Talk:Mythbusters/Archive 1

Explanations on Categories
I'm putting this at the top for a reason since I didn't supply a reason in the first place when I should have done.


 * 1) Misunderstandings/Mistranslations - The reason why I grouped them both together is they are innocent fan errors.
 * 2) Speculations - Popular theories, either used a lot by fans or ones that just don't die that simply. You can usually see these happening in Arlong Park or other sites.
 * 3) Rumours - Similar to the above, but with no clear source of origins. With the speculations, you can usually locate a source, but these ones are either so old or vague its hard to source them.
 * 4) Fakes/Jokes - purpose built errors deliberately trying to get people to believe what isn't true.

That should be enough to explain things. One-Winged Hawk 14:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

DFs
Could someone with Mr 5 or Brook's fruit be able to eat a 2nd cursed fruit if they are able to survive?


 * Not here too! Please Pikazilla, I told you on on wikipedia not to open up these discussion. If you really want to talk about anything: Community Cafe is the page to ask and talk about anything. Just write it on the said pages talk page. Otherwise please find a forum to ask in. ^-^'


 * Really, I'd be HAPPY to give you some links to a few. One-Winged Hawk 13:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Saul...
If you excuse me from my temper, I usually don't mind your edits, however this is a special case. I worked so hard writing the "Saul is 900" and I know what I'm talking about. Now I have to rewrite the section because my entry of this page is gone and it's going to be another 1 hour write.

The whole "Saul is 900" came out from a mind of one person from the APfourm who theorize that Saul is 900. The person who started this is Goustifruit who refuse to accept the truth that Saul is not 900. This stuff did not come from a fake spoiler however one source says that Luffy's shadow would be putted in a former Marine Admiral but was proven fake. Now Angel whatever you have in mind, please share with me.

Joekido 15:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If I could edit while logged in... I would say "There are dozens of pages, I'm trying to figure out where the rumours are coming from... I make mistakes." I've only just figured out, that this is related to me be logged in. Back dammit! What can I do here besides minor edits while I'm NOT logged in!!! Yeah I already explained this on Arlong Park. I thought I'd better write it here too so everyone knows my response.


 * Dam this data session loss error is bugging me right now. >_<' (one stressed out One-Winged Hawk) 82.34.192.189 21:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I blame the missing section on the data session loss error for not saving our hard work. This better be resolved soon

Joekido 22:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

My fault, I apologize
I'll have to deal with myself soon. Anyway yesterday I wrote the section "Saul is 900" but for some reason the page did not save my work because my entry and I must have forgot to save. Oh well, I'm going to rewrite and make sure that it's saved

Joekido 16:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Shanks X Trunks
I have listen that Shanks was inspired by Trunks, is it true?


 * You mean you have read not listened (confusing to understand, that was for others benefit). Lets see... In all the SBSs I've seen this hasn't come up. What is the source of your information? One-Winged Hawk 10:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * My brother tell me that, no real source anyway. =/


 * My brother once told me Daichi was going to replace Tyson on Beyblade... Never happened. Don't believe what your told. One-Winged Hawk 23:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Robin
"A good example is the previously mention with Usopp's rescue. She had her eyes closed when she formed those eyes on Luffy's arm, not to mention the end of his arm was well out of sight by the time she formed them."

She created eyes on Luffy's arm, there still exist the argument that she closed her eyes because that is needed for the new eyes. This isn't a good example, in my opinion.


 * Oda's words: Robin can feel every part of her body. See can still feel her original hands when she creates multiple ones, just as she can still see out of her original eyes even if she creates a hundred. She probably just closed them for concentration/focus on the eyes she wanted to see out of only. One-Winged Hawk 23:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

"The higher the bounty the stronger they are"'s example
Would this be a better a example for this mythbuster:

"After Enies Lobby, Usopp got a bounty than Chopper's but Chopper is definitely stronger than Usopp. This situation is most likely based on eye witness accounts and testimonies from the Marines and Government agents stationed in Enies Lobby during the Strawhats' raid on the judicial island.

Among Usopp's actions during Enies Lobby, at least two accounts witnessed by Enies Lobby staff would be very notable. The first is the burning of the Government flag and the second is the sniping of a high positioned government director, Spandam, from a large distance. While these are not feats of pure physical strength, they can be considered acts of terrorism by the World Government comparable to burning a national flag or shooting a president. Given this info, the authorities would most likely considered Usopp a threat despite not knowing his true strength, hence why Usopp got a high bounty.

Chopper, on the other hand, while he showed more feats of physical strength during Enies Lobby, probably none of which were properly seen by Enies Lobby staff. While the battered body of Kumadori was discovered by Enies Lobby staff, the source of how he got that way was unseen to them and vast speculation was open to them. Also since Chopper was completely immobile during the Buster Call attack and most likely unnoticed by the Marine captains, the only pure confirmation of Chopper's existence and affiliation with the Strawhats to the World Government would be the picture taken of him in Water 7. Since the picture only shows what can be speculated by authorities as a pet and not a monster, Chopper would most likely considered less a threat than the rest of the crew, hence why Chopper got the lowest bounty."

