Forum:Renaming Devil Fruit Pages

Alright, I know this subject is probably going to be heavily debated, but I want to get this out there: I believe that we should rename the Devil Fruit pages. More specifically, I think we should translate "no Mi" into "Fruit". Recently, it has started to bother me that we choose to leave that part untranslated in the names, but everywhere else we simply call them what they are: fruits. We have a Devil Fruit page that talks about different types of fruits, but for some reason all the fruit names have that "no Mi" instead of the simple translation.

"Well, we might as well call Gomu Gomu no Mi the Rubber Rubber Fruit then!" Well, no. The first part of the Devil Fruit names is usually something that's impossible to translate properly: Onomatopoeias, shortened words etc. They're written katakana, which unlike Kanji, has no meaning. It's simply a syllabary that's used for "names of plants, animals, minerals, and often Japanese companies", for example. The two syllable naming theme would also be lost in translation. The fruit part is clear, though: It's written with Kanji and has a clear translation. I really see no reason for us not to translate it.

Now, I know some of you are going to be against this due to the "half-translation" aspect. But I'd like to point out that we already use half-translations for quite a number of pages. For example, islands.

Kyuka Island, Yukiryu Island, Nanimonai Island, Kenzan Island, Karakuri Island

The first part means something in Japanese in all of them, but we leave it untranslated. Yet "shima/-tō" is translated into "Island". You could argue that the first part is the name of the island, while island is just what it is, but one can make the exact same argument for Devil Fruits. 21:42, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion
Seems like a pretty decent idea to me. No reason to have to explain what "no mi" means on every Devil Fruit page. We'll have to move and rename a lot, but seems worth it to make it easier to understand for the reader. 21:44, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Islands are different than fruits. The proper noun usage is different. Island is already an accepted title ending in English nomenclature. 3-Mile Island for instance (which coincidentally is what I see this turning into). But you don't hear people buying a bushel of apple fruits. This will snowball into us eventually having 100+ active polls on what English sound effect we should name each fruit. By seeing the whole title in Japanese (or romaji or whatever it is), people understand that there's a cultural meaning behind the fruit's name, which is why we aren't touching it. Like the Tamatebako. It will raise all kinds of confusion about wtf a Pamu or a Bara is. It's best kept in stasis until a databook comes out with English names. 21:56, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

It won't raise any more confusion than the current names already do. In fact, it'll raise less. Seeing the article name, they'll instantly know it's a fruit, even if they're completely unfamiliar with One Piece. They won't know what a Pamu or a Bara is either way; the cultural meaning stays intact in that part. This doesn't have to lead into mass debates about each of the names, all I'm suggesting is that "no Mi" becomes "Fruit". 22:17, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

My gripe is that a person who isn't aware what "no Mi" means is going to click on the DF link for the exact same reason they click on the "Pamu Pamu" bit - to find out what it means. If they don't know what the DF is, they click the link, and they find out what it is. You can't honestly expect people to not twig that the "no Mi" ending means fruit after seeing a full DF name more than once. Once they've done that, they know that ending isn't important to the translation. It's not like someone is going to click the Gomu Gomu no Mi page, then the Mera Mera no Mi page, and be confused as to what the ending means.

23:14, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

This was actually discussed way back then, when we once used something like "the Gomu Gomu no Mi, also known as the Gomu Gomu Fruit", which we decided against as it is a mix of different languages. It's like using Spanish to teach a Chinese course. 23:20, December 8, 2014 (UTC)