Talk:Enel

The alien's name and rank
Technically, this is supposed to be on his page but since it doesn't exist yet might as well ask it here. Anyway just to make sure and clarify things, what's his correct name and rank. Mugiwara Franky 08:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like (based on the covers of chapters 436 and 440) his name is Spacy (or Spacey, or Spacie, or something like that. XD) (スペーシー, Supeeshii, too lazy to use the lengthened vowels at the moment. XD), and his rank is... you want army rank, I assume? The army rank is First Lieutenant (中尉, chuui).


 * And the pirate one (that first showed up on chapter 438's cover, I believe?) still seems to have no name, and is simply referred to as "Space Pirate". --Murasaki 09:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

A pic of Eneru
You guys seem to be good at finding other pictures. How about uploading one for Eneru?BattleFranky202 14:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Sources for Enel and Eneru
Umm, not necessarily a move request but can the sources for "Enel" and "Eneru" be named here like the talk page for Arabasta. I kinda want to know which apparently more authentic. Please note it's not a number I'm asking for but closeness to authenticity. So in other words, if there's just one source for "Enel" that may have been written supposedly by Oda against several sources for "Eneru" that may have been written by other people, then "Enel" wins. I just kinda want to know also so we won't have any arguments in the future.Mugiwara Franky 14:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Enel

 * 1) - One Piece Unlimited

Eneru

 * 1) One Piece Grand Adventure.

Discussion

 * 1) I have mixed feelings about which is preferable... I note the Japanese anime sounds "Eneru" not "Enel". One-Winged Hawk 20:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) I personally prefer Enel but consider Eneru to be the proper translation. At the very least, it's the proper way to say it in Japanese.

Honestly, after watching the anime, not once did I ever hear a "ru"; it was always a hard l. I wonder why people still call him "Eneru" instead of Enel when there's about just as many sources for each. The Pope 12:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Still a God?
Will Enel still be referred to as God in the dub?


 * Not in the televised version of Funimation's dub but he will be most likely in their uncut DVDs.Mugiwara Franky 05:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Won't that make some of the scenes confusing like when Nami is praying for forgiveness?!!!!

The origins of the name Enel
1-In the Christian religion, there are angels.

2-A big part of all the angel´s names has the termination -el(for example, Gabiel, Azazel, Uriel...).

3-In Italy, there is the Vatican City, a Christian place.

4-Enel is an Italian electric company.

5-Enel -> Ente Nazionale per l'Energia eLettrica(full name of the Italian electric company) or maybe Oda thought like this(why? because it´s weird putting an electric company in a character) Enel ->ENrgia ELettrica (electric energy in Italian).

So this might be related and it´s just a theory. So Enel is like a fusion between an angel(but his personality it isn't like an angel XD) and Raijin, the Japanese god of thunder. --Kaze Kaze No Mi 21:51, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Regarding trivia for characters is it okay to add them even though there is no direct confirmation from the original source? I mean, is it alright to add them directly on the article if they make sense or have a discussion first on the talk page? I have had some ideas about some character trivia info but I'm not exactly sure how to proceed. It is related on possible name origins and/or inspirations like Enel and the electric company/energy that's why I'm asking here since it's a similar case. MasterDeva 09:25, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

It´s Enel, not Eneru
{| width="100%" align=center|- The following is a documented discussion over the subject of moving the page. The general consensus to moving page to Enel.
 * style="margin: 1px; background-color: lightblue; border: 1px solid #009E60; " valign=top |

The japanese people cant spell the L´s, so when they say Enel, they say Eneru because they trade the L´s with the R´s. And then, the funimation´s dub facilitated the name Eneru. So it´s not Eneru but Enel.--Kaze Kaze No Mi 15:41, October 24, 2009 (UTC) I forgot XD


 * Remember to sign your posts.