Mugiwara Franky 03:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah that'll do. I used Enel just because people tend to use him as an example a lot just the amount he would have had was so high, without taking into consideration he destroyed two islands which would have earned him some of that bounty and not his raw power alone. One-Winged Hawk 09:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Gear 4
I have wanted to write this on the page for a while now... I admit though I've heard of this but do not know the rumours. A recent topic created on Arlong Park reminded I was meant to add this a while ago. Anyone know what the hell its about. I got from what little I could find out its based on Super Saiyen(however its spelt) 4 or something? One-Winged Hawk 12:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Adding A.I.D.S.
Can I add "A.I.D.S." to the page ("Ace Is Dead Society") and "Brook is Black" or is that taking things too far? Lol. XD One-Winged Hawk 19:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do this. At least "Ace is dead" is a rumour I know, and some people might belive this. El Chupacabra 13:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Grosses Messer
The article states that "Grosses Messer" means "Black Blade" in german, however this is wrong. "Grosses Messer" means "Big Blade" or "Big knive", and "Black Blade" would be "Schwarzes Messer". However "Big" and "Black" sounds somehow similar, so the explanation migt be true. El Chupacabra 13:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "Big Blade" means "Grosse(Große) Klinge", if you say "Grosses(Großes) Messer" you mean "Big Knife", there is no other possible translation for it.--BananaJoe 19:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Duval entry necessary?
It just says that we don't know who he is. That's not really busting any myths. Also, it will be completely pointless once we do know who he is, which could be very soon, so the entry isn't really doing any good.


 * It should have a little more information, but then again, some of the other myths we've mentioned contain less writing. I'll see what I can do. One-Winged Hawk 08:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Dadan/Dragon issue
I'm going to make a slight edit to the Mythbusters page regarding Dadan. You can reverse if you think what I'm doing is incorrect, but I don't think Woop Slap was referring to Monkey D. Dragon when he asked if Dadan knows about this, especially if it's just after he said all 3 generations are screwed up. I think Dadan is a completely different character altogther, not an accurate translation of Luffy's father's name. I mean the katakana for their names are completely different, and no fansub is dumb enough to romanize Doragon to Dadan. It even sounds like the characters are saying the name "Dragon" in the original. Uglyguy2008 17:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've seen the fansub that said "Dragon". --One-Winged Hawk 17:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Seriously, I've seen the fansub that did. It was one of the quick subs I think... They have a tendancey to do such mistakes. :-/ --One-Winged Hawk 14:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

About ratings...
I'm no expert, but on the "Skipping episodes to get to Chopper" thing, some of the arcs cut out are stated as recieving low ratings in Japan. But, on Kaizoku Fansubs, it mentions that the fillers actually recieved decent, and even good ratings, when they aired, specifically the Cobymeppo filler, which ranked third on the scale when they aired. Should we take that into consideration? YolkaEd 00:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Interesting, because when I first joined K-F they said the opposite. Maybe the intepretantion has changed on the ratings on those old ratings? I don't know. But that came from K-F's themselves. I guess there has been much worst since to make them change thier opinion, but then again when they said that they were still subbing Skypiea and were about 85% the way through it.


 * You can get the ratings for shows, but I don't know from. You'd need the show rating for Japan from somewhere. I've seen K-F use them from time to time. --One-Winged Hawk 06:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can confirmed some rough estimates. Okay, did find some stuff I wrote down that someone else once gave.


 * The average rating for this show is about 8 (the highest I saw for a ep at when it was put on K-F was "12.something" which came from one of the Water 7 eps (not the fillers, their ratings were between 5 and 6 mostly)). The ratings for those fillers, is usually between 5 and 7 (G8 arc was an exception, it higher ratings then normal for filler, I have no idea of the previous filler arc between water 7 and thriller bark). I still can't find the info the filler eps precisely though, I add. The lowest rating I've seen for a One Piece ep was 3 or 4 (considering the average is 8, thats... ouch!) and I can't remember which episode it was for, from memory that was filler.


 * I'll try and find the proper information by Monday. Though I once jotted these down, the infos out of date.One-Winged Hawk 19:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Should we include
From Arlong Park forums, Ocean's rumours:


 * 1) Someone would come along that looked like Sanji's wanted poster. (Which Ocean said happened).
 * 2) Ace will die.

And also the £$%& predication made there about Zoro departing from the crew since there was claim Ocean had said i t (when not). The issue was a bit confusing, but since they've been mentioned heavy in the 511 spoiler thread at AP... One-Winged Hawk 19:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't know. Are the rumors really known widespread? If they are then they could be included otherwise it would be just the same as including any other random speculation.Mugiwara Franky 08:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In that case, only Ocean's would count. Ocean's ones are pretty famous at AP because of of them was proven true and the other "likely". --One-Winged Hawk 08:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Automated transfer of Problem Report #12246
The following message was left by Anonymous via PR #12246 on 2008-07-25 07:55:13 UTC

''On the progression of time, there is evidence of time because Coby and Helmeppo both age a lot from the beginning of the story. ''


 * Yeah, someone made a statement without checking up on it. If they had checked, they'd have not wasted the time like they did. They also reported the page when they could hve just asked the rest of us. Previously, the info simply wasn't on the page that confirmed Coby hadn't aged at all when it got missed. But as I said, had they asked/checked they would have known. --One-Winged Hawk 20:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Page is getting long
Man... This page is getting long. Lol. I think we've cover just about all the myths by now. Even ones that weren't that well known. :-P --One-Winged Hawk 20:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe they are all you know, but reading the comments of others languages I have found a little more variety, like today reading comments of the chapter 515 someone said that Boa Hancock was the seventh sichibukai. And i really doubt it. Jd0064 21:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah... You might want to rethink those words... You don't want to see the current chapter spoilers...


