Talk:Boa Hancock

Theory
Ok with the most recent chapter (515), and the mention of Lola's mother being a strong pirate in the new world, along with the risky brothers mention of her beauty and calling her an Empress.

Theory 1: It has to be theorized that Hancock must be the at least considered as the final Yonkou. I'm not theorizing myself rather, I'm just stating that it should begin to be discussed considering the fact that Luffy has talked with an Amazon about it, and we will be meeting her in the near future, since her ship was mentioned in 515 as beginning to approach the Amazons home island. All of this points to her as the final Yonkou or at least opened to discussion.

Theory 2: I also wanted to pose a second possible theory. Her name, Boa Hancock, could be relating ot her using snakes as weapons in some way or that she relates to snakes by either looking like one, or wearing something like one. Or even having a certain feature that makes her resemble a snake in some way. Thus, I'm opening the possibility that she also, if not a Yonkou, is the last unseen Shichibukai.

Please don't erase these as they're simply theories for now. I'm not predicting anything. I'm merely stating what has happened and placing it in line of what what happen or what she might be.

Daniel


 * Not a forum in which we can discuss theories: Try OPHQ or Arlong Park forums. --One-Winged Hawk 07:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Better yet, try Fun Piece's forum; far better then Arlong Park! - BattleFranky202 02:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Point noted. However, I was listing them in order to get you to realize and open up to the possibility of considering her name as a Yonkou or Shichibukai member(s). That's why I listed them.


 * ~Daniel


 * If she is Yonkou, Luffy's in the New World. Doubt it, so Luffy's still in the first half and she can't be Yonkou. Until she is confirmed to be with whoever, we just can't add them, or consider it. Thats how it works. Other then Mythbusters page, which she is already on. :-( --One-Winged Hawk 08:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

All this theory is jsut plain wrong, because handcock has been confirmed to be one of the seven warlord of the sea. so it is very inpossible that she isa yonkou. Also there is only four yonkou and all is male.


 * Everything regarding Lola's "Momma" is speculation at this point. Considering that Nami is the one with that Biblicard and was mentioned separately from Boa Hancock, I don't think it's her. Whatever is revealed will be revealed in due time but we shouldn't just throw mindless speculation out there on a Wiki. -StrangerAtaru 13:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

SHE CANT BE A YONKOU. SHE'S A SHICKIBUKAI!!!

Oh, she's a Shichibukai, her theme is a snake, devil fruit: turns people to stone, like Medusa--Thenewjericho 05:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * thank you for proving my edits 134.224.220.1


 * IT still doesn't change the fact we can't post it until the chapters out. :-/


 * And please... Sign your name with  ~ . --One-Winged Hawk 19:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * yeah, we are gonna post it tomorrow--Thenewjericho 22:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

LEARN HOW TO EDIT THE FUCKING PAGE!!!!
I just fixed 2 sentence errors and a misspelling in the Medusa based article in Boa Hancock's page. I'm tired of fixing these mistakes. I'm not a moderator nor am I a Wiki regular enough to care to fix them that often. But it's beginning to bug the fuck out of me.


 * Daniel

Damn, look, don't edit here anymore if you can't control your stinking attitude. I have came across many mistakes I find but do you see me go "OMG Edit the fucking page right!!"? No I simply go "no, not that" and fix it but gods man, your attitude is so horrible, don't bother coming back.

Joekido 01:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't actually know that you have dyslexia or that it was that big of a problem of how I acted about the problem to begin with. If i came off as mean I'm sorry, but this is being shown to the world, not one country, the world. We should take some pride creating the pages that people read because we're the source for One Piece facts, so we should should make sure our facts our right and properly written. Plus, are we not all over 18 or something? Don't we all know basic English grammar skills? Why am I the only one who has a problem with improper spelling? Plus, I don't feel like I can enjoy it as much, if instead of just reading about a character, I have to go through (like a factory worker or something) and correct faults that people have lazily made. Last but not least. Do you people not see what letters you're hitting on the keyboard? Look down once and while and maybe you'll see whats going on the screen before it happens. That way we won't have these mistakes to begin with. And for gods sake people, if it has a little red line under it, it and it's a common word in English or you know the spelling, go back and scan your page real quick. I assume we've all been taught basic page editing skills? Once again I apologize for the rant, but other people egged me on. Sorry


 * ~Daniel


 * I'm pretty sure everyone who edits here knows what they're writing when they're writing. As for the "Red Line" that commonly appears when you make a mistake, I'm not sure but I think there are some computers and computer programs that don't have it.Mugiwara Franky 05:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Um well that's great about everyone knowing what they're writing. But, the red line thing, is built in to the web page that your typing into at the moment. So any person typing anything on this Wikipedia, should have any problem seeing it when a grammatical error is made. So don't give me that bullshit by trying to stick up for them.


