Talk:Ton Ton no Mi

Just out of curiousity where did the confirmation of the devil fruit's name come from? 89.99.142.82 18:43, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

SBS 79 18:49, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

do you know where i can read it? i enjoy reading the sbs sections :)  Judge Magister Pyarox  22:30, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Our translator hasn't had the time to translate the most recent SBS as of yet. But you can read a summary here. Hope that helps. 22:36, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

thanks  Judge Magister Pyarox  15:26, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Difference from the Kilo Kilo
Is perhaps the difference between this fruit and Mrs Valentine's is that hers affects her mass while this affects weight? First, there is a metric ton and also a 2000 lb ton. Weight refers to the pull of gravity on an object, while mass is how thick an object is. Kilograms measure mass, and Valentine was able to crash into the ground and avoid being injured because she had a greater mass, making her more durable, while Vise complains of the ground hurting his stomach, possibly meaning he doesn't become any more durable. but this could explain the difference in the power

68.119.71.151 08:25, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

The only difference is the magnitude of the power, otherwise it's the same.

Also the fact that Machvise can only make himself heavier, not lighter.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:43, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he can since that's how he is able to float in air.

Ton vs. Tonne
I see a fair point brought about by the anonymous user 24.138.142.79: Tons are imperial! Tonnes are metric. They're different units. A ton is 2000 lbs, but a tonne is 1000 kg. To use one when you mean the other is not only grammatically wrong, but mathematically too."  I am curious, therefore, as to why that edit was undone without so much as an explanation. The Dreamer (talk) 01:48, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Since some users are just being contrarian for the sake of it and I cba to editwar anymore, let's take it here. The anon is absolutely correct in that we either need to put it as tonne or metric ton everywhere, to properly differentiate it from the imperial ton/Long ton. 02:50, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Considering Japan's on the metric system, and its sister fruit is also metric, I think tonne would be the correct choice. 02:54, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English

Manual_of_Style

Plus it already says metric ton. Tonne isn't correct since we use American English. SeaTerror (talk) 03:00, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

I guess you'll have to change it to "10 metric ton vise" then, since you need to change every instance of ton to "metric ton". 24.138.142.79 06:05, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

In fact, there are still several instances of ton that you keep changing back without adding "metric". The wiki currently claims that " 1 Ton is equal to 1000 Kilograms," despite the fact that that isn't true.

The easiest way to differentiate without making every attack name sound like a bad translation is to use the proper spelling "Tonne" instead of the American way with the modifier "Metric". But if you insist upon making it "metric ton", then you need to make sure that you are consistent, to avoid putting false statements in the article.

I would just like to point out that Oda is obviously thinking of the international standard and not specifically of the american way, given that a) tonnes and kilos are both metric (and so is Japan), and b) he doesn't use the american modifier "meitoriku" (metric) before every instance of "ton". 24.138.142.79 06:26, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

As a non-"imperial" user I can confirm that I always thought the word "ton" meant metric "ton" since I wasn't even aware there were "imperial tons" and "metric tonnes". Since such a difference exists, probably is better to use the word "tonnes" in the article when explaining the powers of the fruit, but I wouldn't go as far as renaming the article. We can just blame Oda for using the word "ton".

Saying we should use imperial tons because of the Manual of Style is like saying we should replace meters with yards even though they are different measurements. 11:32, November 20, 2015 (UTC)