 * A few of the foreign ones wouldn't be too bad to include so long as their in english. But no French, German, Swedish, wahtever, etc language related ones... But can you post them here first so we can decide if they are okay or not (some language related ones might be problem for english fans to understand). --One-Winged Hawk 21:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Dragons devil fruit
i believe he did say something about wind, right when the storm hit. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/20/ Gojita 13:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Gojita

In the very link you provide, he says nothing about the wind. Dragon makes no comment on the weather at all; gives no indication that he had anything to do with it.

Going to die of embarressment
I can't believe what I just had to add to this page... God. I don't know whats worst,that explaination as to why Medusa became a gorgon on Hancock's page, or Nami and Absalom's bit on this page. Lets just say... I'm not enjoying the fandom lately. Please... Let it end before I die of embarressment already. Its also bad I was the one who had to add the stretchy regions bit to Luffy's page as well as the bit on Buggy's page.

Hang on...

Why I am I the one having to add these things?

Considering how easily this embarresses me writing them... O_o' --One-Winged Hawk 14:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Im dont believe those 4 at the end, they dont have "fact" at all =S Jd0064 19:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They were removed... God, that is the downside to having a wiki. One-Winged Hawk 22:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I can feel bad for creating this page in the frist place so I feel your pain. Because One Piece is known for it's wild twist and turns, I have always wanted to create a page that would stomp out insane speculations, rumors and fake spoilers. I think there are stuff here that really don't need to be here like Absalom raping Nami, we can metion that in her page that Absalom did not rape Nami.

Joekido 20:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, because it regards a misunderstanding. Best to have them all together here and not clogging up the character pages. And its because there are a lot of stupid fans out there who don't have a dictionary that things like that creep up. The page is doing its job just nicely, its a shame so much crap comes out of forums and other fandom hang-outs. :-( One-Winged Hawk 22:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * More stuff being added every few weeks. I added the "Oda said so note" just because this is a classic kind of rumour they've I've come across since I first went on the net for something. I can't remember the first time what happened I came across that kind of rumour insurer on what it as about.


 * Some of this stuff really is minor though... I don't know if we should cull it, since it has a lack of refs, but how do you ref this lot? If it wasn't assigned to the editors guidebook it wouldn't be on the site forthe most part. O_o One-Winged Hawk 16:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Add?
should we add this fake spoiler? --One-Winged Hawk 15:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably not. It didn't get added to the first post in that thread, so people have forgotten about it already. If people kept bringing it up like it was fact, I'd add it, but no one has mentioned them since the real pics were posted (for once). --72.82.11.168 16:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It was mentioned for about at least 6 pages of response even after that. Thats more then a couple of the others on this page. --One-Winged Hawk 16:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ten cycles stunt
That was the biggest thing to make the fandom cry since Montblanc D. Norland... SO including it in the page ASAP. --One-Winged Hawk 16:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

On Luffy's age
I removed the bit about Luffy not turning 17 yet. What Oda said in that SBS was that every year is Luffy's 17th birthday.

Half Brothers
OK, a lot of people are thinking Ace is Luffy's half brother. Even thougn he's probably not, should there be something like that mentioned on the mythbusters article? If so, where should it go under? I would say speculation or rumor

Kingluffy1 01:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Speculation. We have had confirmation from Ace that Dragon is his father, but when mentioning his mother, we had no indication of whether or not she is Lufy's mother as well. --New Babylon 00:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Golden Lion a VA
It says here that Golden Lion was "hinted" to be a vice admiral (would you believe I originaly wrote "voice actor"? :P). But in the preview of Movie 10, we only saw a person, siting in a meeting room amongst other marines (we dont know if this is the HQ or not), of whom we know nothing, even if he is Golden Lion. I ask this simply if anything else croped out to confirm it that I don't know if. --New Babylon 00:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I know even less then most on this matter, but yes you are right. One-Winged Hawk 09:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Animated Cover Stories
Since the "Low Rating" reason is wrong, as explained, what was then the reason for not animating the mini-arcs? El Chupacabra 14:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know, I left it there because its the reason people blame it for. There isn't any known explaination, I'm guessing the low-ratings were anti-4Kids rallying of the past. 4Kids are responsible for introducing more westerners to anime then any other company at the time, but they budget things a lot, I suspect this is a case of "keeping the cost of production low". This is 4Kids experience with other animes they've handled speaking. Take in mind their second biggest earner was Yu-Gi-Oh. Yu-gi-oh in particular has the very first series not dubbed, its controversal and at the time they wanted to kick the card game off, but season 1 has only a few eps dedicated to the game itself. Why dub season 1 when season 2 is the first season you need to dub to actaully SELL the product?


