Talk:Donquixote Doflamingo

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Joekido 21:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Crew
Okay, I see there are a lot of reference phrases (such as "old flag") as if Doflamingo is no longer commanding that crew and Bellamy was leave to do it, as Arlong is to Jimbei. This also contradict another parts of this page.

So far, the evidence is that Bellamy is a underling of Doflamingo: http://manga.bleachexile.com/one-piece-chapter-303-page-7.html ("under my command") http://manga.bleachexile.com/one-piece-chapter-303-page-8.html ("my royal follower") http://manga.bleachexile.com/one-piece-chapter-303-page-9.html ("by my side")

Ilovefoxes 12:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Doflamingo wasn't in command of the crew as he left that task to Bellamy. I think I can only liken this to Japanese bike gangs.  Basically, the former high-ranking members of the gang command the highest respect.  That respect does not die even if they leave or change leadership. This seems to be like Doflamingo's group, he isn't the leader anymore, but if he returns, the guys react as though he still is.  Plus, though he may not command the crew, he still owns it as they use his old flag alongside their own.  So long as you fly the flag, you follow the code in OP.  --One-Winged Hawk 21:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say that his bounty is high because he was the owner of a large business. I think we can all agree on that.

if donquixote doflamingo were in impel down...
what would happen to him,since his bounty is the highest in one piece?67.87.235.185 17:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)luffymonkey


 * Umm, even though this is not a forum, what do you mean? If he was there like Hancock or imprisoned like Jinbei?Mugiwara Franky 17:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I mean imprisoned.sorry,I forgot to add that "if he was A prisoner"thing.67.87.235.185 00:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)luffymonkey


 * If he were a prisoner then he would be placed in a level depending on the crimes he committed to get himself into the prison. If his crimes were bad, then he would be placed in Level 5 at most. If his crimes were really really bad that the World Gov't. considers his existence to be a threat, then he would be placed in Level 6. Having the highest known bounty so far doesn't necessarily mean he will automatically be placed in Level 6.Mugiwara Franky 00:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent Edit War on Page
Due to a recent edit war on this page, this page will be protected for 1 week so a proper discussion can be made. The most disputed edits are as follows:


 * 1) Doflamingo's height
 * 2) Whether to use How or Why for a question regarding Doflamingo's bounty

Please express your thoughts so the problem can be resolved.Mugiwara Franky 04:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

1. If you look at the picture with the shichibukai meeting, Doflamingos shin alone is as long as the marine next to him's entire torso

2.We know how he he got his bounty, illigal and crinmal activitys, but we don't know why or what he did to gain it --Swg66 20:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

How is still the proper word. It is also what every article uses. Drunk Samurai 22:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

the artical originaly said why and what other articals use it in that context, every other person who has a bouty close to that high has at least some explination or back story so we know the why, but this case is differnt becasue we know next to nothing about his pirate life, so it's not really the proper word.--Swg66 00:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Doflamingo's shin does look as long as the torso of the Marine sitting next to him. However, note that the Marine is sitting in the foreground and his legs are cropped. This means that it's not a complete comparison as the Marine is not sitting in the same level as Doflamingo, and the Marine's true height is debatable. Also note that in pics like this, characters like the Marines in the pic are given less emphasis than the main characters of the pic namely the Shichibukai. This means characters that are not the focus of a pic, sometimes get drawn distorted as they are not the focus of the picture. For Doflamingo's height to be truly determined, there has to be a clear picture of him and a normal sized character standing with him, hopefully side by side if possible like with Moria and Kuma.
 * It is unknown how his bounty became so high. It is unknown why his bounty became so high. Both are synonymous sentences stating the same thing. Arguing which conjunction to use for sentences that mean the same thing is abit silly. Also it sometimes doesn't matter what word is used as long as the idea is conveyed. In this case, the idea is about stating that the reason that Doflamingo's bounty is so high is an unknown. This idea can be written in any number of sentences as long as the idea is conveyed.
 * Mugiwara Franky 00:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, why however maybe the more appropriate word as it is asking the reason for Doflamingo's high bounty where is how is asking for the process Doflamingo took to get such a bounty.Mugiwara Franky 00:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

How is still more proper. The bounties page uses it for all the bounties. Drunk Samurai 00:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The bounty page is generally asking how did Pirate A receive such a bounty for every pirate. The sentence for Doflamingo being asked here however is not asking how did Doflamingo receive such a bounty, but why his bounty is so high.Mugiwara Franky 00:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

in regard to how tall he is, if you can't comapire the individuals how about an object they have in common, there both sitting in the exact same style of chair with uniform size and shape, Doflmingo shin is as long or longer than the back of the chair he's in and the marine next to him the back of his chair is as long as his entire torso.--Swg66 01:15, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The chair maybe a good comparison I guess. However, it looks almost like it's leaning backwards, like Doflamingo's weight is distorting it.Mugiwara Franky 02:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

well to me the chair dosn't look distorted, and the chair looks exactly the same os the others, all of the back of the chairs kinda have a curving back affect to them. Mihawks chair looks exactly like his and so does the marine next to him--Swg66 03:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually this was taken from the bounties page. "It is currently unknown how Bege received his bounty." "It is unknown how his bounty became so high." It's pretty much the same thing. Drunk Samurai 05:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The two sentences are actually somewhat different.