 * But yeah, I do agree. However, I think we'd have to come into some form of agreement before changing all mentioning of "Eneru" to "Enel". The Pope 12:41, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * We've got evidence for both I recall since both spellings have appeared in the Japanese versions, but not in the manga. One-Winged Hawk 12:44, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * That we do. And like I said above, watching the anime, I don't even hear the slightest "r" slur in there; it's a very hard "l". The Pope 12:46, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I just want to correct you, its not they can't spell "l" is "l" and "r" are one and the same in their language. Its how they pronounce things in their accent in English.  (Theres an old joke: "Egg fried rice?" or "Egg Flied Lice?") One-Winged Hawk 10:25, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I'd like the Wiki to come to some form of decision on this, so we can decide whether or not to rename the page to Enel. The Pope 04:06, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * If in doubt we can only list the sources and decide on the most appropriate. Incidently, Eneru I believe appear on SJ mags front cover and Enel appeared in a poll run by SJ mag. Or was it the other way round?  Either way, thats the most legit source after Oda, but these two problems are the ones I'm aware of.  I don't know how you would go about solving this issue.  One-Winged Hawk 09:27, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Aren´t the Chinese people who trade R´s with L´s ? with the Japanese is the opposite. --Kaze Kaze No Mi 15:52, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * The R and L thing applies to the Japanese as well due to contact with the Chinese in the ancient past. This is also kinda why there is "Zolo".Mugiwara Franky 15:57, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Theres others too... "B" and "V" sometimes get muddled up, "P" is sometimes included in that one too. "Th" and "Sh", not to mention "Du" and "Ju".  Loads of them the deeper you look into them.  "L" and "R" are the most common.  And theres also things like silent "u" to screw up the non-understanders even more.  One-Winged Hawk 18:14, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I think we should stick with Enel, since it's actually pronounced that way in the Japanese anime. The Pope 00:19, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

So, has it been decided which one we'll use in the wikia? It is confusing to refer to him as Enel and Eneru in the same article (for the readers) and on the other ones as well. It is time we reach a decision if not one has been made yet. MasterDeva 20:47, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * For the record I want to say that I'm in favor of Enel as the best choice since Japanese pronounce L as Eru when it's in the end of a name. Technically Eneru is correct as the romanization of his name but in English it's Enel and that's how it should be written here too. MasterDeva 20:59, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Since there are no objections, may I take it as the okay to continue with the changes!? MasterDeva 08:36, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * About Enel being used all over the article, that was somewhat of an illegal change made while this discussion was still going on. In the English versions, its Eneru. For the L being pronounced as Eru, sometimes its romanized as Eru I believe.Mugiwara Franky 09:11, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Since we have to abide by the translations made for the English version of the manga we should change all references to his name as Eneru. One thing is that name of the Italian electric company is Enel not Eneru, just because we are obliged to use Eneru let's not change the name of the company too! MasterDeva 09:38, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Since when did it matter what the English manga said? They also romanized Poneglyph as "Ponegliff". The Pope 15:31, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel and Eneru appeared in Jump Magazine as clear as day, as I said already. One on the front page and the other on the character poll.  All I can say is relisten to the anime folks and decide.  Either that or we look at what the Japanese fans are writing, if possible. One-Winged Hawk 09:41, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't know we had that flexibility! Enel is back on the table I guess. How are we going to decide this, we'll vote? MasterDeva 09:52, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well 1)I can't remember which way round it was... 2) whats more significant as evidence, the front page or the character poll? Character polls often have alternative spellings as it were that much I will note.  Their organised by S. Jump magazine.  On the other hand... So is the front page.  One-Winged Hawk 18:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

