User talk:Babaev

About the Description of Oda
The description of Oda is not needed in Luffy's personality and relationship page. There is already an article page for Oda.Fliu (talk) 03:51, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

I already told you we don't need the extra details about Oda in Luffy's personality section.Fliu (talk) 21:42, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not talking about what Oda want to say about Luffy. I meant is it really necessary having to add "one of the greatest mangaka in Japan".Fliu (talk) 05:26, April 19, 2017 (UTC)

The Correct Pronoun
I'm just changing one word from "His" to "Its". I just explained that a ship is an object, so "it" is the better word rather than "he" or "she".Fliu (talk) 19:03, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

re:Luffy's blood type
I know it was mentioned in an SBS, but it was revealed in chapter 648, so it doesn't count as SBS Trivia. An SBS sometimes mentions thing that were already revealed. SBS Volume 69 "revealed' the Straw Hats birth sea, but they were already known through the chapters beforehand, thus this is not SBS Trivia. It is SBS trivia if it was first revealed in an SBS. Rhavkin (talk) 17:25, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

The fact that it appear on other characters SBS Trivia sections doesn't justify it being on Luffy's. Sorry. Rhavkin (talk) 20:36, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

It's not really up to me, those are the wiki rules. If an admin will say it's okey then I won't undo it but until that happens it's does not belong in the SBS Trivia. Rhavkin (talk) 21:21, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

In the navigation bar, go to "Help" → "Administrators", and choose either an admin or a content Moderator and go to their talk page and ask them. Rhavkin (talk) 22:20, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

Start with what you asked me. Rhavkin (talk) 18:36, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

Because you're the one who wants to do the edit. Rhavkin (talk) 20:22, October 27, 2017 (UTC)

Infobox References
That is too detailed for infoboxes. I even said so twice. SeaTerror (talk) 18:57, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

Why do you feel the need to include the full text of the SBS questions in the references? That just clutters them up and if the page number is provided in the reference then it doesn't really improve people's ability to find the information. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 12:57, February 18, 2018 (UTC)

Grammar
The edits aren't correct. The way that it is now is correct due to grammar. If you tell us what country you are from then maybe we can find somebody who can help you in your own language. SeaTerror (talk) 20:36, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Babaev, I understand that you edit in good faith, but you have to understand that just because you don't mean to be malicious doesn't mean your edits are perfect. Wiki pages are the result of people adding content and tweaking others' content. We all make mistakes when editing, and many of our edits can be improved upon by others. You adding the SBS content was good, but it had issues that needed correcting.

When you add bad grammar in an edit, it needs to be fixed because grammar is obviously important. For example, in one of your edits you wrote "If Bonney were not pirates" when the grammatically correct version is "If Bonney was not a pirate". We have a Manual of Style for a reason and if you are incapable of adding content in proper English then you should not edit the English wiki.

We also have Trivia Guidelines to prevent unnecessary trivia. I've added a fair number of trivia points myself that later got removed. You either accept it, or you go to the talk page and explain why your edit should be there. Saying "my edits are good" is not an actual argument because not all edits made in good faith are good and you have yet to explain why they are good. Learn to accept that people who disagree with you aren't always wrong and understand that to defend your edits you need to provide actual reasons why they should stay on the page the way you wrote them. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 03:00, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

Explain how what you've added is informative and significant to a page. How is it relevant? How is something written better your way than another way? (If you're arguing the last point, you had best fully understand the necessary English). Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:09, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

There's really no need to add trivia about shared birthdays unless a connection between the two characters makes it significant. Saying that Hawkins shares his birthday with Shyarly? There's a connection there, so it's fine. But characters like Vivi and Killer have no connection at all, so there's nothing significant about them sharing a birthday. Just like how the trivia guidelines state that there's no reason to put someone's birthday in their trivia unless there's a significant reason why they have that birthday. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:43, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

I do understand that Vivi and Killer share the same birthday. But you need to understand that many of us don't consider that notable enough to point out. This wiki is not completely exhaustive; we don't make note of every little similarity between characters especially when that similarity isn't significant. We don't note all the characters who have a certain hair color, we don't note all of the characters who are a certain age, because things like that just happen without indicating any significant connection.

