Talk:Freedom Fighters

Members
Should we count Kuma and Ginny as members? Based on the Viz translation, the group essentially became the Revolutionary Army the moment they recruited Kuma.

"and with the addition of Kuma to the twin pillars of Dragon and Ivankov... they underwent a transformation.. and became the Revolutionary Army the world would later know and fear!!!"

16:16, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I believe we should only count them as members of the Revolutionary Army. I do agree it sounds like the group became officially the Revolutionary Army as they joined. Damage3245 (talk) 16:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Honestly you got a point with that line. That would make the most sense. ethan2awesome (talk) 13:21, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Is this page necessary?
Can you tell me why two different pages were created about the Freedom Fighters and the Revolutionary Army, if in fact it was revealed to us that they are the same but only the name was changed? This case is very similar to Isshi-100 and the Gomu Gomu no mi fruit, which used to have different names but they changed their names and all that, but they are actually still the same for each one. That is completely illogical, they are not two different things, they are the same. Where when reviewing the same page of the Revolutionary Army, in its introduction it says that this is how they were "originally" known, so they simply transformed.

I agree. This seems like something that can be folded into the Revolutionary Army page. They called themselves the Freedom Fighters, and the same members eventually started doing the big stuff and that's when they called themselves the Revolutionary Army. 01:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

They are two related but different groups. The better parallel would be Buggy Pirates to Buggy's Delivery. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

The fact they have different flags probably makes it worth it to keep them separate too. KingCannon (talk) 16:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Not to mention, it makes the information that Kuma is one of the three major founders of the Revolutionaries less confusing, since he obviously never had any participation in the Freedom Fighter's establishment. The way it is now prevents having to explain this contradiction. KingCannon (talk) 16:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

You can think of it as the difference between the League of Nations and the United Nations, while they both had the same purpose, LoN (Freedom Fighters) tried to do things purely diplomatically, had basically no offensive force and was forgotten to the more aggressive and militaristic U.N. (Revolutionary Army). In the end LoN was dissolved and reformed with more members into U.N. Actually, now that I typed it down, should we include that in trivia? (Shadoguardian (talk) 08:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC))

No, that's just a random analogy.KingCannon (talk) 13:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

The image of the Organization Box
Question, while you can accept that the two are different organizations, why should that ship be the image of the Organization Box? I have seen the manga and according to the order, it is not said that this ship belonged to the Freedom Fighters, because it had already been shown before that the revolutionary army had already been created at that time, so the ship belongs to the revolutionary army. And if it's just for the flag, I don't see the point if it's just for that, an example would be the Fire Tank Pirates, who have had like three symbols; or also include the Whitebeard Pirates, Red Hair Pirates or the Kid Pirates, who have a second symbol apart from the one mainly shown.