You're obviously on the wrong wikia if you think we have to "abide" by what Viz uses. Also that's completely false about Japanese people saying L as R. Watch more anime and actually listen. In Elfen Lied and Fairy Tail they say Lucy not Rucy. Also I'll vote for Enel because they are obviously saying it in the anime and K-F also used it. Drunk Samurai 18:05, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've explained before the "l" and "r" sound. Yes they can tell the difference but; Luffy even gets called "Ruffy" at times.  The same pronunciation for "l" exists for "r".  Listen to the anime closely, in your head you write "luffy" so you often miss when "Ruffy" comes up.  But anyway, I'm not going to argue all day about this... Lets end the discussion on ls and rs here.  We've got a name to discuss right here and now.  Anyone can read the previous comments and talk about ls and rs until the cows come home; "Enel" and "Eneru" won't be resolved THIS way.  We need a CLEAR resolution, like "Odz/Oz" becoming "Oars".  And since Oda's not supplied it, we have to find other sources.  Merchandise, games, S.J. Mag, these WILL resolve the issue, not the l and r argument.  So lets throw THAT particular argument away for once and just look at what we can find in other sources.  ^_- One-Winged Hawk 18:18, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Nope. I have never missed it. Since they never do it. Also neither merchandise or Shounen Jump is reliable. They called Jyabura Jabra. Drunk Samurai 18:25, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't remind me of that little spelling that causes hassle every so often. Well then we're back at square one; we have no proof which is correct.  To be honest though, I won't make judgments here since I'm not sure on the pronunciation here of the name myself. Skypiea and the Davy Fights are the two arcs I can't bring myself to rewatch after watching once.  To edit in conjunction with those arcs I've always gone back to the manga source rather then watch the anime.  Say does Stephen have his script up still, what did he use?  :-/  One-Winged Hawk 18:45, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I only said that we have to "abide" to the English version with the logic behind that if we don't have any source of reference from the official Japanese version (manga, databooks, etc) the next logic thing to do is use the next "official version" that is available. Do not misinterpret my words Drunk Samurai, that's what has happened in this wiki other cases until an alternative was found! One-Winged Hawk is right by the way, they have used Ruffy in the anime, the fact that you haven't noticed it still doesn't mean it's not there!! MasterDeva 19:40, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Not once has the official English version ever been used to name anything on this wikia. It goes against the guidelines. Also no they never say Ruffy. Only people who are trying to hear the r sound hear it. Drunk Samurai 20:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's not what I was trying to say! Never mind it's not exactly related to this issue we are facing here so I will let it slide. I am searching for a link to the anime to prove what One-Winged Hawk said, it might take a while but all I have to do is search in order to find it! To answer her question Stephen used Ener in his translations, I don't know if that is of any help or not. MasterDeva 20:19, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * For Ener to work it would be dependent on a Silent "u". As I said, I kinda haven't watched the arc more then one... Nor do I plan to. So lets put this much on the table; Are they or are they not pronouncing the "u".  Lets start with this little basic thing. One-Winged Hawk 20:36, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * For the most part they have used Eneru, especially during the last episodes of the Skypiea Arc of the anime. So, we have to choose between Enel or Eneru. MasterDeva 21:07, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * They pronounce it as "Enel" in the anime. The Pope 22:21, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * They have undeniably used Enel but Eneru has been used a lot more especially during the end of the arc. Still, my vote goes to Enel. MasterDeva 23:19, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Voting time!
Maybe its time we ran a vote... This isn't getting anywhere... One-Winged Hawk 23:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Closing Date: I forgot a closing date.... Okay lets make it next Friday (27th Nov). So next Friday, the votes are counted... Which is three so far. Then we'll decide then. One-Winged Hawk 15:13, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Reasons for Enel:

Reasons for Eneru:

Votes:
 * Abstain: I haven't the faintest idea... I've never seen Oda's version, I've seen both used in S.J.Mag. I'm just happy to have an issue resolved.  One-Winged Hawk 23:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: There's about just as much evidence for Eneru as there is Enel, and in the anime it's pronounced with a very firm "l"; absolutely no slur. The Pope 01:57, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: I agree with the above, Enel seems to be the best choice of the two and the one that fits best. Until we get a source from Oda that states exactly how it should be let's stick with this one and keep our antennas up for any news regarding this matter. MasterDeva 18:56, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: I agree with all the statements above. El Chupacabra 15:15, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: same as above--Swg66 17:12, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Enel: I agree with the above statements. Kaizoku-Hime 19:05, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: Agreed with The Pope. There is very little emphasis on the whole 'ru' syllable when his name is pronounced in the anime. Sephirona 19:27, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Enel: for above reasons --Croc117 22:03, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Eneru: No rival huh, reason is because this name is being used in our country. Coldhandzz 00:10, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, Viz and FUNimation's translations shouldn't always be taken as word of God. Otherwise, "Seven Warlords of the Sea" would be all over this Wiki. The Pope 02:48, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to mention this particular view is somewhat broken due to translation errors in the past... Eneru was also used by 4Kids and we all know the problems with that dub. Not to mention Viz is the company who I have had experience with bad translations in the past over, so should never be taken for granted.  A volume of Beyblade I brought shows on the back 2-4 spelling mistakes that only appear on THAT volume and should never have occurred (the inside book does not contain the spelling errors so who got it wrong on the cover?). FUNimation also isn't perfect but their better then most. One-Winged Hawk 10:40, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ener: It's a fair middle ground, and plays better on the "energy" pun in English. I've grown fond of Enel, but "Ener" would probably be more correct. If "Ener" isn't an option, then my vote goes for Enel. The "u" at the end of Eneru looks to be a Japanese grammatical issue. Cody2526
 * Enel: Since it is in Katakana, I suppose the u is not pronounced, so it is best if it is not written. Kdom 20:52, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * }