Talk:Koby

Coby or Koby?
I realize the direct romanization would be koby, because nothing romanizes into a C, but the traditional spelling(at leas there in the US) is Coby. I don't think Koby, Kory, or Kody are officially recognized names, but Coby, Cory, and Cody are. I know, the other 2 names are unrelated, but they are similar and all use C. KF also uses Coby. So which one should we go with? Cody2526 00:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I kinda agree that we should go with "Coby" just because it apparently seems more recognizable. Until it's written differently by Oda in the upcoming One Piece Yellow or whatever, I guess we should go with Coby. Kinda like what happened with Thriller Bark and Arabasta.Mugiwara Franky 04:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not bothered by either name. Most people seem to use Koby. Its not a unheard of spelling... But I guess its back to Brook or Brooke kind of thing. I'm not sure which I prefer I'll add that. One-Winged Hawk 08:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Is Coby a "Chief Petty Officer"? Because I read/heard somewhere that he was a "Sergeant Major".


 * There are no sergeants in the navy. Also, there's a list with all of the ranks of the navy on the cover page on chapter 432, and there's no "sergeant major" on there. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/ You probably just read a sketchy translation. Slayerlx 00:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What about Marine Ranks?

Shouldn't it be Koby now? Hasn't it been confirmed to be Koby for sure and not Coby? Drunk Samurai 21:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

His Name
This needs to be settled. I've mostly seen his name spelled as Koby so why is it spelled Coby here? SeaTerror 19:24, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Voice in head that died
Coby stated that a voice in his head had died, should we mention this somewhere?Biropg 21:08, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he too is awakening that mantra-like haki but its propably too soon to be sure UsoppSpell 20:07, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

okBiropg 22:19, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Other
Wasn't the reason he fell unconcious after Shanks arrival the Haki ? Coby had the bubbles from his mouth and we know Shanks used Haki because he was able to stop Akainu's lava punch.

Scual 23:41, March 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * That or the belief that he was going to die because of Akainu which made him faint. As for bubbles and froth from the mouth, Perona had pretty much the same expression when she thought that she would die by Usopp's hand. But for the purpose of this article it is irrelevant what made him faint, it should just state that he fainted. Going any deeper into it, results in speculation.--Uncanny Ultrabeast 23:19, March 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was sure of that and even edit it... but when I saw that someone had changed that, I asked here. So if it's not sure, ok.Scual 12:12, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Scar on his left foot?
When is this even seen? I don't remember there being an instance in either manga or Anime when we even see his feet to prove there's a scar there. Subrosian 05:52, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Coby's Picture - Past or Present
For most other characters, we show a picture of how they looked in their introduction then alternative and later appearances below. Garp is probably the only exception I'll agree with somewhat as then we never saw his face and a whole picture of him.

Am I allowed to change his picture to a "start of the plot" one, of course, his current (and soon to be outdated anyway) look below? --One Piece Of Romance Dawn 03:30, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually its suppose to be their most common appearance, updated as the appearance updates. sadly, from what I see the rest like the straw hats weren't updated because theres not a good image yet. One-Winged Hawk 13:36, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Is the promotion to captain canon?
I've noticed that people have added the picture stating that he was promoted to the rank of captain and that he will be appearing in Z. But since Z is (currently) considered a non-canon movie, would that also make Coby's promotion non-canon? 15:17, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Oda's working on the movie and provided the drawings, and there's absolutely no reason for him to provide false ranks. There might be a bonus chapter sometime soon (like Chapter 0 for Strong World) that will contain the information as well, but if the information's come from Oda I don't see any reason to doubt its accuracy and canon status. 15:35, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

That's assuming there's even a manga tie-in at all. For now, treat it as non-canon. 16:13, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like to see some translations, rather than promises of "Oda said so." 16:27, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Blue box next to Coby: 曹長 → 大佐 (Master Chief Petty Officer to Captain)


 * Blue box next to Helmeppo: 軍曹 → 少佐 (Chief Petty Officer to Lieutenant Commander)
 * Kanji are on the Marine Ranks page.