 * Daniel

If you don't like fixing one of the simplest of errors; why are you here? Because what editors DO is correct things and add new things to the page. You can't whine because we all have to correct each others mistakes, be it spelling or otherwise. As for 18 years old and over not being to spell... Well over 10% of all PEOPLE in the world are Dyslexic. And this covers all ages, so not every adult will be expected to be perfect. Though I know only that I am dyslexic and so I'm left in the dark wondering if others are whenever I do edit. I also view it that I should be correctly my own spelling, others should be correcting mine, but I should never be correct others spelling. In fact I feel that it lets the non-dyslexic side down and its rather embarrassing when I have to correct someone else over such things.

May I also correct you: We're a wikia and while we use the same wiki system, we're not part of wikipedia, we're independent. The reason why you don't see that many mistakes on wikipedia is because THOUSANDS edit there EVERY DAY! Here we have about ten editors on a day monitoring over 2,000 articles. And don't give any form of crap as a response about wikipedia standards, I was an editor there; I saw a lot of bad editing in my days there, worst then here. Before you start ranting and raving I suggest you go to wikipedia and become a regular there, monitor about thirty pages and after 1 year, come back to me and tell me what you saw because I know what I saw there. You don't see the sloppiness on wikipedia if you visit a page once or twice, but stick with one of the regularly editing pages for a long time and you'll see things that will melt your eyes off.

And an important note; If you don't like editing spelling, there are many other forms of editing you can do. Hell... You don't have to even edit at all, no one is commiting you t do more then any other editor.

Also:
 * 1) There are a lot of pages with references missing here and there. You know how to read manga don't you? Go to onemanga.com and read some chapters. Get those refs on pages. No spelling involved unless you WANT to do it at the same time. Just looking up what others have written and finding out when it happened, if at all.
 * 2) Tired of spelling; Learn encoding and get templates done.
 * 3) Also; check out the "Special Pages" and get some general monitoring done. Double redirects, for example, they might need sorting, dead end pages...Orphaned pages.
 * 4) Another option; we have 500 chapters of which only about 50 are written up. Want a break from spelling correction; Get those 450+ done that need doing! And lets not even discuss episodes because I don't even think there's more than ten done.
 * 5) Anti-vandalism duties; we get a vandal on every few days, if you don't like editing spelling then just stick to major vandals alert, or failing that between Monday-Thursday; Spoiler leaks.
 * 6) Picture uploader. Find some text, if theres room, put a picture there. Or failing that, suitable quotes to put on a page.

There you go a bunch of other peoples' spelling avoiding edits and all you can do independently at your own rate. Seriously... Before you rant and rave about how tired you are of correcting spelling, look at your other options and see if you can edit without having to put up with it. I've got a few more, but this is a big enough list anyway. ^_- --One-Winged Hawk 07:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

"Insert image of Joker from Dark Knight clapping" well said Angel, well said. If your tired of correcting something Dant, do something that Angel just listed and stop complaining.

Joekido 09:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I prefer to think of it as this. --One-Winged Hawk 17:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I give up. The battle and war are yours. I just, I give up.
 * ~Daniel


 * There was never a battle nor a war so no one won. But in the end the choice is yours, if you wish to continue correcting spellings, then go ahead but stop complaining as its something we all have to do. If you wish to avoid it, the ways of doing so have been presented in front of you. On every wiki is MANY things one can do; you don't have to take the obvious route but all we ask is that you don't constanly whine about whatever editing you do. --One-Winged Hawk 07:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Falcon Punch!!!!--Thenewjericho 00:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Just to make sure
"She is also the only female member of the Shichibukai" Are we absolutely certain that Jinbei is male? Are You Serious 03:27, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeps. Its been stated since... Arlong Park.


 * If I'm wrong... I'll eat my Zoro P.O.P. figure.--One-Winged Hawk 08:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Gorgon business
Reading the spoilers... Yeah, its NICE and all we have the gorgon thing coming out but I don't want us jumping to conclusions. It seems a little odd for Oda to suddenly include another form of curse as big as the Devil Fruits. I fear we may presume what the Kuja say is correct and just go with it only to find Oda's.... Pulled an Oda on us. :-/ --One-Winged Hawk 00:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad Oda is doing a different curse other then Devil Fruit which is old. What Oda did was pulling a different element rather then being creative with other things. Make more Oda.

This is like Rokushiki/Mantra/Haki/Life Return/etc. etc.