 * You must understand there is a lot of speculation involved and guesswork, perhaps that bit can be rewritten to stress its all sepculation for now. We have, no word of 4Kids on the matter. The closet thing I can get is the phrase "Fans must understand to sell the show in North America there willbe changes". I think in the end all we can say "4Kids changed the series, cutting many episodes to make the series appeal to their target audience" or something like that, which I can dig up my previous sentances source to support it. This particular bit of this page is one of the most difficult to sort fact from fiction.One-Winged Hawk 19:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay had a dig at rewording that phrase so that its clearer its just fan speculations an all. Hope this sounds beter, it can be tweeaked if need be. One-Winged Hawk 09:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, Angel, hate to brak this to ya, but he was not talking about why 4kids never aired the existing two cover stories, he asked if there is any givenr eason why more have not been animated, seeing as the "low ratings" was the only explanation people have been able to com up with . :/ --New Babylon 10:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry. Hmm... I don't know. Either way, thats the only explaination in tht case. Sorry. X-D One-Winged Hawk 10:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The reasons why 4Kids didn't air the two animated mini arcs (and many other episodes as well) are well explaned in the "Skipping Arcs to get to Chopper" section; that's not the point. I really cannot understand why Toei animated the first two arcs but not the following eight, although the rating were not worse then the those of the "normal" arcs. Apart from these stories, no part of the manga was skipped, instead they even produced filler arcs, which were often disliked and criticised by the fans. Now, when the anime storyline is getting up with the manga, it would make a lot of sence to bring the remainig mini arcs on the screen, this would give aproximately 16 new episodes; perhaps they'll do it somewhen after the spy island arc....El Chupacabra 11:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thinking about it I can make *some* sort of guess... Remember Coby and Helmeppo talking about Reverse Mountain? They never went up it, but in the anime they said they did. They even spoke about the scary mountain. Later, Coby comes up with this great little story about it being a tall tale and they never went over it, but the papers reported it to hide the truth. Heres my opinion, the fact while the sotries are canon, but are vaguely written out, not starring the main characters, may be a related cause. Most of the Koby + Helmeppo eps and Buggy eps contains a lot of fluff. One-Winged Hawk 12:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Did they catch you out?
Any of the editors get caught out by the fake spoiler of female Luffy at Arlong Park Forums? I was expecting a attempt at April the First this year, I missed last years. I even began cleaning up this page in preperations for it, esp. after I saw the female Luffy appear.

On a serious note, any suggestions for the "speculations" in the way of pictures, I managed to get a few done. I don't like spending too lng on this page, as it distracts from the more imortan pages. But I spent an hour trying to think up something. I have one i mind for th "Mushy stuff" section (Hancock + Luffy) but I'd like at least one more. One-Winged Hawk 23:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I was kinda iffy on believeing it at first cause i saw the spoiler on mangahelpers.com and they labeled the spoiler confirmation as "pending", however it now reads "Fake" so I didn't really fall for it. --Kingluffy1 14:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Settle it
Sometimes we jump to conclusions without waiting for anything official from Oda and embarrass ourselves once the truth is out but sadly, that's the price of human nature

Can we resolve the issue on this set of text, I'm tired of seeing this edit and reverting on this. I'mnot bothered by what we have there, I didn't write it afterall (Joekido), but I'd fed up with it. One-Winged Hawk 07:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious that [] and [] are the same person anyway. Two IP's just happen to complain at the same time? Drunk Samurai 07:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Well if we want to delete it then do so, but if not then don't. Remamber I'm not in charge here. And yeah, it appears to be the same person, why is he's making an odd move here over that text in 2 differant IP address?

I understand what I wrote seems to be kinda harsh, it was written back in late 2006 shortly after I had such an stressful month with few editors and I was still trying to be the boss and I was pretty selfish when that was written(And I'm still like that now, but I'm still working on this personal issue). I believe we should delete it or leave it if we must. Oh and Chapter 544 is out now, can we update now

Joekido 08:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

71.115.199.62 from US

61.9.65.2 from Phils


 * I vote for deletion. It's completely unnecessary and this isn't really the site for it. This site is for information solely about One Piece. I enjoy philosophy, but there shouldn't be any philosophical statements of human nature unless it's on an OP character's viewpoints in it, such as when Iceburg scolded Rob Lucci over the Pluton blueprints:
 * Lucci:You don't trust the government, do you, Iceburg-san.
 * Iceburg:I only know...about the nature of humans, BRAT...
 * 208.127.99.44 08:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Proxies. It really doesn't matter if it stays. It's just obvious that they are the same person. Drunk Samurai 17:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Drunk Samurai, Look here
Please stop reverting the page and let someone delete that text. If it was not for the awkardness that put too much stress on me the day I wrote the Thousand Sunny/King of Beast part, that text would not be written so leave it alone or I will request the page to be protected.

Joekido 05:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious they are all the same person. Of course nobody gives a shit and just lets everybody abuse the wikia just because they are too damn lazy to do anything about it. Drunk Samurai 05:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Removing unnecessary things from the wikia is abusing it? lol, this explains a lot.


 * Its a bit pathetic the way this argument went. But we are all individauls, I just got sick of seeing this, unless something gets resolved, the wikia can't go forward. By the looks of it, the issue was resolved anyway. One-Winged Hawk 21:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm the original one who deleted the text, and I'll assure you that I at least have only ever used this computer and this IP to change things. I just happened to have a couple people agree with me. Anyways, it's nice to see this resolved. 71.115.199.62 09:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Tallest females?
Can sometime tell me how tall Boa Hancock is? Is Aphelandra a giant? If she isn't how tall is she? How tall are Boa Marigold and Boa Sandersonia?

Will any of them join Luffy's crew? Because that would be great if one of them did.