 * Heading says something like: "The combination has grown in fame! Two years later, Cobymeppo enters!!"
 * Also in the middle: Anime first! Promoted Coby and Helmeppo (already have a big role to play?) Rumour has it, Coby has (mastered) Rokushiki!?
 * The middle paragraph needs checking, but I think that's the gist of it. 23:24, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Should it really count as canon if it's just concept art? Until the movie comes out (implying the movie is possibly canon), these characters/artwork/rankings have no tie-ins to the story. Until their respective appearance appears, they don't even exist. 16:29, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mr. 10. Miss Tuesday. Might want to remove those pages too then. 23:24, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, because that's the only images that exist of them. 01:00, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

It's also completely out of context. For all we know it's a "what-if" glimpse into the future and neither of them have been promoted at all. 16:42, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Do you really think they haven't been promoted at all? 23:24, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Just a question, but where do all of these concept sketches come from? Shonen Jump? 23:33, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. The issue containing Chapter 687. Full images are in this Arlong Park thread. 23:58, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

I believe that it says they've been promoted and stuff, but where's the part that proves whether it's canon or not? 00:16, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Someone in the forum mentioned "overseen by Oda". Not sure if we already knew that or what..... 00:17, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know someone said that, I'd just like to hear it from a translation, not an AP forums member. I just want us to be able to source our information a little better that "guy on AP forums said so." 00:22, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, if we can get someone to confirm this, does it mean that the entire Film Z is canon? It's not like Oda's writing it (as far as we know), which I believe was the case for Strong World. 00:37, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * We considered Strong World canon because it was written by Oda himself. In Film Z, it's being written by Osamu Suzuki. Oda is serving as executive producer for Film Z, meaning he oversees everything to make sure it's done how he wants it. So the question then is, what makes the canonical canon? Writing, or producing? 01:00, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think the level of involvement we are seeing is good enough to call this canonical. If Oda is working in promotions and stuff like this, it probably means that he intends to make this a part of the storyline. And unless I'm mistaken, the forum also mentioned a manga tie-in like the whole Chapter 0 thing for Strong World. 01:05, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Level of involvement my foot. It wasn't written by him, so it's not canon. But here's an idea, how about we wait until it comes out so we can see the CONTEXT in which these guys are promoted. 02:20, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. You've locked the page though. I say remove the information from the article, and just add it into trivia and keep the page locked until we know more. 02:23, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can agree with that. Although there's also the possible chance that Oda came up with the story for it, but Suzuki just wrote the screenplay. Sometimes whoever comes up with the story is different than the writer. If that's the case, we'd after to wait for the credits to come out. As far as we know, Oda's only job is Executive Producer, which is actually the most important part in the crew. 02:25, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Z may not be canon, but Oda DID write the new info about the ranks of Coby and Helmeppo, therefore it is canon. 02:24, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * How do you know Oda wrote it? I haven't seen any translations that say Oda wrote anything... 02:28, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Oda does a lot of character designs for movies, that doesn't make them canon. Oda dropping a spoiler about a movie does not make it canon.02:29, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

No offense to you guys but I think it's a mistake to consider these promotions non canon, we know Oda was involved with this Film,the translations said so ,and Aohige of Arlong Park Forums is a very capable translator if not THE translator people refer to. They will appear in the anime first,before the manga.

What is the confusion? You'll have to change it sooner or later ,might as well get it over with.Hordy4040 (talk) 03:58, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

If we go by Oda's involvement, then that would mean every movie is canon. 04:19, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

If we leave it non-canon and add it later, it won't be a problem. If we make it canon, it will create a ton of confusion even within the fanbase. And I don't mean "Montblanc D. Noland" or "armless Zoro" confusion. This'll be much worse. It's non-canon until proven canon. 04:21, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

All Oda does it provide designs for certain characters and that's it. These are characters that are already established manga characters, so of course Oda's involvement in this is far more significant than his Movie 8 involvement, or Don Accino involvement. These are canon promotions.. but whatever, we can wait for "Chapter Z" for you guys to accept it. 04:50, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Always better safe than sorry. 04:56, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

