Talk:Wano Country Saga

New arc name
Alrighty then now with chapter 830 that came out, and apparently Oda didn't like the idea of having a long island to island hopping arc (aka Totland Arc), they arrived at Whole Cake Island so would this mean the end of the Totland arc and continue the story with the 'Whole Cake Island Arc' next chapter or leave it as be for another chapter or two?

PS, if it is true that would be another quick arc and the first in the new world and 4th (5th?) shortest arc in the series, so far. Dragonquiz (talk) 15:36, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Nah, it's the same arc. If they spend the remainder of their time on Whole Cake, it could logically go back to Whole Cake Island Arc. It's not like we had an Undersea Arc before the Straw Hats got to Fishman Island. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 15:55, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Exactly. Whole Cake Island is a part of Totland, and if we stay on Whole Cake for, oh, 30-40 chapters without changing, then I'd like to rename it to Whole Cake Island Arc. Of course, wiki isn't an exact science. 19:08, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

New Information
Considering the newly announced Marine Supernova Arc starting episode 780, shouldn't episodes 777-779 be included in the previous Zou Arc, including their corresponding chapters 823-824? Rhavkin (talk) 17:16, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why that's necessary - in terms of canon story, 823 and 824 fit better in the Totto Land arc because the focus is on the Sanji retrieval team on their way to Totto Land. Not to mention that Luffy's "Random Curry" appears in Episode 779, which directly leads into the crew meeting the Vinsmokes.

Fillers have interrupted arcs before, so it's not that big of a deal. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:38, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Actually the only interrupting arc is the Little East Blue Arc, and that was a movie set up arc. The other interruptions ware a episode or two.

It's not "a big deal", but those chapters ware already potentially part of the Zou Arc instead of the Totto Land Arc.

And just for the record (please don't let the discussion slip its focus) the random curry leads to the food supply emptying, which leads to fishing a poisonous fish that leads to the Vinsmokes encounter. Not to mention that Nami's bee sting in Little Garden leads to the Drum Island Arc so there is nothing wrong with molti-arcs leads. Rhavkin (talk) 17:51, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

OK, at this point I'm willing to agree to move everything up to the start of the filler arc to the Zou Arc (chaps. 823-824 manga, eps. 777-779 anime) because it's clear what Toei considers the arcs to be and it's a pain in the butt to work around that. As much as I still believe the content in question fits more with Totto Land than Zou, it's not too much of a stretch to consider it part of the Zou arc (namely the scenes with Bariete, Jack's survival, and Kaido's tantrums). Toei's products may not be considered canon most of the time but there wouldn't be any harm in going along with their idea of arc splits this time around. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 23:46, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

Done, except for the categories and template which I don't know how to fix. Rhavkin (talk) 09:03, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Split into two Sagas
While Oda has yet to give official names for the post-New World Sagas, it strikes me as strange that this single "saga" is comprised of two massive arcs in addition to smaller arcs, totaling currently 183 chapters and counting.

If you look at the other sagas, for the first half of the story they are split into 100, 117, 85, 139, 48 and 108 chapters, respectively. The unofficially-titled Fish-Man Island and Dressrosa Sagas meanwhile are 56 and 148 chapters apiece. Overall, ranging from 56 to 148 chapters, but averaging at around 100 or so.

Meanwhile, the current saga is 183 chapters, and the Wano Country Arc shows no hints of stopping anytime soon. Having this all be one thing made sense when it was thought that Whole Cake Island would be a quick pit stop before Wano, but it ended up being one of the longer arcs, meaning smooshing it in with Wano seems odd.

I would recommend splitting this current saga into two: the Whole Cake Island (or Big Mom) Saga and the Wano Country Saga. Obviously if Oda provides a more official categorization then we'll do it as such, but in the meantime, splitting this in two seems to be much more logical. The Pope 02:44, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

You're messing around with the terms "saga" and "arc", for those events there are is already the "Whole Cake Island Arc" and the "Wano Country Arc", which along the Levely Arc and the Zou Arc form the Yonko Saga. Cracker-Kun (talk) 02:47, July 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm aware of the distinction. The Thriller Bark Saga consists of the Thriller Bark Arc, and that's all. Oda is weird when it comes to this kind of thing.
 * So in this circumstance, the "Whole Cake Island Saga" would consist of Zou and Whole Cake Island, while the "Wano Country Saga" would consist of Levely and Wano. The Pope 02:52, July 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * Anyway, now I'm being told that the name is official because it showed up on a Shonen Jump cover? Did the editors write that, or did Oda himself do it? And in either case, yes, a reference is absolutely necessary, because without references, how is anybody supposed to actually catch that? The Pope 02:53, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