Joekido 05:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but don't be surprised if Oda does pull a Oda on us. Its not the first time he has done it and won't be the last. Oda's a GOOD writer and a lot of people fall into Oda's snares when they happen, only to be completely shocked when he turns round and surprises us with the truth I'm the only one calling this as a lie... So I'm not going to be surprised if and when it happens. ^_- --One-Winged Hawk 08:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I hate it when Oda does that. When I first heard of "Demons of Ohara", I though there will be real demons but then we find out that "Demons of Ohara" is nothing more then a political term. Then Oda introduce Brook, At first I thought it would be a new race of skeletons but then we found out he ate the DF. I really wish Oda would stop that and make something real, not misleading use into thinking that there is a real thing only to find out it's fake.

Joekido 11:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The chapter, even in the spoilers, seems to contradict itself in it being something other than Devil Fruit powers. The biggest evidence of this is when Luffy sees Hancock's back and not only not turns to stone but also recognizes what's ever on her back. If the eye curse was true then Luffy should have been turned to stone since in the explanation it said "anyone" who looks at the sisters' backs turns to stone.Mugiwara Franky 15:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The gorgon curse is fake.. it was just to hide the fact that there is a tatoo on their backs showing they were slaves.

Flower reference?
Hancock's article in this site seems to state that her name comes from this flower. Unfortunately. I can't understand German nor am I a flower expert outside what is stated in forums. Can someone clarify this.Mugiwara Franky 15:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.taunton.com/finegardening/plantguide/symphoricarpos-x-chenaultii-hancock-chenault-coralberry.aspx

I'm not sure if this is really where her name comes from though. It doesn't seem like it's actually a flower, just a plant. --72.82.15.15 19:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

http://translate.google.com.mx/translate_t#de|en|Wie%20bei%20allen%20Bewohnerinnen%20der%20Insel%20Amazon%20Lily%20leitet%20sich%20auch%20ihr%20Name%20von%20einer%20Pflanze%20ab.%20In%20ihrem%20Fall%20ist%20es%20die%20Symphoricarpos%20Chenaultii%20Hancock%2C%20die%20Niedrige%20Purpurbeere%2C%20eine%20Unterart%20der%20Knallerbse --Thenewjericho 22:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Luffy's resistance
Everyone editing today seems to have missed Hancock's sisters' comments on how Luffy dodged the attack with fear of dying, and that Luffy expected a Noro Noro beam. He prepared himself expecting to die while slowed down by the wrong type of beam he was being hit by. That's Luffy's simple mind for you... One-Winged Hawk 11:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. Let me explain, people keep going on about his simple minded and all but if he resisted it via this reason I find it hard to swallow. We can only write what's in the text, so we have only the gorgon sister's words. As proven at least twice in the past, Luffy is easily effected by hypnotic or influence based powers: Jango and Miss Goldenweek. Therefore, his simple mindedness would once again effect more then he is suppose to be effected by.


 * While we can note Alvida was the only other proof of his view of women, she still didn't use a thought controlling power. Also, he didn't understand how she could be the same Alvida as before, as well as what the hell she was talking about when she spoke about why she was chasing him which. These things just caused him too much confusion. In other words, the circumstances in the two cases are completely different. One-Winged Hawk 07:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Regardless of his view on women, Luffy is also void of any [noticeable] carnal or wicked desires. Notice her power to turn living creatures to stone rest solely on the idea that the victim must have wickedness in their heart. 65.13.51.117 01:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nami bath scene.


 * Before you say otherwise; SBS Oda stated Luffy is a young man growing up and is curious as any other on women. Or something like that. One-Winged Hawk 07:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the fact that he didn't turn to stone is proof enough of his desire towards women (or lack thereof). That as well as the reaction to the bath scene with Boa, the self-proclaimed most beautiful woman. It might be better to just analyze the character thus far rather than rest on that idea. 65.13.51.117 01:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I won't repeat all the things I've said in the previous comments because I'm not sure you're even reading them. One-Winged Hawk 07:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure you're comprehending my commentary.


 * You've read thus far, and you know the rules of Hancock's power. The victim is petrified through use of their dormant wicked intention; fact established. Oda's comment has no relevance to the topic as curiosity and desire are two different sides of two different tokens. Luffy simply doesn't show any appetite for pleasure; or, at the very least, he doesn't dwell on that desire. What Hancock needs for that power to work is wicked, or lustful ardor.


 * It's a bit redundant, but maybe repetition will help you see the point I'm trying to make. We seem to be on totally different chapters. 65.13.51.117 01:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I read the points you made, but you seem to not be reading the points I made. I will now repeat myself (annoyed because I didn't want to).