 * This is not a community forum to ask those types of questions. Subrosian 02:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Registered users only
Can we change the status of this page to Registered users only. Just about every random IP recently has mistake the purpose of this page or done a dumb edit. One-Winged Hawk 07:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. fui 07:16, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Although there's been a dumb edit on just about every page in here, Mythbusters has suffered the most, especially since its purpose keeps getting misunderstood.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 07:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Vote or Veto
There are many myth that is found throughout the internet that does not end up here but there are myth that is not worthy to be here so I'm planning on listing each myth I found here and we must decide which belongs on the main page or which is not. Hopefully that this section wil not be ignored. But don't wait on me, this implies to everyone, if you find any myth but felt unsure to add them in the Mythbuster page, please list them here so we can decide on whatever it allowed or not.Joekido 00:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I just want to say, they should only be included on this page:


 * If they've been heavily discussed on a spoiler topic and revealled to be false (Sanji on fire for example, the Ace, ice admiral and BB fake).
 * If they've appeared on more then one forum (D = Dragon, Asia and Laki)
 * If they've turned up on more then one occusion. (Fishmen and mermen female confusion, the female music player)


 * Otherwise, one off suggestions simply don't belong; every fan makes dumb suggestions from time to time, why put up a chance here to be mocked for it forever? One-Winged Hawk 06:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Myth 1
Topic: Hulk Horgen voicing Franky, Usopp becoming Luffy's enemy, and Lucchi and Eneru fighting without breaking a sweat

Nominator Joekido 00:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply: Do these belong on the page? For now I'm going to be netural here and let you decide

Myth 2
Okay I can't remember the details but wasn't there the discussion on A.Park about the tidal wave WB created being stopped by ice admiral and the third admiral unable to stop one that killed 50,000 marines or something. This needs to go on the p;age as the recent chapter shows ice admiral stopps the waves and saying everyone as far as I am aware. One-Winged Hawk 06:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Akainu Black Hair?
In Kaku and Akainu section it states that akainu has black hair but i don't see it any of the pics--138.88.150.137 16:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

*slaps DS and Joekido*
Quit with the reverts!

Now I must agree that the example IS relevent and I hate to say it, I question why it was removed in the first place. The example shows a person now even a D. that is strong, which is what is mentioned in the text. I'll not go into detail, I don't care if we do or don't have an example there; knock it off with the reverts, your mud slinging again at each other! One-Winged Hawk 22:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

"Grabs Angel's hand before it touchs his cheek" I'm not the only one reverting this

Joekido 00:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Obviously as Angel already said it is relevant. It is giving an example of a powerful non D. Which is what that section is talking about. Drunk Samurai 01:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

After the page is unprotected, I'm going to revert it again

Joekido 06:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Which shows you honestly never think. It is an example of a non powerful D so it was removed for no reason. Drunk Samurai 08:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Knock it off you two! Look, if the subject cannot be resolved then between you find another way to avoid it. In other words, find the "middle" ground. Edit wars give me a headache! I wanted to update the page on something, forgot and now I kinda can't remember today when I remember I had to edit this page what it was I was going to edit. One-Winged Hawk 20:02, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Kuma's intentions
Should we add that myth about Kuma's intentions when he appeared on the Sabaody Shoto and "saved" the Mugiwaras to make them stronger ? This is almost a year old by now, and Oda still didn't come up with an explanation - and we may not forget, that they will become stronger the longer they head on their way to "that treasure". -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 11:29, September 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * It would fall under "speculations" but I see why not. Its THAT common. One-Winged Hawk 19:19, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

I think I should do that right now

Joekido 06:43, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * The explanation, that is given right now mixes up two things: Kuma's intention (the OP-world reason) to send them to different locations and Odas' plan (his real-worl intention to add this plot device). We should correct this. El Chupacabra 12:02, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I have felt that we should explain why Oda seperated the Straw Hat Pirates in order to make a Luffy-centeric plot.

Joekido 12:09, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, we can't place any valid reason due to the fact we don't know the true reason behind Kuma's actions. We can say that he did it to save the Straw Hats from the Marines but that's kinda of a speculation. Best to not add the myth in a mythbuster page since we can't properly bust the myth. Part of the charm of mythbusters are the facts that would prove a myth wrong or right. Explaining it with a speculation only makes it less reliable.


 * As for Oda personally separating the crew, we can't speculate why he chose such a direction. We could write it down if Oda states it, however without confirmation, saying that he did so to make a Luffy-centric plot is kinda speculative.Mugiwara Franky 12:55, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Names & Surnames
Sorry to bother, but there is no info on this subject anywhere, so figured that you (The Wiki) might know...

The question is in what order are given the names of characters?

Originally it was given in japanese order (surname-name e.g. Roronoa Zoro), but lately the characters have names that would be considered in western order (e.g. Edward Newgate). So could you verify this, please?

Comedy 12:11, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a mix of both going on at the moment. One-Winged Hawk 12:26, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

So... It can't be defined by some in universe logic or something?

--Comedy 12:30, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Zoro and Luffy are examples of it being the Japanese way... Nico Robin... Can't think right now of it being the Western way at all. One-Winged Hawk

Fake spoiler confirmed
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1686466&postcount=8

I'm off to bed for the night, early rest since I've done a lot of shifting of stuff today in my bedroom. If someone doesn't add this to the list, I'll add it tomorrow. I've backed up the details if this gets removed. It was on MH and AP. One-Winged Hawk 19:41, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Kizaru & Sentomaru
Shouldn't the "Kizaru is Sentoumaru's uncle." myth be put under speculation until confirmed to be false? While the term Sentomaru used can just be akin to a yakuza addressing his superior, that doesn't prove it is something along those lines. It's technically still possible that they're actually family. 75.76.213.106 04:18, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