I'm thinking you're not really understanding what the purpose of sagas are. Each saga tells a cohesive overarching story where all of its arcs contribute to that story. For example, the arcs in the Alabasta Saga are all centered around the Straw Hats' time with Vivi and their mission to save Alabasta from Crocodile. Once that storyline concluded, the saga did as well. Same deal with this saga: Zou, Whole Cake, and Wano together make a cohesive story about a pirate alliance taking on two of the Yonko. Zou set up much of Wano's plot so it would make no sense to put them in separate sagas. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 03:49, July 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * I understand the purpose of sagas quite well and would appreciate not being patronized, thanks.


 * Zou does lead into Wano, but Zou and Whole Cake Island are more tied in together with Sanji's retrieval, which Wano doesn't really have anything to do with. Likewise, it could be argued that Thriller Bark should be in the Summit War Saga, or Dressrosa being part of the "Yonko Saga" because everything starting with Punk Hazard has been building up to Wano, but it's not because that gets far too cumbersome. So yes, it would make perfect sense to split them apart, at least as much sense as it does to split Punk Hazard and Dressrosa off. The Pope 07:43, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

The official saga's name is Yonko Saga, you can't split it. Cracker-Kun (talk) 11:10, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

First, the Thriller Bark Saga is its own thing because that's how it is described on the official Japanese site. It was previously considered a part of the Summit War Saga, but the story is so standalone that it works as its own thing.

Second, Zou is as much tied to Wano as it is to Whole Cake. In fact, aside from Pekoms and Bege's surprise appearance, everything about the arc is a direct consequence of what was happening on Wano Country. Jack, Raizo, the two rulers... they're the arc's key characters and literally have nothing to do with the Whole Cake Island Arc plot. In fact, the Sanji plot was something of an intermission since the arc starts and ends with the Jack threat. Even in-universe, Whole Cake is considered a detour since everybody was planning to head into Wano by then and retrieving Sanji was considered important for the Wano battle.

Third, the Whole Cake Island Arc directly ties into the Wano Country Arc itself thanks to Big Mom's presence at Wano. It's impossible to consider this story separate since there are so many loose threads from WCI that are now being resolved like, for example, Jinbe.

Fourth, the Dressrosa Saga can be considered it's own thing because the Yonko threat was literally in the background. Neither Kaido nor Big Mom had been fully introduced by then and their forces barely participated in the plot (Pekoms and Tamago had more presence during Fish-Man Island Arc). Doflamingo was treated as the ultimate obstacle of the saga, with his subordinates being the main opposition in Punk Hazard Arc as well. KingCannon (talk) 13:07, July 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * I've yet to get any kind of answer to the question of whether the name was provided by Oda himself in Shonen Jump or it was just an editorial thing, because those are two very different things. The Pope 16:15, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

As far as we know, Oda didn't have input in it. So it's not the best source, but it's still an official one, and it's better for the time being than a fanmade name. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:55, July 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * If Oda didn't name it, I hesitate to consider it "official". For all we know, literally some random editor at SJ decided upon it. In the very least, the subject is worth discussing. The Pope 18:38, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Even if the name is not 100% official (directly named by Oda), it is still much more "canon" than any title that we fans would create as it has been named by people working directly or indirectly alongside Oda. Aguacate (talk) 19:00, July 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi. Why and when was the name changed? maze  waxie  15:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

New Name
Isn't it obvious that this is the Wano Country Saga? The picture should be replaced with the volume 99-101 cover. In trivia, there could be to read "This saga once was known as "Four Emperors Saga"". The currently picture still could be seen there.

Speaking of sagas: this was shown recently:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1541152825249521664


 * Discussion is also underway on the Story Arcs Talk Page. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 04:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Arcs
Since apparently we're counting this as a Saga now, would it not be a good time to finally split Wano into arcs? Because the manga itself sort of has a deliberate split anyways. Wano was told in three acts, and act 3 itself was pretty meaty. It's kind of the climax arc of the saga, like Alabasta, Skypiea, and Marineford were for their respective sagas. Calling these "Wano Act 1" or "Wano Country Act 2 Arc" etc. would probably improve this saga a bit, from an encyclopedia standpoint. Otherwise, it kind of trivializes any distinction between "arc" and "saga". While we're on the subject, the Reverie Arc should probably be included too. Since it comes back within the Wano Saga. 17:29, 21 August 2022 (UTC)