User talk:MasterDeva

Hello
Hello and welcome to One Piece Encyclopedia where everyone can edit. I notice that you love to correct spellings in any pages including the talk pages and notice you rarely add information. Why don't you tell us about yourself, let us know what you have in your mind. I hope you continue helping us in the future.

Joekido 23:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I always thought he was a bot. New Babylon 23:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Really nice bot! ^-^ One-Winged Hawk 01:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I sensed a disturbance in my talk page...thanks...I think? Cody2526 00:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Brittish Vs Amercian spelling
Forum:Index/Site Problems

Title explains itself. One-Winged Hawk 19:10, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Referencing Information
I must admit, as of late I got lazy since not many were doing it. It seems to be the thing people do the least here as it takes a long time to do. Someone has to sit down in every chapter and go through things. When I myself am at it, it takes me an hour or so to work on one chapter or two.

Referencing Information talks about the "how" if that helps. One-Winged Hawk 00:06, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Water 7 Template Merging
Please give your vote on whether or not we should merge all of the separate Water 7 templates. The Pope 16:58, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Voting
Forum: index/Site_Problems

Voting time to close issue of the editing of others' comments. One-Winged Hawk 17:54, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Actually
I'm suprised no one bothered moving the giants' pages... Why didn't they. We established on Dorry's page I'd got it wrong. I think they left me to alter it... And well... I just forgot. I actually have a very bad memory, I edit what I remember on this wikia when I remember things. Thats half the reason why I don't put too much into editing because that half the time I'm trying to remember what I was doing the other half of the time when I was editing. O_o' One-Winged Hawk 00:40, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't let it bother you too much Emfrbl, there are plenty of people in this wiki and some of them are bound to notice such things, it's not a big deal. Hardly any harm was caused, it's OK! ^_^ MasterDeva 00:46, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol, name discussions; can of worms - open. Always the case! One-Winged Hawk 10:53, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well... I forgot that in this wikia he have a "person" that seems to revert everything for the heck of it and cause trouble out of the most minute details. What can I possibly say...!? Immaturity and stupidity in their prime. "^_^ MasterDeva 11:01, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Another instance
On the sea train Zoro said "Yo Ruffy". That the first of the first Water 7 eps I heard and I remember it because I went "Huh?" at it. I can't remember episode though, it was a long time ago now. One-Winged Hawk 19:13, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Suck on that Drunk Samurai, yeah! ;P MasterDeva 20:14, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I'm not going to say that much, but I could pull up examples all day if I could remember every one of them. the Japanese are far from perfect on words. One-Winged Hawk 20:18, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Note on that IP
The person who is using the IP address that keeps undoing the canon story bit on the strong wind page is currently under my watchful eye. On the discussion page he is ignoring the plea for proper language. If he edits to remove it once more, he is entering an edit war. If he uses bad language on the discussion bad once more, I'm slamming him for it. Right now... He is asking to be banned.

He or she cannot accept that Strong Wind is canon, I'd pull up the sources, but theres a whole YEAR of forum discussions... And what not to go through. The IP address belongs to an idiot anyway. I don't want to break our guidelines on this guy, let him break them for us. I'm starting to think its another troll at large here. >_<' One-Winged Hawk 20:01, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Let them wrap the rope around their neck and then hang themselves. The exact same routine as always, this troll is no different than any other! MasterDeva 20:12, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your grammar check!!!Coldhandzz 13:55, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. ;) MasterDeva 17:51, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I lost track of things after the MSN site shut down. Plus I became reliant on onemanga.com. ^_^' One-Winged Hawk 23:06, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Reply
As soon as both the RAW and the SCRIPT come out its fine. There is an old "hour wait" in our spoiler rules, but its redundant these days since circumstances THEN are different now. In those days, no reliable translation would be out before the scan was, now its not the case. One-Winged Hawk 19:13, December 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * The hour rule on our Spoiler Rules isn't there so its long been removed already, I didn't notice that. So yeah, scan + raw = go for it so long as its correct and you don't make a pig's ear out of adding it lol. One-Winged Hawk 19:14, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

