Forum:Can luffy go up against an admiral or smoker now.

Would be better if u used a blog 19:36, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

We don't know, because he hasn't fought them yet. That's about all you can say. 19:37, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

An Admiral and Smoker are not the same, I think he can tie/barely beat Smoker but would lose against an Admiral. 19:58, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

You're forgetting that Oda likes to let his characters exceed expectations. I think that Luffy's on par with a young Gold Rodger now that he has decent Haki control. He still has a lot of growing left to do, but I'm betting that Smoker doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating him. Regular admirals and weak shichibuka may give him a challenge later in the series, but only the toughest guys in the storyline are capable of beating him now.

Well you have to remember that Smoker also as a recurring opponent is getting stronger, he is supposedly the Garp counter part. And what do you mean by, "Regular admirals and weak shichibuka"? 23:10, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

If "weak shichibukai" can give him a problem, then who were Moriah and Crocodile? Super-weak Shichibukai? 01:26, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think it really depends on who specifically he's up against. I don't think you can simply say "he can beat an admiral" because even within the Admirals, there's such a huge difference in power. I personally think that Luffy could probably just barely beat Aokoji now (or in the near future), and he could fight but not beat Kizaru, and has no chance of beating Akainu. One thing I've realized is that Luffy has yet to have one of those fights that last many days that other people in the series have had. I would guess that when it comes time to fight one of these super-powerful characters from the first half, he'll have one.

With Smoker, the situation in my mind is more interesting. Smoker is one of few enemy characters that's shown to be improving throughout the series. Most enemies we see always seem to be content with their current capabilities and always trust that they can beat whoever comes along. Most recurring enemies don't seem to be doing this. Early on Smoker was far more powerful than Luffy. But now that Luffy can hit him, I think that Luffy could beat him in a tough fight. However; because both characters are always improving, I think as the series goes on, they will fight many times, and it will always be a tough fight. There will never really be a time where Luffy is on a whole different level than Smoker. (except for the end of the series, maybe)

And you can never say that Luffy is "on par with a young Gold Roger" because Luffy is probably always on par with a young Roger. If the two characters are really supposed to be as similiar as Oda leads us to believe, then Roger probably nearly died just as many times as Luffy has (and will continue to do) throughout his journey. Roger wasn't always the most powerful pirate on the sea, it's just because Roger was successful in his journey that he became known as that.

I mostly agree except for the huge power gap between Admirals thingy, Akainu is not much stronger than Aokiji, in fact I think if you put against a random opponent they are about equal. Which was proven when their fight lasted ten days with both sides suffering serious injuries. In my opinion, Akainu only managed to win because his devil fruit has an edge over Aokiji's. Similarly Kizaru in my scaling is about equal to the other two and as of now they are still way ahead of Luffy in power. If Luffy beats one of them now it would be solely owing to plot armor. 03:27, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Throughout the whole series, Luffy has been compared to Rodger. He has the same carefree attitude. He visits the same places. He runs into people associated with Rodger. He has the "D". Powerful people like Shanks, Silvers, and Jinbe can sense his potential and help him, even at great personal cost. Therefore, he is like a "young Rodger". I stand by that. I also re-iterate that he has more growing to do or the series would be boring. That being said, logia types, as Pekoms has demonstrated, are not used to fighting people with a lot of haki. I think Luffy can mop the floor with Smoker and weak shichibukai that he has already beaten like Moriah, Crocodile, and (a guess here) Buggy. He's not on par with Kizaru, Aokiji, or Akainu yet. Admirals of lesser rank would likely give him a good workout though.


 * Admirals of lesser rank? What do you mean? The Vice Admirals / Rear Admirals? If that is the case, I agree, Luffy can easily beat a normal Rear Admiral and probably beat almost all Vice Admirals.

Also incase of the known current and former Shichibukai, he has already beated Moriah and Crocodile and I think if he fight them again he can easily beat Moriah now (considering Moraih did not improve, well might be dead too). As for Crocodile, it would not be easy but it would not be as tough as it was before as he can now hurt Crocodile even without moisting him and with much greater destructive power. I think he can also beat Jinbe and Hancock in a battle (although he would probably never have to). As for Kuma, it's a tough one cause if Kuma can use his devil fruit properly, it is uncertain as to who will win but if he is indeed totally mindless then it won't take more than a few seconds for Luffy to make short work of him now (cause Luffy did take out a Pacifista with only one hit). I think Luffy can beat Law too, although we did not see much about what Law can actually do, but, before the time skip he did struggle agains a Pacifista even after his entire crew and the Kid pirates helping them. Sure he must have improved but unlike him Luffy spent all the time only in training and must have gained a higher level of strength, I think Law would not pose more a problem for him (Luffy) in one on one battle than Jinbe would, which means that Luffy would have some difficulty would not need push himself too far to win the bout. However in case of Doflamingo or Mihawk, I don't think Luffy can match them yet, he might be able to put up a fight but those two will still beat him without much trouble. Same goes for Teach, (as he is a former Shichibukai I am taking him into account too) in fact, in my opinion, if the two fights right now, I think teach won't even have to try to mop the floor with Luffy.

Now don't go putting Smoker in the same level as Caribou, Pekoms only said that Logia who believe they are invincible have short life span. However Smoker is not so naive, he is a Vice Admiral now, that means he must also have learnt haki. Besides his base endurance is pretty high too, he got kicked by Hancock and did not show any damage (note Hancock broke Pacifista armor which is harder than steel with her kicks). Also as Smoker is a recurring enemy who is somewhat of a reminiscent of Garp to Roger, he won't go down easily. I think if the two fights now, it would end up in a tie. As for the old Admiral trio, they can still beat Luffy hands down, just as easily Teach can (Akainu can probably do it even faster). Luffy still has a long way to go before he can beat them (however he might be able to do it sooner because of plot armor, like the time when he deafed Crocodile even being nowhere near the former Shichibukai's level). Well that is what my thoughs are. 00:32, March 13, 2012 (UTC)