Forum:Videos, Timestamps and MP3s

I know users have, more or less, talked about the following subjects before and I'm not the best of getting the point across but with recent changes in the fandom we should meet em with receptive hands.


 * 1) Videos: While episodes and specials may not be shown on this wikia, or linked to legal streaming sites with membership, videos that are only a couple minutes long, such as trailers, clips, music videos, interviews or more, should be considered if there from distributors with viewing platforms on pages related to them.
 * 2) Timestamps: I hope they become part of this Qref/contents someday, but if not in the near future then at least on Files and gilfs next to sources under a new template.
 * 3) MP3s: In-series dialogue maybe dismissed as audio but scores and songs should be given MP3s and see how often those tracks are used within the series.

For those that have been making as many edits as me may not want to discuss this but for those that do, and new to the discussion, I invite you take part and make a change. Rgilbert27 (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Discussion
I understand the desire to add videos and MP3s, but we have to be careful about copyright infringement. Short clips (less than 10 seconds) should be legally safe, but I am by no means an expert in this. I personally can't think of many instances where video is necessary, since we can show off most complex abilities with GIFs. There also aren't many interviews to speak of. However, I may not be thinking of the right examples. If you habe specific examples of where video would be beneficial, I am open to hearing them.

Another issue is management. As nice as it is to include video/audio, they are another thing admins/mods like me would have to oversee. Policing for length, watermarks, sourcing, etc. is not impossible, but it is important to consider the additional workload that would put on staff.

I don't think timestamps are necessary in references. Our anime content is already majorly lacking compared to manga and other media types (the latter thanks to the concentrated efforts of a handful of users). Most episode pages are stubs, and a lot of anime-specific information is poorly references, like anime-only characters. While this doesn't stop us from adding timestamps, I feel like we should get our content straightened out before we create more work and raise the very high barrier we have to climb.

Timestamps present another management/oversight issue. Who will add timestamps to existing references? Just because we add it, will users actually use it? We have parameters for referencing specific pages, but most users, including significant contributors on wiki staff, do not use them. It usually boils down to editing preference: some like page numbers, some don't. We don't police edits, and we don't want to. Timestamps feel like the page numbers of chapter references. Would they be helpful? Yes. Will people actually use them? Maybe, maybe not. Do I, as a mod, want to enforce rules about adding them or badger people to do so? Absolutely not.

I appreciate the desire to add these things, and if we had all of our ducks in a row, I would be more open to timestamps. But we don't build a house starting with the roof. We need to have a more solid foundation of anime content and references before we can add more work. 11:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

I think he meant linking to videos? Or maybe embed, if that's possible? I don't really like the idea of having videos being played on the pages (those Fandom ones already bother me soo much), but I don't see why not linking to official releases of videos (for example, the 1000 Logs celebrations made an special video for a steak restaurant collab and made it available on YouTube. They're not illegally uploading anything, therefore we're not complying to anything illegal if we do link to them).

As for timestamps, I think Noland has a really good point, but I can think of another problem: whose time are we stamping? The time of someone who recorded the episode on TV, and then they see ads and what-not in between? The time of someone who saw through Funimation, and then saw the logo at the beginning? The time of someone who saw from a Japanese broadcast and therefore there's no logo before the episode? If the same exact frame can be shown at different timestamps, then I think it's disservice to mark them. Unless, of course, we're talking about the time on a official video anyone can go there and check...

For the MP3s, I'm pretty sure that uploading them will infringe copyright. Linking to official streaming websites (though there probably aren't? Dunno) might be cool, but I'm not sure. Jessica Ilha (talk) 12:11, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Where it can be said for videos, a new section can be made where they are under a gallery. We can start with clips, trailers and music videos from distributors like FUNimation, Crunchyroll and Avex. While we may not know how to manage timestamps we can break down the episode where the eyecatchers begin and end into acts, Act I and II, and see where can go from there. I don't know how to upload MP3s, or where to find them, but it can help users name tracks that are remixed and extended at times during the series.

The timestamps would start when the program starts, not when the logos starts, anything between the eyecatchers do not count. If I name a couple wikias that use MP3s would anyone care to know how they do it is okay for us or will other users like to name some wikias first? Rgilbert27 (talk) 13:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)