Talk:Devil Fruit

Known Fruit
Why is there not a list of known fruit here and yet a list of unkown? seems a little backwardsNick D Wolfwood 12:11, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia's table
I'll get the information, pictures and tables here... Not next weekend, but the weekend after. One-Winged Hawk 10:58, 17 October 2006 (PDT)

More than a list
I don't have the time right now, or I'd do it, but someone needs to make this more than a list. We should have a description of what each type of fruit is, then a list of Devil Fruits known to be in that category, and their users. Currently we just have a basic list with links to a page for info about the specific fruit. Perhaps these should lead to their users, since there isn't more specific information about a fruit other than what it does. Cody2526 01:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We're gonna use the table that One-Winged Hawk made for Wikipedia, she said right above you that she's gonna do that. ^^;; That has descriptions of each type of fruit, pics of each power being used, description of the powers themselves, what the names mean, all that stuff. --Murasaki 01:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I was going to do that, but right now I'm lost... Whats going on with this page. :o One-Winged Hawk 08:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

From Mi to Fruit
Having to read that every fruit's name has Mi in the end and I find it morbid. Should I move all the names from Mi to Fruit? Having "Gomu Gomu Fruit" is better then "Gomu Gomu no Mi" in my opinion. Any objection?

Joekido


 * If you change it from no Mi to Fruit, you might as well call the Gomu Gomu no Mi the 'Rubber Rubber' Fruit... Or 'Gum Gum Fruit'. The reason being is it doesn't look right translating just half the name. I think the Japanese name should remain, besides it gets complicated if translate them. One-Winged Hawk 08:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The half translations maybe a bit confusing but at least they kinda sound right in an English environment. It's just one Japanese word repeated twice that needs to be explained, besides some of them are somewhat legit. Kilo Kilo Fruit and this Mini Mini Fruit(?) I read in the Arlong Park Encyclopedia and they're actually more of full translations than a half ones. Also the Hana Hana Fruit is actually used in English *cough*4kids*cough*.


 * They may not be politically correct and such but at least the reader could tell what is being talked about. I mean would a general reader who doesn't know Japanese or isn't a One Piece fan know what is being talked about. Can they easily tell if the Hito Hito no Mi is a fruit or something completely farfetched like a magic potion just by looking at the name? This is a thing we have to take into consideration.Mugiwara Franky 13:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In the case of DFs, they just sound so much better in Japanese. Even half translated, a lot of them sound damn awful. My view is, if you explain it well enough on the page what it is they should know its the Gum gum fruit or Hana Hana Fruit. Equally, though it should be easy to to likewise tell Gum Gum Fruit means Gomu Gomu no Mi. We're aiming to provide information right? If we only do half the job (my view on most half translated stuff) we don't fully achieve that. Besides... Thats why we have the search thingy and redirects. So yeah... Not translated or full translated, in between just doesn't sound right. One-Winged Hawk 14:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But wouldn't it be better to quickly learn that there is a thing called the Hana Hana Fruit which is a fruit whose name is Hana Hana in one go than to read a lot of text explaining what Hana Hana no Mi. Some of the half translations maybe awful but they kinda get the point right away. Plus when you look at it flows really well with the rest of a sentence. However if this really can't be, would it be alright to make all the links to these pages except those in the Devil Fruit page be like this:


 * Half Japanese Mugiwara Franky 14:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If there is just one word being translated - you get no confusions. If there is not just one word - you get confusions. I'm talking about experience here as a anime fan, not a One Piece fan. I'm not saying there is confusion all the time, its just its harder to explain half translations to some. Its not just Japanese to English, but languages overall.


 * Plus saying "fruit" implies it comes from the dub or the Viz translation... Half of the names (Like Bara Bara no Mi) have different names. Which is where the confusion will most likely come from I think. Anyway that my opinions spent... We need the voice of others on this matter. If I say anymore until then I'll end up in an argument with you MF, that I don't want. One-Winged Hawk 15:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Example
I read some Devil fruit profile and I must say it does not look good so I again went to Arlongpark.net to show an example how each Devil Fruit profile should be:

Arlongpark.net Sube Sube devil fruit profile

Sube Sube no Mi (スベスベの実)

The Smooth Fruit's Eater

Being the first villain introduced to not die in the first chapter, Alvida holds a place in our hearts eternal as a fat, ugly old crone. She's ruthless, brutal, and cold. It's just that after she eats the Sube Sube Fruit, she seems to have found herself a little off her rocker for whatever reason. In battle Alvida wields her Iron Club to this very day.

The Smooth Fruit's Characteristics

Class: Paramecia (Superhuman) Eater: Alvida the Club (Former Captain, Alvida Pirates)

Powers Introduced: Chapter 98 General Descriptor: Makes the body smooth and untouchable Viz Name: Slip Slip

The Sube Sube Fruit is an interesting one. While it doesn't offer any advantages offensively, defensively its powers have yet to be classified entirely. Does the slipping effect make battering attacks useless? What about slicing and piercing weapons, like swords and lances -- do they just slide off, too? That would make Alvida almost as overpowered as a Logia, so I doubt that's entirely true. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Interesting to say, Alvida slimmed up after eating this fruit, and her freckles disappeared (among other cosmetic improvements). Whether that's a trait of the fruit we don't really know. Okay, back to basics: The Sube Sube effect deflects any attempt to mark the skin of the user. Logia abilities like smoke are still effective, and Seastone is also a weakness.

Also of note is that this was the third Devil's Fruit introduced to us in the series.

Attack Notes:

Sube Sube Spur

Alvida, using the Zero Friction trait of the Sube Sube Fruit, slips from her shoes and slides down a ramp to quickly escape from an area. Useful for quick movement.

Now it don't have to follow the same so that profile may set an good example on how to work on each Devil Fruit profile.

My idea is:

Devil Fruit Name: Japanese Text: Romanized Viz translation: Fruit's Class: Eater: Powers: Chapter Introduced: Description: Attacks:

What do you think?