"Akainu's Many Powers" Taken down
I recently made an article about the speculation of Akainu's ability which was promptly deleted. And I was wondering what were the reasons behind the deletion? Granted the speculation dealt with what many thought his Devil Fruit would be, which is utterly obsolete by now. If for nothing else than for history's sake that something should be mentioned about the speculation. Especially since there is a link from the Akainu trivia section to the mythbusters page and nothing mentioned on what powers were speculated. I understand that the purpose of the mythbusters page is to debunk widely spread misconceptions about One Piece, I would still like my article restored if for no other reason than the information it provides for the fans. --84.250.46.128 22:31, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't take it down but the "blood" one was mentioned quite a bit at one stage so I'll vouch for that being on here. One-Winged Hawk 23:41, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I it was one Drunk Samurai who took it down. The zoan myth I think was just one guy, but the plant one was pretty popular at one point. And the blood thing was tied to some fake spoilers which stated that Akainu killed half the marines just by using his ability. Speaking of fake spoilers, chapter 566 had quite a few.--84.250.46.128 21:54, December 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * If its just one guy, then its not popular, the blood I saw in several incarnations so I KNOW that one existed. The plant one is new to me. One-Winged Hawk 00:16, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

If you want, I can look into it and try to find the pages that had the powers speculations.--84.250.46.128 07:15, December 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Now, I've googled all three speculated powers and they all appeared on different pages. I don't know if they were "popular", but there were more then one fan arguing for them, as you can see on these pages. The section should be restored. El Chupacabra 15:17, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to thank you for finding the links! Because I was not looking forward to scouring the forum boards for info. And I see that my entry is restored, which is nice even if it does not address the other theories. It's weird seeing the thing i wrote a week ago because I don't fully recoginse it as my own. Granted somethings are changed but the otherwise it is something I wrote.--84.250.46.128 19:43, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * I know the feeling of not being able to reconnise one's own writing, since I wrote most of our guideline pages and I have to check the "history" page to double check sometimes I wrote things. I get the same feeling now with the giants page as well. I also know the other feeling of search fear when it comes to Strong World. God, searching Arlong Park Forums for EVERY detail = Do not want! The blood I think also cropped up on KF-Fansubs, but I haven't been there in a LONG time... Like... 6 months. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 22:45, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Only the blood one should be restored. Drunk Samurai 17:31, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Why only the blood? Look at the links I've provided, all three powers were topics of discussion, as well as Lava/Rock and even Lasers and Radiation were named as his possible powers. Blood seems to have been more popular then the other powers, but we should mention them as well, in order to provide full information. El Chupacabra 15:30, December 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seconded to save arguments. So long as theres proof of discussion, this time lets let this one slip. Though make it a general bit about what people speculated about his powers and don't pick off one each individually, as seperate their not strong. As a groupie, the speculated powers are strong though. One-Winged Hawk 16:10, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Only blood was heavily speculated so I'm removing them again. 2 people saying plant or red dog is not enough. Drunk Samurai 17:12, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Note about the time related Myth
Okay someone a few days ago alerted me to the poss. that Luffy may be about to age (if its true or not is beyond me). On the page, there is a myth related not to even a year passing by and all. I just want to note that even if Luffy DOES age even a little the note must remain because. The reason being, is that its about the time being greater then it is now, so even if Oda was to skip 5 years into the future, nothing changes as it still applied to the storyline NOW. So don't remove it at all, it just needs to be tweaked a little as a reaction to Luffy aging. One-Winged Hawk 10:34, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

FAQ
I don't know... Do we really need a FAQ at all? If there were questions to be made our forums would cover them... And my crib with still Joekido wrote them. How can we truly determine FAQ? I thin the mythbusters page in general can cover those questions even if we have to write "Its unknown why this is". One-Winged Hawk 17:06, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Progression of Time
In the Progression of Time section, the ninth point used to determine how long the Straw Hat Pirates have been traveling states, "They met Ace within ten days of him visiting Drum Island because he had left Drum Island only a week before hand[11] and he was still in Arabasta when they arrived. He was only going to wait ten days for Luffy". There are two problems with this. First of all, it is inaccurate. All that Ace said was that he would be in Arabasta for ten days. Since we have no idea how long it took him to get to Arabasta, we can say that the Straw Hats met him within ten days of him arriving at Arabasta, or within ten days plus the amount of time that he was traveling from Drum Island to Arabasta, but not that they met him within ten days of him visiting Drum Island. Secondly, due to this error, the amount of time that it took the Straw Hats to travel from Drum Island to Arabasta, and therefore is not at all relevant to the section. I propose that this point be removed from the Progression of Time Section. --Dragon99rider 21:34, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Whitebeard and shanks's haki
i think we also need to include the fact that most of scans missed the fact that Whitebeard and Shanks also have King's Haki. Its causing lot of confusion 116.71.189.55 04:29, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ace Fake
I've got the picture, I'm waiting a chapter release but looks like something else is going on the page. One-Winged Hawk 14:14, February 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's this fake info about again if I mind asking? Is it a fake spoiler or fake pic?Mugiwara Franky 15:58, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Are we talking about the confirmed fake picture of Ace as the cover story of chapter 575, in bandages, petting a tiger? Cause it's been confirmed fake. And it was mighty early to try to scheme something like that, might I add. lols The art style wasn't even like Oda's. Sephirona 16:44, February 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Put it in. It's related to the Ace's Fate myth I've added. El Chupacabra 14:26, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Heres the image, but I now don't know where its going. It should be in "fake" spoilers, but El wants it elsewhere. Except what El wrote got removed and noted I do that its not the right place anyway for this. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 14:31, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * The mythbuster section that El wrote was somewhat dodgey if not speculative. While the chapter and content point to a truth, it however is a bit dodgey especially with this line alongside it.


