Category talk:Straw Hat Pirates' Ships

Category Deletion
Most of the ships on the list do not belong to the Straw Hats. There are only two ships that would be in the category which means it falls under being less than at least 5 in a category rule. SeaTerror (talk) 05:51, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

Karasumaru does not belong to the Straw Hats. Shimashima Shopping is debatable. Everything else is definitely owned by them.

That being said, I consider this to be a rather pointless category. A category containing the Straw Hats' two real ships and some makeshift rafts used in the Davy Back Fight (most of which are non-canon) is useless. Delete it. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 07:28, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

Non-canon or not no other group/individual has ever used them outside the Donut Race besides the Straw Hats. So until pages by byte count are better off as sections than on there own the count is more than two. Rgilbert27 (talk) 10:21, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

There's only two in the category since only the Thousand Sunny and Going Merry are owned by them. None of the others were. SeaTerror (talk) 08:14, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, we don't need to list those temporary ships. We only need to list them in the Davy Back Fight context. The Shimashima Shopping is a maybe since Zeff did gift it to Sanji and Luffy. KingCannon (talk) 23:01, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

They were also made by them listed among the following plus you haven't checked what's also in the navibox. Rgilbert27 (talk) 23:38, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

The navibox is wrong too. SeaTerror (talk) 06:30, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

So everything is wrong except what you think? Each one of them is a sea vessel used by the Straw Hats, the DBF rafts were also build by them, the Sexy Foxy was taken by their new members shortly before being discarded, and Karasumaru and Shimashima Shopping were given to them by their allies Conis and Zeff, and was seen used by them exclusively. What criterias does not make them the Straw Hats'? Rhavkin (talk) 16:21, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Not to mention, even though it wasn't added before, the Mini Merry II is another of their ships. Rgilbert27 (talk) 16:34, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

The Shimashima Shopping was at least used for island sailing purposes and was stated to be Sanji's to begin with (it wasn't a gift like I initially thought. A Baratie cook confirms the ship is his). It's why I'm willing to count it as a Straw Hat vessel, but I would not be against its exclusion either. The Karasumaru, meanwhile, was lent by Conis. It's not a Straw Hat ship.

The Davy Back Ships are somewhat different since they're non-canon and exclusive to the Davy Back competition. They were only created because of the competition's rules. KingCannon (talk) 17:37, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Also, the Rocket Man should definitely not be under vehicles. It's not theirs. Why is that in the navbox? KingCannon (talk) 17:41, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Taru Tiger is canon, but since when does canon matter to categorization if there isn't a separate category for non canon? The Karasumaru is as much Conis' as the Going Merry is Merry's since both gave the boat to the crew and while Merry gave it to them as thanks for saving Kaya, Conis believed they wouldn't come back, so she practically gave it to them to be ruined. She even said she doesn't use it.Rhavkin (talk) 18:02, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Where is the reference Shimashima was his? Karasumaru is still under developed how do we know it was wrecked? Rgilbert27 (talk) 18:16, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

They never owned the Sexy Foxy. Temporarily using something doesn't mean you automatically own something. SeaTerror (talk) 22:31, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

In the anime, the former Foxy Pirates took it in the name of their new crew, the Straw Hats. The Foxy trio left on a boat, so the only crew remained was the Straw Hats, who again, claimed the ship. The duration of time does not affects ownership. Rhavkin (talk) 06:11, June 12, 2020 (UTC)

So never actually used by them then. Especially since that's filler. SeaTerror (talk) 10:17, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

If there isn't a separate category, filler and canon are both acceptable. Rhavkin (talk) 13:02, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

The "separate" category is no category since that's the correct version. SeaTerror (talk) 18:23, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Members of the crew took it and planed to use it while being part of the crew. Canon isn't an issue. Rhavkin (talk) 18:27, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

You just said the Straw Hats didn't use it. SeaTerror (talk) 18:55, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

The official members didn't, but it was taken by members of the crew. It was the Straw Hats for enough time for Foxy's small boat to disappear from view before the members were discarded and chased after them. And since the amount of time isn't specified, it can be calculated to at least a couple of minutes, which could be even longer then the Donut Race for all we know. Rhavkin (talk) 19:07, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Nothing was taken by the Straw Hats because Luffy immediately rejected it. SeaTerror (talk) 05:52, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

This discussion have long since change course from "needed" to "what counts as". We can all agree that at least the Merry,Sunny, and three DBF rafts are their's, and the rule say five is enough for a category to be made, since as I mentioned before, unless there is a separate category for non canon, everything counts. ST, Please stop deleting the category from the pages. As for the few remaining debatable ships and boats, those should be discussed case by case either here or on their talk page, and based on that discussion either be added here or removed from the navibox. Rhavkin (talk) 03:50, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

The rafts are not theirs. By your logic somebody using a computer at work means they own it even though they are only temporarily using it. SeaTerror (talk) 07:20, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

They build them. Rhavkin (talk) 07:23, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

Changing Category
The Straw Hats now own many more vessels/vehicles than just ships, a bike like thingy, a tank, a waver, the mini merry for example. I say we delete this category and make a new one which includes all vessels/vehicles owned by them. ( Dot  Talk  ) 06:04, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

Btw by which I mean moving all of them into one instead of these subcategories. Cuz having subdivisions in such a small category is pointless. Also I kinda agree with ST on the topic before this and feel like there's very few of these that count either way. ( Dot  Talk  ) 06:05, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. It would be a vehicle category then. Which would cover Franky's creations including the dock system. SeaTerror (talk) 07:20, September 29, 2020 (UTC)