About Zoro's Major Battles
Umm, the section being a list that lists down his major battles is kinda enough. Putting quotation marks about which battle he had a handicap in is kinda a bit much like stating who won and who lost in each battle. Mugiwara Franky 20:21, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, for the record though they were already there, someone else had added them long ago. What I did was merely to question the need to remove them. I believe that the trivia should be at least updated to reflect the other battles not mentioned, that's just my opinion. MasterDeva 21:38, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think about the limit of what we can get away with is just noting when a fight was not a proper fight. I have no cribs with extra info though, but there is a difference between scoreboard counts and other bits going on, take note as well that we don't want to draw attention from the fact we have a HISTORY section on the page. Really, its a quick reference section only so the bare minimum info is the best. Kinda like listing the characters per chapter on the chapter pages.


 * The main reason for not "win/loss" was because it is just a list and it was fluff. Plus some fights couldn't be measured on their outcome, a fight that was interrupted for example is a pain to deal with on this win/loss system. Plus, while Crocodile fought Luffy several times, at a pinch two of those could be counted as one fight that was broken up. Either way, you should start seeing the whole thing with win/loss. And as I said, the HISTORY section covers the details of the fight anyway. One-Winged Hawk 21:52, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry my mistake, what I meant to say was to update the Zoro's trivia of handicapped battles since they will be removed from the major battles list. I wasn't talking about putting all the fights in the trivia section or anything like that! ;P MasterDeva 22:11, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I was talking to MF there, you got the leveling wrong MD. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 22:31, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that I was born, if I were to be reborn I wish to be an earthworm!!! -_- MasterDeva 22:47, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia Page Topic
Hello, We have a discussion with Angel about the Trivia Page here. Everyone opinion his worth to have Kdom 09:51, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

I made you laugh
Then its not so bad. You know whats bad. I've signed off the holidays and I can't stay off. I'm addicted to wiki editing, well I've kept myself from the serious edits at least and I'm only talking. I'm bad aren't I? lol.

I've spent wikia editing since 2004, I can't stop and I'll properly still edit here when OP is over even if its just to finish the blanks in the pages we've left.

I kinda wrote "OPFS!2" because I was driven by a lot of annoyed anger. I don't know why MF never told me off for it. At the time, the owner, or someone linked to the site at least, had come on and let us know which site he was from and directly wrote it on the site. I went there and my heart stopped... Not because what he said was true but because he claimed many thing that made me laugh that weren't true. I read through the site and left there scratching my head because at the time we had only only 4-6 reglaur editors who hardly edited. Most of our work just came off of wikipedia and we hadn't settled down yet to REALLY improve things. I can honestly say though, once I came to the wikia once I finished transferring the shattered wikipedia pages here, I washed my hands of copying any site. Not I did that even at wikipedia, my edits always came from the provided RAWS and scanalations anyway so I was never guilty of serious website copying.

These days:
 * Greg's site is these days considered the best OP site.
 * Arlong PArk is still considered the best forum.
 * K-F's still considered the best community
 * Stephen's translations are still considered "the best" even though he gave it up.

These are the general opinions I see in OP fandoms on the English speaking net. To see a website claiming to be no.1 when at the time it was AP forums and K-Fs only and no one else stood a look in, I knew was a joke at the time. Most folks were only just coming to realize Stephen even existed I recall otherwise the list would have the translation on it too. I originally joined AP despite the warnings at K-F fansubs of its harsh environment because I knew what thing. If I was writing it now, it'd be less anger driven. I wouldn't write articles like that now. I post messages of disgust and annoyance here but no longer out of anger.

If I drank beer and stuff like that, I'd blamed it on being ****ed out of my mind at the time, but I can't even claim that. Lol.

Still if someone like Greg complains about the wikia copying, I always maintain they've got to be able to prove it. There's only so many ways you can describe water held inside a glass.

The other stuff was "fluff" I admit to fill up an article on the matter. I got used to writing essays on things back at the Beyblade fansite and to be honest... A lot of my extra stuff here is fueled by my days missing that era. I'm the person who could write dozens upon dozens of essays about a crappy show on spinning tops. Get me in the mood, I'd write books on everything I like. Lol. ^_^' One-Winged Hawk 10:54, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nice! ;D Usually though those who claim to be the best are only talk and no substance, I have seen THOUSANDS of websites and HUNDREDTHS of forums to say that they are "official" or "the only source for something" only to suffer a slow death after a few months/years.

