User talk:Angel Emfrbl

''Note: Every twenty responses, I archive my discussion page. This is for my benefit, otherwise I forget things if I just delete them. ''


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I request
That you archive your talk page! Its positively bakchanalian :P --New Babylon 00:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh I wasn't paying attention to my talk page again... Yeah I'll sort it out tomorrow when I've got a whole day ahead of me. >_<' One-Winged Hawk 23:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh almost forgot, its a day late but the page is now archieved. :-) One-Winged Hawk 15:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Searching the Wikia
Is there anyway to search on a Wikia for certain words? Like say I searched for Luffy and it would show all the pages that contain the word Luffy in it? I know that it does that when there is no page created for an article. I was wondering if there was a way to search like that even when the page is created. It would be easier if I could search and then edit anything that's out of place. Drunk Samurai 19:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Therre's the search function . :/ --New Babylon 00:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It brings up on Luffy's page, DS wants EVERY page with Luffy on it. One-Winged Hawk 06:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I can ask the Wikia staff to see if they can create that? It's really needed since it also helps against vandalism. Drunk Samurai 23:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Best option. Though it wouldn't suprise me if the function isn't looking at us... Mocking us behind our backs for not noticing its existance.  X-D One-Winged Hawk 23:18, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I knew about it before but I didn't realize it was such a huge problem until I tried searching the Fairy Tail wikia since people like to change the names on there. Drunk Samurai 19:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

So
How are you? Im positively misserable, soar throat (in the sence it hurts whenever I swallow) again. Also, I created a page called "Pages in need of atention", it's linked on the Page issues, which also has a few issues I wanted to have adressed.

Otherwise, nothing major hapened. --New Babylon 01:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea... Its late at night for me, but I can most, if not all, locations need attention thats for sure... I'll see if I can help tomorrow, when I'm sleeped up. One-Winged Hawk 23:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The sacred sword movie is by far the worst off, we have almost nothing on that one . --New Babylon 10:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no info on that movie. The trouble with the movies is their not canon, which means less people are likely to know about it.  I have movie 2, 3 and 4 of which I skipped over Chopper's movie because the thing bore me.  :-/ One-Winged Hawk 18:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Someone needs to watch it . We are missing large chunks of story from the character articles or any information about the characters and clarity as to who they are . Also, the Chopper movie is decent, its like a cross between Muaghli from Kipling and the island of rare animals thing with Gaimon .  And, the scene where their masacring the animals and throwing them in the waterfall, and the scene where Butler eats horns are prety nice . --New Babylon 20:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Chopper's my least fav. SH either on top of that and on top of that out of the 3 movies I have, thats the only one where the artwork hurts my eyes. I'd explain why... But most don't get the problem I have anyway.  :-(  One-Winged Hawk 21:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Law
I changed the Law HD pic as per your request. Is it acceptable now? RecklessFire 08:14, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've finished uploading HD versions of the supernova (excluding Zoro and Luffy). Let me know what you think. ^^ EDIT: I forgot about clicking the licensing for the Capone pic, not sure what to do. ^^;RecklessFire 05:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

HD Pics
I'll have to download it. I only have MD on my hard drive. I can get it soon, I hope. RecklessFire 10:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. RecklessFire 11:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Next Episode
Hey, please update the anime episodes ^^ the OP394 is now available and the next episode is OP395"Timeline, Human Auction Begins".


 * Yo Cold, can you sign yur posts at the end with "~", it kinda helps to follow what people are saying easier. Anyway, I'm not sure who is updating the front page... New Babylon does the featured article mostly when no one else does so New Babylon's pretty much in charge with that souly.  As for everything else, it gets updated whenever someone decides.  I myself get into the habbit of "well our contents more important then our front page..." I must admit. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 08:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Ahh. thank you.... so that's how to sign.....Coldhandzz 09:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

What do you think?
"Make good choices and never let your mind wonder off"

Is this a good mesage?

Young Piece 01:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Kalifa
Her affiliation tag doesn't seem to be working right. I tinkered with it but got no results. Think you can help out? And maybe tell me how it's done? Sorry to ask, but quite frankly you're the only person I've talked to on here. lol RecklessFire 05:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Help XD
Lol got your reference thingy. could you send me like an example thing? thanks. :D--Legendary857 00:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Favicon
Umm, I don't know if you notice but the Favicon has been changed to a Belli sign by Hollow ichigo. The Favicon is the pic that shows up beside the site's address. It would be so much help if you would give your thoughts on this.Mugiwara Franky 01:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

A little problem
Ok, Coldhandzz is really annoying, call me crazy but isn't this Fanart http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Califa1.jpg?