Joekido

Two Bites From One Fruit?
What if two or more people took a bite each from one fruit, would they all get the power? I know that there can only be one devil fruit at a time but has Oda actually said that there can only be one person with the power? what are your thoughts - Nabeel Shaath


 * I believe Oda said in the SBS at some point that the fruit loses its power after just one bite. Eating the whole fruit probably just makes the ability appear faster.Emil12345558 16:38, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Consistency
I've noticed that there's tons of switching with the grammar. One sentence it's "Zoan" the next it's "Zoans". Same for Logia/Logias and Paramecia/Paramecias. We need to keep it consistent. Both are referring to the same thing. I'm pretty sure it's more grammatically correct to not has the s at the end. Cody2526 05:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well heres a start... The plurals are in English "Zoan Types", "Logia Types" and "Paramecia Types". So it would be "Zoan types of Devil Fruit..." One-Winged Hawk 08:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Grammatically speaking, we don't need the S at the end and can simply put Zoan to describe "Zoan types of Devil Fruits" simply because...our language works like that. On top of probably being grammatically correct to not have the S, the Japanese do not use plurals. Sound it out, compare my last change of the page to the version before it. Without the S, it sounds better. It's not really a good argument, something sounding better, and it doesn't prove how grammatically correct it is, but it certainly rolls off the tongue better. Cody2526 11:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, Japanese vs English. The same problem can be said with the word Katana... Which I've tried to avoid calling "Katanas". But its so tempting to write that in plural. XD


 * I do say one thing, Zoan sounds generally better then Zoans. I guess you are correct. You could considering it on similar note to Sheep, which the plural is not Sheeps, its Sheep. Which is regarding my last post, you say "a flock of Sheep" just as "Zoan Types" etc... Yeah excuse my waffling... I just did a bunch of mass merging on wikipedia. And now my brain is tired. And all because of pressure to get off my lazy butt and do stuff. XD One-Winged Hawk 19:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Perona's Paramecia
It's revealed in the latest chapter of One Piece (number 261) that Perona's ability to create and control her ghosts comes from eating the Ghost Ghost Fruit. Unfortunately, since I don't know the Japanese word for "ghost" I can't name it to put up information about it. Could somebody help me out here?
 * I don't know the language, but I've heard enough to pick it out from a English/Japanese dictionary. In Romanji the Japanese word for ghost should be yūrei. And using Wikipedia's interlanguage links, 亡霊 should be it in Kanji. ~Dantman -local (talk) Jul 1, 2007 @ 23:47 (UTC)
 * I see "horo horo" everywhere I look. Isn't that her laugh as well? :/ One-Winged Hawk 07:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Attacks
On almost every Devil Fruit page, there is a list of attacks. I propose we organize the attacks like this (used Ace's Mera Mera no Mi attack list as an example):

This format will not only give the reader an image of the attack, but it will also better organize the articles (especially the ones with many attacks).

What do you think? Any comments or suggestions?


 * Sounds good to me... If anyone is willing to take time to put it in. One-Winged Hawk 21:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I can do it. Are there are any information fields I should add or remove for the attacks?


 * Edit: Oops, forgot to sign my comment. Sorry. --Superneoking 20:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah! You'll have to bring this to MF's attention on that detail. Its not my area. Leave a note on MF's asking for some aid pointing to this talk page. MF's pretty much got thing ticking on the attacks page. ^-^' One-Winged Hawk 22:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The idea sounds great however I'm not sure if it would work on some pages. Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Mi page for instance would have an image overload and may not work for some servers. It's a good idea, I just don't know how it'll look or work on some pages.Mugiwara Franky 02:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll agree with that much... The same would be for Usopp's page. Looking at this table we have here though MF, for the Logia's at least, whose power is either in the form of an attack list or powers description, I see it working. One-Winged Hawk 10:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I made an example for the Gomu Gomu no Mi fruit attacks here. It is incredibly long. I separated the tables so that the Gear 2 attacks, for example, wouldn't be separated from the its entry. --Superneoking 19:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The example looks good but it is indeed incredibly long and it seems that it might take too much space if combined with the rest of the other info. It's good I can say but something still seems a bit ifty if used for an article. Some tablization is good but I don't know...


 * By the way, can some tablization be done here on this page. It seems very ignored in a way what with unconfirmed and wrong English Dub names.Mugiwara Franky 03:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Shifting through SBSs
Where I'm up to. Still got a long way to go. But on this page is a table of confirmed DFs. I'd like to get those mentioned on there referenced. If anyone wants to help, thats where I'm up to. If not, I'm out for the day (or maybe not depending) and will do it when I get home. One-Winged Hawk 10:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Origin
I heard that Oda got the idea of Devil Fruit(people with superpowers who are unable to swim) from historical records - during the Age of Sail many sailors considered knowing how to swim to be cowardice, because if you did you were expecting to fall overboard. Kinda like how the Big Three refused to put seat belts in cars until the seventies because they thought it would make people believe cars were unsafe. Any way to work that into the article?Kalaong 06:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Unconfirmed. Unless you have that confirmed, its pretty just speculation. Never heard of the sea swimming thing, the car manufactorers, yeah that I vaguely remember. I think they onky became standard because of laws on health and safety nd what not, because cars got faster and faster. One-Winged Hawk 11:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Found it. "What the sea wants, the sea will have." Until recently, most sailors refused to learn to swim.Kalaong 03:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I think I read that the whole devil fruit idea came to Oda from coconuts: sailors found them floating on the sea before the islands where they grew were discovered, so nobody understood where they came from... and so, the legend that there was a giant upside down tree under the sea that generated them was born. -Malthus-


 * I've thought this idea for a while. Its not just coconuts that do this trick but other plants as well (forget which ones, just woke so my minds not awake). Unfortuntely, we know not enough about the Devil Fruits in the first place to put this statement. Do they get found floating in the ocean? Who knows. It may be a while before we find out. :-( --One-Winged Hawk 06:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

That is no confirmation of anything. Drunk Samurai 04:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

No two Devil Fruits
So when they say there are no more than one type of Devil Fruit power exist at the same time, does that mean when the owner of a certain power dies, that power would be reborn? For example, if (and only if) Ace is executed, does that mean there will be a new Mera Mera no Mi growing out there somewhere? Yatanogarasu 3:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes - exactly it seems. We're due a DF explaination according to Oda when Vegabunk appears so until then we're sitting in the dark. One-Winged Hawk 12:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think Oda-san should say that, i mean, it's fruit. Fruit grows on trees, usually in large amounts, but in this case only one at a time. Even so, it'd be kinda dumb for an awesome power like the gum-gum or flare-flare (mera mera for the japanese minded) to just get to be used once and then it's gone forever. I think devil fruits have been causing crazy stories and adventures in the one piece universe for a long time. and that's backed up by a lot characters knowing what certain fruits look like and do before anybody else( shanks and crew flipping out when luffy ate the gum gum fruit for instance). So, I'm fairly certain Oda-san will say that. The real questions should be, where do these fruits grow? is it all in one place or all over the place? And, if it is in one place, then what's that place like? cause it's the home of all the devil fruits. 205.188.116.138 07:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)CashSeville
 * Well, according to Oda, Vegapunk will eventually make an official appearance and explain what Devil Fruits are. Until then, it's all a mystery and up for speculation.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 08:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Many Devil fruits look somewhat like normal fruits (bananas, pineapples etc), only with different colours and typical pattern on its surface, so perhaps they grow on normal trees? When a devil fruit user dies, the fruit probably regrows at a random tree (Ushi ushi no mi regrows at a random bananatree). This would explain their design. 80.226.224.113 16:51, January 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * In an early version of the Romance Dawn (not sure which of the two versions) it is said that the Gomu Gomu no Mi grows on a special tree once every hundred years or so. For the present storyline, where Devil Fruits come from is currently a real mystery. They could come from random trees like your theory or they could come from special trees like Oda's early version. They could also probably come from a completely different source. There's just too much unknown about them at the moment.Mugiwara Franky 17:00, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

numbers
Hey!!! Oda said that there are 100 devil fruits right. As for the official number right now there is 50 canon devil fruits shown 11 are filler and 15 are unnamed and a total of 76/100 are shown, should we consider this as a trivia.

