Forum:How to handle Live-Action content

The purpose of this discussion is to decide how content for the Live-Action series should be handled on the wiki and discuss what people's ideas and suggestions are. There are a few initial options available to us for how the content from the series should be added to the wiki.


 * Images for the live-action versions of the characters could be added to the character's infoboxes or gallery sections, or neither.
 * New subheadings could be added to the character's pages listing differences between the manga and the live-action versions.
 * New pages entirely could be created for the live-action versions of the characters, with a tabber or other navigation option connecting the pages to their manga/anime counterparts.

None of these are a total necessity but we need to cover what the most optimal solution is for the wiki before the series begins on August 31st so that we have a plan in place.Damage3245 (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion
Personally, I think we should treat the live-action the same way we treat the anime; images in the infobox and sections on character pages to explain any media differences. The only issue I see with this is if the live-action is radically different, to the point where that section is too large, but based on the trailer we got it seems that won't be the case.

We also need to decide how we're going to treat the live-action with regards to Story Arcs, especially whether or not they should be included in relevant templates (such as Romance Dawn Arc). I think they should be, but other people may disagree. Walrsu (talk) 20:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I think it would be best if we add the live-action images in the gallery and added a "Live-Action Debut" in the infobox. We also need a new Non-Canon template for the live-action, and a "Manga and Live-Action Differences" section. And I agree on adding the episodes to the arc templates. Hollowhen (talk) 23:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding the debut to the infobox makes sense but it can probably go in the normal debut row, along with the anime and manga debut. There's no reason for a new non-canon template; the existing template doesn't specify why something is non-canon, so it can apply to the live-action as well. Walrsu (talk) 00:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree that pictures should go in galleries and a Live-Action Differences section should work. I am firmly opposed to creating new pages or subpages unless a character ends up having a fundamentally different role - a possible example of such would be if live action Klahadore ended up not being the villain Kuro.

One thing to keep in mind is that if the series is not renewed for additional seasons, it will end up being nothing more than a blip in the franchise and on this wiki. Treating it equivalently to the manga and anime at this time would be extremely premature, and age poorly if the show dies a swift death. If it sticks around and covers a significant portion of the plot - say, past Alabasta or Skypiea - then my mind may change on some things, like whether live action pics should go in infoboxes. But that is a discussion for if/when the show gets that far. If the show doesn't make it past Season 1, I would even advocate for scaling back the level of coverage that I'm fine with currently.

If people want to cover the live-action characters and other subjects more directly and thoroughly than just side notes on our existing pages, I would suggest creating a separate wiki that is devoted entirely to the live action. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 01:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I honestly believe that just putting the images in the galleries would work best. There's no way to know how long this series will go for, so it would be odd for some characters to have tabs for live actions when most don't. There's also characters with radical changes(like Usopp not having his long nose), which would seem odd in relation to the anime and manga images. ethan2awesome (talk)

I agree with everything Kaido said. Plus obviously any original characters should get pages, but tbd how many there will be (if any). 02:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

There is absolutely now reason why the images should be in the infobox. The information can just be put on the live action page itself too. SeaTerror (talk) 03:36, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Like everyone else says, put live action content in character and location sections but if we could, we can create live action page for each character or put them in existing character pages with the live action sections and make differences of manga and live action.

Joekido (talk) 04:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Kaido and the majority here. Images in galleries, not infoboxes. Live-action differences section, no separate pages for live-action versions. 11:05, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Personally I'm most in favor of creating separate pages for live-action versions but I acknowledge that if the Live-Action series were to be cancelled after one series then a whole bunch of pages for it would be too much work for too little. So I'll also agree that live-action images should go in galleries, there should be a subsection on the page for live-action differences, and if in future there are too many divergences then we can re-examine the situation and decide if separate pages are necessary. Damage3245 (talk) 11:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Well i'm good either way on the format. Val - There are no strings on me (talk ) 17:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

A bit late to the party here, my apologies! My preference is to create new pages for live action content. When I attended Fandom's Community Connect event earlier this year, I asked people from other wikis with live action/other adaptations how they handled their content. Most advised separate pages, and they were not dealing with the sheer volume of content that One Piece has.

At the very least I think they would be helpful for characters like the Straw Hats and others that have hit the threshold to get tabs. Maybe just "Live Action" tabs for those characters that then follow the traditional article format within the tab.