 * The main prob is Cold replaces reasonable pics for poor quality ones. I'm not sure if thats fanart, its not normal fanarty style but then again, I've never seen that pic before. One-Winged Hawk 06:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Here, I just edited that ^^ Coldhandzz 07:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Then it's ...ok? I think--Thenewjericho 00:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Zoro First Mate
Do you have the link to the AP page where they said the correct translation of http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/499/17/ was not first mate? Drunk Samurai 02:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Can you answer this? I really need to find that translation. Drunk Samurai 06:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, unfortantely not. >_<


 * I can't remember the translation they gave, but in the entire series it never says Zoro was his first mate.  That much we can tell.  But... As far as things go, I've never seen the argument of Rayleigh being first mate, so as far that is concerned, he is a first mate.  The only OTHER thing I can suggest; look up the chapter script, should be on AP try the topic.  Possibly the spoiler topic or main topic may have the full script.  One-Winged Hawk 07:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah... I hit saved and remembered another problem. There is not really a word used to describe Zoro's position.  No one really says what Zoro is on the crew.  The closet we have is champion/partner, one of those two mentioned waaaay back in the early chapters, trouble with that is there isn't a full script just laying around.  Most of the time, he is marked as "The Straw Hats Swordsman", in regard to his status amongst the crew.  But this isn't regarded as his crews position, just stating ashis weapon of choice.


 * In short, chpater 499 may not even give away his position, you see the problem? The only OTHER thing... the Data Books. One-Winged Hawk 07:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The databooks didn't list him as first mate though. There really is no first mate because they are like a family and they all take orders from each other. Can you also check the talk page of Yomi Yomi no Mi? Drunk Samurai 22:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Then the conclusion is always the same as usual, we can't ever label him as a First Mate. Swordsman, yes, Luffy's partner/champion, yes, First Mate, no... We lack the evidence still.


 * Whoops, tiredness slipping in, saved page before I finished. I#ve left a little aid on the Yomi page... I hope that helps a little.  :-/One-Winged Hawk 23:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not Arlong Park but it does answer the question. Drunk Samurai 06:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it proves the point across. Hey... I think we need to add that to Zoro's "Translation and Dub Issues". ^_^ One-Winged Hawk 08:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

New Devil Fruit
Hey Angel, have you heard the news about chapter 540 on AnimeSuki.com lately? There's a Devil Fruit that Inazuma has called the Choki Choki no Mi. Rainbowman 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I was away up from the 20th until the 27th. I had catching up to do. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 07:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Bodysize Images
Hey I found a bunch of body size images here but very small, so I want you to find the high quality of |this images. Just tell me because i can edit them 210.5.126.9 23:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow Coldhandzz 11:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Can you look at all the images being uploaded? The Mr. 1 image screams fanart to me because of the hands. Drunk Samurai 08:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Its not, I think its from one of the games... But we should have a FULL body image there so at the end of the day the requirements are met really. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 10:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Another one Coldhandzz 11:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

A SBS [http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xkstation.com%2Feveryonepeace%2F&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate ] Coldhandzz 12:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Even if they are from the games the manga/anime ones are better. The problem is they don't use the same colors or they are not as good quality. Drunk Samurai 22:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Cold Hands
So, is he a vandal or a troll, his edits on the talk pages seem..... trollish.

Also, I would imagine that an IP check should be made, even if it is blatantly obvious, just in case, so we can say we were positively sure it was him, and that we did all we could to discount any other eventuality.

And how has you been anyway ? You stil in school ? (XD) --New Babylon 12:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I say that's why we should IP check.