Rainelz 9:56 pm july 23,2009


 * No, he said "more than 100", not 100 exactly. Yatanogarasu 22:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

But how about the numbers is this not qualified


 * What numbers are you talking about? Do you mean there are 76 Devil Fruits so far? Yatanogarasu 01:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually it would be 77 this week adding the gura gura no mi of whitebeard(eartquake man). But we should add this as a trivia that there is 77 devil fruits introduced so far 62 named (with 51 cannon and 11 filler)and 15 unnamed devil fruits.

just a quick recap of numbers as of august 4 2009 there are 79 fruits.62 were named(with 51 cannon and 11 filler) and 17 unnamed with jozu's diamond power and marco's blue flame power!!!


 * Please sign with ~ and no talk from any spoiler thread until proper chapter is out. There's actually more than just Jozu and Marco.Mugiwara Franky 06:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Filler devil fruits do not count. Drunk Samurai 11:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * They do, please don't ignore the anime . --New Babylon 17:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Aye, one or two Oda approved/created himself anyway. One-Winged Hawk 18:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Not really. They are not canon. Only the manga devil fruits count if you're going by numbers. Drunk Samurai 18:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oda said that filler counts as he approved it so we could count it with 81 fruits.62 were named(with 51 cannon and 11 filler) and 19 unnamed.

Oda has never said that. That is a flat out lie. Drunk Samurai 05:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oda said it in the SBS okay find it there.Rainelz 05:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure he did. Besides canon only counts. Canon only comes from an original source. Drunk Samurai 05:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * In Vol. 4 Chapter 150 SBS, Oda states that there are more than a 100 Devil Fruits. This doesn't necessarily mean that the maximum number is 100 but it means that the maximum number is somewhere near 100. However considering how old this response was when Oda answered this question, he probably thought of more Devil Fruits.


 * In Vol. 37 Chapter 348, Oda states that when the anime writers make their own Devil Fruit powers, they always come to him in order to ask if they can use the power or not. If he says yes, they can use it in the anime. If he says no, its because he has plans to use it for a character that will create later.


 * While most of the Devil Fruits in the anime are non canon and not of Oda's design, there have been some that definitely come from Oda. One example is Don Achino who Oda designed. The way the Don creatively used his powers show signs that Oda definitely designed the fruit, what with all the techniques that say he was designed by a Dragonball fanboy.


 * If going by manga only standards, only the ones shown in the manga and created in the SBS count. As a whole set however, the non-canon Devil Fruits also count.Mugiwara Franky 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

That's exactly it then. Just because he approved their use does not make them canon. Also are you sure about the SBS ones? I know there were at least 2 but they were jokes. Like the makes you stink so bad everybody avoids you one. Or something like that. Also ones that Oda said he created himself count since he IS the original source. Drunk Samurai 08:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

super strength and speed
I've got a quetion. Now, lots of characters have super human powers. (usually strength and speed) and lots of fruits seems to make you crazy strong, but, what would a person who's eaten a devil fruit that bestows one of those powers be capable of? Now, I know some fruits give super speed, but really, it's only a side effect. those fruits are devoted to something else and then super speed is gravy. what i'm talking about is a fruit devoted to just pure speed( or strength). Devoted to making a person the fastest thing alive or the strongest. What crazy lengths could those powers be taken to? 205.188.116.138 08:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)CashSeville
 * This isn't a forum. The talk pages aren't for discussing about the subject, but to discuss how the article should be handled(such as confirming the facts on it).
 * Kaizoku-Hime 08:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction?
Didn't Oda say that there is only one type of devil fruit in the world? If so then shouldn't we add a fact that Marco's devil fruit contradicts this since Ace's devil fruit was already fire? Drunk Samurai 02:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oda probably meant 1 type of Devil Fruit with an exact, specific ability. Marco's may be fire-based, but not fire itself like Ace's. If you look closely at Marco's silhouette, you'll notice he has wing-like structures on his back (his arms are shielding his face), which appear in front of him in the next image. So it could be a phoenix/fire-bird Zoan type. We've only seen a glimpse of his power, so let's not say anything until we see more of it and he or someone else who knows about his ability clarifies what it is.
 * Kaizoku-Hime
 * yeah, I kinda see it. also remember they said something about blue flames--Kingluffy1 03:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * hey, hold up. i distinctly remember ace pointing out that his power wasn't 'fire' but in fact it was 'heat', so marco's power could still be fire. Geomexis 07:01, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's been revealed that Marco ate the Phoenix Devil Fruit.Mugiwara Franky 11:11, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Ace pointing out that his power wasn't fire" is from the 4Kids dub. If it really was just heat, it would be more like the non-canonical Atsu Atsu no Mi.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 21:30, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Moved Unknowns
I've moved all the Devil Fruits without a name off the type pages. This was getting confusing so they've all been grouped together here whether they be zoan, Parmecia or Logia until we get more info. The Para/Log types in particular require certain information for some we simply don't have. One-Winged Hawk 17:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Good move especially considering guys like Marco.Mugiwara Franky 18:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

pictures
could anyone geta picture of the hebi hebi fruits in the anime there actually out now.Rainelz 05:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Marco's Power
Marco's powers got to do with the Phoenix. So I reckon hes probably one of the 5 Flying Zoans.

is this a devil fruit?
is this a devil fruits


 * Looks like a candidate for the Poke Poke no Mi, however it's unclear without a few more scenes.Mugiwara Franky 08:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, this dude is called Blamenco.

