File talk:Jozu vs Crocodile.jpg

Manga or Anime version
Which image shall we keep, the original picture from the manga or the altered one from the anime? MasterDeva 04:55, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * First off, we can discuss the dispute in here; there's no reason to have a Delete tag on an image that, no matter which side of the argument wins, isn't getting deleted.


 * Secondly, the image isn't that altered. There are a few minor details, but overall it's similar enough that you can get the gist. Besides, the general rule of the Wiki is that anime images take precedence, unless the anime image is nothing like the manga version. I don't even know why you're arguing this. The Pope 05:13, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Buh6173 please think FIRST and act LATER. If I hadn't started the discussion here you wouldn't have done so yourself and would be still stuck reverting... It should have been you to first start a discussion in the talk page, not me. I added the deletion tag because in case a consensus isn't reached by the editors the pic should be removed, maybe it's my fault if the explanation wasn't clear enough in the description.


 * Now about the image. In the anime version it appears like Jozu tackles Crocodile while in the manga it's clearly shown that he punched him. Not only the anime didn't properly portray Jozu's attack but they show him use his half-diamond body to use it, while he has clearly displayed a preference in transforming only his body parts to attack others (like he did against Aokiji) in the manga. MasterDeva 05:58, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * How is a little bit more diamond that big a deal? Other than that, it's exactly the same. Both images show a forearm strike, not a punch. It's not clearly shown that he punched him by this very picture. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:11, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you look carefully at the manga you will notice that the motion of his hand as well as the way Crocodile falls back convey a punch hit from Jozu. Notice also that Jozu's fist isn't made discreet in the anime. MasterDeva 06:17, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Except, as I've already shown you, Jozu does not charge in with intent to punch. He tackles. That is why his forearm is pressed out and his fist is up against his chest. The punching motion following the contact is to throw Crocodile off his forearm. Chalk the fist up to simple animation. His fist is still there. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:28, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually,for further proof that it isn't a punch, check the panel spread just prior to the actual attack. Bottom-right corner, second panel up. Jozu's arm is already set with the forearm out. If he were punching, his fist would be drawn back. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:16, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look a tad more closely, Jozu didn't use his elbow against Crocodile! MasterDeva 06:19, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * That isn't his elbow in the anime pic, it's his forearm. His elbow is the point lying just offscreen. Likewise, it's his forearm in the manga pic. I've already shown you proof that he wasn't punching Crocodile. Therefore, the only difference between this pic and that one falls back to the amount of diamond he has covered himself with and the lack of blood. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:26, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're rushing to prove your point and you're making mistakes though. If you see the next page were Doflamingo completely immobilizes Jozu you'll see that he was about to use his fist! Also, if you look at the name of the attack, Brilliant Punk, you'll see that "punk" is slang for punching someone in the face. MasterDeva 06:48, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * And in trying to prove your point you've just mixed up the timeline. By your own admission: "the next page were Doflamingo completely immobilizes Jozu". This event, by its very nature, must take place after Brilliant Punk. He's not using the same attack twice. Two, the name of the attack hardly proves anything, especially when the visible evidence proves rather concretely that he did not punch him. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 08:00, October 11, 2010 (UTC)