That being said, this is something that, if you feel strongly about, you should take to a talk page or forum rather than edit warring and complaining on a user's talk page, so you can make your case before the community and get their input. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 07:56, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

14:02, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

It's in the trivia guidelines already. If your points get disputed, you need to talk about it in the talk page. Not edit war. Keep edit warring and you'll be blocked for a few days. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:25, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

Nami and Robin
>Sanji and Usopp both left the crew and lost their mothers as well

>Literally everyone in the Straw Hats has gone through a terrible experience.

>Nami's subjugation was hardly the same as Robin's. Nami served under Arlong for 10 years while Robin was in Spandam's captivity for about a day, which is more equivalent to Sanji being under his family's control in this arc.

>The Donquixote Pirates trivia is meaningless because there's nothing significant about it. Nami wasn't the only Straw Hat turned into art.

Most of the things Nami and Robin share aren't exclusive to them, which is why the trivia was removed. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:05, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

When a trivia section is 15,000 characters and the SBS section doesn't actually give any info, that's a problem. I explained why I removed the trivia in my edit summaries; you have yet to explain why any of the trivia points should stay other than "my edits are good and your edits are bad." Again, just because you add something in good faith does not mean that it is a good addition.

Also, look at the trivia sections for Shichibukai and Yonko. They heavily resemble what the Worst Generation's trivia section currently looks like. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 22:53, March 25, 2018 (UTC)

Talk Pages
Rather than continuing to edit war, you should learn about the wiki's layout to understand how it works. A good start would be going to One Piece Wiki:Guidebook and its subpages and reading the rules. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:16, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

Categories
Do you not know how categorizing works? Luffy is under the Category:Foosha Village Characters, which is under Category:Dawn Island Characters, which is under Category:East Blue Residents, so Luffy is under the EBR despite it not specifically appearing on his page. Now stop adding that category. Rhavkin (talk)

Why can't you except that what you are doing is wrong? Rhavkin (talk) 13:34, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

You think you know. And if I may ask, based on what exactly? Rhavkin (talk) 18:44, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

You're right, I do not understand what you want, I do not trust your edits because you made more bad edits then good ones, and I do not care about what you told me because I disagree. If you want your edits to remain as is, you must give a proper, exceptable reason. Rhavkin (talk) 19:14, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

Your edits are not correct. They are not even close to correct. Get your head out of your ass and either justify your edits, or listen to Rhavkin and stop doing them. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 13:56, June 15, 2018 (UTC)

I understand that you believe that what you are doing is right, but it isn't. I've seen on your user page that you also edit on the Russian wiki, and if you would look on Luffy's page there, you would see that he isn't in the EBR there either. I presume that is a language you are more comfortable with, and because I think we can both agree that we will not reach an understanding, maybe if you would talk to someone on that wiki they will be able to explain it to you more clearly. Let me clarify that I'm not telling you that you are right, just that there might be someone else that explain to you why you are wrong. Rhavkin (talk) 14:01, June 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yamato the Female Character
As much as I would prefer her to be in that category myself, did you have a source that debunks the whole transsexual thing?Awareness Bringer 14:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Trivia
SBS-based trivia doesn't get split off into a subsection until there are multiple entries. Reiju's birthday is one entry; therefore, it doesn't qualify for a subsection. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Where are you reading that SBS trivia has to be sectioned off regardless of the number of entries? This doesn't appear to be the practice on most pages, nor is it listed in the Trivia Guidelines. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 13:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Re:Robin Images
You're overloading sections with images. Just because an image has Robin in it doesn't mean that it must be included in her history article. Try to stick to one image for every two paragraphs or so. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Rhavkin (talk) 17:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Re: Images
I got them from the raw digital volume itself. Rhavkin (talk) 03:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Seriously? Again with the English version? Rhavkin (talk) 11:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

This is not how this works/ If you are uploading images you know shouldn't be upload that's vandalism. If you can't find a proper image, try contacting users who could help. Next time I'll have to get an admin involved. Rhavkin (talk) 18:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I can't guarantee I have access or time to what you'll ask. I could try, but even if I can't, don't upload images you know are wrong. Rhavkin (talk) 03:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Go ahead. For future reference, What I did was downloading the digital volume, and crop the images from the sbs pages. Anyone can do it if they have the volume, and if you want to not have to relay on other users you can do it to, but even before with the English images, you did not add a source, license, or categories. Make sure you add that in every image you upload. Rhavkin (talk) 06:31, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