Question for Drunk Samurai
Hey, why did you remove the info on Donquixote Doflamingo? Rainbowman 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It isn't confirmed to be a devil fruit so it is speculation to put it as one. Drunk Samurai 08:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The section lists unnamed Devil Fruits and powers that people may think originate from a Devil Fruit power. Its not a conclusive list that lists Devil Fruits.Mugiwara Franky 08:55, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually I can see a lot of entries in the section about unnamed fruits witch are probabably not even connected with a real ability, while Doflamingo is most certainly an ability user. I plan to add an entry about his powers soon, if any moderator gives any props it would be appreciated, thanks :). Romanov D 00:53, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE
What are the origins of the names paramecia, zoan and logia? --Kaze Kaze No Mi 20:16, September 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Though not stated, there is a bit of speculation of varying degrees and observation as to where the names originate from. Paramecia appears to be based on Paramecia, single celled creatures. It's a bit iffy why they're called that. Zoan appears to be based on Zoanthropy, a state of becoming an animal. This is rather clear due to the powers. Logia appears to be based on godly scriptures. Slightly less iffy than Paramecia since Logia powers are almost god-like.Mugiwara Franky 00:57, September 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * The name paramecia comes from paramecium, a unicellular being(like you said)and my guess about the origins of paramecia is beacause I think that the paramecias can "manipulate" their own body like a paramecia devil fruit user.For example, Buggy with his devil fruit ability, he can seperate himself like a paramecia, the same goes for luffy, like his devil fruit ability, he can stretch himself. So I think that isnt so much iffy, but that doesnt mean it isnt iffy.--Kaze Kaze No Mi 18:27, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Unknown/Unnamed Devil Fruits
We really should put all of these unnamed Devil Fruits into their own pages, even if they don't have a name yet. Such as "Marco's Devil Fruit" or "Eustass Kid's Devil Fruit". That way, we can expand their explanation in detail, rather than taking up space in other pages. And if the names do come up, we can simply move the pages. Yatanogarasu 12:35, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

No objections
Since no one is answering this question for over a month, I am going to take your silence as an "okay" and just going to go ahead and make all these pages. Here is a list:
 * Eustass Kid's Devil Fruit
 * Trafalgar Law's Devil Fruit
 * Jewelry Bonney's Devil Fruit
 * Capone Bege's Devil Fruit
 * Basil Hawkins' Devil Fruit
 * Scratchmen Apoo's Devil Fruit
 * X. Drake's Devil Fruit
 * Minotaurus' Devil Fruit
 * Minokoala's Devil Fruit
 * Minozebra's Devil Fruit
 * Minorhinoceros' Devil Fruit
 * Lafitte's Devil Fruit
 * Onigumo's Devil Fruit
 * Jozu's Devil Fruit
 * Marco's Devil Fruit
 * Akainu's Devil Fruit
 * Tsuru's Devil Fruit

Please do not delete them, as I did spent much time making them. If you must, please at least state the reason and report it to my page. Also, if possible, please just keep these pages up until the official name comes out, then simply use the Move function to redirect the page to its proper name. Yatanogarasu 17:35, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Drunk Samurai can't just delete all of my hard work. After all, there are other unnamed pages such as Whitebeard's Bisento and Shanks' old ship. They all are significant pages that we need. Yatanogarasu 20:12, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

They shouldn't exist in the first place. They pages should only exist when the Devil Fruits are named. Drunk Samurai 04:18, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * This discussion apparently went off everyone's radar for more important things. For pages for the unnamed Devil Fruits, Blackbeard's Fruit actually started like this. The difference however is that we kinda sort of knew that its name would be revealed in the next chapter. For these guys, it may take awhile for their names' to be revealed.Mugiwara Franky 04:36, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

None of the pages are needed. They should only be created when their names are revealed. Drunk Samurai 04:50, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * True to a point, but instant aggressive blanking is not the way.Mugiwara Franky 04:53, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

They shouldn't have been created in the first place so the blanking was needed. Drunk Samurai 05:00, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yatanogarasu was trying to properly talk with you but you just left one message that could easily be missed and continued blanking, completely ignoring the problem being created.Mugiwara Franky 05:06, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Yet you have no problem with "Since no one is answering this question for over a month, I am going to take your silence as an "okay". That was a completely idiotic thing to do. Just because people didn't reply doesn't mean they actually agreed. Not to mention most probably missed it like I did. Drunk Samurai 05:19, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I do have a problem but you didn't as so much as say you missed it as well in a civil manner. You just left a single message that's basically an insult, and aggressively blanked stuff.Mugiwara Franky 05:22, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I also missed this discussion. Had I known about it; no would have been my answer. We've got enough pages like this as it is. Unamed Marines.... "Shanks' sword". All these reserved pages are starting to get out of hand. What happens when it gets named? Editing, lots of editing; templates... Pages... Etc, etc. Also we don't know for sure 100% if its a DF ior not for instance shall we say? Then creating a page for it is saying we think it has a DF page. I don't really like Bilkan, but theres no other name supplied and you even pulled the page up as speculative as it is, we know anyone with that style of wing comes from Bilka though. I'm going to side with DS on his view at least. One-Winged Hawk 09:39, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

How the hell is my message an insult? Drunk Samurai 05:24, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * It can easily be mistaken for an insult when everything else that came out before is an insult. Say enough insults and all that people will hear from you is nothing but insults.Mugiwara Franky 05:41, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

What is this "everything else" you speak of? Drunk Samurai 06:03, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think MF is remembering your recent "idiot" name calling on Users to be Banned page. ^_^' One-Winged Hawk 20:28, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm kinda thinking of all the uncalled for insults DS made in the past. The picture that was painted by him kinda makes it hard to tell if he's being civil or being uncivil. In other words, I have a very hard time differentiating whether what he writes to other editors is an insult or not.


 * For the Unnamed Devil Fruits, there indeed isn't really exactly a need for now them to have pages. While some unnamed articles maybe acceptable since they're significant enough to warrant a page, some however don't really provide anything else than what can be easily be found in another page. The unnamed Devil Fruits kinda fall under the later. Without a name or even some proper explanation, they're kinda no different than the descriptions in the character pages under abilities.


 * If some of them get at least named in the upcoming SBS, they could have pages. Other than that none of them really need pages.Mugiwara Franky 12:04, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Then can you just redirect them all instead of deleting them? Like "Akainu's Devil Fruit to " REDIRECT Akainu "? That way, when the names do come out, we have a template to start the pages. We can also use the " " to block out what I wrote, rather than deleting them. That way, when the names come out, it saves a lot of writing. Yatanogarasu 16:30, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

More advanced Devil Fruit List
Given a fact in mind, this is the way how I view a Technique list.

Unknown/Unnamed
People keep putting Urouge's muscle-expansion as a potential Devil Fruit, but also a possibility as a form of Life Return, yet they absolutely refused to put Doflamingo's puppet and cutting invisible strings as a possibility. From the way I see it, these two "users" seem to be in a similar situation, as their powers are possible to be Devil Fruit or not, unlike some easily confirm-able ones, such as Akainu or Kid. So either put both of them on the possible list or neither of them. Yatanogarasu 23:05, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Here are some other possibilities:


 * The unnamed vice admiral with the dalmatian, what if it's just an animal with enough human intelligence to become a marine? Like Pappug, the Manticores, and the Sphinx, all of whom can speak despite being animals.