And anything else happened here that I should know of, like us being sold to the Koreans for example ? But lets move on, who else on this site can delete images, theres a crap load of unused/dupe stuff that just literaly takes up space. --New Babylon 14:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not just those two. It's also that one IP address too. Drunk Samurai 19:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if there was a way you could only have the power to delete files, I would gladly do it, because I like big tasks, with alot of things to do . --New Babylon 20:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Site Color
Please give your suggestions and other stuff for the site's color here.Mugiwara Franky 02:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

What's the idea?
Hey Angel, why did you undo my edit on Nami? Roronoa Zoro has been mentioned as the secondary protagonist of One Piece, so why can't I get to describe Nami as main female character and/or protagonist? She's got to count for something other than just theif/navigator. Haven't you heard the saying, "Behind every good man is a good woman"? Now I'm not angry at you, it's just I wanted to have Nami be as important a character as Luffy is. Rainbowman 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * To be fair, I'll remove Zoro's comment. It shouldn't be there.  Only Luffy's page should mention that stuff, all the rest are supporting cast. One-Winged Hawk 23:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Discusion
Lets please keep it on the Page Issues page rather then on the talk pages of users, this is a general issue. --New Babylon 21:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You misunderstood which page I was talking about, I have replied on that on the PI page . --New Babylon 22:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Multiple Issues
[]

I left a comment on the talk page there. I think if we work on it we can use [] with all the differences combined instead of separate articles.

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I also left a comment here because I'm not sure what the proper name is. Drunk Samurai 08:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I forgot to mention What should we do with this article? Drunk Samurai 09:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I just thought of something. Is there really a need for articles [] like that? Maybe we can make one article for articles like those and delete the other pages. Another one I noticed is animal articles that could probably be merged into their own article like Wikipedia had. I just saw your comment on my talk page. Maybe we should just delete the articles then. I was just using the old articles widget and going through stuff just in case their were mistakes. Drunk Samurai 10:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought about working on a One Piece locations article especially now. Just split it between canon and filler how Wikipedia USE to be. Personally I think all characters should have their own page regardless of their role but that's it. The Animal page is needed. Quantity doesn't matter when trying to compete if the articles are horrible. One Piece will most likely get that many articles without having pointless articles if Oda keeps on introducing a lot of stuff. Drunk Samurai 10:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

[] What do you think about my plan here? Also what do you think the article name should be for the locations? Drunk Samurai 05:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok I took care of a lot of the issues. Ezboard isn't really that good. I might be able to set up a Phpbb forum but only have the One Piece Wikia section as a sub forum since I was planning on making a general one. Maybe we could make a club here [] It's free space and it's a good site to categorize any manga/anime you have read/watched. I'm going to bed now. Those edits took me like 4 hours. Drunk Samurai 12:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

El Idioma
My english is very bad, because i am Spanish... do you know anything about Spanish? --Gandulfo88 15:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey!
Why did you remove my Pirate King section?! D:< -- One Piece Of Romance Dawn 18:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Please comment
Please comment give your comments here about whether there should be summaries in the Chapters and Volumes page. There is another edit war with Drunk Samurai and it's with FusionFaller this time.Mugiwara Franky 02:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you think we need rearrange the main page
In main page, the right column is too long. It push all Current Event and Announment too low. Can we change the width of columns or put the ads to another place (under the lelf column) or change "Did you know..."?--RobertTheodore 06:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

SBS
They aren't a clone of Arlong Park. All articles based on One Piece Manga Volumes (Japanese) and the English translation http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/onepiece.html made by Stephen! Please Restore the Previous Articles Unless you have your Own/Better translation so go ahead and Write a Proper/Compete articles! Blanking pages without reason is vandalism. And Remember SBS article is not for References is Question/Answer article. --Tipota 23:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

i asked Stephen long ago if I can take his translation of SBS to put in this site, he says yes and if you don"t believe me, go E-mail him

Joekido 07:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If thats okay, then fine. I vaguely recall you saying that now you've said that.  Still, My concern remains that despite all this, we're still ending up a Arlong Park clone.  Even if you take note of Stephen's translations, the fact remains the newer pages were being set up in the same format as AP.  Most of the SBS is fluff from Oda anyway, useless to our purposes.  We only need the important stuff.  Still, I'm open to suggestions.  Unlike chapters though, which we link directly to in references, SBSs are not linked.  There remains only one link from the SBS on half of them. Example, tell me where the links to other pages are here exactly? Most of them are ending up as dead end pages.