No, they mustn't. Rhavkin (talk) 08:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Read the image guidelines. Rhavkin (talk) 13:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Or you'll learn how to do it yourself. Rhavkin (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Google it. Rhavkin (talk) 18:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Mostly n y a a. s i. Rhavkin (talk) 02:55, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Just to make sure, did you copy the site name with the spaces? Because you shouldn't... Rhavkin (talk) 15:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what to tell you. The site works for me and I can not be at your back and call for every sbs. Try the fan forums like w-o-r-s-t-g-e-n. Rhavkin (talk) 17:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Let's try this way: Rhavkin (talk) 16:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Maybe this? Rhavkin (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I guess that worked. Make sure to add the source and license on your images. Rhavkin (talk) 03:11, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Which is...? Rhavkin (talk) 12:37, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

If you don't know how to, it is better to leave the translation to those who do. Just contact the admins any they can either confirm the translations or fix them. As for the image translation, I'd use the English volume for the context if you have issues there, but again for the translation it is best to go to someone who actually knows Japanese. Rhavkin (talk) 06:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Redundant References
The repeated references for birthdays, ages, and heights are the redundant references I was referring to. Unless there is a disparity or change in details (like two different birthdates or changes in age/height), then we don't need multiple references that just repeat the same information.

Instead of edit warring, you should ask on Talk Pages. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Again, those references aren't needed there as the other references already cover the same information. Similarly, we don't cite every time a character's name is said or listed in an SBS. These redundant references only serve to clutter the infobox and don't provide information.

Instead of edit warring and bickering in edit summaries, you should discuss topics on Talk Pages. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 12:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Don't play dumb. This is far from the first time you've had to use Talk Pages to address your edit wars. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

First, you told me that you had questions, but you never actually told me what the questions were. Then you told me that you were going to ask me the questions, but the next day, you instead decided to continue the edit war. Now, you're complaining that you don't know what is being discussed when I've explained it to you multiple times in edit summaries and on your Talk Page.

All you need to do is cite where a piece of information (age, height, birthdate, etc.) is mentioned first, be it manga, anime, or SBS. If that detail changes, such as growing older or taller, then include an additional citation alongside the new information. If that detail doesn't change, then no additional citations are needed; listing every time the detail is mentioned, is unnecessary and clutters the infobox.

Additionally, if you find your edit disputed, then talk out the disagreement on a Talk Page rather than resorting to edit wars. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

"Instead of edit warring and bickering in edit summaries, you should discuss topics on Talk Pages." Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:09, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I assume you were trying to ask why you received the Vandalism warning. It was for continuing an edit war that you agreed to stop, as well as blindly undoing edits for the purpose of goading other editors.

If you actually wanted to discuss the changes, then you should've done so on a Talk Page, but so far all you've done is vandalize articles and complain that I haven't answered questions that you never asked. The person holding back the discussion on the SBS profiles is yourself. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Again, if you actually wanted to discuss the changes, then you should've done so. Simply telling me that you want to discuss a topic isn't actually discussing that topic nor does it invite any meaningful discussion. You need to at least mention what part you take issue with or what your counterargument is.

As for the references, we've been over this before: "All you need to do is cite where a piece of information (age, height, birthdate, etc.) is mentioned first, be it manga, anime, or SBS. If that detail changes, such as growing older or taller, then include an additional citation alongside the new information. If that detail doesn't change, then no additional citations are needed; listing every time the detail is mentioned, is unnecessary and clutters the infobox." I didn't say that SBS references are unnecessary, only the ones that repeat information already cited in the infobox. And you seemingly agreed with this. No, just because the SBS lists something doesn't mean it needs to be in the infobox, especially if that information is already cited in the infobox. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I've addressed those in the explanations above. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I did. Reread all of my posts in this section until it makes sense. Or ask someone else to explain it to you. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 03:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