 * "All characters temporally believed to be dead, like Ussop or Pell, were soon revealed to be alive and safe."


 * With a line like that it kinda makes the mythbuster fact seem almost speculative. It almost contradicts this next line.


 * "However, both the name and the content of the chapter have been confirmed. Ace seems to be definitely dead."


 * While the two lines are not necessarily written in a way that totally contradicts the fact, one however can use one of the two lines to argue against the other since both are truths.


 * As for the pic, it can go to the fake spoiler section. Mugiwara Franky 14:50, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

I find it odd that El mentioned Usopp instead of Pagaya in thinking that he was thought to be dead. Usopp never thought to be dead. He must've meant Pagaya.

Joekido 14:57, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ussop was thought to be dead when Nami stabbed him in the Arlong arc. I added just two examples and didn't mention Pagaya and the warriors in Skypia because I thought it would otherwise be too long. However, I think you should improve that section and not remove it. El Chupacabra 15:01, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Zoro as First Mate?
Random passerbyer here. I'm posting here to point out that in chapter 499 (page 17 on OneManga's version), Urouge makes mention of Zoro as only being the first mate, despite the 120 berri bounty on his head. Now on one side it isn't an official title given to Zoro during his time in the Strawhat Crew, however from the perspective of an outside party, he is the first mate. Regardless, it is being announced in the story line. My question is, is Zoro referred as the first mate in the original text of this chapter, or was "first mate" substituting something that was there before? 173.206.65.169 23:59, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * It was only a mistranslation, he wasn't really referred to as First Mate but as "second-in-command". You shouldn't trust what you read in One Manga in terms of translation accuracy... MasterDeva 00:28, March 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * No he wasn't referred as that. Scanalations DID produce that result, but it wasn't there in the RAW. There is a link around somewhere to Stephen's translation, which also referenced the same chapter but never mentioned "first mate" at all. One manga takes the first translation given to it, hence Whitebeard and Shanks had edit wars here over the king Haki list since for some reason one manga's sacanlation upload was a version without that line included. One-Winged Hawk 00:30, March 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since I know we once brought this up elsewhere on the wikia, I'll add it since I'll acknowledge this translation error at one manga. 499 is so long ago now I forget how this mistranlation happened. One-Winged Hawk 00:38, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Note
If I read correctly chapter 576, it is said that with the death of Ace, Roger's bloodline has finished. It is also said that the "Gold D. Roger" spelling is uncorrect.


 * "Gold Roger" spelling is incorrect. Small correction.


 * Also "Roger's Bloodline" it states, but NOT "Roger's Family". One-Winged Hawk 21:49, March 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * When you say "a person's bloodline" you are saying all their ancestors up until that person, ignoring any cousins and so forth there may be. If you say "a person's family" then it means they have no other known family relatives.One-Winged Hawk 09:00, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Fake Spoiler
Do we need to have Every fake spoiler here, honnestly the last ones (after AP April fool) are not really worth mentionning. It is impossible to have a complete list so why bother with minor ones. Kdom 20:55, March 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I include only the ones that the guys at AP forums slip up on, as their about the most experienced wso when they slip up, its deemed as worth noting since they were the best of the anti-fake preventers. And when they slip up, a lot of fans get misinformed. From our past experiences, its their slip ups that have caused our anti-spoiler rules and most of the fake input problems. If it appears anywhere else I don't tend to add them since they are not as expertised as controling the flow of fakes as they are. One-Winged Hawk 21:06, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

I remember that slip up, when someone fall for one fake spoiler where Garp offers Luffy a Shichibukai seat and put the information in the Shichibukai page, we got rid of it after the spoiler was proven to br fake. It happened again recently with the Squardo page where someone fall for the fake spoiler that Squardo was a Government spy.

Joekido 21:35, March 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh Gee Gaz! That period over X-mas was HAUNTED by fakes of the likes we've never seen since thankfully, it was a nightmare! :-O One-Winged Hawk 22:36, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Well maybe we can remove the ones with links to Mangahelpers then. Kdom 22:47, March 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: AP forums delete their fake posts these days often when their reglaur spoiler posters mess up to avoid confusion. I can't link to them if their not there anymore. If I can't link to THEM I've got to find the SAME info elsewhere. Thats why mangahelpers got linked to. Its when Mangahelpers has its own fakes put up I don't bother with since the people posting can more or less be anyone who thinks they have spotted the 'offical' spoiler. Their not as reliable so more liekly to make common mistakes that won't fool the guys at AP forums. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 22:53, March 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, before I forget, one of the reasons there has been a flow of fakes through AP forums recently is due to how the current crop of spoilers is done. The original spoiler providers is gone, and replacing them is a provider with a mobile phone text as a source of information. We get earlier spoilers, but for a period it came at a price since there was confusions on whether or not it was the providers mobile phone or not when the pics of it went up. Anyone with the same style of phone could provide 'fake' spoilers. The provider has resolved this issue since. So the stream of fakes since '65+ is spurned from that change to the spoiler routine and it strained the guys at AP forums since 1) its a new provider they have to get used to and 2) they really couldn't tell if it was his phone or not. One-Winged Hawk 09:01, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Kizaru and Sentoumaru
I reworded the entry to say we have no evidence to say they are related. Knowing Oda we shouldn't diss any posibility. Normaly it wouldn't deserve noting but since it has it's own section we should say we have no evidence for or against, I believe. --New Babylon 19:12, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I see no problems with that. One-Winged Hawk 19:13, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I see that poor 75.76.213.106 said the same thing in December . It's sad when people ignore you when you're an IP :P --New Babylon 19:19, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * It happens, all you need is a "Big Mom" case where everyone focuses on one page or the case of a whole lot of edits andand tho and behold, its got lost. One-Winged Hawk 19:28, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Properly need category:tabpage or something as well. One-Winged Hawk 16:38, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Part of me wonders...
If this should become something like a forum. The page has gotten a lot bigger then it was intended, but I don't want to loose this talk page. Tip knows more about the forum restrants. Thoughts on the matter? One-Winged Hawk 08:20, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Why not split the page by its sections? Such as "Mistranslations and Misunderstandings", "Speculations", "Rumors", "Translator Jokes and Fake Spoilers", and "FAQ". Each of them gets their own page, rather than jamming them up into one big page. Similar thing can be done for Animal Species, since we're on the topic of too-big page.Yatanogarasu 08:51, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * If this is the course of action we take with the Mythbusters page, the main page should definitely function as an index simply to inform what is to be found on the respective subpages.--Uncanny Ultrabeast 09:07, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I normally avoid this sort of thing, but we may have to go down that path, with this page acting as a main directory. Its been suggested before, but was avoided due to problems. I'm thinking it may end up as a forum with the different sections have their own discussion topic at the moment. I'll wait for others to voice an opinion, but the slow loading times... Its time to do something about this page. Its usefulness far outways downright dumping it, but it needs attention whatever the weather. One-Winged Hawk 08:57, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Why not just make a forum?