 * If they were handled better, to our needs then it would be fine to let them return. I was going to redirect the rest today, I'll lay off for 48 hours or so so a new plan can be thought up for them.  I'll continue what I'm doing as I'm using that list to figure out what we have and haven't got on the pages. When I'm done I'll use it as a check list. One-Winged Hawk 07:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I will restore the SBS pages but I keep only the important question about one piece, is that okay? To remove them completely and replace them with references (all of them already exist) make the article useless.--Tipota 10:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I changed only the SBS Volume 4 (30 questions → 14) also Template added I want your Opinion/Suggestions. --Tipota 14:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Matter with Son of God-Enel

 * Son of God Enel before logging in took out some text in Story Arcs.
 * Drunk Samurai reverted his edit and left just a single message that could can be easily missed on Enel's anon talk page.
 * Enel apparently didn't see the message and removed the text again.
 * Drunk Samurai reverted again and an edit war happened.
 * People noticed the edit war and tried talking it out in the Talk Page of the Story Arcs.
 * After at least a week, I locked the page since the edit war was unproductive.
 * When lock was gone, I asked Enel and blocked him for a short while for discussion sake.
 * It was revealed that he was taking out the text for good reason. He however didn't know about talking before hand.
 * Most of the people affected by the Edit War see Enel's reasoning and have decided to side with him.
 * Drunk Samurai's calling Enel's actions idiotic and continuing to call him a vandal.

Here's a repetition of what I stated in Son of Enel's talk page in case it gets lost. In any case, Son of God Enel is a new user, Drunk Samurai didn't help or explain things to him properly, and DS fought him in an edit war which affected alot of people.Mugiwara Franky 09:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Drunk Samurai Blocked
Due to comments found in the talk page of Son of God-Enel which show clear harassment and hostility made by Drunk Samurai to the new user, I have blocked DS for 1 month. He can however still plead his case in his talk page.Mugiwara Franky 01:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

help please??
hi i just want to ask some help in editing the nemu nemu no mi page all my problems was in the discussion page of the page ok and please hurry before it got deleted. thanks

User:Rainelz 09:44, 15 june 2009 (UTC)

Hey I know you
You're that dumb bitch from Arlong Park who once whined about getting spoiled.Quexinos Name of user added by Angel Emfrbl


 * I'm suprised you have the memory capacity to remember that much to be honest since we're talking at least a year or so ago. I'm also suprised you are such a noob at this wikia thing... You didn't have the decent thought of signing your name next to your message.  Come on... This is basic stuff.  One-Winged Hawk 07:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Carter, enough.

Joekido 07:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

quit stalking me, joe Quexinos Name of user added by Angel Emfrbl
 * She, when she is not dealing with some problematic users on her own site, has much better manners . --New Babylon 20:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Games
Youre asking the wrong guy. I have next to no idea about anything related to the games. How are you, by the way ? --New Babylon 20:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What New Babylon said, the same goes for me. I stopped buying console games after Nintendo 64 and the 1st PlayStation. I can't afford to buy a new console every time another one is no longer used (PS2, PS3, X-Box, GameCube...sheesh!). I only play PC games now, if there any One Piece computer games in the US, let me know.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 21:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

London Girl, you got it easy. You don't constantly bet with youself to the point of beting your own life on how fast the elevators gonna come up. Yeah, I realy had a screw loose for a bit .Not talking about being paranoid about my computer being mischevious and semi-self aware at times :P --New Babylon 21:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't really care. I'm more concerned about the articles related to the manga and the anime. As long as you do it reasonably, it doesn't really matter to me how you handle the ones about games and other merchandise.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 22:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Shichibukai Size Issue
I know Kuma and Moria aren't giants (at least species-wise). I meant someones with excessive growth and height significantly above average. To avoid confusion, I changed it.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 22:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear lord deliver us
Crocodile's Hook

I have no idea what Yata was smoking.