 * "It is currently unknown how Bege received his bounty." The sentence is stating that the crime that Bege did to warrant such a bounty is unknown. It's basically saying that the actions that Bege did to get a bounty are unknown, the process of how he got he a bounty.


 * "It is unknown how his bounty became so high." On the surface, the sentence seems similar but on further analysis, it's very different. The sentence is somewhat stating that Doflamingo did certain unknown actions to make his bounty become much higher than it was before. It's basically saying that the process of how he increased his former bounty is unknown. This is abit confusing as it suggests that Doflamingo's former bounty is not his first.
 * Mugiwara Franky 06:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

How is still the proper word to use. Also it doesn't suggest that his bounty wasn't his first. That's your own interpretation and it's a wrong one. Drunk Samurai 06:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * How - denotes manner as explained here, here, and here.


 * Why - denoted reason as explained here also, here, and here.


 * The sentence in question we are arguing about is stating that the reason of which Doflamingo's bounty is so high is unknown. For "how" to work in the sentence, it should be accompanied with "come", in other words "how come".Mugiwara Franky 06:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Power's
I can't be stated his powers are speculated to be devil fuit --Swg66 22:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) . we have no idea what his powers are
 * 2) .It say's right in it it's only a speculation
 * 3) . speculations Do Not belong in articals

Speculation rules back Swg66 in this case... We had the same problem with Dragon and came to the conclusion you can't write certain things like this out that way. (Now I hope Dragon's page is still the same saying that and no one's altered it.O_o). One-Winged Hawk 22:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Where has it been stated/seen that he can control 2 people at once? Just curious..


 * Yeah, where's that? I haven't seen it too. Rutim 11:56, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, then why do you say all those Supernovas, Marines, and other people are Devil Fruit users, despite not having their fruits named? All those people are "speculated" to be Devil Fruit users, so why not Doflamingo? Also, it would appear that Doflamingo is a Devil Fruit user. I mean, what else is there? He is a human, not a giant or something like that. Yatanogarasu 23:14, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The thing with the other characters is that they have Devil Fruit powers is clear. A man that acts like a castle with little people inside is clearly a Devil Fruit user. They are also some who have been clearly stated by characters to be Devil Fruit users without their Devil Fruit's name being shown.


 * With Doflamingo, its hard to tell if what he's doing is Devil Fruit based or not. He could be using a form of Devil Fruit power that grants puppetry, or he could be using extremely thin strings stored in his coat. It's just not clear.Mugiwara Franky 06:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Hands
I dont know but are his hands different right here

The quote
We're getting into a edit war over this however, so lets get an agreement between us.


 * 1) I am not against a quote there
 * 2) This guy us full of GREAT quotes, so its not important we use it here and with two quotes on an smallish page already I'm slightly concerned.
 * 3) Its on the Justice page and I think since its a quote on someone's opinion on justice, thats where it belongs.
 * 4) Okay, my opinion how he feels about being in the war would be better, he spoke only a chapter or two befoer that one on it.

So a discussion has to be made on this it seems, I feel that quote is wasted here, since although the discussion between me and the user(s? I can't remember who I've spoken to, sore memory) nothing came to a conclusion. However the editor felt there was. One-Winged Hawk 18:12, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, erasing ALL quotes was totally uncalled for and should NEVER happen. If theres ache over one quote, then talk and settle it, I don't know why the rest disppeared but I'm suprised they did.  If there are tantrums and spoilt brat symtoms flying in the air here, please leave them elsewhere before you edit; we've got more serious things to do.  If its an accident, then thats understandable, but still unacceptable.  I'm not the authourity to ask people to stop this, but I can comment on how annoying it is to be in edit wars over silly things which edit in carelessness.  One-Winged Hawk 18:19, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Those two quotes are Doflamongo's most signficant quotes. Besides, having quotes does not disrupt the layou of the article; in fact, in cases like this, they serve better than plain text ever could. Not to mention that other articles like Kuma have 3-4 quotes. Two quotes is fine.71.46.49.251 18:45, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its a significant quote, yes, but it doesn't mean it belonged HERE! As I said, it belongs on the Justice page, and it is. Kuma's page has more quotes?  I need to check that out.  At any regards, the size of the page and the supporting text should be considered.  Quotes aremore or less regardable in the same text as images, except there is no need to constantly repeat them on dozens of pages.   One-Winged Hawk 07:49, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

my bad, didn't mean to delete all quotes, i didn't even notice that it happene--Swg66 18:53, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Accepted. One-Winged Hawk 07:49, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Okay we've got Two quotes in question now...