Yatanogarasu 23:17, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I was actually thinking about Vice Admiral "Dalmation". Looking at him I doubt he is a Zoan. Look at any other Zoan that we've seen the hybrid form of. They look like an anthropomorphic version of the animal they become (or in Chopper's case, his original species). The Vice Admiral looks has a mostly human body with only parts being the dalmation. If the dalmation part of him comes from a Zoan fruit, his is different than all other Zoan fruits we have seen. Silicontree 05:28, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't believe you guys are actually having a conversation about that guy. Pretty sure that's a mask, dudes. --YazzyDream 05:33, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * For Doflamingo, I believe DS is the one that's been taking Doflamingo out constantly. For Urouge, the reason people put him there is because even though it maybe a technique like Life Return, his technique somewhat looks different from Kamadori's. For the dalmatian, he looks like a typical Zoan user due to the human mouth and beard.Mugiwara Franky 06:32, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * So all in all, should Doflamingo and Urouge be on the list? Yatanogarasu 10:29, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

2 Devil Fruits?
No, Drake says "Replicate" Light admirals DF in other words its not like they own the DF, so therefore Kuma doesn't have two DFs, he has one and a power simulair to it. One-Winged Hawk 08:38, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Flying fruits
Pell introduces his DF, but never expands on it. Again, we can't say anything more then to repeat what he said. Expanding on it without that will be just speculation. If its souly referring to Zoans; birds, bat, insect, myth, ancient could be what his referring to for ll we know. See? We don't know enough to guess what he is on about at this stage. One-Winged Hawk 12:47, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * A Baroque Agent actually said it and he said that Pell possessed one of the five Devil Fruits that allows one to fly. The problem however indeed is whether it meant one of five Zoan Devil Fruits or one of five Devil Fruits in all categories. As for certain revealed Devil Fruits that aren't Zoans, its kinda a bit clear that they're not flying. Buggy's floating pieces is not true flight as he requires a foothold. The Logia users, while they can float in the air while in their elemental forms, its not exactly true flight as its more like jumping really high.Mugiwara Franky 14:21, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly my point, we're missing so much information here! I'd rather wait for further information from the series and Oda then to start speculating. One-Winged Hawk 10:43, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't make sense if what that agent sayd actualy refer to Types of fruits (Like Mystical Zoan, Awaken Zoan, etc...). Oda himself sayd in an interview that one of the limitations of most of his characters is flying, it's something like Haoshoku Haki (or however you spell that), I supose there are just 5 Devil Fruits that allow the user to COMPLETELY fly, so I supose one is Pell's, the other is Marcos', Shiki's, and maybe Lafitte's, if that's some kind of Devil Fruit. As for Logia users, it's more like floating, not flying, like Crocodile does with his Suna Suna powers. GMTails 02:38, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to what Pell said there are only five devil fruit abilities which allow the user actual flight. It's agreeable that Pell's, Marco's and Lafitte's abilites fall in that category because they all have wings. On the other hand im not so sure about Shiki because he uses levitation rather then flight. But what im really curious about is this: In the Thriller Bark arc Franky destroys a bridge and robin saves him from falling into the abyss by sprouting hands in the form of wings to fly for a few seconds. Does that qualify as flight? If it does then that means that all 5 flight allowing abilities have been revealed. Kenkaku 12:00, May 22, 2010


 * I don't think that Robin count, as you said it only last a few seconds. If flying consists in moving above the ground, then it does not necessaraly imply wings (like a balloon for example). In such a case levitation is definitly one of them. Kdom 10:20, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically Shiki can only "fly" because he has those sword in the place of his legs, as he is only able to levitate inanimate objects.
 * Technically Shiki can only "fly" because he has those sword in the place of his legs, as he is only able to levitate inanimate objects.

Mud Fruit?
Who put up the mud power on the unknown ability section? Saying that it was eaten by a whitebeard captain is total speculation. We don't know who that is. It is also unclear as to what type it is. We don't know if it's a controlled doll or someone who transformed into some type of golem. I'm not going to take it down, I'm just making it more neutral until more is revealed.--DancePowderer 00:26, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Linkie please as this one has totally slipped by me. One-Winged Hawk 08:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Large Mountain-like guy fighting alongside a female pirate. Apart from looking like Monster Chopper in shape, its abit unclear if its a Devil Fruit user or a weird looking giant.Mugiwara Franky 10:45, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you MF, things like that are easily missed. One-Winged Hawk 12:03, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

How do we know that it allows the user to manipulate mud? What if it is a power that allows the user to transform into a monster like creature (similar to Basil Hawkins straw powers) or create servants or soldiers or something? Yatanogarasu 19:50, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, how could you tell it's mud? It could be slime, or clay, or something. Yatanogarasu 20:44, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * It is indeed a big question mark. Apart from making people go "WTF is that", it's kinda more of an anomaly than the commander that can pull out a huge hammer from his throat.Mugiwara Franky 06:33, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

New theory, should we just remove this speculated power away, similar to Doflamingo and Urouge, until we have prove? I mean, for all we know, it could be a guy with some horribly mismatched body, or some kind of animal. Anything is possible. Yatanogarasu 21:48, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

5 Flying Types
Is it specifically five flying types, as in model or fruit themselves. The manga as far as I can tell says only "types". Well.. Thats a bit open ended since there are possibly 5 flying groups here; Bird, Bat, Bug, Mythical, Prehistoric. If its five DFs, then that means we've seen 2 or 3 (if Laffitte's is part of this too) already. That means Oda's cut down the array of animals he can have greatly in one full swoop... Not Oda-like to restrict himself THIS much. I guess we should start with Stephen's translation and work from there. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 19:22, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that what Pell said means that there are five DF's that grant their users the ability to fly. So far we know of four, eaten by Pell, Marco, Lafitte, and Shiki...so bird, bird, bird, and Shiki's isn't a Zoan at all. Who knows what the fifth one will turn out to be x_o As expected of Oda. Raikia 10:06, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Levitantion tradionatially isn't considered a form of flying, but floating at the most, its "spiritual/mental elevantion" (the latter word I've properly mispelt) so I discount it. One-Winged Hawk 11:45, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Gallery for Attacks
Here's a new way to list all the pictures for the attacks of a Devil Fruit. Here's an example for the Yami Yami no Mi:

We could put this gallery under the "Usage" section. We could also do this for other things such as the Santōryū. Yatanogarasu 20:57, December 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Having a gallery of attacks would be tolerable for some pages but others would be a problem. The ones that kinda would suffer would be the pages with hundreds of attacks.Mugiwara Franky 07:34, December 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * May I point out the MAJOR problem with attacks; how to sum it up in one frame. You've got animations in your gallery there Yatan and I'd not want to see a page of moving images with attacks on them. Because some moves can't be summed up in one go, their complex and thats the major reason we've avoided a wall of pictures in the pages. Someone HAS made a table of moves for Ace if you read around, it was rejected for that reason. Its the same with bounties, I don't want to see a page of images of bounties. Also, animations as pretty as there are slow up loading times and loading a page with a dozen on can often look far too busy to be practical.