If they are truly the best they will let the USERS/VISITORS decide that and none other and if the community accepts them and they become a port of it they have passed the FIRST TEST but none can remain the best forever a lot seem to forget that.

I have also seen them forget how they started from zero and afterwards claim that they are above others for various reasons and criteria... There is a saying in my country, everything will be revealed in the autopsy which means that only after the end you can judge someone for their worth, having seen their entire progress, that's all I have to say about them! ^_^ MasterDeva 15:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * May I join the discussion (really, this automatic e-mail are very bad for privacy :-)). First, I'm glad you couldn't keep your promise, second you did not made laugh just Master Deva (I even once wanted to make a link to your article in a "is there room in the SH crew for another girl?" discussion...) Third, I'm not convinced by your classification. Greg's site may be great but he cannot compete with the wiki. Just by the number of editor and the wiki nature, this site has become the reference for those who search something about One Piece. About AP, I really wonder how we can go to such a forum. It's impossible to read the hundred of messages that are post there. And the way they treat you reinforce my opinion. The only point I would grant them is that they are well informed concerning other thing than chapter release like the SBS or the interview. So merry Christmas to both of you, I won't be able to edit much either since I'm going to a place where ADSL is still unknown :-). At least, it will make me feel the double issue gap a little shorter Kdom 21:44, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I am used to forums, so I can deal with AP. I've seen bigger and worst then all it has to offer. I've seen forums where I jumped in and was bounced back out as soon as I did just that. I've been on the net... Since 1996, though it wasn't until 1999 it became something serious. 2001 I joined my first real community but between 1999 and 200 I was a drifter between sites and forums.


 * Actually trying to look up the name of the Beyblade's main villian in seaons 1 and 3 today I found out theres a new series due next year which surprised me. But you know, in the 4 years of its absence the nets changed and theres nothing left of the Beyblade community now except old ghost stories. Theres like one big community and theri not like the ones I had back in the day (I sound so... so... Old???). The nets always changing, its a matter of just forcing yourself to accept those changes. The days of tiny quiet communities that survive well on just 8 people are gone, those died in the pre-2004 era. Now you're not considered successful unless you've got 50 members regularly passing through.


 * I think of the net with great sorrow these days, because things have moved on so much. Wikia are the main form of fansites these days, what used to be a one person job has been silently acknowledged as unreasonable. Dying websites are those run by just one person who never updates while the successful ones either are like the ones constantly feeding their communities like AP, K-Fs and us. But there are still those small websites out there like Greg's who exist and pull it off because their supplying those bigger ones with something solid. But unless their like Greg's, to be quite frank their not gonna last long.


 * I blame youtube, myspace, facebook and twitter for this change thats gone on since about 2004 since thats when those sites were just kicking off. This is the way of the nets future I'm afraid to admit. But thats how things are these days. I've been forced to accept that and thats how I deal with AP. The GOOD thing about us though is most who are editing will have leant something about wiki coding pre editing, and those that don't can still fill basic needs. And so long as you edit reglaurly a wikia will leave many of its editors feeling good about themselves since its a community effort and everyone plays some part in putting it together. Theres no need to struggle because you can't do it, there will always be another who can take over from you and help things along if its too much for you. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 01:18, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'm lazy
All I did was post "Merry Christmas" on the chit chat forum and add it to our main page. :-P One-Winged Hawk 00:51, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas MasterDeva (who is the lazy now?) and Happy New Year. Oh and happy editing. Tipota 12:35, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Kashii
The problem with that is that the other editors might not know how to get that name out in writing. Even when we knew Oars' name and what it was based on, before the spelling came out, how do you do Oor with the correct characters normally? Its an awkward way of working it for the lesser experienced editors, some may not even understand who the word is referring to. One-Winged Hawk 20:36, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * The thing is that the way is shown right now looks kind of unprofessional that's why I suggested this change. In this case it's not same thing as Oars since the difference is in the double characters only while the name doesn't change much. In other words instead of Kaashii it's Kāshī. MasterDeva 20:44, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well call a vote on it and see how the others feel about it. To be honest after dealing with Greg, names are the least of my concerns and I view it as "if Oda don't supply us with the name, it doesn't matter so long as we agree on ONE name to avoid confusions." One-Winged Hawk 20:54, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed! ;) MasterDeva 21:30, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Umm, shouldn't you have called a discussion with the rest of community about moving Kashii before moving it.Mugiwara Franky 23:32, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * But Kāshī is indeed harder to write down than Kashii. It maybe the same name but it does require a proper discussion. It maybe in the gray but some people might actually care how it's written.Mugiwara Franky 00:01, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * While the Haki level is one thing, the spelling of the character is another thing. Though copy pasting is a solution to his spelling, it may not necessarily be the most preferred solution by most people. Besides that, a discussion on changing the name of a character also kinda informs other editors of the proposed decision. Changing ahead without a discussion in some to most cases can cause people to scratch their heads and at worst, can cause arguments.Mugiwara Franky 02:27, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