Okay listen, that OTHER quote notes Doflamingo's OPINION ON DREAMS as well as WHY BELLAMY WAS DEFEATED. If we weigh it against the Justice quote, then its less important, as that only expressed ONE opinion on a SINGLE matter. This one however expresses TWO opinions on TWO different subjects that were related in this one incident. Plus, unlike the other quote we've got in question here, there is no other page it can go on. We can't put it on, say a dreams page, because although its about Doflamingo's opinion on dreams, it was also not related to dreams. This is a quote that could ONLY go on either Bellamy's OR Doflamingo's pages respectively.

If we can't settle this stupid edit war, I'm going to have to ask MF to lock this page. One-Winged Hawk 08:00, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * All I'm gonna say is that quotes are like images. If there is enough space for a quote and if it is placed properly, then it can stay. For the Doflamingo quote about justice, maybe putting it in the justice article would be proper I guess. Also there's a chance that he'll say something else in the next chapters, the guy simply sticks more than just his tongue out of that mouth. For the moment, I guess wait until the arc is over or at least until a couple of future chapters.Mugiwara Franky 11:34, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * All he says to Bellamy is "you should listen to other people". That's not as important nor as significant as his thoughts on how the world works and how "justice" is warped. It's in the Justice page? Good, it belongs there too. But it also belongs here, since it's much more critical to his character than him telling Bellamy to listen to people. Buh6173 17:33, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * No he also says quite clearly, the existance of peoples' dreams are something he is not intereasted. One-Winged Hawk 08:07, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * All he was saying is that he didn't care whether or not Sky Island or the city of gold existed; he wasn't saying anything about dreams. However, if you feel that strongly towards the quote, then we should keep all three. Buh6173 13:15, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you read up, MF's recommendation is we leave the third quote off until the arc finishes, in case something better comes up. One-Winged Hawk 15:41, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think what he was saying is wait and see if he has a better quote, and if he does, then use that quote instead, but for now leave this one. Whether that's what he meant or not, I think that would be the best decision. Buh6173 16:09, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

So far when the history of the page comes up, most of what is seen is this edit war. Is the quote significant, yes. Does it really need to be on the page, depends whether or not there is space or whether the guy will say anything else. In any case, decor like images and quotes shouldn't really take precedence in an ongoing arc. They help illustrate things however without a clear picture of the whole situation from beginning to end, one can't really say the flavor of the week is super important. At the very least, one can't say the flavor is super important that it needs to be super emphasized until the next flavor comes up.

Alot of the edit wars being waged currently are apparently mostly focused on decor like images and quotes. When certain decor is reduced for the sake of the text, a war happens. I'm starting to get fed up as the focus of the wikia, information, is becoming less important to such decor. It's true that some parts in the wikia require decor however some parts require the focus of the wikia more. Due to current events, all sorts of epic stuff is coming up. I think its best to focus more on recording the events rather than prettifying the information. We can do that when its all over.Mugiwara Franky 16:53, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I hear you out MF, we never had to have such a thing called Image Guidelines either... And at one point I was spending an hour at least a day reading manga pages. These days I'm reading the chapters twice and not taking it further.  The reason for the IG page was to aid in stopping the decor.  I'm finding the argument over the quote silly, and even more annoying I'm in this thing.  I regret ever adding that template here somewhat, but it was needed at the time.  A few of the quotes... Its getting silly.  I'm starting to hope there won't need to be guidelines for quotes, because that seems pitiful to go THAT far.


 * Reminds me of my days as a Beyblade fan... We had a forum, no rules... But over time, we had to add rules because someone abused the rulelessness. But then we realised we weren't having fun anymore. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 20:38, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, can't bring myself to like that quote staying, I'm tired of the edit war. Okay following MFs advice, we'll end it here, continue this when the arc is over.  Right now I'm as sick of this as MF is, maybe more because I'm the one at the centre of this.  When I first added it to the Justice page I didn't think it was ever worthy of being on Doflamingo's as its a long quote for any page and I had my doubts for the Justice page based on that.  Now I'm tired, Buh's not backing down and I'm getting annoyed wasting time on this.  I've explained my reason against it and it shouldn't have had to come to a edit war.


