Forum:Mistranslations as Redirects

Alright, based on the discussion at Talk:Peeker, we need a forum and poll about whether or not we should create redirects for mistranslations used by scanlators. In addition to the case of Peeker (Pica), Mangapanda also just screwed up Kyros as "Curos" in today's chapter (739).

Personally, I am of the mindset that these redirects don't harm anything, and that when translators make these mistakes (particularly the first group out), the errors do not disappear from the various websites people use to read One Piece. I would say that if you can find it on a popular website, all mistranslations should be redirects. 17:29, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion
If we can find it on a popular website, we should use it as a redirect? Then we're going to get bogged down in "what's a popular website". Redirects aren't really a big thing unless it's a commonly used name. Here's my suggestion. If, for example, Mangapanda (or some other big site) insists on using one translation instead of the version we have here, then yes, we use it as a redirect. If a translation is a one time mistake and they change it back the next week, then I don't think we need the redirect.

17:35, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

That makes sense since we won't have too many redirects that way. The rule could be something like "if the error is found more than once, it requires a redirect". 21:13, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

What about if the error is used once, but it's the first time the character (or place) is mentioned? Like Green Pit, for example. 04:22, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Burn em all. 14:39, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Why? They don't do any harm and make it easier for people who only know names from older scans or official mistranslations like Hordy to navigate. 23:19, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

If we're gonna use Peeker, then we might as well use Vicar (Mangastream's translation, chapter 722 page 12). 09:40, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

The way I see it, we should only keep mistranslations if, at the time of use, we had nothing better to go on or didn't know better. With Pica, we knew Peeker was completely wrong because of the card suit theme that Pica and the other Donquixote executives have. I can think of one hypothetical example that would be a little more practical. Imagine back to before we knew Bian's ability. Her name could have easily been translated as "Bien" and we wouldn't really have any way of knowing better until we saw her ability in action, at which point we'd realize it should be Bian. We'd keep Bien as a redirect because of the primary misconception. It wasn't a writing mistake like Peeker, but rather a translation error caused by lack of information. We have to discern between redirects that come from translation mistakes and ones that come from writing mistakes, and avoid making redirects out of the latter. 16:34, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

This forum was never resolved, and therefore needs a bump. Any translation that can be found on a popular manga reading site should be used. The redirects are not for knowledgeable people, but more for people that may be reading the series for the first time through these websites, or misinformed people that do not know the names of characters. Mr. Whatever (talk) 16:07, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

I actually forgot this existed. I don't have a problem with keeping them. 22:04, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'm only in favor of using them as long as we don't use ones that appear after either the romanized or sufficient context to determine spelling has been established. Using every misspelling from every pos translation is useless. 05:36, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

It's useless to "you" maybe, but for the random people that still read those crap translations... it can actually be considered useful. Once again, redirects are almost never for experienced readers, but moreso for those who are less knowledgeable about names and such. Mr. Whatever (talk) 08:25, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Nobody would use most of the redirects you made. They were originally deleted for a reason. SeaTerror (talk) 16:58, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

The reason being "because SeaTerror wants them deleted". Seems legit. Mr. Whatever (talk) 19:56, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

I don't see any harm in keeping them. There's no reason to delete them if they potentially help new fans and don't cause any problems. 04:14, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Poll Discussion
Alright, this has been up for some time, so I think it's time for a poll. I think a two week poll is in order. I've written up a few options, but I'm open to more suggestions, so I'm gonna leave the test poll up for a little longer than normal. 18:32, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

The poll look good enough to me. Also, how long will you keep the test poll up? 00:25, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

I was planning on starting it on wenesday with the other poll, but in retrospect, that makes no real sense. I'll start it tonight, since nobody has a problem with it. 22:09, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

By mistranslations does that also include official stuff? Because we should use official stuff regardless. SeaTerror (talk) 23:34, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think nobody's disputing that. I'll specify that that it's fan translations we're looking at. Things like Oda's recent mistake with "Donquijote" should obviously be redirects. 00:14, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

And what about blatantly wrong translations like "Bartholomew Bear" (yes, that's how one of the older scanlation groups wrote it at his intro) and "Peeker"? Are they exceptions to when keeping mistranslated redirects? 22:52, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

It's about ALL mistranslations, no matter how wrong. 22:59, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Those are super bad which is why the third option is best. SeaTerror (talk) 23:25, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Just to show some examples of redirects that would have to be remade again if option 1 wins. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/%E8%B5%A4%E9%AB%AA%E3%81%AE%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9?action=edit&redlink=1 http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/S%C4%81_Kurokodairu?action=edit&redlink=1 I don't think anybody wants that to happen. SeaTerror (talk) 01:56, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

No one wants to put in redirects of things in Kanji, ST. Those aren't even translated, so they can't even be mistranslations. Once again we must praise ST's ability to cite examples of things nobody actually wants.

It's about mistranslations in English fan translations that can actually be found online these days. Nothing more, nothing less. 02:26, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

You ignored the 2nd one. I've seen people use macrons like that before in releases. SeaTerror (talk) 18:09, November 21, 2014 (UTC)