) 08:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

TBH, I think this will cause more problems than solve any. Dellinger aside, Yamato has been addressed as female by Oda alone, not by any character after talking to Yamato, and Kiku identify as a female but speak about herself in male pronouns. It seems to me both character aren't non binary, Kiku stating to be a women at heart and Yamato keep referring to themselves as male, and both are referred to as such by their peers, seems like more of a readers discussion then categorizing characters. Rhavkin (talk) 18:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Jail Island Town Pages
I have turned the pages for the Jail Island towns and villages into redirects and moved their information back to the Jail Island page. As I said earlier, I do not oppose the creation of those pages in general. However, aside from adding a couple small location sections and creating residents galleries, you did not add hardly anything to those pages other than copy-pasting the brief location descriptions that I had wrote, leaving some description sections empty, and leaving all History sections empty. Additionally, you left the location sections on the Jail Island page completely blank save for a link to the articles. None of that is acceptable. And I can understand pages being a work in progress, but you created these pages over a month ago and then did not touch them again after that. If you wish to revive these pages in the future, you must take the time to make them more complete, and do not remove content from the Jail Island page (in other articles for islands with locations that have their own pages, we still have descriptions of those locations on the island page). Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:41, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Vivre Card
You could go to AP forums thread or any forum like that and look for anyone who uploaded the files (like Redon) and ask them. This is what I found, but I did not check its quality. Rhavkin (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Origin
Keep in mind that we already have a listing for "Residence". If a character's current residence is the same as where they were born, there is no need to list it twice. 16:27, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Your New User Pages
The user pages you are currently in the process of making are currently in the Main namespace; they need to be in the User namespace. Please fix this ASAP. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Re:Categories
First, you're supposed to contact an admin or mod before creating and adding new categories to several pages. It does not appear that you did so.

Second, creating whole new categories to exclude one or two characters is a bad use of categories. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Neither point addresses what I brought up as issues with those categories. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Re:Splitting pages
I think you've misunderstood something. Appearances meant the "Appearance" section. 15:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Categories
I am not sure why we are having this issue considering how long you have been here and how involved you have been in category edits, but the rules are very clear: all subcategories must have no fewer than five pages. So I'm not quite understanding of why you have created multiple categories for subgroups which have fewer than five members.

Other things:
 * For subgroup names which aren't exclusively indicative of a single group, the group's name needs to be included as well in order to prevent confusion; e.g. Category:Administration needs to be Category:Buggy's Delivery Administration, Category:Army Commanders needs to be Category:Revolutionary Army Commanders, and so on.
 * And obviously, I hope you are actually going to add pages to these newly created categories, lest they all be deleted.

Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Of course, just a reminder not to leave those categories high and dry.

And if you want that exception to happen you're gonna have to go to forum. Personally I don't see a point, it's not usually like the parent categories are so overflowing with pages that we need to categorize subgroups with a couple of people. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Again, if a subgroup name is not clearly indicative of the larger group, the group's name needs to be included as well. "Elite Officer" might have only been used with the Donquixote Pirates as of now, but it's not indicative on its own and could easily be used again elsewhere. And don't get me started on "Administration". Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:56, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

More Unproductive Edits
Again, changing capitalization of coding (e.g. status, qref) is frivolous by itself, as it isn't correcting any mistake and doesn't contribute to the article in any meaningful way. If you're not making a substantial edit, then don't make the edit. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Re:Former Sun Pirates
Yeah, I counted him; there are four pages (Aladine, Praline, Tiger, Wadatsumi) in that category now, so it's too few for a split. No, adding a subcategory doesn't count toward the page number. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 00:38, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Re:Merfolk
You're supposed to ask an admin before performing large scale recategorizations. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, there aren't enough for this split because you plan to leave the main category (Merfolk) empty. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Can you rephrase that question? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Gallery Pirate Templates Category
I will handle the rest of the templates with my bot, so the activity log doesn't get flooded. Thanks, Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Your Edits
When making large quantities of minor edits, please mark them as minor so that they can be filtered out of Recent Changes if necessary. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

The editor has a checkbox you can click that says "This is a minor edit". Alternatively, you can go to My Preferences, the Editing tab, and under Editor check the box that says "Mark all edits minor by default" before starting. Though edits that only consist of adding a single digit like that should ideally be done with a bot. 21:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Your projects tend to be somewhat controversial, so I think it's best if you request someone else to run a bot. On that note, I finished the rest of these edits just now with KageBot. 22:42, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean? Isn't that what these edits already accomplish? 09:25, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

All of those should be properly sorted now, though it might take time to update. This only required embedding Template:Sort to the Chapter Box and Episode Box templates.
 * PS I do not have the volume in my possession, so I do not know how they handled the color spread.

