Talk:Seki

King Sekis status
Was advised to make a talk page after my previous edit so ill carry over my reasonings on here: King Seki and Komane were locked within the prison of Lulusia and the last thing she and Seki saw was the mother flame destroying the entirety of the country with her still on it, and we see later the destruction left a giant gap in the sea where the country used to be, it is a little unreasonable to assume they survived that, and their statuses should reflect that. Kingu0fW1 (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

There's no reason to assume they weren't taken off Lulusia to be brought into Revolutionary Army custody. They're shown to be inside a room, with no details on their exact location, and as we know with Sabo, the light reflected a wide amount of the island. Walrsu (talk) 03:48, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Unless the events we see in chapter 1060 happen out of order... when exactly would the revolutionary army have time to place Seki and Komane under custody inside a prison that is supposedly off the island before the mother flame activates? when Sabo wasn't able to fully get in contact with them before the island was annihilated, and the surviving residents were on an escape ship leaving the island itself? and they don't reach Momoiro Island until chapter 1082. chapter 1060 show multiple citizens talking with Seki and Komane on the island itself and they are next seen reacting to seeing the mother flame above them along with Seki visibly reacting to the mother flame with them as well, the aftermath shows the entirety of Lulusia's land destroyed, Sabo and the surviving Lulusia residents were taken off the island via a ship, unless that ship had a stone room big enough to fit two people in custody within it there would be no reason to assume Seki and Komane were there. Kingu0fW1 (talk) 12:43, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding to the matter, but given 1060s events the implication seems clear that Seki and Komane were on the island of Lulusia as prisoners following the citizens revolution and that they along with some citizens were caught up in the mother flame blast killing them in the process, there isnt any implication that they were taken off the island via ship, unlike what we see with Sabo and other Lulusia residents in 1082. R0cks D.G0at (talk) 23:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

There's nothing indicating they were explicitly on the island and weren't on the ship that Sabo and the other citizens were on. While the wall behind them points to them being on the island, it's not concrete enough to definitively place them on there - hence why they're unknown.

Also, Kingu0fW1, please don't move forward with debated changes because there isn't an instant response to your argument. "No moderators really engaging in the talk page" is a massive exaggeration; it hadn't even been a day since I last responded, and hadn't even been 7 hours since your last message. Walrsu (talk) 05:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I admit i did come off as rash in that moment, from my perspective the status was being reverted for arbitrary and speculatory reasons and the talk pages were not Given objective responses, the reasonings given for Seki and Komane being alive are overly speculative and unsupported with the chapters we have namely 1060 and 1082, like you've said yourself "the wall behind them points to Seki and Komane being on the island" the only possible way they couldve been taken off Lulusia was via the escape boat and that doesnt explain the concrete wall behind them or the Lulusian guards that spoke to them, and if this was truly the case then Sabo or the revolutionaries would have mentioned they detained Seki and Komane on Momoiro island as that was where the other surviving Lulusia residents were taken after the aftermath of the mother flame blast. Kingu0fW1 (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

My full statement about the wall included "it's not concrete enough to definitively place them [on the island]" - it could just as well be a stylized drawing, or some sort of cage brought on the ship. And of course they were talking to Lulusian guards; everybody on the boat and on the island were Lulusian citizens except Sabo, so they would have been under the guard of Lulusian citizens no matter where they were being kept. The Revolutionaries also don't really have a reason to focus on Seki and Komane's arrest; they had to deal with the Mother Flame and the existence of Imu, both much more pressing matters. Lulusia is gone, so Seki and Komane being arrested is not as important as it would have been.

Anyways, the point is that we don't know where they were, and there's a non-zero chance they were on the Revolutionary ship. Every argument so far could have applied to Moda and Sabo before 1082 as well, but it would have been incorrect to mark them as Deceased; hence why we use Unknown in the first place. It's likely they're deceased, yes, but not guaranteed. That's the point of the Unknown status. Walrsu (talk) 18:49, 10 October 2023 (UTC)