The posts are here. Read all of it. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 12:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Earlier this week, you agreed to follow my explanation. By breaking from that, you are the one "spoiling" the infoboxes. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 22:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Notes on SBS Pages
Please don't copy notes from Artur (Library of Ohara) onto the SBS pages, those come from him and not the SBS and do not belong here. Notes, if necessary, should be written by wiki editors and only be used for brief translation clarification. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Parent Categories
When adding categories, be careful you aren't doubling up on them due to overlapping parent categories, which are larger categories that contain other subcategories. For instance, you added Yonji to the Category:Male Characters category but he was already included in that one through Category:Princes, a subcategory of Male Characters. Similar goes for the other Vinsmoke siblings. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Trivia
I'm sorry but no, I cannot leave you to do everything on your own when you have demonstrated a clear struggle with grammar and proper sentence structure. Take, for example, the recent edit war you waged because you didn't include an indefinite article. You need to be more open to letting other people amend your edits; we aren't "spoiling" your edits.

Please, take some time to review the wiki's Manual of Style, especially the parts on grammar and writing style. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:44, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

In addition, you are aware that this wiki not only is always up to date with the latest chapter, SBS and Vivre Card/Databook info, but that the Main Page has a sign that says "Please be aware, before progressing any further, that this site contains heavy SPOILERS."? So what do you mean by "spoiling everything"?Greatsong1 (talk) 18:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright I think I understand now what you meant by spoiled, my bad. Still, Nesha has a point about your struggle with grammar.Greatsong1 (talk) 19:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Babaev, I'm a Content Moderator here at One Piece Wiki. First of all, you are grammatically incorrect in a number of your edits, as DN and Greatsong have pointed out. I've corrected the grammar and phrasing to match what a native English speaker would say. Second, your attitude about "spoiling edits" is not appropriate here. Wikis are communal projects, meaning anyone can edit our wiki if they've made an account. The pages you edit may be changed, and you need to be okay with that. Especially when your grammar needs work because it is incorrect, continuing to edit war and blame other people for "spoiling your edits" is ground for a ban.

I really appreciate the work you're doing for the SBS columns, so please reflect on this and try to be more open to other people's input. None of what DN or Greatsong is saying is meant to be a personal attack on you or an attempt to delegitimize the work you're doing. They are trying to help you with your grammar. Typically, when there is an edit war, it goes to a talk page, but because it is an issue over grammar and not facts, that isn't necessary.

If you have any questions, please reach out to me or one of our Admins. At this point, any further edit warring will result in a warning, followed by a temporary ban if continued. 11:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I rereviewed the edits in question and realized you were cursing at other users in the edit summary. Consider the message above your warning, and the next time you edit war, it will be a temporary ban. 14:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

For Hawkins, Law, and Apoo, I made some minor grammatical edits, but the content remains unchanged otherwise. 17:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

They did not complain to me. As a moderator, I keep an eye in edits and discussions. I observed the edit war and stepped in on my own. 03:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll answer when I'm able and when I want. I never said that I thought you wanted an edit war. Obviously no one wants them to happen. But your grammar was wrong, and when other people corrected it, you escalated the situation.

As far as "are engage in," the correct ways to write would either be "are engaging in" (the verb is 'are' followed by the present participle 'engaging') OR "engage in" (just the single conjugated verb by itself).

I won't be able to answer every grammar question because even though I am a native speaker, I'm not an expert on the terminology. Please just try to be more open to other people's edits and input. I appreciate you trying to make flawless edits, but none of us are perfect. I'm a content moderator, and I still make mistakes. That's okay. That is why other editors help out and correct when they see issues. 16:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

As I wrote on his page, Hawkins' hobbies are interior designing and taking baths (using the present participle in this case). 17:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

While the sentence could be rewritten to include "are engaging in" (Note: it would require more than simply adding that), it's unclear what grammatical mistake you are attempting to fix in the sentence as it currently is. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 19:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

While "are engaging in" is also grammatically correct, it is awkward phrasing for a native English speaker. For example, let's look at the sentence in question (I'm taking out interior design for this explanation): No one would say their hobby is "engaging in taking baths" in a normal conversation. If we try flipping it around, maybe that'll clarify it for you? Both make sense grammatically, but "engage in" is unnecessary and awkward in this context. 21:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hawkins' hobby is taking baths.
 * Hawkins' hobby is engaging in taking baths.
 * Taking baths is Hawkins' hobby.
 * Engaging in taking baths is Hawkins' hobby.

