Template talk:Haoshoku Haki Users Gallery

Ace's portrait
Ace was known to have Haoshoku Haki only at young age, he hasn't ever been seen using it when he grew up into young boy and eventually lad.--212.150.174.180 19:38, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

He didn't lose the ability, so it doesn't matter. 05:27, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Zoro's Haki status
At most, it should say "Unknown" or "Potentially" or something, except we rarely use guesswork on here. Either leave it at "Unknown", or leave him off, because there's no actual confirmation he has Haoshoku Haki. We didn't see sparks and he didn't knock anyone out; those are the main indicators we know of. Asura is cool, and Kaido thinks it's Haoshoku Haki, but there's a big difference between guessing it's Haoshoku Haki vs it being confirmed (otherwise hey Kaido guessed Luffy had fire immunity so that must mean he does, right?). The Pope 03:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any reason to think that Kaido is mistaken in saying Zoro has Haoshoku. Kaido has shown to be very knowledgeable of Haki and has had no issue in identifying usages of Haoshoku before (Chapter 924) - in general, people who are knowledgeable of Haki can tell when it is being used. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:38, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, here's a bit of an indepth look as to what Kaido says in Japanese. He says まさかお前...覇王色を......!!? (Masaka omae...Haoshoku wo...!!?). Some observations (I am not a Japanese speaker, but I am confident in my conclusions based on my research)


 * 1) This sentence is not framed as a question - not only does it lack a question particle, but the punctuation marks indicate that it is an expression of shock rather than an interrogative phrase that would indicate doubt.
 * 2) The key word in this phrase is Masaka. In general, it is used to express disbelief with its best English equivalents being "There's no way" or "Unbelievable". Not so much "did this happen" but rather "I cannot believe that happened".

If I am off base feel free to correct me, but from what is laid in front of me I see no reason to think Kaido is doubtful or speculating in his remark that Zoro has Haoshoku - rather, he knows what Zoro did and is stunned that another Worst Generation member possesses Haoshoku. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:00, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

In a nutshell he's saying "He has Haoshoku?!", but again, it's still marked as a question. He believes that to be the case, but it's not like he's saying "He has Haoshoku." Seems minimal, but major difference.

a) Like I said before, his whole "Are you immune to fire?!" thing to Luffy, while setup for Luffy's response, is just as viable a comparison. It is literally Kaido guessing. Maybe he's right, maybe he's not. We don't know.

b) As much as I want Zoro to have Haoshoku (and maybe he does), he hasn't shown any of the telltales signs (sparks or knocking people out). Asura could be a manifestation of Haoshoku, maybe it isn't. We don't know, and until we get 100% confirmation, Zoro should have one of those little tags that says "Unknown", "Unconfirmed", or not be there at all. The Pope 17:39, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Did you based your claim only on the English translation and lack of visuals? Ignoring the original Japanese and the fact that visuals are just artistic choices? Rhavkin (talk) 17:52, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Kaido never said anything about Luffy possessing immunity to fire. He said: "My flame doesn't work either?! Why not?!!", essentially just wondering why Luffy wasn't harmed, not saying anything about an ability he possesses. If he were to say something equivalent for Zoro's attack it would be "You scarred me?! How?! Did you use Conqueror's Haki?!!" But that's not what he said. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not just going off of visuals, I'm going off of what we know of Haoshoku. Again, answer me this: do we have 100% confirmation Zoro is a Haoshoku user? Or is it just likely because Kaido thinks that's the case? Because "is likely" isn't how thinks work around here, as far as I'm aware. The Pope 22:02, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

By that logic we should remove Sengoku, Kid and Hancock as well. Neither were shown using Haki and were just stated to have it. We can't only go on what we see, we trust that powerful and experience characters know what they are talking about. Do you think that in the world of One Piece, Kaido would overestimate his opponents, or that he would confuse Haki from another ability giving the fact that two pages later he was confirmed to have a mastery of Haoshoku possessed by only a selected few out of the one in a million users? Rhavkin (talk) 04:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Right. All three of those characters were definitively stated "They have Haoshoku". Here, Kaido is taking a guess. Extremely different. And yes, it's very possible Kaido could be confusing Asura for something else if, in fact, it is some kind of unique ability to Zoro. The Pope 06:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Kaido was the one who confirmed that Kid had Haoshoku Haki, but he has never been shown using it used. He hasn't misjudged an opponent's powers when he fought against them so far since he started fighting. Besides, Kaido is an experienced Pirate and Haoshoku Haki user who has been around and fought powerful Haoshoku Haki users, as well as using the advanced application of it, so I don't think that he would misaken it for being anything else.

This might not be the best example, but Hyogoro, who's experienced in using Busoshoku Haki was able to tell that Luffy used an advanced application of it after seeing it used once.DevilSlayer123 (talk) 07:48, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Again, I'm not saying Kaido doesn't know what he's talking about. The problem is that his line is him saying "You can use Haoshoku?!" and Zoro not confirming it. It's super vague is the problem. The Pope 16:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

As mentioned above, Kaido said it in that way to express surprise, he did not question Zoro having it, and Zoro not confirming it doesn't mean he doesn't have it. Remember that Luffy didn't knew he used it in Marineford. Rhavkin (talk) 16:58, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Oda kinda already teased it in Chapter 997. Besides, if it's revealed that Zoro doesn't, in fact, have Haoshoku Haki, then it can always be removed.DevilSlayer123 (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Nami's status
In 1058, we see Nami creating black lightning and Jimbei (an experienced pirate) detects it as Haoshoku haki. I'm aware that it was a gag, but Sasaki turning into a helicopter was also a gag. It's there for comedy, but it's still an actual ability that he can perform. I don't see why it would be any different from what we see with Nami this chapter.