White gaps
Its caused by Rich Text normally. Why Rich Text does it I don't know, something about its formatting is annoying. One-Winged Hawk 00:16, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * I know, it doesn't do any harm though to put a little warning. It seems that it has worked on other pages. Thanks for the update. MasterDeva 00:19, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * Couldn't remember if I'd told you or not.One-Winged Hawk 00:28, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * You didn't actually. I found it on one of the pages I "never read", according to Drunk Samurai, while I was doing error correction. ;D MasterDeva 00:32, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * I also raised it recently on the Site Problems page of the forum I think. Now even touching the Rich Text bit is causing it. I NEVER edit in rich text and all my recent edits have it. Its becoming annoying. One-Winged Hawk 00:37, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I read that. One question, is Rich Text turned on by default on unregistered accounts!? I don't remember having used it myself ever but that certainly seems to be the case. MasterDeva 00:41, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Other Sites
They can advertise on the main page links templates, but unless their a fansub/dub/translation/thiskindofthing/otherOPwikia they don't deserve a page. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 11:06, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for letting me know Emfrbl. I presume that my actions were correct since it was a fan made game, right~!?


 * Yeah, no need for that page at all. Fanmade games aren't part of the OP merchandise or anything like that. Its made by fans and they can do what they want with it. PS, you didn't sign you message, naughty, naughty MD. One-Winged Hawk 12:36, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well for ONCE I wanted to get WILD!!! ;P MasterDeva 12:38, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Usopp's lies (Usopp's arsenal)
Since you have edited this page considerably (or at least lately). I was wondering if you know, cause I don´t remember very well; about the giant Usopp´s crew: Were Mr. 2 and / or Buggy also affected by this lie? ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 02:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * At this moment I can only remember Jango (not Buggy OR Mr. 2) falling for this at the manga (Vol. 4 Chapter 29) and the anime (Episode 12)! There are others he certainly used this to (like Arlong for instance) but it doesn't coming to me now, I'll search later for it. I hope I have somewhat helped you answering your question. MasterDeva 02:41, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I found Chopper too, in the manga (Vol. 35 Chapter 332) and the anime (Episode 236) and that's pretty much it about those who were affected, not counting fillers and movies of course. Luffy was only affected by this lie only in the anime, as far as I know, but I can't be 100% certain about it. MasterDeva 03:33, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Bans
Their meant for IP address who came on and either constantly vandalized over time, seriously vandalized or ignore vandalism warnings. Basically, thats suppose to be be "We've got to get this IP blocked quick" part of the page,. Otherwise, that IP has to be warned 3 times. Most vandals just go away so theres no need for a speed ban on them. Its the ones that hang around and do the damage that annoys that are the problem that needs to be ASAP. One-Winged Hawk 18:48, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up Emfrbl. So if they persist to vandalize the wiki even though hey had three warnings already they are candidates for speedy ban. MasterDeva 18:56, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Can I go ahead and remove the entry from the list!? MasterDeva 18:58, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh don't worry, they vandalised three time, throw 3 warnings on them to C and D. If they do it once more, then its fine, their already up for banment. Its just some 13 year old brat anyway by the looks of it. One-Winged Hawk 19:01, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Article stub templates
In most wikias, article stub templates are usually placed before navigational templates.Mugiwara Franky 03:03, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * The site navigational heading seems most effective in articles that are very long as it helps people locate them. In stubs and very short pages, they don't seem much of a help.Mugiwara Franky 03:11, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * The stub tag being above the navigational templates is kinda the best positioning when it comes to stubs. Being placed under the navigational templates or in a section above the templates creates a somewhat discorderly effect when compared to other articles. Since it somewhat conflicts with the site navigational heading, best not place the heading on a stub.Mugiwara Franky 03:20, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Placing it under the template kinda makes it disorganized a bit