Genocyber 09:09, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well we've got two ideas at the moment:


 * Forum it
 * Split + directory it


 * I'll wait for more replies and see how people feel. One-Winged Hawk 09:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hm... pretty tough page you've got there. :)
 * I think it's about time to get rid of some very old myths of this page... Many misunterstandings or mistranslations could be explained more efficiently by using Redirects and a short description in those main articles, IMO. Like "Großes Messer"/"Grosses Messer" should redirect to Kokutou Yoru. Whether or not it should be treated in the Trivia section or not should be left open in this discussion for now, IMHO. Speculations are something, I wouldn't even mention since most of them are mediocre fanfics - only if they are caused by translation errors or based on misunderstandings between cultures.
 * The rest of it -> forum until further notice ;) -- -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/intern/de/images/thumb/a/a4/C2.png/15px-C2.png · 12:33, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer to save even the redundant ones... There is always someone who isn't so sharp. Hehee... You think the simplest of all, the bounties one would retire and die, but they keep coming back no matter how many times we kill them! :-P One-Winged Hawk 12:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

If it goes to forum, I'll properly have the titles as this set up; (Fake Spoiler)BB Vs the World. I'm not sure. Ah, just spent all morning gardening and breaking my back. Thinking too hard is giving me dizzy spells, should have written down earlier... Lol. One-Winged Hawk 13:10, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I sugest spliting this page up. I remember that the wikipedia list of One Piece characters, whic is atrocious and long , when I said we could use the sources we have to provide two or more articles so it would not be overly long , I got told we need "scientific research papers" on OP to allow that. Well not quite but that was one of the things got quoted at me. I hope people here will be a little more.....easy to comunicate with on the matter of spliting :P --New Babylon 18:11, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see how a forum would improve things. A forum is made for debate there is no much to debate for things which happened years ago and only the creator of the wiki remember. What this page lack is a hierarchy between what is important and what is not. A myth which lasted 2 days because of a fake spoiler is not as important as some mistranslation which are still making some misleading (such as the pirate summit or the king haki of Whitebeard). Kdom 18:13, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * The only thing about that is, some things are stronger then others, some things will indefinately come back to haunt us when least expected and some folks do like reading this page to see the random junk that crops up in the fandom from time to time. We're pretty much the only ones bothering to record this information, since every other site else doesn't want it, though as a archieve or collective, the article is far beyond what those annoyances were at the time of release.  And it does sort of serve a purpose of filling in the voids where people have or continue to make mistakes.  One-Winged Hawk 18:33, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think that this page is "too big". It's on the third place, far behind Episode Guide and Monkey D. Luffy whili Sanji and Roronoa Zoro are just a bit shorter. I think that the all of the content should remain here. The old myths have some kind of historical value, besides there might be users who just started reading One Piece and are not aware of stuff that was discussed years ago. However I think that in order to avoid the necessity of scrolling down the entire page we could hide the myths like in the Trivia Guidelines or the Episode Guide. The contents tab would become small and handy. The users would then read only the myths the care about. Please add this proposal to the possibilites. El Chupacabra 16:47, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is also that possiblity, though I may go for the episode guide (which only got put in place after this discussion started ironically). One-Winged Hawk 17:09, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Working on it today... As soon as a nosebleed stops (no dirty remarks please lol). One-Winged Hawk 10:14, April 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * We should have had a new page set up by now... But no... My home routa died this afternoon loosing my data. Hold on folks, this will take me an hour to rewrite, but its writing.  I know what I did so its just a case of typing it out again. One-Winged Hawk 19:40, April 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * It works! :-D


 * Okay, I'll set the rest up in a while, just doing some things first, may take a while, I'm experimenting off site with something. One-Winged Hawk 20:06, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Done, couldn't get the other thing done I wanted... Never mind. The page is complete though for now! :-D One-Winged Hawk 21:11, April 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * So you want to keep this as the ultimate design? If yes we need to create a category:Mythbusters, otherwise they would appear as uncategorized. El Chupacabra 15:21, April 24, 2010 (UTC)