Talk:Mafia

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"Mafia" was never mentioned in the series. this is barely an umbrella term since "Mafia refer to one large organization and not several and the yakuza has zero connection to the Five Families of the West for example. Furthermore, the Japanese name is transliteration and the gallery is wrongly made. This page, if decided to be kept need a lot of work. Rhavkin (talk) 18:35, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

Delete? No. Rename? Yes. If not Gangster then something else. Rgilbert27 (talk) 19:09, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with at least renaming it; "mafia" is a very ambiguous term considering the existence of the Underworld.Aguacate (talk) 19:15, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

The name isn't the only problem. How about the fact that other then the Yakuza (who have their own page) every character in the gallery is a former member? Or that "Gangster" isn't an occupation much different from "Bandit" in the context of the series? Rhavkin (talk) 19:18, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

Look, I just think that Gangster is a subject that should have page. That or merge Yakuza with this page/make into a subsection for a new page named Criminal (Position). Rgilbert27 (talk) 19:48, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

You can't be serious. Having a page titled "Criminal" is a horrible idea since it would require us to indicate the rule breaking, in a fictional world where the rules are ambiguous like slavery. Also, gangster and Yakuza are very different from each other, since gangster is a member of a violent criminal group, and Yakuza is an organized crime in a specific country that is organized. All in all, if we agree that both the page title and content is wrong, the page should be delete, and if anyone want's to make another page it should be discussed elsewhere. Rhavkin (talk) 20:00, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

Criminal as in regards to the law, who have no protection from authorities, is what I meant. Whether you like it or not Yakuza are gangsters who go by a different name. Rgilbert27 (talk) 20:35, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

I personally don't think this is a necessary article, we already have the Underworld one which is covers the Mafia part. Cracker-Kun (talk) 20:50, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

What are you talking about? In the corrupt world of the series, even royals like Kuma and Riku Doldo were consider criminals. Did you even read the justice page you are referring to? In this world you can be consider a criminal if you refuse a marriage proposal. Criminal is even a broader term then Mafia. Rhavkin (talk) 21:21, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

Bege Capone says hi. Just add a Yakuza section in here.

Joekido (talk) 22:02, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

They were criminals, Riku was framed by Doflamingo and for 10 years had to live the life of a fugitive while Kuma was a Shichibukai with a frozen bounty. If your not good with a "Criminal" page then somehow I should try to have it under another new page. Rgilbert27 (talk) 22:07, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

Criminal page sounds out of place with this topic, Mafia is better because it's more organized and focus on a certain topic.

Joekido (talk) 22:30, July 24, 2020 (UTC)

I am against this page completely. 01:36, July 25, 2020 (UTC)

I don't really have any stakes in this page staying, but Duval does say in Chapter 495 that he was in the Mafia (he uses the word Mafia in Japanese) and Bartolomeo clearly was as well even if they never directly used the word mafia. Bege and the Five Families of the West are obvious. Other than that I don’t really have any opinion on whether or not this article should stay. Might be better to merge it with the yakuza page since they're more fleshed out. DewClamChum (talk) 02:10, July 25, 2020 (UTC)