Forum:Madam Shirley's age

ok so here is my problem, it seems to me that there is a problem with the ages of Shirley and Hody. the site states Shirley is 25-29 and Hody is 30. i looked over the manga, sbs included, nothing indicating Shirley's age, but Hody is realy 30. and if you look at this pic you see Shirley being at less twice Hody's size, so in less fishmen grow at a slower rate then mermaids, this would indicate is older than Hody, not younger.

can you help me out if im missing something, or is the site wrong. Ltbwolf 04:40, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Her tail hasn't split yet, so she isn't 30.

Well, perhaps Oda made a mistake/typo in his math or something. Or perhaps Shirley simply had her split tail re-merged back into one, as Kokoro did when she saved the Straw Hat Pirates during Enies Lobby. 07:21, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

She's mentioned as being Arlong's younger sister. We don't know how much younger, but she looks young. Oda mentioned that he only had young, unsplit mermaids in the cove, where Shirley lives. She's also only shown using the floaty bubble thing. If she was 30+, why not just walk? She's also bigger than the average mermaid, so her being bigger than Hody when they're both young doesn't mean much.

You say oda only had young, unsplit mermaids in the cove, but according vol.63 sbs oda says, "The important fact is that the ladies all swim ashore in their 40s and 50s to live on land! (this explanse all the orphans in the Fishman District)" So it is possible for a mermaid in her 30 up to 50 years of age to be at the cove. And as for the hole not walking thing maybe she just doesnt want to, makes her feel old, or because no body else is. Walking would a consten reminder their get old and that in a few sort years they have to leave and go live on land. Ltbwolf 14:07, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Keimi said that 25 years ago she foresaw the end of Gol D. Roger and the beginning of the Great Age. Since mermaids split their tails when they're 30, she should be 25-29. Hody's flashback as a little kid suggests otherwise. Given the shape of her tailfin, it doesn't look like she has split yet, but I could be wrong. 15:52, November 20, 2011 (UTC)



given the shape of the tailfin, we have seen one mermaid with a split tailfin, Kokoro, but thanks to oda we cannot see the middle of the tailfin in the manga and it is only shown for a few sec. in the anime where she is saving the SHs. its not a very good shot, but you can see the middle of her tailfin and there is no kind of seam indicating two separate leg like taifins (and this is after they all pass-out, not Sanji's mermaid dream). Given the shap of her tailfin, it doesn't look like she has split yet. Ltbwolf 18:37, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Does it really matter how old she is? The only people who care are the ones who want her to join SH, and that ain't happenin' any time soon.

I do care about her age, but i dont want her and dont think she will join the SHs. If you have nothing constructive to add keep it to your self. Ltbwolf 21:18, November 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * The anime is no basis on a theory, or prove any different due to mistake being made in the past. One-Winged Hawk 21:19, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, cause your comment totally added to the conversation..

Ok fine One-Wnged Hawk, we cannot used in the anime a proof (then is wikia is screwed). but DancePowderer says it doesn't look like she has split yet, but nowhere in the manga do we see the middle of a split taifin, while swiming. So we dont know that one looks like and cannot say wither Shirley has one or not. Ltbwolf 21:54, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

If Oda mentions an age then that's what it is. For instance on with Shirahoshi she is 16 because of the events that happened 10 years ago. If Oda didn't mention anything then it is better to assume younger until it is known. SeaTerror 20:09, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Angel is right, though, the anime is not the best thing to base a theory on. I don't remember her legs ever resticking together in the manga. Also, Ltb, we go by the manga first here, not the anime. It doesn't count as proof for anything except character colorschemes. So the anime-only pic you have of Kokoro is invalid unless you can find its equivalent in the manga. Try sounding less rude next time. 20:44, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I already recanted my anime proof (agan this wikia is screwed). There is no shot of Kokoro taifin in the manga that shows what a split taifon would look like, so how can you say it doesnt look like Shirley has one when you dont know what one likes like. so i guess what im getting at here is that i think its stupid to give Shirley an age cap (also it stupid to think a 0 year old could verbalize a prediction, but thats a whole nother thing). And no Ltbwolf 21:50, November 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * facepalm* Screwed because we know that the anime is not canon? SeaTerror 22:37, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * to be honest i have no idea how to respond to the things you say. mostly i dont know what your trying to say and a little out of fear theyll block me from the site for how i respond. Ltbwolf 23:39, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

You said that the wikia is screwed because we don't accept the anime (something non-canon) as evidence. SeaTerror 23:10, November 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * no thats not what im saying, i was just being an arse to the One Wing guy and meant that the wikia uses alot of anime stuff, and the second time was to piss-off dancePowderer. ain't i nice. Ltbwolf 00:24, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

I take it back there should be an age cap for Shirley, 40 that would make her one year younger than Arlong her older borther. Ltbwolf 13:42, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

There already is an age cap. It says 29 on the article as the max age. SeaTerror 04:18, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

are you even read what has been writen? i had writen previously that there sould be no age cap for Shirley (right above your whole facpalm thing) sence there was no way to pin pont her age, but i had forgotten about her older borther Arlong who is 41 making Shirleys max age 40 (thats if the whole pregnancy time span is the same as a humans). again you cant say her tailfin havs not split because we dont know what one looks like, just because you think it doesnt look split doesnt mean it hasnt.