Talk:Buccaneers

Hybrids
"It is currently unclear whether a child between a buccaneer and a human is considered a "half-buccaneer" or not, as Bartholomew Kuma is only ever referred to as a "buccaneer" despite having a human mother."

Clapp says he's "the one who has Buccaneer blood" and argues that Kuma shouldn't be enslaved because his wife isn't a Buccaneer. Considering a hybrid is, by definition, someone who's parents are two different races, it doesn't make sense not to consider Kuma to be one.

The same argument of "they're never referred to as a hybrid" can be made for the Snakeneck Tribe; as far as I can tell, the Snakeneck hybrids have never been explicitly referred to as such. SBS 86 (p. 60) refers to Mascarpone and Joscarpone simply as "from the Snakeneck Tribe"; the VIZ translation says "Some of Big Mom's children are Snakenecks". Despite this, we call all of the Snakeneck Charlottes "hybrids", so I don't see why we shouldn't do the same here. Walrsu (talk) 18:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

right now it seems that bonney is kuma blood daughter so she should be under hybrid section or full section to be fairTo love this (talk) 19:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

As far as I understand, Clapp doesn't argue for Kuma to be freed due to him being a hybrid or anything. He tries to convince them that his wife should be let go because she's not a buccaneer, and then just begs them to free Kuma as well.

With buccaneers seemingly being of mixed race descent in general (giant and human?), it may not make sense to consider someone a "half buccaneer". Kuma is only referred to as a buccaneer by the World Nobles and Ivankov. We also have an example like fish-men and merfolk, who do not produce hybrids when interbreeding with each other. When it comes to Big Mom's children, they are referred to as "half" (ハーフ) in infoboxes and Vivre Cards. I would suggest waiting when it comes to Kuma to see if he's referred to as such in the story or an updated Vivre Card. 19:10, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see, so it has to do with the fact that Buccaneers seem to already be a hybrid race. That makes sense.

Regarding Bonney, she doesn't match the key definition of the Buccaneers (large size) so it probably makes more sense to wait. Walrsu (talk) 19:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, when it comes to Bonney, neither she nor Saturn have acknowledged her having buccaneer blood yet, with Saturn even calling Kuma the "last survivor". I think mentioning her in the trivia is enough for now. 20:00, 15 October 2023 (UTC)