to a certain point especially compared to the other articles that use the above template order.Mugiwara Franky 03:33, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * It kinda still breaks conventionality with how they were set up in the first place.Mugiwara Franky 03:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * But it kinda breaks the way articles are set up presented to anons and new comers. The Site Navigation heading on the other hand however breaks stub articles that use infoboxes a bit by creating somewhat of a more empty space look.Mugiwara Franky 03:57, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * The heading points readers to the navigational templates however it best serves in articles that are extremely long. In really short and stub articles, readers don't need a heading to identify where one can locate the navigational templates as they can easily find the templates in one go.Mugiwara Franky 09:23, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oh there was more
I missed the other straw hats. Its best to avoid the year thingy. To be honest its subject to change by a few years as Norland's journal was said to be "over" 200 years old or what not. Joekido at one point was also using years, nice except it is subject to change over the little issue of "over". One-Winged Hawk 09:05, January 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Those are my thoughts too. MasterDeva 09:07, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Poll on whether to lift DS's ban or not
Due to circumstances, there is a discussion as to whether to lift DS's ban or not.Mugiwara Franky 10:23, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Animation directors
Why you de-link directors? I think it better to redirect to Animation Directors page. I know the article is a stub and incomplete. Tipota 10:52, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's the reason. Until a proper and respected article is made about each director it would be wise to remove all those red links. Of course as soon as the articles are made the links will be put back (by me, since I was the one who removed them)! MasterDeva 11:55, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Can't
Its a case of I wrote something I can't understand after I wrote it what the heck I was trying to say in the first place. I do this from time to time, you should see me on dragon cave. I had arguments because I struggle with writing skills from time to time. All it takes is for me to write something like "fault" instead of "thought" and I've lost what I was trying to say. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 01:12, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * That and I'm mildly dyslexic.


 * Take care for a few weeks anyway, enjoy your break from us. ;-D One-Winged Hawk 10:52, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Arc Navbox
Simant has created a Template for Arc navigation Template:Arc_NavBox. The aim is to automatise the Category:Chapter navig Templates. I think we should replace the old ones by using this new one. Also (and that is the main subject of my post), if you look at the template talk page, there is a mean to put the  part into the template. This would be great because the episode are missing them, but it means that we have to undo all your efforts concerning the chapters. So what do you think ? Kdom 21:08, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well there is some examples in the Template:Sandbox Template :-))
 * You can also test it in your User:MasterDeva/Sandbox if you want. Kdom 22:16, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, I had seen that page before, silly me to ask... After you implement the navigational aids to the template I think it will be ready to go. One last question, will it be the exact same for all the arcs!? Because each template has a different colour and a certain "unique feel" that shows that the arc changes. Can you incorporate that change of colour too? MasterDeva 22:42, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it is a parameter of the template so there is no problem for that. Kdom 22:59, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Chapter Navigation
Sorry I can’t allow it, because it is not my responsibility, everyone can edit (wiki’s spirit). Anyway don’t think about it you didn’t do something wrong. Tipota 01:32, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Image tags
Stop changing the image tags from "File:" to "Image:". "File:" is how they're uploaded, and it's getting to be a pain reverting them all back to that. The Pope 02:52, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that Image: is used more in the wiki than File: and they work the same (the image appears still) so why revert it!? MasterDeva 08:12, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is virtually no difference between the two so please stop "reverting" my edits. The same can be said for thumb or thumbnail that reduces the size of the images displayed. MasterDeva 08:20, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, if someone starts a conversation on your talk thread, you're supposed to finish it on your talk thread, not theirs.


