Talk:Myskina Olga

"Children" Category
Should Olga be in the Children category like Sugar is? Because Olga's situation is similar where her childhood is prolonged despite her age.Gamewizard2008 (talk) 17:02, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

I personally think neither Olga nor Sugar should be in that category. It certainly depends on how you define "children", but it's children not lolita. Children should be defined by age not appearance.

I think they both belong. They are trapped in unaging, underdeveloped bodies. Sugar is biologically 12 and her lack of development makes her biologically a child. Maturity and lifespan don't factor in. 18:33, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

I would leave them out of the category. Other fictional works exclude such cases of slowed aging or immortality. This is exactly that. 20:14, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

"Sugar is biologically 12 and her lack of development makes her biologically a child." - actually it's the other way around. It doesn't matter if they will be eternal young, they are not children. For example, if they were in the real world, at 18 years they would still become adult, that's because it's how generally define an adult: past a certain age you are one. You don't define an adult based on "how your body is developed", that's because everybody age differently. You define an adult based on the age.

Well, a child is either someone acting immaturely, or someone under legal age. Seems a simple decision to me.

20:22, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

"someone acting immaturely" by that logic Luffy is a child (I don't think you meant to say this, but just wanted to stress my point).

Maturity can't be a factor. Luffy is no better example as to why. Hell, we've got a baby with a mustache, and a former Baroque Works agent with a higher maturity than her adult partner. Even if you argue that Luffy assumes the role of an adult, you have to answer to Perona, who acts like and is treated like a child despite being older than even Zoro or Sanji.

Years can't be a factor. Let's pretend that 18 is the universally accepted age of adulthood. Luffy wasn't even an adult for the first 516 chapters. Chopper still isn't 18. In the One Piece world, giants have abnormally long lifespans. I think they live to be 300 or so. What's the age of sexual maturity? 18 years for them could be over 50 years to us.

So let's think backwards here. How do we define an adult and a child? Not a legal definition, like turning a certain age, but a more rooted definition that can be applied to a fantasy setting. An adult has reached a peak in his biology, the second and final phase in his evolution. A child is still in the growing phase. Luffy and Perona are both clearly in the adult phase. Olga and Sugar are perpetually in the childhood phase. 21:58, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

We should first define our category of "Children", whether it should be physical or chronicle of the age that determines their childhood. A child's body vs an adult-length life. 22:43, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

If you're going by that definition then dwarfs are also all children. SeaTerror (talk) 22:58, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

I vote for adding her to the category. Her body is like that of other One Piece children, she has a (slight) fondness for sweets like most children, her tendency of calling her dad "crappy" is childish, her smirk is like that of a mischievous child - either she goes in or Sugar gets taken out. :P Gamewizard2008 (talk) 02:02, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

As in physically 12 years old, not short in size, as even the eldest dwarves are small or the youngest giants are big. 02:48, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

How are dwarfs also children? Dwarfs presumably have a childhood phase and an adult phase in their biology. All the dwarfs we've seen were in the adult stage. 03:03, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

You're going by the definition of small size = child. Let's use an anime example. Konata from Lucky Star is 17. By your logic she's a child. SeaTerror (talk) 03:57, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Go by age. She's not a kid. Neither is Sugar. 07:20, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

A child is someone who has not hit puberty and Sugar and Olga have not. Maturity cannot be a factor because Luffy would be considered a child. I don't think Olga and Sugar should not be considered children because of their age because they couldn't grow Meshack (talk) 08:02, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

You seriously want to argue that a 22 year old and a 206 year old aren't children just because they haven't developed? That's why we go by age. 08:12, August 11, 2016 (UTC)