Talk:Trafalgar Lami

Is it likely the possible D. in her name saved in her in the fire?

Yes, it is entirely possible. But nothing is confirmed yet. There's a small debate about it in the archive. 02:56, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

I was just thinking, D might be speculative, but why would Trafalgar be too? They're family, and it's far more speculative to argue that she might be adopted, so at the very least we could move it to Trafalgar Lami. 19:58, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Well, they could be adoptive siblings, as with Luffy and Ace. After all, Law's hair is black, Lami's is brown. 01:41, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Do you really want to argue that? Viola's hair is black (like her father's) and Scarlett's is red. Is Scarlett, the at the time heir to the Dressrosa throne, adopted? 03:58, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Oda is not consistent with genes folks, so it's not really important because this is a fantasy manga, not a science textbook

Joekido (talk) 04:03, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

On a more important note, why aren't her infobox images showing up? I know I moved them correctly. 04:05, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, never mind hair color. If we do this, then we'd have to do Riku Viola and Riku Scarlett. If no reliable source says so, then we don't go for it. After all, why do you think we don't add the kanji/romaji for Nui Nui no Mi? 04:33, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Trafalgar Again
Can we not move pages without discussion please? We already had a discussion about this issue before and the majority decision was to keep it as just "Lami". We an issue is decided via discussion, it's very important to make changes to that issue with additional discussion.

We do not have a confirmation of anyone else in the family using the Trafalgar name besides Law himself. If we knew of at least one other person, I would say it's safe, but for now I do not believe there is enough evidence for us to assume we know Law's family's naming conventions. 15:08, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Who moved it? Just move it back until they bother to raise a discussion. Then it can be discussed again, and inevitably left to die.

15:11, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

I totally agree, otherwise we'd be saying "Riku Viola" and "Riku Scarlett". 15:20, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I agree with DP. She is his sister, so she must have his family name. Oda won't give us everything. We have brains, we can think common stuff like this. Don't turn this into a monet is alive. 15:28, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Agrees with Staw and DP on Trafalgar Lami. 15:39, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

I don't really see how keeping it this way inhibits progress, as Lami only appeared in one chapter and will likely never be seen again. If Law's family is ever mentioned as the "Trafalgar Family" then I'd support moving like we did with Rocinante, although it's not really important right now at all. 15:51, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed with JSD and Kaido, keep it as Lami for now. Feels a bit unprofessional to rename it, especially with that whole D. thing still in limbo. 15:56, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Just keep it as Lami. 16:34, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'd vote to give her the Trafalgar name. I think it's pretty safe to infer that they're biological siblings, and so far every biological family member has had the same surname. 20:37, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Just keep it Lami. We'll get confirmation in a databook. 20:44, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Keep as Lami 21:42, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Lami 4 lyfe - unless "Torafaruga Rami" appears in some chapter or databook in the future.--Xilinoc (talk) 03:41, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Ugh, I'll say make it Trafalgar Lami but my words on this matter fall on deaf ears

Joekido (talk) 04:13, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Do the Donquixotes have no relevance here? We know that siblings share last names because of DONQUIXOTE Doflamingo and DONQUIXOTE Rosinante. They're brothers, remember? Any further denial is nothing but stubbornness. What more could you possibly want? Am I seriously the only one who caught that? The D we can leave out, but we know for a fact she's Trafalgar Lamy now, because, surprise, FAMILIAL SIBLINGS SHARE THE SAME LAST NAME. We now have four examples of families exhibiting the apparently strange phenomenon of sharing a last name. We got the Monkeys, the Nicos, the Donquixotes, the Nefertaris, and even the whole Portgas/Gol thing Ace did if you want to get technical. So why are we arguing over something that should've been obvious from the beginning? Are people still afraid of getting burned because it turned out that Ace and Luffy weren't blood brothers? What further proof do you want? 06:14, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

I want proof that literally anyone in Law's family shares the Trafalgar name. 15:50, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Since their mother was never actually named, as far as I know, I guess there's no "evidence" of Trafalgar being a surname. But since they still pretty much treat "Trafalgar" like they do "Monkey", by treating it as a surname, that probably means that it is. 16:34, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

If you want that, then we may as well call the validity of Marshall and Jaguar into question. Emporio too while we're at it. Law broke his name down. Water is the true whatever, D is secret, and didn't mention Trafalgar because it's public freaking knowledge. Why would his parents give him a different last name than the rest of them? Think about what you're saying and you'll realize how nonsensical it sounds. We know Trafalgar is his last name, and we know kids take on the last names of their parents. You're suggesting we actually make Trafalgar an epithet like we do with "Surgeon of Death", because if there's no proof for the rest of the family, how do we know Law's telling the truth? You're indirectly calling indisputable factual evidence into question. Do you see the dark path your logic is heading down? Why would we doubt that Trafalgar is his last name? If you can't think of an answer for that, then move Lami. 05:30, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

I used to think Monkey was Ace's birth surname, turns out we were WAY wrong: it was Gol. And non-canon though it may be, Panz Fry (father) and Lily Enstomach (daughter) differ in their names — designed by Oda, this still serves as my way of expressing how we should not use assumptions to name our pages. If we can assume the possibility of Lami's surname is Trafalgar based on her brother's, then by the same logic, we can assume she was adopted and has a different surname (if not none at all). We don't have enough evidence on either side, so I say leave it as it is until/unless we get something more concrete. 05:45, October 29, 2015 (UTC)