 * I'm annoyed recently as I did put a gallery on the Jolly Roger's page but I noticed my examples have been added to since. The few were there as demos. The same was meant to be applied to that page. Difference is though, yeah, there are new styles coming on right now so I'm letting the flags slip in. One-Winged Hawk 09:30, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

No Mi or Fruit - not both
Please can we not do things like "Gomu Gomu fruit" its either the "Gum Gum Fruit" or "Gomu Gomu no Mi" not a mix of both. Its been a while since I stressed that half translations are not acceptable and its only caught my attention. So now I've got to go round every page and remove "XXXX XXXX fruit". Please can we not do this again, there is simply no need for it. One-Winged Hawk 23:12, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Newest Zoan
I think it is pretty safe to say that this fruit is a Zoan. Unless anyone has any objections, I'm going to put it on the unnamed list. --DancePowderer 22:23, December 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * The Chain Chomp is a bit of a question mark. It's kinda unclear if it's a weapon that turns into an animal or a weapon designed to have a mouth. The animal it supposedly turns to even is a bit unclear.Mugiwara Franky 01:31, December 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * The other question mark would be how a pirate got hold of it. Mr.4 might only had lasso because Crocodile could get hold of the resources while Spandam was director of CP9, working for the WG. One-Winged Hawk 09:31, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

I'm positive it's supposed to be an animal of some kind. The two times it is shown it has a different face each time. And, as far as I can tell it only has spikes on top of its head. If it were modified from a normal flail it would have spikes all around it. Also, and this may or may not have anything to do with it, look at the coat of the Marine it bit, it has those odd ovular bite marks, which might be further indication of a devil fruit power. Also, it is still unknown how one obtains an object that "ate" a devil fruit. Crocodile didn't give Mr.4 his gun already enfused with the inu inu no mi, it was Mr.4's gun before that. So we still don't exactly know how devil fruit items are obtained.--DancePowderer 03:10, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * The only thing different seems to be that the mouth was opened in one scene and closed in another. The face hasn't exactly changed that drastically and it looks more like a mechanical feature than sentience like Arlong using his teeth in his hands. If the eyes had changed, it would be different matter.Mugiwara Franky 03:30, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * The ovular circles above and below the chain chomp appear to be Kizaru turning into light. The bite marks at the side are supposed to be visual aids that help show that it is clamping down like a bear trap.Mugiwara Franky 03:37, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure that it's Kizaru who's getting bitten there? It's hard to tell, but I don't think it is, and I don't remember those ovals appearing in other scenes where he turns into light. I could be wrong, though.--DancePowderer 04:23, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's Kizaru and if it isn't, the ovals appear to be coming from the Marine not from the Chain Chomp. The Marine looks like he's letting the Chain Chomp through like a Logia. A weapon like the Chain Chomp would cause most likely a wound that involves a huge chunk of flesh with blood everywhere.Mugiwara Franky 05:17, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * If it was a zoan, it should have more of a animalistic appearence, like real teeth or pupils, fur, ears, anything. No hybrid-form has ever been like this one, so I doubt it is a zoan. Also, about it having an open mouth in one scene, it could just be a weapon-thing. I mean, if they can make cyborgs with beams from their mouths, they should be able to make a flail with a mouth. Think of it like those fox-traps, they close when someone step one them, this one is like them, but it just does it without anything to do with it. And these 'it only has spikes on it's head', it's one piece, things are weird, it's fashion sense. Ruffy04
 * If it was a zoan, it should have more of a animalistic appearence, like real teeth or pupils, fur, ears, anything. No hybrid-form has ever been like this one, so I doubt it is a zoan. Also, about it having an open mouth in one scene, it could just be a weapon-thing. I mean, if they can make cyborgs with beams from their mouths, they should be able to make a flail with a mouth. Think of it like those fox-traps, they close when someone step one them, this one is like them, but it just does it without anything to do with it. And these 'it only has spikes on it's head', it's one piece, things are weird, it's fashion sense. Ruffy04

Octopus?
Could whoever added the octopus zoan fruit to the unknown fruit section please provide a link? I've been looking and I can't find anyone with that power.DancePowderer 01:10, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Might be confusing an octopus and spider. Since they have 8 arms. One-Winged Hawk 01:19, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Should I just get rid of it for now?DancePowderer 01:32, January 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Based on the text, it is referring to the pirate with six arms here. This is kinda of question though due to certain factors.


 * We don't know if there are any Zoan Devil Fruits that turn people into water dwelling animals.
 * The guy looks more like a Fishman rather than a Devil Fruit user.


 * On a related note, there's also a walrus pirate there. However it's also unclear if he's a Zoan Devil Fruit user or a Walrus Fishman. There's also the possibility that he's just one of those unique looking humans Oda makes.Mugiwara Franky 06:58, January 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd rather go with sitting this one out. The person who added it removed the spider zoan reference though for this possible one. Hence my previous comment. That shouldn't happen, if its still on the page, its needs to be put back on. One-Winged Hawk 09:22, January 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually the guy who added it apparently took out the possible mountain golem based on the history. For the Octopus guy, whatever he is, he appears to be more octopus-like especially considering in the previous page we see Onigumo with spider-like arms.Mugiwara Franky 13:04, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I just hope to god a data book comes out soon that clears up all the devil fruits used in Marineford (and everywhere else too while I'm at it). There are about eleven unnamed fruits in the Marineford arc alone, not to mention the ones used in Sabaody and Impel Down. I've definitely had the most trouble determining whether or not some power stems from a devil fruit in this arc compared to any other.DancePowderer 03:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

it is just an octupus fishman he couldn't be a devil fruit because it would be an octupus without water.Rainelz 07:10, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

My theory about Ace
Topic moved to forums: Here One-Winged Hawk 17:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Seriosly Walrus devil fruit
first if all walrus were marine animals and the devil fruit users cant swim this will only show the walrus fruit very weak... and also it could only be a fishman or something...121.54.92.35 05:14, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Talk:Devil Fruit/Merger