 * Luffy already mistook her powers and got confused about them
 * The Gorgon sisters said it was because he was afraid of death, this is the only other piece of evidence we have.
 * By the time the arena happened, Luffy was too angry to fall for Hanock's powers anyway after what she did to the girls. Once Luffy's mind set on something, that's it pretty much.
 * Nami bath scene, Luffy looked and got a nosebleed with the others. Nosebleed by Japanese manga = pervertedness. Luffy knows perverted stuff just the same as anyone else.
 * Oda confirmed Luffy is curious of women in a SBS in regard to the bath scene.
 * Luffy doesn't understand love, but that doesn't mean he isn't aware of it, see two the two points above. Hence his reaction to Alvida, plus he was still confused as to how she could be the same Alvida he met before.
 * Simple mildness means he should fall for her powers more, not less. See Jango and Miss Goldenweek. Particular on Miss Goldenweek, Luffy was confirmed to fall for it easier because of his simplemindedness.


 * Please read all of that now, I've made it easier for you to understand. One-Winged Hawk 07:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * In regard to curious bit, if you believe the Nami x Luffy fans, they'd be pulling your arms and legs off by now. Lol. In regards to pleasure, yeah he knows what that is, but I' sure he doesn't know sexual pleasure. But lets not go down that path. This isn't a forum. One-Winged Hawk 07:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hancock's Age
Not that I am complaining, but should we be posting her age when we are not certain what it is? I mean, between 24 to 36 is a huge difference. Should we leave this out until we have more specific confirmation? Yatanogarasu 11:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really... The more important thing is we know she isn't something like 18 or 43. One-Winged Hawk 09:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, hey can we not mess about with the age. Its been worked out she is between 27 and 36 with the latest chapter. Bu until Oda gives the age, we're stuck waiting on him now unless more info gets in the chapters. One-Winged Hawk 08:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Right now it says Hancock's age is 27 exactly. Can anyone give me the calculations and info on how they got that? I have a hard time on getting it myself. Yatanogarasu 1:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

OKAY!

Heres how its worked out:


 * 1) Hatchi saved Rayleigh's life 20 years ago then joined the Sunny pirates.
 * 2) Hancock was 16 when she escaped
 * 3) Arlong invited Nami's town 8 years ago.
 * 4) By the time Arlong got to Nami's village the Sunny pirates had already fallen apart by then.
 * 5) From that we work out she is between 24 (8 + 16) and 36 (20 + 16).
 * 6) She was emperess 11 years ago (that makes it now 16 + 11).
 * 7) Her age is between 27 and 36.

I wish people wouldn't keep altering things... Unless Oda says so we have no definate age here yet. One-Winged Hawk 18:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay I should point out why the gap; though he know she escaped at 16, we don't know WHEN that was. We know that she was Emperess 11 years ago, but how long had passed since she was freed? One-Winged Hawk 19:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, for your third point, you said that the Sunny Pirates have already fallen, but isn't that when it was formed when Fisher Tiger freed all the fishmen slaves? Yatanogarasu 13:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoops don't know what happened there but some stuff was deleted... I have no idea what else was meant to be on point #3. Sorry for the confusion, I've corrected it now. One-Winged Hawk 21:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Bringing up a piece of trivia
One of the trivia entries say that Hancock is the only Shichibukai that Luffy didn't fight. But if I recall, he never fought Mihawk either, Zoro did. Should we change the entry to say she's the only member no straw-hat has fought?202.173.150.106 04:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Luffy tried to attack Mihawk after Zoro lost; he just failed miserably.

Another piece of Trivia: In the japanese version Boa Hancock has a certain speech pattern, where she uses an older version of the pronoun "you" (which is similar to our english "thou"). Additionally she adresses herself with a rarer version of "I" ("Warawa "). This quirk plays right into her noble image of an empress (and builds a sharp contrast to Monkey D. Luffy's speech pattern for instance). Maybe add it to the Trivia section?--KikiCoco 17:06, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree - now that is some interesting trivia. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 10:47, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

One Little Thing
Ever since the new opening came out, I've seen the lead image for Hancock flip-flop. Could we just decide on one image until we get a proper image from the anime? I know its kinda minor but it bothers me :) Strategist9 20:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

How tall is Boa Hancock?
I noticed that she is taller than Luffy and he is 5'7, is there anyway to tell how tall she is?