13:22, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Re:Building
Can you give me a source for the word section being written on parts of the institute? I didn't see that, but I also wasn't looking for it. 棟/Tou means Building, "section" seems like a very awkward translation of it. I checked the official translations and VIZ calls them "Structure A", etc. and Funimation calls them "Building A", etc. But again if the word section is written on the walls or something somewhere then I'm fine with changing it back. DewClamChum (talk) 03:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'm 100% sure neither VIZ nor Funimation use "Section A, B," etc. in the actual dialogue. I would be against using Section unless it's written in English text somewhere in the original Japanese, otherwise I don't think it's a good translation of 棟. DewClamChum (talk) 07:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Ecosystems are
Ecosystems refer to interacting communities of organisms and the non-living environment they inhabit. That's why "system" is there.

The fact is that it's really broad and being misused by you on top of it. Ecosystems is not just about places with lots of fauna and flora. That literally can apply to many locations, especially those with any form of animal or vegetable life, in which most places in One Piece count.

We do no need such a category because, at least in the way you implemented it, is incredibly subjective. For example, Kuri or any other region of Wano Country could be considered an ecosystem with roaming animals hunting each other, even if it's been ruined by human action. Zou is a whole ecosystem that exists on a giant organism. Dressrosa could be considered an ecosystem due to its myriad of flower fields or the fighting fishes living off the coast that the Dwarves hunt. Even Totto Land is an ecosystem, since it has animals like ants who feed on the frozen juice sea at night.

Virtually anywhere with signicant animal-environment interaction could be considered an ecosystem. That's why it's a pointless category and you can't just decide what's an ecosystem or not.KingCannon (talk) 13:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Images Request
For what reasons? The Sekiteiun page does not need illustrations since we have images of the actual thing, two of which show the Going Merry, so the comparison is seen.

As for Robin (Oran and Roji's) house, the scene from 275 show it in a yellow tint, despite the house being white and blue as seen later in the episode. A better yet not full depiction of the house can be seen in episode 276, but since it looked exactly like all the other houses on Ohara, there really isn't a reason to add it other then its inhabitants, which is A - Not a good enough reason to add it as a landmark on the Ohara page (I assume that is where you want to place the image since it wouldn't fit anywhere else), and B - Doesn't have enough content to write about since we only saw the main room in one flashback. So again, why add those images? Rhavkin (talk) 21:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Image Category Edits
Hey Robert, did you talk to anyone about your image category edits before you made them? It is a pretty significant undertaking, and I disagree with it from an organizational standpoint. Would love to discuss these things with the wider community before we have every manga images sorted under the letter V on the category page. Personally, I don't care if they're in order of appearance/chapter because that isn't the point of the category. If I want to find an image, I'll look it up alphabetically, but that is not possible with your proposed edits. I understand the intention, but with how category pages work, I don't think it makes the most sense. 17:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand what projects you're referring to. I know people are bad about image categories and sources, but that is something we OP Wiki staff are well aware of. The best way to solve that problem is to 1) remind people that don't add categories that they are violating our image guidelines and 2) fix it by adding categories and sources. You could do either if you want. That is more productive than telling Kage that other users aren't adding categories because we already know that. Worst case scenario, we add Template:No Source when we can't find a source.

If you ask me, it doesn't matter how many images are from each volume, and if you really want to know that, why not just make categories by volume as you did with the anime seasons? (I also find this unnecessarily complicated, but that is another conversation) What matters is if I as a user can find an image easily. If I'm on the category page, I'll want to see it alphabetically instead of scrolling through hundreds of photos and trying to remember what comes first chronologically.

