Forum:Ruby Template

First thing first, this is not a continuation of an older forum, but a new take of an idea that was brought up there. You can read the old forum if you want, but I will talk about what was said there in short.

The Ruby Template is a way to use kanji and furigana as it should in the Japanese language (kana over kanji) for pronunciation. chapters, episodes, and attacks sometimes get another meaning with the kana, so I think it is should be included. Now, the reason it hasn't been used is because it was voted against it in the old forum, which had a few problems:


 * 1) It's from five years ago, and one of the main points against it was that not all computers could read it. I don't know how computers are now, but its best to check it, so if anyone knows how to do it please help us.
 * 2) The discussion then diverted to include another way to have the kana feathered, and the discussion was moved from "If" to "Which" and so the "If" lost. We know how to poll better know.
 * 3) Another argument against it was that it wouldn't be relevant to any one who isn't familiar with the Japanese language. For this, I'd like to bring up the Nihongo and say that this argument is relevant against using that one as well.
 * 4) Going back to the first problem, it's from five years ago! Out of the nine participants, only five are still active. Users have changed, policy have changed, it is time for the ruling to change.

Thoughts? Rhavkin (talk) 18:04, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

From what I understand, HTML5 included Ruby years ago and nearly every browser supports it now. 18:56, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

The main reason was because it would look bad or that there was no support. The examples comment on the old forum still applies. SeaTerror (talk) 19:16, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

Awaikaga, thank you for clearing that up.

SeaTerror, "look bad" is a matter of opinion, and either way, that is the proper way to write Japanese so even it did "look bad" it wouldn't matter much. We wouldn't stop using kanji if some people said it "look bad" either. And as for outvoted, if we had the same vote now, it would be 3:2 in favor of tooltip, so like I said, thing changed. Rhavkin (talk) 19:36, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

I would be more in favor of using a mouseover tooltip to show furigana in cases where the intended reading is different from what the kanji would suggest. Placing the furigana above the kanji makes the former pretty hard to read. The example for the tooltip option in the old forum works fine for me, but we would probably want to make it more visually obvious that a tooltip is even there (ie by underlining the text like we do for status icons on character galleries). MizuakiYume (talk) 20:02, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

MizuakiYume. that is where the old forum broke down. Let's focus on the "If" before the "How". As for the "hard to read argument that was also in the old forum, let's test it out:


 * Current: Gomu Gomu no Pistol (ゴムゴムの銃 (ピストル))
 * Ruby: Gomu Gomu no Pistol (ゴムゴムの 銃ピストル).

At this point I would like to point out two things:
 * 1) I do not know how to include the tooltip within the Nihongo, so if anyone does, please show an example, otherwise, it might be unusable together.
 * 2) At the beginning, I offered to use a template like shown here, and it's usage with the Nihongo as shown here.

Rhavkin (talk) 20:19, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

Having the furigana above the kanji makes the furigana too difficult to read because of the small text size, not because of its placement. I also only support using a Ruby template with kanji where the intended reading is different from usual. Otherwise it gets too crowded, as with your second example link to the BnHA wiki. For example:

Hyakuhachi Pound Ho (百八 煩悩ポンド 鳳 Hyakuhachi Pondo Hō)

and not:

Hyakuhachi Pound Ho ( 百ひゃく 八はち  煩悩ポンド  鳳ほう Hyakuhachi Pondo Hō)

The excess furigana are really not necessary. The tooltip apparently isn't derived from Ruby at all, but it is usable. Example of the tooltip (mouseover the 煩悩):

Hyakuhachi Pound Ho (百八煩悩 鳳 Hyakuhachi Pondo Hō)

This method admittedly has visibility problems, since there's no indication of where to mouseover, so I'll set it aside for now. MizuakiYume (talk) 21:29, October 1, 2018 (UTC)