That image says アニメ先行 (the anime precedes the manga). Post timeskip Coby, Helmeppo, and Kuzan, Borsalino are canon. Do you really think Coby will not be a captain even though Oda himself drew him? --Klobis (talk) 08:40, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

"The anime precedes the manga" - that's a pretty cryptic statement. It could just mean that we see them first in anime, but seeing them doesn't necessarily equal "canon". If people really wanna trust it though, I guess it could be added. We'd have to keep a close eye on further announcements to see if we can get a better idea of canonicity. 17:25, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

I totally see where you guys are coming from ,but Ive never seen the movies or anime take such liberties with Oda's canon characters to where  they'd actually  "create" facts about them that would contradict what he may write in the future,it just wouldn't make much sense, why wouldn't he stop them? or at least advise on the situation

Obviously these promotions are a big deal for the series since they not only will they debut in their own anime episode but in the Film Z as well, which we know Oda consulted on and POSSIBLY a special manga chapter ala Chapter 0.

Should at least be mentioned in the article somewhere if anything. Hordy4040 (talk) 21:00, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

The Coby and Helmeppo things are in the new SBS. Source:. Now can we please readd the information? 22:12, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

This? I don't really see the difference... 22:37, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

The difference is that it is stated in the SBS, and therefore canon. 01:27, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

We have animated footage of Coby's and Helmeppo's design. Watch the second trailer of One Piece Episode of Luffy ~ Hand Island Adventure, you will see around 0:06 see Coby, which could make a proper picture for his wiki. And right after that you see a scene with Coby and Helmeppo standing next each other. (both have new clothing, so it is their timeskip versions) 77.249.113.236 17:03, November 11, 2012 (UTC)Sir Crocodile

Coby has mastered Rokushiki and he also has an advanced Kenbunshoku
In the film Z issue 1000's rough sketch, drawn by Oda, says "Coby has mastered Rokushiki" and he also has advanced CoO. In Oda's own handwriting.

Proof? http://i.imgur.com/m5SGBiN.jpg Oda's involvement has actual solid, on-paper-proof.

Credits: Aohige_AP  http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=38529&p=2862223&viewfull=1#post2862223

Ssj7 (talk) 17:39, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Well, how about that. 17:54, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Volume 1000 isn't canon. Oda said so himself. SeaTerror (talk) 18:37, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

The characters' post timeskip improvements are canon. 18:48, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'd believe it, though I'd like to see a translation. And ST, do you have any proof to back that up? 18:50, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

The same reason why we don't consider Z canon. SeaTerror (talk) 18:52, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we consider Z non-canon because of some statement from Oda that's like "I don't want readers of the manga to be confused." That makes all the content from the movies non-canon, but it doesn't really say anything about the special volumes. I bet Oda just intends to re-introduce Coby in the manga with proper explanation, but he'll be exactly the same as the volume describes. And if the stuff that started this section is true, it's just further proof that this information is canon. 18:57, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

It should still be added. 19:14, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

If his "new powers" aren't canon,his rank isn't canon either.Go change his rank too. 19:15, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with SHL. For the ones who disagree, they should check up on the policies... ^_^  19:32, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

"check up on the policies"?? 19:48, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

What polices? The one that says "allow speculation on articles?" I don't think that one exists. SeaTerror (talk) 23:31, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

His rank and powers are CANON. It's in the SBS. 23:36, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

You said only the rank was in the SBS. You said nothing about the powers. SeaTerror (talk) 23:50, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Powers can be marked with the non-canon template. 23:51, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's canon since it has to do with the character, and not the film. He's talking about Coby and what he can do, not about him doing anything in the movie.

The movie isn't canon therefore something accompanying the movie is non canon. The only thing that is canon is his rank since it was said in an SBS. SeaTerror (talk) 00:03, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

We're looking at yet another argument where only ST is the only one who's against it. How long until we just make the decision already? 01:22, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

It has already been made. Just ignore him and do it. 01:44, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Time to change the speculation rule on articles to "Everything speculation is allowed". SeaTerror (talk) 03:55, April 3, 2013 (UTC)