I'm worried about a few things, mainly a potential influx of new editors, new images, and other content that will be hard to police if we try to limit to sections. I'd like for us to remain the top One Piece fandom as well, and integrating the Live Action into our wiki with top shelf content, not just a "live action differences" section is the best way to that.

Handling things like potential categorization issues gets complex as well. What happens when minor characters who are in the Shells Town category also end up in the Orange Town category because the live action series combines the two stories in one place?

Someone uploaded an image of Belemere's grave in the Live Action series today. If we don't have clear guidelines of how deep we are or are not going with Live Action content, every one of these types of images will turn into a disagreement. I'd like to try to at least get this forum off the ground to have clear policies BEFORE the series is released in a couple weeks. 03:09, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I've changed my stance on live-action pages, and now think that they should be created. It can be implemented as a tab at the top of any relevant pages connecting both versions; in the case of characters already using tabs, it can be the last one. Based on changes the episodes seem to make (from the short summaries that have been released) it already seems like too much to be contained in one section - for anyone who hasn't yet, I recommend reading the summaries of the live-action episodes, taking note of changes related to Koby's involvement especially.

Notably, I think there should either be live-action pages of everything or nothing. Only having live-action pages for certain things would make it much more difficult for other users to navigate.

Other than that, my stance is the same as before. As JSD pointed out, little actual policy has been decided on yet, so I'm going to summarize the points here, along with general consensus if applicable.

Walrsu (talk) 03:24, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Should images be added in character infoboxes, galleries, or neither?
 * 2) *Consensus was galleries, but this is moot if new live-action pages are created.
 * 3) Should live-action content be included in subsections on a page (ex. "Live-Action Differences") or on a new page (ex. "Monkey D. Luffy (Live-Action)")?
 * 4) *Current consensus seems to be live-action subsections, but that was decided before plot summaries and so may need to be revisited.
 * 5) *If no new pages are created, should live-action debuts be included in the infobox?
 * 6) Should live-action episodes be included in arc-related navigation, such as templates, arc pages, categories, and the Story Arcs page? Should they only be included in some of these, and if so, which ones?

Well i would very much like to add outfit images to the character galleries from the live action series like with the gallery sections above. Val - There are no strings on me (talk ) 03:26, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Here's my stance on the live-action content: 1. All characters should have an image, either in the gallery or in a "live-action differences" section. But nowhere else. 2. We should include things like Devil Fruits and maybe even islands or ships as well. They're treated the same like point #1. We don't need images of anything else, like Bell-mere's grave or Usopp's Ginga Pachinko. 3. A separate section for the live-action outfits in each of the Straw Hats' outfit galleries wouldn't be a bad idea. 4. Episode pages, and a page on the series itself. We don't need any other page. 5. A category for characters who appear in the live-action series. Maybe even split by arcs or seasons if it gets there. 6. Since arcs are going to be different, we should consider a "live-action differences" section for each arc page. Maybe even combined with the "anime differences" section. I don't think this is necessary in character pages, unless there's a HUGE major difference (like Arlong Pirates at the Baratie) 7. If it comes to it, maybe a whole page listing off all the differences in the whole show? I like when Wikis do that.

That's all I can think of for the time being. I think these sort of guidelines will generally work to not over-inflate the show's impact on the franchise and it can work for future seasons as well. 03:31, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

No new pages. There's no reason for them because as far as we know they're just copying the manga in a live action form. The only exception should be if they create their own new stuff like a new Devil Fruit. All of the images should be put in the gallery section because that is what it is for. SeaTerror (talk) 11:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree with new pages. We know that the Live-Action version isn't simply a 1 to 1 adaptation of the manga/anime. They're cutting material, they're adding material, and they're swapping around some of the material. New pages would be far more beneficial than just a subsection for differences. Damage3245 (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

While I support separate pages for most characters & pages, I do think there's also a place for different sections for smaller cameos, etc. I think making clear criteria for when a separate Live Action page is necessary. Like if the section needs more than one paragraph, one image, or if it requires different categorization, etc. What do we think would be appropriate criteria for this?

As far as images go, I've thought on it a bit. I think if the image is of a named object, important location, etc anything that got its own page from the rest of the series, its live-action equivalent should be included somewhere on the wiki. Usopp's Ginga Pachinko should have an image on the current page for the Ginga Pachinko. I don't think the Ginga Packinko needs its own Live-action page, but its image is important to have. If we deemed it important enough to include on the wiki, then its live action inclusion should be somewhere on the wiki. But scenes like Luffy Beats Alvia, etc don't need to exist anywhere else outside of the episode/season summary. Infobox images should only be necessary if subject meets the criteria to get its own page.