This deserves its own page, its making this page too laggy. One-Winged Hawk 19:04, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Jozu's Devil Fruit.
I'd say it's pretty clear that it's a Paramecia. There's nothing to remotely suggest that he's a Logia.71.97.59.52 15:13, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Seems so, otherwise when he was frozen by Aokiji, he would have been able to regenerate his fallen arm and get back up unharmed quickly. Yatanogarasu 19:46, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Domflamingo
Why are some people so dead set against Doflamingo on this list? Not only does common sense suggest that it's more likely than not that his abilities come from a devil fruit, listing him here is no more or less speculation than anyone else on the list.24.255.171.220 22:35, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the ventingtilionth time (a similar numeral realy exists), common sense does not equal confirmation . Common sense would have indicated that Ace and Luffy share at least one parent when they call each other brothers . But they don't (and it's the "adopted" part in the recent chapters that sort of saves it in my opinion but that's beside the point) . So until we have word from Oda on this , "common sense" is not an option . --New Babylon 15:36, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't address why other people are allowed on this list even if they're not confirmed. Either remove all of them, or let Doflamingo be listed. Stop being a hypocrite.24.255.171.220 10:15, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Shiki? Creator?
I believe that Shiki and Dr. Indigo are the creators of the Devil Fruit on that strange island and after 20 years of research, this is what he meant by hell on Earth. Main reasons are thye mention the rare plants of the island and in chapter 0, no one from that chapter shows the use of a Devil Fruit power even though many of the characters shown later on in the present use their powers frequently.

Attacks Separate Page?
How about this? Each attack/technique has its own page, such as "Gomu Gomu no Pistol" has its own page, "Mero Mero Merrow", and "Daienkai: Entei"? This ought to reduce the length of each page greatly: I mean, the Gomu Gomu no Mi page is too loaded and long with all those attacks in detail. If paged separately, it would save a lot of room. Also, the Devil Fruit page itself can just list the attacks, and have links leading to them. The separate pages of each attack would explain in detail of each attack, and can even have GIF pictures that show motions. The Deutsch version of One Piece Wikia has such things like this. Yatanogarasu 10:50, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: I created a blog identical to this section, just in case the discussion should be more private. Please choose here or there to discuss this suggestion. Yatanogarasu 11:01, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that is a very good idea, that would make a lot of pages with few content and we already have enough stub articles. To make the long pages look shorter, I think it would be better to use a toggle-like feature, if only it would works... Kdom 11:06, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but like I said, there are other wikias out there that have separate pages for techniques and attacks, which created many stub articles as a result. Should we follow suit and break the pages apart? Yatanogarasu 11:09, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * On a side note, it's called stub articles only because we put "Stub" there. If there is absolutely nothing else able to be added to the said pages, then we don't need "Stub" anymore, due to the definition of "Stub" being "too short and more can be added".


 * As great an idea as that maybe, it however presents some problems.


 * Some attacks and their descriptions are just too short to warrant a page even with gifs and other stuff.
 * Splitting the Devil Fruit attacks into several articles would mean creating several articles that may either get lost or hard to find.
 * If Devil Fruit attacks are to be made separate articles then other attacks would need to be made separate. It kinda follows suit in that way.
 * The Devil Fruit pages would be reduced a large bit but that wouldn't necessarily make the pages better. For some it may make the pages lacking in information.


 * As for the German One Piece wikia, I'm not sure which one you are referring to since there are kinda two. One that uses the wikimedia code and one that is fan made. In any case, just because they do things in that manner doesn't necessarily mean it could work in this wikia as well. They're at most a different site with different rules. The rules and organization of one wikia may inspire those of another but shouldn't necessarily be the standard in some cases.Mugiwara Franky 11:11, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but in the past, people complained about the pages lacking in pictures and whatnot. As seen in the sections above, and, they created a chart with GIF, it showed how much they wanted things like this. I thought that if we went with this idea, it would be a compromise of sort. Yatanogarasu 11:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not exactly a compromise of sorts as it kinda creates other problems. It solves the pic overload/want problem but the solution creates other problems such as multiple stubs and making it a bit harder to find the attacks. The pic problem is something unfortunate that we have to deal with but are capable of handling. The problems created by separating all the attacks on the other hand maybe something that we may not be able to deal with or handle. So if it's a single somewhat irritating to some problem versus several problems that are caused as a solution to the single problem, I think the single problem is probably the better choice.Mugiwara Franky 11:51, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think he is speaking of the wikimedia one (Cf Gum-Gum-Frucht).

If it is just to add image, we could use similar code as I did for the Color panel. I don't know what was the reason to not displayed the images since it was decided before I join the wiki.

Kdom 11:25, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * The fansite kinda uses it too it seems.


 * For the images, it was kinda generally decided to not give every attack a pic as it might cause a pic overload in some if not most cases. The problem was that if a page with lots of attacks was given a pic for every attack, it would cause loading problems, something that Luffy's page had before the tabs. That was a long time though. With current knowledge about stuff such as the hide features, it could solve the problem. The problem now however is for somebody to make a suitable template or something.Mugiwara Franky 11:51, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I really think the toggle feature would be the solution for such question. We really need to make it work. If you look at this page which uses it, everything is on a single page. I think that would suit Yatanogarasu needs without multiplying the pages. The image loading is very quick (well the page is not very long) whereas the NavFrame code is quite complicate and takes a lot of place. Kdom 13:08, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't exactly know how to apply it. In the meantime however, I'm trying something out that could solve the pic problem at my workshop.Mugiwara Franky 13:15, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Definitely made something at my workshop. However, it has its problems and may not be applicable to the arrangement of some attacks.Mugiwara Franky 13:44, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Now, by "Toggle", do you guys mean a tab at the top of the page, like the multiple pages for Luffy? Yatanogarasu 18:27, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