Hawkins is designing, specifically interiors. "Interior designing" is correct as is. Again, what grammatical mistake are you attempting to fix in the sentence as it currently is? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

You're looking for gerunds? If so, then "interior designing" works. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I do, but you still seem unsatisfied with the answer. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Babaev, please just give it a rest. Dragonus and I have tried explaining this to you but you basically keep asking the same questions. Hawkins doesn't "do" anything with interior design because it is an action/activity by itself. It's like asking "what does he do with bathing?" - literally just the act of bathing.

I know you wanted me to answer, but leaving multiple messages back-to-back on my talk page is excessive. I can't and won't always answer quickly. At this point, the edit war is done, we've tried explaining why you are wrong, and it still stands that you'll be temporarily banned the next time you use profanity at another user or start an edit war. Please don't message me about this again. 21:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I was going to thank you for reaching out to me before starting an edit war, but I see that you went ahead and made the edits anyway. I don't appreciate the impatience. There are two main things wrong with the way you've written that:
 * Putting "who would win" after the list of names is awkward phrasing for a native English speaker.
 * You've created run-on sentences, which should not be used because they are poor phrasing.

The way I previously corrected the passage addresses both issues. I don't know why you think it is incorrect.

What I want (and I think I can speak for Dragonus, too) is for the wiki to be well-written with proper grammar and clear phrasing. I'm going to correct the passage on Luffy, Law, and Kid's pages again, and if you revert it to use poor grammar and phrasing, that will be considered edit warring. 15:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate you trying to write it correctly, but the fact remains that your version is a run-on sentence, which is poor writing. Please leave it as it is now, and if you're going to make an argument as to "why" my version is incorrect, please explain it instead of just repeating what you think is right.

I really don't enjoy arguing with you over this stuff, Babaev. The content you add to pages is valuable, but you refuse to take any criticism on how said content is written. Please consider being more open to feedback and others making edits after you. This isn't your personal wiki; it is for the entire community, and it should be written with grammar and phrasing that makes sense to our readers. As a content mod, my job is to make sure that things are written properly. I got this role because my writing on the wiki over the years, and even outside of the wiki, I write and copy edit professionally. Trust me when I say, I am not doing this to spite you. I just want the wiki to be written properly, but I get annoyed when you refuse to listen. We both want the wiki to be good, right? Please be willing to work with others, so we can all make it better. 22:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Gambling is the action. "Playing gambling" is improper writing. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Stop editing the archive Talk Page. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

No, you have repeatedly refused to learn from us and accept our answers to such questions. I don't know where your fixation with adding actions ("doing") comes from, maybe a teacher taught you incorrectly or you misunderstood that lesson. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to barge in, but this is overflowing my mail notification so let me try to solve this differently. First off, let put the English lesson aside, since it isn't my first language either, and I had troubles with it before multiple times I will not comment on the majority of this discussion since it started to focus on grammar more and more. Now for how I see this:


 * Hawking can appreciate or value interior design, saying he practice it imply that on his spear time he reorganize and decorate rooms, so saying he is "engaging in..." is speculation.
 * Blackbeard likes gambling, but it wasn't stated that he likes gambling games. He might enjoy the literal "taking risks" or "wagers" otherwise it would say his hobby is "Gambling Games" (ギャンブルゲーム) instead of just "Gambling" (ギャンブル).

Now, since the action taken in order to enjoy those hobbies is speculated, regardless of proper grammar, it shouldn't be included. Rhavkin (talk) 19:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Re:Birthday Calendar
If there is already a reference to the character's birthday in the infobox, then no, the birthday calendar isn't important enough to cite. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

That has no bearing on whether or not an extra citation is needed in the infobox. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

One Piece Wiki:Guidebook/Trivia Guidelines Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Please upload your SBS Volume 103 images as pngs. Thanks. 11:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

You can download and save the images as PNGs in any image processing/editing program, like Paint or Photoshop. Or there are online converter websites you can use. 15:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Re:Images
Which image is missing? Also I just downloaded the volume from n.y.a.a, but if you don't want to download it I can add the image myself; the download is in jpg format so the images need to be converted before uploaded. Walrsu (talk) 04:06, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I only found 103 recently, but if/when I find 104 I'll let you know. Walrsu (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)