Compared to both pictures she seems to be at least 6 ft 3 inches, even when you take into account her heels.- XXstaticXX

Another thing that i found was her sitting next to luffy, (episode 418) in this one she seems at least a few inches/cm taller than him while sitting down! - XXstaticXX


 * I'm sorry for editing someone else's posting, but those images were way too large and placed wrongly for this tiny section. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 19:43, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

There is a general method of doing something like this... But first you've got to work out on Luffy how much a foot is. Once you've done that, you take Hancock and measure her. Alternatively, a "rough" guess would be to use head height of Luffy against Hancock, but this isn't a accurate method. One-Winged Hawk 08:56, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Luffys love life?
Will luffy ever fall in love with hancock?

Most likely not. It seems more played for laughs, and there's a pretty big age gap. --24.21.225.197 08:12, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Automated transfer of Problem Report #22658
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The age of Boa Hancock is not 27-36 her age is 16!read the chapter :hoof of the soaring dragon(521) and read it carefully!

She was 16 when she was freed. The time frame of 27-36 is built upon a number of facts, namely that she has been empress for 11 years and that Hatchan saved Rayleigh 20 years ago.132.170.89.157 13:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, we get dumb reports like this from time to time... One-Winged Hawk 21:26, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

He never came back even after I commented on his talk page. I think he was just a troll or something. Drunk Samurai 19:20, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Locked page
Why is it impossible to further edit Hancock's page?Buh6173 14:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Related lock due to edit war with Aiddon‎ about whether it's the Devil Fruit or her beauty that causes people to oogle at her. Discussion found here.Mugiwara Franky 15:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, can it get unlocked so we can contribute relevant information?


 * Either when there is an consesus or after one week of discussion.Mugiwara Franky 16:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It's ridiculous that we can't update important information on recent chapters. At least unlock one of the two pages that were locked.


 * The problem is that unlocking one will cause an edit war. It would be half as bad as an edit war between two pages, but would be just as tiring since both sides will focus more on one page for the war. To make things faster, maybe you can give your thoughts on the matter in the corresponding talk page.Mugiwara Franky 17:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Mero Mero no Mi
The Mero Mero no Mi is merely suspected to cause Hancock's charms. When editing, please state "it is suspected/implied but unknown". There was already a huge debate over this over on the Mero Mero no Mi page and neither side could come a concrete conclusion. Until Oda states otherwise, please state it is only a possibility.--Aiddon 19:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon

Nobody cares since you only came to change those sections. You must be from Arlong Park. The idiots always come from there. Drunk Samurai 19:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no account on Arlong Park, though I do browse there for spoilers or cosplay pictures.--Aiddon 19:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon

Boa Hancock Called Kujas Her Brethren or Not?
I know the scanlation one onemanga has Boa Hancock call the Kuja her brethren (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/521/17/), but in Stephen's translation it says,

Strangely enough, it was the powers of the fruits, the Mero Mero Fruit and Hebi Hebi Fruit, fed to us for entertainment when we were slaves......that have helped us mislead our country and protect our secret. If you had not hidden Sonia's back at that moment......we would have been unable to remain here. We must not have a single soul learn of our past!! (http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter521.txt)

As you can see, in Stephen's translation, she says she was able to deceive her country, not her brethren. So my question is shouldn't the part in her relationships section about the Kuja have that edited out? Unless of course Stephen was wrong there and in that case, please let me know that. NANLIT 13:52, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Her brethren and her country are the same people. Her brethren (or sisteren?) means the Kuja. Her country means Amazon Lily which includes the Kuja.Mugiwara Franky 14:13, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I can remember from one of the street fighter movies that the sumo guy said to ryu "We Japanese brothers have to stick together", its more or less the same context. Even with that in mind the text portrays her attitude as need be here on the page. One-Winged Hawk 17:57, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Starting Bounty
Was it actually stated that her starting bounty was 80,000,000? I don't recall if it was or not. Drunk Samurai 18:02, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * It states she attacked a place and was given a bounty of 80k. So most presume its talking about her starting bounty.  One-Winged Hawk 18:12, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Nyon said that Boa Hancock got her bounty on her first campaign. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/522/06/ NANLIT 21:11, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Most Beautiful Woman
It should be said that she is the most beautiful woman, because whether or not the mermaid princess is more beautiful, she is a mermaid not a woman - 72.27.185.82 20:41, October 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * The mermaids are still "men" even though their a different species. If you read the manga more closely, theres a discrimination for the mermaids and fishmen because some folks in the OP just see them as fish. So to say the mermaid princess isn't a woman would be replicating that OP world discrimination no?  Plus "most beautiful" is purely editor opinion based, however "she is CONSIDERED the most beautiful in the OP world" isn't opinion (that shouldn be reworded if used BTW).  One-Winged Hawk 21:02, October 1, 2009 (UTC)