For things like arc pages and the like, I think it's best organize things a little differently. Let's make Season pages for the live action and keep the content there instead of bulking up the already massive arc pages. Then navboxes and categories get a bit easier to manage. And track the differences only on the season page. And then simply make a small section on the Manga/Anime arc page that just links to the Season page. It's only one season so far, I don't see a reason to make duplicates of EVERY arc so far, when the whole series is only 8 episodes. 13:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm also against splitting all content into new pages. With how quickly they're moving through the plot, it'll make for rather small, empty pages. For most, a Live-Action Differences section would more than suffice, even for the supposed changes to Koby's story.

I do agree with including images of the individual outfits in galleries and not including every shot of a prop and set, unless there is a change of some significance.

Since it looks like they're covering most, if not all, of the first saga in the first season, I think we could drop the season summary in the East Blue Saga article as its own section. That'll help fill out that page and contain the season summary in one location rather than scattering it across the individual arcs' articles. Of course, the plot changes would still be noted in the arc articles, and the corresponding episodes listed in the Arc templates. However, I think don't think the live-action episodes should be categorized by arc. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:34, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Well i have just uploaded some outfit images from the Live Action series. Val - There are no strings on me (talk ) 18:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Would a poll help? Val - There are no strings on me (talk ) 19:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, that would not be helpful at this time. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is that? Val - There are no strings on me (talk ) 20:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * 1) Like JSD mentioned, I think rules regarding images/pages/etc. should apply to anything with a page on the wiki, including characters, weapons, Devil Fruits, etc.
 * 2) I still think we should have full subpages for live-action content, but do want to clarify what I mentioned previously; when I said "there should either be live-action pages of everything or nothing" I meant the policy should be applied equally to anything with a page. Subpages for characters like Motzel, who are functionally just cameos, is definitely excessive.
 * 3) *Like JSD mentioned, if new pages are created, there should be some kind of clear criteria for when it's necessary. I don't think that criteria should be based around differences from the manga though; for example, if Kuroobi's involvement is virtually the same as the source but the rest of the Arlong Pirates are significantly different, having pages for them but not Kuroobi would be confusing. Maybe a criteria based around importance in the plot makes sense? Something like "if they appear in at least 3 episodes, or are a significant member of a protagonist or antagonist group" (i.e. Krieg, Gin, and Pearl, but not Ideaman, Kagikko, or Hustle).
 * 4) Nada also mentioned a category for characters appearing in the live-action, which I disagree with. That would presumably just be most characters, and as we don't have something similar for the anime, it seems unnecessary.
 * 5) ST mentioned creating new pages for completely new content, which I assumed was a given; there's no reason to treat new non-canon content from the live-action any differently than other non-canon content, like anime filler.
 * 6) Nada mentioned having a page listing differences in the whole show; I think that could work as a subpage of the live-action series page, essentially like the Voice Actor pages for Toei, Funimation, 4Kids, and Odex. Alternatively, listing differences on episode pages could work, like the Anime Notes sections on episodes.
 * 7) If live-action episodes don't end up being included with arcs, I think DN's idea of including the season on the East Blue Saga page is a good idea. As it stands, though, I would support treating them like anime episodes in everything except categorization - included in navigation templates, arc page infoboxes, the Story Arcs page, and saga pages.

Another thing that should probably be decided on is whether or not to include the adapted chapters in the live-action episode infoboxes, and vice-versa. My stance is to include adapted chapters on the episode pages, but not the episodes on the chapter pages - but that may not be a consensus, so it should be decided on as well. Walrsu (talk) 21:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

If we are going to make new pages for the live-action versions then the episodes should be somewhere in references. There is also enough content for the versions from the Boss Luffy story to have their own pages and references.

Off topic if we make non-canon subpages that just covers the content outside the manga then we should make sure there is enough for Appearance, Relationships, History and Filler Battles sections. Personality, Trivia, Abilities and Powers sections should also be considered as well from seeing how Nami behaved to kids earlier in the series and Robin's actions from the third special and G-8 Arc.

There should not just be a page for the first season, which could just be on the series page till the next season comes out, but pages for seasons that make up the anime as well and not just as categories or by arc.

