User blog comment:Roranoa zoro/Defeating Logia users without using Haki/@comment-8823907-20130706101429/@comment-8823907-20130706121921

Ok guys i think i am thinking of something else completely. Zoro cut monet two times. Once on her cheek with haki and the other when he cut her in 2 without using haki. She was so incredibly stunned that she could have died that she couldnt even refo herself. It had nothing to do with speed.

Once again i say that the only way a non logia could hurt the logia with speed attacks (without using any advantage like haki or something else) is if he would catch the logia user off guard. The logia user needs to make a conscious effort to actualy become the element. That is why they can be attacked when they are asleep. That is why luffy was actualy able to (by mistake) attack both ace and smoker in the dinner on alabasta. During a fight if the logia is actualy always active i dont think that the speed attacks would work. No matter the speed.