Talk:Bartholomew Kuma

Dead Characters?
Shouldn't he be placed under the category Dead Characters? His body is still moving, but he's a robot now, he is no longer alive.

I really don't want to get into a debate on what it means to be alive. The way I see it, he still has a pulse, so he ain't dead yet. 17:26, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

How do you even know he has a pulse? He's like 90% robot, they could easily have removed his heart. The fact that he doesn't have a mind of his own basically means he is brain-dead, which is the same as dead.

He's still walking and active in the world, people still identify him as Kuma, and he's not a zombie. That's good enough for me to consider him totally alive. 17:44, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. For all we know he was just labotomized. If he's walking around and not a zombie, that's enough to call him alive. 17:51, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

I believe until 'his body is alive' we should not consider him dead. 19:00, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

He has been called 'dead' by several characters, even he himself said they wont be seeing each other anymore, and just because he's walking doesn't make him alive since he's a robot.

They meant dead in a figurative sense, since his old personality was no more. If you go by that, then half the straw hats were dead for a few chapters when Law switched their bodies. 19:09, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

We will consider him dead when his body gets destroyed. 19:13, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Kuma is mostly dead, but that doesn't mean he's all dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. 16:56, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox
If Vergo's infobox is using Donquixote Pirate colors instead of Marine colors then why isn't this page using Revolutionary Army colors? Donquixote and Revolutionary are their real loyalties, while Marines/Shichibukai are just fronts. So why the real affliation for Vergo but the fake one for Kuma? 96.253.11.153 15:53, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * P.S. Thanks for reverting an obviously non-malicious edit without explainig why. Editors like you are why people just make fun of the errors on this wiki instead of trying to fix them.

He doesn't have his personality any more (he attacked Ivankov during the war), so with the information we have at the moment Shichbukai colours are most appropriate. Vergo actually attacked Marines, did Doflamingo's work for him, covered up the incidents at sea etc, whereas the don't have any evidence of Kuma doing Revolutionary stuff since his "death". 16:06, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Which Brother?
This is something that hit me as I watched the English Dub of Thriller Bark—do we really know that Kuma didn't know about Sabo? This article later brings up that he made no reaction to the reveal of Ace's relation back at Marineford, but at the time he had finally lost his personality. So would it be reasonable to link both as a subtle forshadowing? Either way I'm more happy for finding it, but it'd make sense to put it up. 137.150.222.154 00:32, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Kuma may have not cared. I don't even know if we should do that

Joekido (talk) 00:37, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Eh, no biggie; 'Twas only a suggestion within my own realization. Considering the spoilerific nature, I'd almost say just having the dubious nature of his comment being noted in Trivia versus in his specific comment. He is there when Sabo is picked up, I see no reason why he wouldn't know about either of them.

The only way it'd get confirmed would be if someone asked Oda via SBS, or if Nami puts the pieces together once she hears about Sabo. *shrug* More importantly, thanks for the speedy response!

However, upon considering the information again, it would seem that realistically which brother is a matter of speculation—thus, Ace shouldn't be referenced either. The link was placed at a time when we didn't know there was more than one, and the referencial point of Kuma "not reacting" to Sengoku's announcements were prior to Doflamingo's explanation that Kuma was effectively "dead". I can link later (I've already found 2 out of the 3 mentions of brother and their edit timing), but I'm about to head out of my house. 137.150.222.154 16:45, April 25, 2015 (UTC)