 * So lets end this, we'll rediscuss that quote at the end of the current arc. Right now, I'm regretting I ever added that quote templte to care to think about them.  This is the second or third, possibly the fourth time they've annoyed me.  When I added the quote temple it was so we could have 2 or 3 quotes per page (nothing more I note).  My general annoyance has been here since the CP9 sixth forms page where theres quote (and pointless ones I note) splattered all over the place.  One-Winged Hawk 20:54, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Doflamingo's homeland
I have a little question: Where it is said Doflamingo is from the North Blue? I don't remember it from the manga nor the anime...--Omartron 18:48, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Well, since Bellamy is from the North Blue, it is assumed that Doflamingo is from there as well seeing as the Bellamy Pirates were and are the only known pirate organization to be under his control. Even though his true homeland has yet to be revealed, given his ties with Bellamy, I'd say that him being from the North Blue is a pretty safe bet. --DancePowderer 03:22, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * If that's the only piece of evidence, then that would be speculation, no? Buh6173 03:36, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * But that's a lame logic (don't misunderstand me), I mean, the most obvious example is the Straw Hat Crew: the fact Sanji is from North Blue do not make his captain from North Blue as well. I think is speculation. --Omartron 15:37, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm agreeing on it being speculation here. You could argue its an educated guess, but Omartron pointed out the flaw is presuming things like that. One-Winged Hawk 16:04, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to say it was a fact, or even a likely fact, it was just my opinion based on what has been revealed so far. I know speculation is bad, I'll do my best to avoid it in the future. I just realized though that if you think about it, Boa Hancock, Jinbei, and in a way Gecko Moria the only shichibukai to have their homelands revealed.--DancePowderer 01:56, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * The whole crew is from North Blue.Mugiwara Franky 17:53, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * He's probably just talking about the Bellamy Pirates, not Doflamingo. The Pope 18:11, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its however kinda interesting. With the Sanji being from North Blue also makes Luffy also from North Blue case, it proves false as that's just one character. With the Doflamingo case, it's not just one character but the whole crew. A guy commanding a whole North Blue crew and is not a native to North Blue himself seems a bit far fetched. It is possible what with Luffy's crew however the whole crew with the same nationality appears to be more pointed.Mugiwara Franky 18:21, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, Bellamy Pirates isn't his crew; they're just one crew working beneath him. The Pope 18:31, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Orientation
Just a quick observation, Doflamingo said "You got some mouth on you!! Fufu! How about you and I hook up?" I'm not sure whether he was saying it to Jozu or Crocodile but could that, coupled with his already flamboyant outfit, be a possible implication that he is gay? Jozu said diamond jaws and Crocodile threatenend him, so he could mean either a figurative or literal mouth. Hook up could just refer to him taking control of Jozu. I don't know, what do you guys think?--DancePowderer 01:12, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I really think this belongs in a forum, but I guess I'll just say that by "hook up" he meant team up. Not romantically. That would just be ridiculous, especially in the middle of a battlefield. Buh6173 01:27, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

he was asking to team up not "hook up" in a romantic reaionship, all the early tranlations he asked to team up, thts just te spin franky house took on what he said, he wasn't asking for a date he was askng to team up--Swg66 03:07, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Front Image
Isn't it more significant to use the image from the anime source? Think in the case of Kuma, where his anime color scheme is far off from his manga one, yet it still stays as it is. The Pope 17:42, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * The anime changed Doflamigo's colorscheme to match the manga's. For Kuma, his manga colorscheme was changed to match the anime's.Mugiwara Franky 17:50, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * His current anime color scheme I believe is still slightly different from that of his manga, as the sunglasses are colored differently. Should we still use an image from the current anime, or what? The Pope 04:29, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * While the glasses are differently colored, the anime still hasn't shown a proper full body shot of him in his new color scheme I believe. The manga image on the other hand, is closer to what is being currently portrayed in the anime and is the only image so far that meets minimum requirements.Mugiwara Franky 04:42, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * So if/when we get a proper full-body shot of Doflamingo in his new color scheme, should we use that, even if that glasses are shaded differently? The Pope 12:00, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * What is the main reason behind the use of anime images in the articles? I think the images from manga are better than those of the anime (way better) so, what's the deal with the selection of images? We just can't use the manga images instead of anime images?

I feel sorry if my english skills aren't that good... I tried my best... Greetings Omartron 02:29, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's pretty much an established rule to have all images used from the anime, if possible. The Pope 03:09, October 21, 2009 (UTC)