File talk:Monkey D. Luffy Post Timeskip Portrait.png

Better pic?
Anyone got a better pic? This one makes Luffy seem 8 years old... not 17. Go go to "upload new version". Settings are 120px by 120px. One-Winged Hawk 20:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Manga vs. Anime
Just adding my input. Manga is better. 14:50, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Just adding my input. No. 16:17, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

It definitely is. Not drawn by a wonky animator, and is drawn by the man who created the series himself. 19:13, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

No. 19:31, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Can somebody that actually responds with legitimate reasons respond? 19:34, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

SHL's arguments actually kinda remind me of some discussions with you, Gal! Anyway, "No" is not an argument. We got a perfect manga pic, no need to use the anime, for reasons stated by Gal.

The anime is better because it's brighter and luffy's scar can me seen and in the manga you can also see luffy's finger which is not good for a portrait. 20:02, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with SHL, the finger looks stupid. 20:12, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Well thank you. 21:48, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

We can see Luffy's scar just fine in the manga version. The finger is barely a distraction. 21:54, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

No you can't 22:25, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

The finger is not a big deal, but the scar is indeed kinda hidden in the manga version.

Didn't notice the finger until you mentioned it. I don't see a problem with the scar.

Colored manga pic > anime pic. I can't see how some adapted content can be preferred to the original, drawn by the author himself. Shenduk (talk) 03:01, May 3, 2013 (UTC)Shenduk

The anime is more detailed. As I've already said colored manga is great but it's rarely good for portraits. 08:38, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Actually the manga version is more detailed. You can confirm that by checking how the straw hat is drawn in each instance. The fact of the matter is that the anime tends to have more images suitable for portraits, however I find no fault with this one from the manga. MasterDeva (talk) 09:10, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok then if everyone prefers the manga. 10:35, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Staw-Hat, but I agree with MasterDeva. 11:10, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

I prefer the anime version. But this should actually be discussed in Forum:Manga vs. Anime for portraits. Arguing here doesn't matter. Go there. 19:59, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong. There is no rule yet. 20:47, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Pointing out, there wasn't a solution reached in here. To avoid so many talk pages nobody knows to keep up with, let's keep it in the forum. It's convenient. And what do you mean "no rule"? What rule are we implying? 20:48, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

There was a solution reached in here. A majority of users came to a decision. You guys are making it seem like manga images aren't allowed as portraits until that forum ends.. when that isn't the case. 20:53, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

No, we're keeping it at the original until a decision has actually been reached. Be patient. When the forum is done, we can get through this easier. 20:55, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

I still prefer the anime version. 21:03, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Then let's poll it then. 21:22, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Can we wait until the forum is finished, first? Its results can make this poll completely pointless. Let's be patient, here. 21:59, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

By the way, just a small argument against the manga image; his scar is too low. A mistake Oda makes often (it's difficult for an artist to draw a curved line in the same position every time, so it's a reasonable mistake). 01:41, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sure... let's wait until the forum ends. Since the talk page polls option is an option there. 03:22, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Alternative manga image.... 14:53, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

I like the previous manga image better. 14:58, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

My manga pic is obviously better. Anyhow, include that option on the poll too. 16:50, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Probably not Staw, since people seem to like it. Nada isn't a majority. He's the only one opposing a manga image. 17:14, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Awakage and JustSomeDude's opinions count as well. 17:40, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Well, you want to open the poll and get this over with? 18:04, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should do that. 23:59, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Poll
This poll will decide if we should use the manga or anime image for the portrait. You must have 300 edits in order to vote, and you need to have been registered for 3 months. The poll is now closed. It started at 02:06:30 on May 14, 2013 and ended on May 19, 2013 at 02:00:00 UTC The first manga portrait will be used.

1. Use the anime portrait.
 * 1)  02:49, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2)  13:07, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3)  17:31, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 17:32, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

2. Use the first manga portrait.
 * 02:06, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Klobis (talk) 02:14, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 08:23, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 20:40, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 12:13, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * 13:47, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1)  21:04, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) MasterDeva (talk) 21:53, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) MasterDeva (talk) 21:53, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

3.Use the second manga portrait.
 * 06:22, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 06:26, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 14:36, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 06:22, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 06:22, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

New Image
This is a new image that was not part of the poll. Luffy has a more normal expression, there's no crap in the background and no annoying finger. 22:05, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

The manga image is still better then that image. Stop trying to use images that are badly drawn. 22:06, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

The new anime is way better. 22:08, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Also you need to stop using terribly vague responses such as "Way better". Why is it way better? Is it because you think the anime is awesome? I really doubt you're evaluating the full effects and detail of the images that you edit war in. 22:10, May 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * looks at top of page* Yeah. He's the one who needs to stop.

