Talk:Morley

Debut
It was probably him shown back in chapter 801. Thus, shouldn't 801 be his debut chapter?

195.70.214.5 13:50, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Eric Bischoff, PhD

He didn't appear in person to it doesn't count, like Garp talking about the Yonko. Rhavkin (talk) 14:16, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Basic info and trivia
He's not been introduced as a giant by the storyteller. He's not said it himself nor any of his partners. An unknown pirate was surprised by a gigantic apparition. Just like the three big members of the Franky Family were called giants by many. I think it's speculative to claim he's a giant when he's the size of Magellan or Whitebeard only.

By the same token, and though that is way more plausible, it hasn't been said anywhere that he's a devil fruit user. His underground entrance and being able to swipe the floor could be Lindbergh's teamwork for example. It's less probable, but it's speculative too. Mihawkins (talk) 13:17, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

He's much bigger than any member of the Kairiki Destroyers. And in the page where he's coming from the ground, you can see how big he is compared to regular humans (the pirates are about the size of his fingers). If we have characters stating that he's a Giant, with the evidence provided, we have no reason to not believe them.

And it's clear that he is an ability user. Pinkbeard implies it, and stating that Lindbergh is involved in that is completely baseless besides "he's an inventor, he could do absurd stuff". KingCannon (talk) 14:01, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

Is there any reason to remove the right observation of some user that Morley (regardless of what race he is) is comparatively much smaller than giants normally are? What is this now? The wikia of counterinformation? Mihawkins (talk) 11:56, May 31, 2018 (UTC)

Pronouns


It seems like the translations of the new Vivre cards have come out with new info. One of which is that Morley is Trans and refers to themselves with female pronouns.


 * If that's the case then we should refer to Morley as female. Anyone else in agreement? P.S.: I really hope the Yamato is male camp will be satisfied enough with this "compromise"... Timjer (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

The line about Morley having the heart of a maiden in Japanese is "風貌や声は、おっさんそのものだが、乙女の心を持つ. " and Artur's translation seems accurate. I think it'd be safe to use female pronouns, especially with the precedent already set with the heart of a woman thing. I think there's some ambiguity with newkama in general, but Artur's points are all solid so if others agree then I'm for it. DewClamChum (talk) 19:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I've seen others distinguish between the okamas/newkamas and trans people by saying that the kamas are more about personality and crossdressing rather than gender identity, and that "flowery personality" and crossdressing isn't the same as being trans. In the case Oda very much intends Morley to be transgender in the same way Kiku is, then I wish it was more consistent with how the Vivre Cards were written. Probably shouldn't be too surprised since Japanese generally seems to approach gender differently compared to others parts of the world. Crazyface201 (talk) 06:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Pronouns
A year ago, I changed Morley's pronouns to she/her due to new information provided by his Vivre Card. However, FANDOM staff's position on Yamato's article have shown that we should consider Vivre Cards worthless. Should we revert Morley's pronouns until the character is referred to as she/her in the story? MatiuxFox (talk) 07:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I think that would be best.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 06:36, 7 September 2022 (UTC))

The Vivre Card doesn't disagree with the manga's presentation, so there is no need to disregard it or to change the article. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 12:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

The Yamato discussion didn't decide not to use Vivre Card information at all, it decided that the manga overruled Vivre Card in that specific instance. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

A she?
Why was he referred as a she when he is clearly a man?

Joekido (talk) 01:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Morley's Vivre Card revealed that she was trans and uses she/her pronouns. See above. Walrsu (talk) 01:33, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

What the hell, he is clearly a dude. He never once called himself a woman in the manga. Trans does not mean its an automatic swap. Genocyber1987 (talk) 23:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

The Vivre Card explicitly stated that Morley is a trans woman. It uses the same "heart of a woman" term used in Kikunojo's Card. Walrsu (talk) 04:39, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

That means he is an effeminate man in Japan, it does not mean he is trans or is a woman. You are using western views on a japanese manga.Genocyber1987 (talk) 08:08, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

That's incorrect. This isn't up for debate; the phrase has been translated and established here, if you want to read through it. Walrsu (talk) 20:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)