Talk:Ucy

Name
shouldn't we rename the page by Ucy rather than Fighting Bull. It's the same with the "One-legged soldier" and "Thunderous Soldier of Rage" concern. 41.232.210.196 21:16, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Ucy is the name that Luffy gave him. His real name is Fighting Bull. 21:18, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

No, i think it's like Surume and Kraken. His name should be Ucy. --Salamancc (talk) 21:34, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Kraken is a species, not a name. 21:46, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe "Fighting Bull" is also a species like fighting fish. --Salamancc (talk) 22:24, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

no, fighting bull is his name, ucy is a nickname-- 22:29, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

If "Ucy" is its nickname, why is it in the "alias" parameter? 09:55, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

But we do not say ["Ucy" Fighting Bull] like ["Straw Hat" Luffy]. --Klobis (talk) 10:27, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still, why put it in the "alias" parameter? 10:29, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Just like Lucy is an alias of Luffy. --Klobis (talk) 11:11, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Not really.. 11:16, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

its just a nickname-- 17:36, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

^^^^^ 20:45, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Lucy is an alias while Ucy is just a nickname. 22:57, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Since "Lucy" is an alias it should be in the "alias" parameter, but "Ucy" is a nickname not an alias. So it shouldn't be in the "alias" parameter, right? 06:19, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Epithets tend to be more descriptive in nature though, so a nickname could be considered closer to an alias. At the end of the day they're all synonyms with slightly different connotations, so this shouldn't be such a huge deal. A benefit of having them in different parameters is that it helps keep them more distinct, so it's fine the way it is. 06:29, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

I second Zodia's statement. WU out -  08:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

In that case, we don't have to have the nickname in the infobox. Just put a nihongo template including the nickname and its jname and rname in the intro paragraph. 10:26, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Wait a minute, what do you mean Ucy is a nickname.? Surume was named after Luffy too, so why do we have him as that in his page. Luffy named Ucy too, so that's what the name of this article should be. Why do you guys make exceptions, I will never understand that..

Because before that, Surume was just referred to as his species name, while here, the fighting bull has already been given a name by the people of Dressrosa. 13:15, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

What Gal said. WU out - 13:17, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Kraken is the name of his species, not an actual name. 13:18, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Animal Pronoun
I believe that the pronouns should be changed from "he" to "it". "It" is used for generic animals regardless of their sex. For animals, "he"/"she" is only used as pronouns for animals which you share a personal relationship with. e.g. your pet. However, this isn't a personal journal, this a formal article. And since this is an encylopedia-style wiki, I think we should change it. 11:06, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. We should indeed change it. WU out -  13:19, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Except that this is a work of fiction, with plenty of animals (chief among them Chopper, but also Carue, Eyelashes etc) that we refer to by gender-specific pronouns. His epithet "Brutal Bull" is proof that he's male (the English word 'bull' was used). 13:41, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Zodiaque's right. It's the same reason we added the male category. It's Fighting Bull, not Fighting Bovine. If you don't understand the reason behind something, ask before instantly assuming it's wrong. 20:47, July 12, 2013 (UTC)