I can't even say I have nothing to say, cause I said that in reaction to the Chuck Norris bounty poster. This is just a litle less worse .--New Babylon 00:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

A Question about Page moving problem or something...
I'm from tr.onepiece.wikia.com and it's a brand new site. Well, we have a problem because of being a fresh blossom on wikia. Now, the problem is, admin moved the page "Talk:Main Page" (Tartışma:Ana sayfa in Turkish) to Shichibukai page. Then unluckily, I noticed that there is something wrong and moved the page back to its place to Talk:Main Page and emptied the page. And guess what happened? -.-" It's my mistake that I didn't noticed that I moved the "Shichibukai" to Main Page, I thought that it was just a clone page, but it turned out to be not. I want you to help us before it gets worse. :) Could you give us a hand please? Please visit usKelemer 18:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I've done it. Sorry for your time. Kelemer 18:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The Gol D.-en Years on the Grand Line.
On the Mythbuster's page, you keep reverting to say that Roger entered the Grand Line 3 years before his death and it took him 2 years to cross it. But Rayleigh said Crocus was with them for 3 years before they disbanded. Since Crocus was the only one who could help Roger with his illness, he may have been the one to tell him about it, 4 years before dying. Even if Crocus wasn't the one to tell him, what makes you think Roger waited a year after finding out to go on a final voyage? He didn't seem like the type to wait.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 06:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

But Crocus was a pirate for 3 years. If their journey through the Grand Line took only 2 years before they disbanded, then he would've been a pirate for only 2. According to Rayleigh, it was 3 years later that Crocus told them Roger couldn't go on and that "their journey through the Grand Line was over". And I doubt it would take him a year to find Crocus since they knew he was 'of the Twin Capes'; Which leads back to my original question: "Why would Roger wait a year to (find Crocus and) start his final voyage?"
 * Kaizoku-Hime 07:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand now. I'm usually a cricital thinker; it's just that the last week of June had been hectic for me. One of my favorite music-artists since childhood had died (if you don't know who, then you should watch the news more often). But the death of a celebrity was no reason to do badly on a PHYSIOLOGY exam. Then my boyfriend got into a car accident; it was just a minor fender-bender, but still. And my almost-sister wasn't feeling well...So can you blame me for not thinking clearly?
 * Kaizoku-Hime 03:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I know that there's no commitment, but...I remember you said that this wiki gives you a thing to help take your mind off your problems. Well, the same goes for me. While the series differs depending on what I'm into or what I'm in the mood for at the time, anime and manga have always been (and probably always will be) my escapism.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 06:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Killer Trivia
I don't really understand why you removed that stuff on Killer's trivia about the whole Goku thing. I wasn't the one who added it in the first place, no, but I figure since Oda is a fan of Akira Toriyama and his Dragonball series, it makes sense now that you think about it. Killer's hair does greatly resemble the Super Saiyain 3 transformation. Subrosian 19:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol...You mistook that for an attack? :/ You must be pretty tensed up for whatever reason. That was a simple question, nothing more. You answered it, and that's all I wanted. Thanks. Subrosian 03:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like you should take some time off. :/ I recall you telling someone else to take a day or two off from constant editing and just relax. I'm sure there's plenty of other sensible people here to cover routine edits besides you. Subrosian 19:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Pics
Hi! Funny thing, I was finished before you post the message. So yeah, I'm working in improving the episode articles and seeing that someone took over 5 episodes and finished what I was doing I supposed he stopped when he saw no more picture for the new template. I think they look good! so I was about to finish that job. TheMario 10:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, about that. It's very confusing and very subjective to opinion what "frame" from each episode is descriptive enough to summarize all the episode so I stopped trying to do that at the 6th episode. At least with the title you can ensure that it shows the same thing. And please, don't compare me with someone that used the wikia as an image host, I'm really trying to help around here. TheMario 10:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello again Miss Angel, I just read you last message and aside of noteing it a little bit rude and frustrted from your part I offer you to have a discussion with other parties interested in the Episode pages conflict so we as a Community can get to an agreement and so I can get back to work in the episode pages. I posted my offerings in Forum:Index page. TheMario 00:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:
1. I did not move the pages to the format 001 etc., I merely changed the double redirects (I.e. Those redirects which redirect to another redirect) to redirect to the proper page, I believe you should talk to User:TheMario as it would appear that he was the person who moved them originally. If you meant it in the sense that I should revert the redirect changes I made well, I'll revert them when the pages are moved back to their "Proper" places, till then well, I don't see the harm in leaving them, just ends up as more work for me which might not even be needed. 2. Sorry about not signing, it's a long standing bad habit of mine. ;) 3. From my end it still shows Problem #22658 as "Pending", meaning it's not been closed and so is open to comment, which I did so. Sorry if I was too ambiguos in my wording I assumed people would read the comment that the person before me had made and then read mine, I'll remember in future to be more specific about such things. Galrauch 16:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)