Talk:Sniper

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I have something to clear up here, why do the Horo horo no mi should be considered as a sniper? it was a devil fruit not a weapon, and the gun users should be prioritized with this while the cannon can be considered others. Coldhandzz 11:10, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * It has to be a gun of some sort, a firearm, long ranged weapon, etc. The Horo horo no mi is an explosive DF at its best thats all. One-Winged Hawk 14:32, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Aweful lot...
Seems to be the "Swordsman Fever" where everyone he holds a sword is automatically a swordsman even if they never use it is happening here with guns. One-Winged Hawk 13:15, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of the characters added here, like Franky, Capone, and Kizaru for instance, aren't exactly snipers per say. Franky uses guns but seems to rely more damage than accuracy. Capone has cannons but he isn't the one shooting them, his crew are. Kizaru shoots light but its somewhat no different than Aokiji shooting ice partisans or Akainu shooting out magma fists. Maybe characters that should be listed here are those who really act like true snipers like Usopp, Chew, and Daddy Masterson. They shoot stuff but it really seems like a skill rather than a random use of a projectile weapon.Mugiwara Franky 23:28, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly the point I'm making. One-Winged Hawk 00:06, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Heracles?
Why is Heracles on this page? I don't think we've ever seen him use any kind of ranged weapon. I know he trained Usopp in the use of Pop Greens, but I don't think there's any evidence that he taught him anything about being a sniper. I think he should be removed from the page. 16:41, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Dunzo. 06:26, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Braham
Why Braham isn't listed? 87.172.134.172 22:44, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

just cause someone uses guns doesnt mean theyre a sniper-- 22:47, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Trebol
Should Trebol be considered a sniper? We know he has the skills of one, as shown by his ability to easily headshot flies (Yasopp bragged about a similar feat as well, but with ants), and Robin did note his amazing hand-eye coordination. KingCannon (talk) 21:57, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Gunmen
Instead of just focusing on snipers, we should change the name to the swordsmen equivalent of firearm users called Gunmen and have Sniper as a section along with Gunner for artillery.--Rgilbert27 (talk) 07:58, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Sniper is a crew profession. "Gunman" isn't, nor has it ever really been treated as a class of fighters. 10:38, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

I know neither Gunmen or Gunner are terms used in the series but Axemen and Polearm Wielders are not used either, instead their used in temple galleries and seeing as Sniper is another type on gunman it would be better to put here then another temple gallery on the Firearm page seeing as there are as many gunman to swordsmen then axe and polearm users put together.--Rgilbert27 (talk) 12:02, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Marksmen
That's the term everyone is looking for. It's broad enough to encompass all kinds of ranged weaponry (pistol, rifle, sniper, cannon, slingshot etc.) and even long-ranged unarmed attacks if it comes to it, and it doesn't distinguish fighting skills. What it does connote is skill, which "gunner" doesn't necessarily - besides being restricted to gunpowder weapons, gunner can just be a task or responsibility and not necessarily a mastery or a high-precision job.

You have to read between the lines with certain translations, and know what terms are available to your target language. "Marksmen" is a perfectly adequate translation in the context of how the term is broadly used in the series.

Scrath Folchester (talk) 19:20, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

Random "snipers"
Who are exactly snipers? Anybody who shoots a gun? Are Arlong or Franky snipers? I think this term is a bit overused. Cracker-Kun (talk) 21:57, August 12, 2020 (UTC)

It's a crew profession that some characters identify themselves as. We identify them through a combination of skill, fighting style or official title since just wielding a gun doesn't make a sniper.

For example, archers are snipers by default since the skill to use a bow is much higher than that of a gun. A character like Bege is definitely a sniper since he primarily fights with a tommy gun and can hit faraway targets with ease. Meanwhile, Doflamingo isn't a sniper since his pistol and Tamaito are just occasional moves, and he doesn't have any marksman feats to speak of.

The term is not up to debate since it's an official crew position akin to Navigator or Shipwright. KingCannon (talk) 01:35, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

It is not actually like that "sniper" is anyone who carries a long range weapon like a rifle or an arc on a regular basis in combat, so the template we have is wrong, those who use short or medium range weapons like pistols should be removed, or the ones who literally use their hands like Katakuri or Jean Bart, that is not a sniper. Cracker-Kun (talk) 01:51, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

Izo uses pistols. Are you going to say he's not a sniper after disarming King with a bullet?

Yasopp showcased sniping skills with a pistol. Same for Bege. Usopp used a meager slingshot.

And then we have snipers that do not use any weapon at like Chew. Using hands should not disqualify someone from being a sniper. KingCannon (talk) 01:57, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, Izo is not a sniper, neither Chew, Usopp is a sniper, Yasopp is a sniper, Petermoo, Van Augur, most of the Kuja, everyone who uses a long range weapon, otherwise people like Madilloman or Pudding are marked as snipers in the template just because they use pistols. Cracker-Kun (talk) 02:09, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but you don't make any sense. Slingshots are not long-range weapons, but that never prevented Usopp from being a sniper. And Yasopp was already a sniper 10 years ago when we saw him just using a pistol.

Plus, Daddy Masterson is a sniper by title and he only uses handguns. Same for Mr. 7 and Miss Father's Day, who are referred as a "sniper duo" by Vivi and utilize pistols. KingCannon (talk) 02:16, August 13, 2020 (UTC)