No it is a feature that allows to hide or display a part of the page (like the +/- in the navigation template). It also allows to display the page differently by clicking on weblink. Try the different links of Brooks Kleidung to see what I mean. Kdom 18:59, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, so the separate page theory isn't gonna work out, then? Too bad, but wikia like this one made it possible, and if they could do it (and make it neat and successful, might I add), I though it would serve us well, too. Yatanogarasu 19:07, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I disapprove on the account of if the scanrio crops up that two different attacks share the same name. And theres that faithful translation problem we faced with chapter names and after debating dropped. One-Winged Hawk 23:38, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * So far as I remember, no such thing happened. Even if it did, we can do something like this: "Gomu Gomu no Pistol (Monkey D. Luffy)" and "Gomu Gomu no Pistol (Whoever shares the same name attack)". Yatanogarasu 02:39, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * That may make things more complicated. Not only are there attacks done by more than one person like with Luffy and Oars, but there is also attacks done with more than one person. Doing multiple pages of attacks like the 600 Million Belli attack maybe too much if there is to be an attack page per attack per each character.Mugiwara Franky 03:32, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, combo attacks can be one page, with all the users included, rather than separate. Also, we could just put a "user" section, and say "Gomu Gomu no Gatling" users: Luffy, Oars, rather than "Gomu Gomu no Gatling (Monkey D. Luffy)" and "Gomu Gomu no Gatling (Oars)". Yatanogarasu 03:37, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * If that's the case, that could work however it kinda means separating attacks from other pages other than those found in the Devil Fruit pages. If you were to give pages to individual Devil Fruit attacks as well as make pages of combo attacks that involve both a Devil Fruit user and a non-Devil Fruit user, chances are people are gonna make attack pages for the non-Devil Fruit users as well just to follow suit. The logic would kinda go "if Luffy has pages for his attacks, why doesn't Nami have as well?". In the end, there would probably be too many small pages to handle and many of them may get lost.Mugiwara Franky 06:53, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * How about this: separate attack pages for attacks worthy of the honor. Such examples are "Gomu Gomu no Pistol" (Luffy's signature attack), "Mero Mero Merrow" (Hancock's signature attack) and "Hydra" (Magellan's signature attack). We ignore the lesser attacks, but create pages for more powerful and significant attacks. Yatanogarasu 22:57, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or, we could eliminate or redirect all the unnamed pages, such as Gecko Moria's Scissors, T-Bone's Sword, etc. That ought to reduce the amount of pages need to be kept track of. And how could we lose track of these pages? We categorize them such as "Devil Fruit attacks" (for example) and list them on the specific Devil Fruit pages. Yatanogarasu 02:27, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

In choosing which attack to make into a page, it varies greatly by opinion. One person can say that a certain attack is worthy of a page since they notice that it is commonly used. However, the attack may not necessarily powerful nor significant. Another person can say that a another certain attack is worthy of a page since they see it as extremely powerful. However, the attack maybe just a one shot attack and not very significant. Yet another person can say that yet another attack is worthy of a page because it served a very significant role in a certain part of the story. However, the attack maybe just a joke gag and not very powerful.

All in all, by choosing to give certain attacks their own pages, there is a chance that there will be an attack page or two created that won't meet to the expectations of another editor. Because this, there might be alot of discussions on whether certain attacks should stay or not. This choice also still brings the problem of other people might create other attack pages to follow these select pages. The logic goes, "If this attack has a page, why doesn't this other attack have it's own page." It's still the same problem to a certain extent.

For losing pages, a page can be easily lost or worse forgotten for a variety of reasons. One is that the page is too small and doesn't give enough information. Another is that the page is not of a subject that is being updated. Another is that subject of the page is not a thing of much interest or is completely unknown. Another yet still is that managing it along with a group of others instead of one single page proves to be too much for an editor. There all sorts of reasons for a page to be lost and there are indeed a couple of pages in the wikia that would be classified as such. Some have good reasons such as being a named character. However some don't exactly have such a good reason. The want to have attack pages for the sake of pictures is not necessarily a bad reason by my opinion, but it's not necessarily a good one either.

As for the unnamed pages, deleting or redirecting them may lower pages to keep track of but it's kinda a different problem unrelated to the creation of attack pages.Mugiwara Franky 04:14, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Vote
Separate attacks in different pages Yes No

Test of attacks images using toggling
Here is an example of what it would give to provide an images for attacks using toggling. A template could easily been done in order to facilitate the coding. I think it answers some of what Yatanagoru initially wanted. Of course one need to see if that does not charge the page to much. Since that was basically the argument to no display them in the beginning. Kdom 21:06, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Click on the blue link several times


 * Gomu Gomu no Pistol (ゴムゴムの銃 [ピストル], Rubber Rubber Pistol): Luffy's signature attack. A standard straight punch, augmented with stretching. This attack can be used from short to long range. This is called blablabla....

Donflamingo's Devil Fruit
Frankly, I find this going back and forth annoying. So I'm opening up a section just for you, SeaTerror. Why do you keep taking out Donflamingo's ability from this page? I'm curious. If there's anyone else who agrees or disagrees feel free to include your input. --YazzyDream 06:18, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe its because its not quite sure if its really a DF power. From what seems to be happening, Doflamingo seems to be using some sort of string. That begs the question whether he is controlling string like what Shura did with his cloud string, or Doflamingo is producing string from his body.Mugiwara Franky 09:48, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

The paragraph is about character which are suspect of having eaten a Devil Fruit and so far, Doflamingo is perfectly legit in that part. There is no other power beside this one (hypnotism, haki...) that correspond to his ability. Kdom 10:17, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

No he isn't. How do you know he doesn't have invisible strings of some kind? Putting Doflamingo in there is pure speculation and really doesn't belong. SeaTerror 01:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

This is the object of the paragraph. And since the Devil fruit is the most probable option he has is place here. If you want you can differenciate the unnamed from the suspected but not delete this one. Kdom 06:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

All this paragraph is speculation

Prove it's the most probable then. Until you can I will remove it. SeaTerror 06:43, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Then wouldn't others be removed too? Like: When those were introduced, they didn't exactly say, "Oh, this is a devil fruit by the way." I think it's just obvious and doesn't need to be explained. Same with Doflamingo. YazzyDream 07:00, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Scratchmen Apoo's unnamed Devil Fruit which allows him to morph limbs into instruments and use sound or music as weapons.
 * Onigumo's unnamed Devil Fruit, which allows him to sprout spider-like arms and a spider abdomen from his back.
 * Blamenco's unnamed Devil Fruit that allows him to keep things such as a giant hammer in a pocket that is in his body.

With those three, they are all rather obviously Devil Fruit abilities. You would have had a stronger argument using Urouge and Vice Admiral "Dalmation", but I have a possible solution. To try and quell the argument, I separated the most suspect from the list and made a second list for them, marked as possible Devil Fruit. On that list is Doflamingo, Urouge and Vice Admiral "Dalmation", as they are all approximately as doubtful as each other and none are as obvious as the rest of the list. I hope that will satisfy both sides. Silicontree 07:09, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Why not just keep all the unspecified powers on the same list and change it to "Possible Unknown/Unnamed Devil Fruit Powers." To me that seems like the best compromise. The list is kept in one place, and then the few questionable powers are still considered questionable. Or, we could just put a little note before the list saying that the following powers may or may not stem from a Devil Fruit.DancePowderer 18:46, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

While I would rather have them removed the compromise is good. SeaTerror 22:37, August 28, 2010 (UTC)