This new anime image really doesn't look that good. The expression just doesn't look attractive to me, and I think Luffy smiling wide is a bit more fitting. 22:27, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree with my statement. 22:28, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

I too agree with the reasons stated by Uknownada. I get the feeling that there is something missing when I look at that anime image. MasterDeva (talk) 05:15, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

^Yeah, there's something missing: a finger. The manga pic also shows Luffy's shoulders, even though portraits should only include the character's head. 10:01, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

The finger isn't necessarily distracting since it isn't directly in front of Luffy's head, and neither is the "head only" rule absolute since in the original image example Crocodile's shoulders are visible. MasterDeva (talk) 10:34, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

It isn't absolute, but when we have a picture with only the head, no finger, no crap in the background and a normal expression, we should use it instead of one where the shoulders and a distracting finger are visible and the character's mouth is a semicircle. 11:55, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with Luffy's expression or shoulders in the manga version. You could though argue about the finger. MasterDeva (talk) 12:21, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Well, let's poll this then? 16:31, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Nah. 16:33, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Nope. 17:11, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Whats the issue here? why is luffy's portrait locked? The current manga image is poor quality, you can hardly notice his scar, ane the finger is in the way a bit. the previous anime image was just fine. if not we can get another image. anything but the current portrait.

AsuraDrago 02:57, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

It was polled and the manga image is better. 11:36, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah i just saw that awhile ago. But the poll wasen't fair. obviously polls are good ways to settle issues, but this one was not in the right. for starters people were complaining about the last anime pick used. i agree with that, there can be a better pick for luffy. but in the case of the poll you presented two options for the manga and the one anime portrait that many already disliked. it was obvious that one of the manga images would win the poll. there should have been other choices! improvements are always needed, but at least give each side a fair shot! AsuraDrago 04:15, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

724 Jump Cover version
How about a better manga version from the Jump cover that Ch. 724 was in? We lose the finger and get better art quality from this. Ignore the bad quality of the scan I've linked. 13:43, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag110/justsomedude7/th_kjgbkgb_zps3e64bea2.png

Looks great, I support using that. 13:50, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's perfect. Let's use it. 14:22, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

I support it. Hopefully we can get a better scan though. 14:56, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Right, here's HQ:  18:55, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

looks good. why not pop it in? AsuraDrago 02:11, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Lol no, he looks like a retard >_> I support the previously used version. 11:39, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Can you find one where his face isn't creased? 14:02, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

^Gal posted one above. Anyway, there's a clear majority so calling this closed. 14:17, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Not closed at all, the discussion just started. 14:47, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Looks great without the crease, I say its fine. 17:34, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Everything I see about this image is better than the other manga image, so unless anyone has any complaints about it they want to describe clearly, we should use the new one. 22:40, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

It does not show straw hat. The hat is necessary. --Klobis (talk) 23:11, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

as long as we have an image without a finger or crease in the way i think this one will work. AsuraDrago 05:35, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

The one from WSJ alpha is capable of showing the hat (and is higher quality). . 00:25, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why the hat is necessary. Though the WSJ Aplha version has a better background and is capable of having a more centered image with less obstructions. I'll upload a new version with a wider shot, incorporating more of the hat (but not all of it). 00:52, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

I prefer this version. 07:48, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

The nose is drawn with less detail, so why's that Lelouch? 13:25, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

It's just the nose with less detail, not the whole face. And it has good quality and is frontal, so I find it suitable for a portrait image. 13:56, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Nose is part of the face, and manga image draws it better (along with every other detail).

That image was also discussed above and it was decided not to use it. 18:16, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

I believe the WSJ version is the best image we could possibly have. I think it's even better than anime image I voted for earlier. 22:32, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

I said "not the whole face", Gal... 06:39, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

I still agree, this manga is the one of better quality. 15:49, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Right, since there's a majority (and that image got discussed before), this discussion is over. 21:06, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Other Anime Image
This image was wrong to have been reverted since it was never part of any poll. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/5/58/Monkey_D._Luffy_Post_Timeskip_Portrait.png/revision/20150916171340 What's wrong with it? It's also high quality. SeaTerror (talk) 23:05, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Nothing, but it was polled a long time ago. I prefer the anime version myself. The main argument was that the original anime pic made Luffy look too young or something. AsuraDrago 23:17, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

No it wasn't. I checked the poll. The only anime image on the poll was the other one. SeaTerror (talk) 23:22, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Right, I should have clarified that. The pic from the poll was from the Fishman Island arc, that one I was talking about. But the current one you are talkng about was never given a chance. I see no reason not to use it now. AsuraDrago 23:29, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Go for it. Gal isnt here anymore anyway. 10:18, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Nah, I think the manga image is better. The huge smile in the anime image looks bad. 12:17, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Manga image doesnt show what luffy normally looks like. 12:26, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Read the image page, ST: "Note: It has been determined by discussion that we use the WSJA 10/14/13 issue image as the portrait. Do not revert. Any new image candidates in the future should be brought up in a talk first." The quote of "poll result" refers to the fact that people need to discuss any change to this particular image.

Anyways, the manga version is higher quality and shows more detail of his face. 13:03, September 29, 2015 (UTC)