I appreciate the intention to categorize pages and images properly, but I think the big issue we collectively keep having is that the way categories have worked so far makes sense for people like me who make significant content edits. Rather than decide on your own to change our system of how the categories work or how they are ordered, please follow procedure and make a forum. I promise that I will comment on it. 02:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Dude I'm gonna be straight with you: the order of categories on a page does not matter at all. The way you are changing the order of files in a category are cumbersome and inefficient. You are clogging the recent edits feed with an idea that doesn't make sense when categories are always sorted alphabetically. Please stop this stuff now and make a forum about your proposed changes. 04:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

In my ignorance I only just learned I can sort out minor edits... apologies for that. I also didn't realize you had a discussion going. I'd love to check it out if you could link me. When this kind of this is being discussed on a talk page or forum, it is customary to hold off on the discussed edits, but since I no filter out minor edits, the recent activity feed is not an issue. 17:19, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I took a look and left my thoughts on the Infobox category order discussion you started. I have no issue with that, and if there was a specific order to them before on the Page Layouts example, fine by me.

I still have an issue with adding "Volume XXX" to categories on file pages, so please start a talk page discussion about that as well before you proceed. As you will see on the Volume Chapter Images talk page, I am not the only user who thinks you should make a forum before deciding to change our categorization system on your own. This is a community site, therefore, other members of the editing community should have input before significant changes are made. That makes sense, right? I know I make pretty big edits often, but I follow the process. If I want to make a big change, like adding video game sections, combining plants into a single page, or proposing page layouts for stubs, I make a forum. People liked those ideas, and now they are standardized. Other forums I've started haven't had the same success, like making sure new chapter references always include page numbers. I even had a forum go for a loooong time and come to a positive conclusion, but it was never executed upon and died (largely on me, but still).

If categories work fine as is, changing them should be something we all decide to do together. If we collectively decide that your new ideas would work better, we can implement them. If not, that's just the way this all works. I know it can be frustrating to have an idea shot down, but if we can all have a civil discussion, you can make your case. 16:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Did you consult anyone about this most recent project? And why start a new one when past ones are still incomplete or unresolved? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

That doesn't answer either question, nor does it address why you are ignoring category rules.

Additionally, removing spacing that doesn't effect visual display is an example of a frivolous edit that shouldn't be done as its own edit, even under a minor edit tag. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Unproductive Edits
Again, edits are unproductive and frivolous because they don't make a functional or visual change to the page. They only serve to inflate edit counts and clog edit histories. Stop performing them. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 19:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I know minor edits can be filtered from the RecentChanges page, so your response doesn't address anything that I said. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Yet another reminder that edits like are pointless and unproductive. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:19, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) You didn't mark that edit as minor anyways.
 * 2) I never said minor edits are unproductive. Minor edits certainly can be productive; I frequently use them to fix broken coding, misspellings, or grammar mistakes. They can be unproductive, whether marked as minor or not, when they that don't make a functional or visual change to the page. The removal of those spaces, like your capitalization of template names and the code, doesn't alter the function of the source code nor is it visually represented in how the article displays.
 * 3) If the spaces bother you that much, then wait to include their removal in a more comprehensive, productive edit. If there's nothing else to change about the page, then there's no reason for you to be looking at the source code to see them.

Sources for Cover Images
I've been using the WhatLinksHere special page to find images that need updating as it can collect them by chapter. However, these files won't show up in the list if they don't include the direct link to the chapter. And linking to the image file doesn't leave a trail to what images have been cropped from the cover.

Your argument that "the only part of the chapter this image comes from is the cover" doesn't really come into play since the covers are still parts of chapters and featured in the chapter articles. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 00:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Except linking to the image file doesn't make it easier to find. It won't show up when searching images by chapter (basic search function would mix in images from Episode 744) and isn't included under the cover's "File usage" section, so there's nothing to indicate that a separate image file was cropped from the chapter cover. If you want to make clear that it's only from the cover, then simply add " cover" after the chapter listing.

The MangaPlus app has the English versions of series for free. ShonenJumpPlus has select chapters for free. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it shows up if you search for links to the file, but searching each file individually is far more time consuming than simply searching for the chapter. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 12:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Re:Outdated
Template:Broken 10:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Re:Shonen Jump Reference and Re:Rename
I assume you wanted me to add a way to display the year with the Shonen Jump reference. It now works like this: Weekly Shonen Jump 1997 Issue 34

However, I changed the name of the parameter to "jump" or "wsj". Category:Weapon Images is now renamed as well. 21:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Re:Wiki Wordmark
I don't know where it's from; since it's a fanmade image with Creative Commons licensing, it's not particularly important. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Re:Naviboxes
You can edit the navibox yourself the next time you see something missing. 21:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)