While the sagas that make up the first half of the series have a source only the Wano Country Arc has been named while the rest are conjectural with said source for the first half has it seem they do not start/end where the anime stops at or this wiki.

Rgilbert27 (talk) 19:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Should the Wiki change the wordmark and the background for when the live action series premieres? Val - There are no strings on me (talk ) 18:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Only for the brief period it would be considered spoiler after said premiere. Rgilbert27 (talk) 19:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

My stance is still the same as before, mostly aligning with Dragonus Nesha's statements as well. Only exclusively live-action content needs separate pages, changes can be covered in a Live-Action Differences section. Maybe the Straw Hats could get a separate tabs if this gets more seasons. And there's no need to upload images of every single thing in live-action. 15:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Should there be a page for Netflix? Val - There are no strings on me (talk ) 19:24, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

No. They are not a One Piece related company. SeaTerror (talk) 16:49, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * What about Tomorrow Studios then? Val - There are no strings on me (talk ) 17:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. We have pages for Toei Animation, Shonen Jump, and Funimation, but I think those are more relevant to the One Piece franchise as a whole, and naturally lead to their own subpages like actors and DVD releases. Not so much for Tomorrow Studios. Plus, the info on that would likely be the same for the article on the Netflix show itself, with maybe the addition of "They also did Snowpiercer and Cowboy Bebop". For right now, I feel like the article for the live-action series would have the necessary info. 17:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah. <font color="Crimson">Val - There are no strings on me (<font color="Crimson">talk ) 17:57, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Should there be a link to the episodes on Netflix in the Episode Infobox? <font color="Crimson">Val - There are no strings on me (<font color="Crimson">talk ) 18:48, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

This could be similar to the Harry Potter Fandom where they use live action pictures when describing events and having character profile picture having a live action pictures or do a anime/manga/live action header.

Joekido (talk) 09:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

So having finished this first season, there are definitely characters and stories that I believe are different enough to warrant their own pages. All the Straw Hats, Garp, Koby, etc. have enough differences in history and personality, etc to warrant that I believe. Other characters don’t have much different I’d say, like Patty, Nojiko, Makino, etc.

Where I still think we run into problems without separate pages are in a couple places:
 * 1) Different categorizations for characters. Ex, Zoro is stated to be the First Mate in the live action, whereas he’s explicitly not in the manga/anime.
 * 2) I think if we’re going to limit content to a single section, we’re going to have a hard time keeping that section small. Editors are going to want to add the full Live Action history for Garp, and it will be difficult to stop them from doing it. I worry that it will be harder for us to deal with than Yamato vandalism, because at least in those cases we can just ban.

Those are my thoughts for now, I’m sure I’ll have more as time goes on. 06:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I could agree with that but compared to the manga, some of the live action characters do not get that much attention and their roles are short. Meanwhile we should add a live action section above the characters profile

Joekido (talk) 06:28, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I've finished the first season as well, and I still think Live-Action Differences sections are enough to cover the series. Characters are mostly the same, only the plot plays out somewhat differently. Probably the biggest changes are some characters having their roles reduced or removed, which also means there's nothing to cover. I don't think there's enough to warrant new pages or subpages, even for the Straw Hats. We could reassess this with future seasons, but right now the faster pace of the show also means there's less plot to write about.

In addition, it seems that a separate wiki focused primarily on the live-action series has been created over at One Piece Live Action Wiki, so people can go there for live-action version character articles. 08:11, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

If we have to give characters an anime profile pictures, why not live action too? It would make a lot of sense. logically we should take anime character profile picture and keep them manga while anime only goes the gallery. It doesn't hurt to give the live action the same respect. Same we have to treat the anime with respect we should give the live action as well.

Joekido (talk) 18:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Well the live action wiki just got deleted without being discussed by fandom staff beforehand it was hardly a duplicate wiki. <font color="Crimson">Val - There are no strings on me (<font color="Crimson">talk ) 16:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

That doesn't seem right, it clearly had a different focus with pages for actors and everything. I suggest reaching out to staff to try and get it reinstated. 16:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I very much intend to BTW thanks for the support. <font color="Crimson">Val - There are no strings on me (<font color="Crimson">talk ) 16:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Should i make a poll for the Live Action on whether there should be one or not? <font color="Crimson">Val - There are no strings on me (<font color="Crimson">talk ) 17:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Should I make a poll about putting live action pictures in the picture profile like we did with anime?

Joekido (talk) 18:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)