 * Anyway, the other instances of "Image:" being used are due to the old file uploading system. Now it uploads under "File:", which is more versatile. It uploads as File, and it's meant to be File, so stop changing it to Image. The Pope 14:46, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * For starters please be more polite and little less "aggressive". Now, "File:" might be more versatile (because it can handle all kinds of files such as pictures, audios, videos etc.) but we don't use anything else other than images in this wiki!!


 * So "Image:" is used exclusively for images like we do now and "File:" for anything... else... A perfect example for that is Wikipedia which uses many different kinds of media and uses "Image:" for the handling of pictures. We of course are not Wikipedia but we use the same software, markup language and editor with them.


 * We don't "need" right now the "File:" tag because we only use pictures and the "Image:" was created exclusively for that. One is already used for pics and it's doing its job perfectly while the other has the potential but we don't use it to the fullest of its capabilities. The main difference between the two (besides technicalities) is purely a matter of editorial preference!!!


 * PS. You were right that I should have continued the discussion on my page (that's what I usually do if you didn't notice) but lately I am a little bit loose about that. Nevertheless keeping track of things is easier if everything is on the same page. MasterDeva 15:36, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem is, what if we do start using files outside of images? Then we'd have image tags and file tags all over the place. It's far more convenient to have one consistent tag, then to have two separate ones.


 * Besides, like I mentioned, when images are uploaded, they are uploaded with the File tag; that's the way they're meant to stay. The Pope 16:32, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. There is no problem having both tags here, they are equally correct even if "File:" is now the default one. This is the same with British vs American and Japanese vs. Western style for names. Both ones work fine as it is let's leave it as is. Just, please, refrain from "blaming me" for things like this.


 * Because of the sarcastic comment you left in the edit description of the Pika Pika no Mi page, Emfrbl thought that we started an Edit War and we don't want that! MasterDeva 16:44, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * If we have multiple tags for the same thing, it'll get messier than it should be. It's more convenient and streamlined to have one consistent tag. The Pope 16:52, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The reason I talked about the potential of the "File:" was strictly because if you have the "Image:" tag for images it is more convenient when you're editing (at least for me) because you know these are images only. It's only a couple of seconds difference to tell but I wouldn't have mentioned it if it didn't really bothered me when editing.


 * For the note, having only two tags isn't messier at all. If there were more then it would be messy indeed. MasterDeva 16:56, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter how many there are; if there's more than one tag that can be compressed into one, then it's more convenient to keep it in that one. And it's not like we need it to say "image" for us to know that it's an image; that's what the .jpg, .gif, png etc. extensions are for. And again, when uploading files, it always has the File: tag, so that's how it should remain. Image: was the older version before it got moved to this. The Pope 17:06, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't believe that you are continuing this Buh6173. Repeating the same think over and over again won't make your point any stronger. I got it the first time you don't have to repeat it. Of course you can tell what kind of file it is by the extension but that wasn't my point.


 * To make things clear, what I meant was that its faster to look at the beginning of the line to see what it is ("Image" or "File") rather than having to check for the extension. An image can have many extensions (the wiki supports only the ones you mentioned) and it can take some time to check.


 * Even with the search function going up and down searching for example .jpg pics you'll have to repeat the search again to find the ones ending with .png and you end up going up and down waisting time and effort!


 * If you also take in mind that besides the different image extensions you have to look for there are also audio files then you have a mess, especially if you are editing a heavy loaded page. That's why it is easier to handle with the usage of another tag and not just one!! MasterDeva 17:22, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

You're acting like the wiki is filled with all kinds of media, when it's not.

99.9% of pages have solely images. Only specific pages have sound bites or anything like that, and in those cases you can tell what they are.

Other than that, most pages, character articles, arc pages, etc. use images. And images come in the File tag. If you're looking at a page, you'll know before you hit the "edit" button if there's going to be files other than images in there. It's not like you look at file and say "Gee, I didn't see any audio on the page before, but now I'm not sure".

It's for the sake of consistency; it's easier on an editor's eyes to have one tag to work with instead of two, and there's rarely a need to separate the two. The Pope 19:12, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I obviously meant as an example a site like Wikipedia and not One Piece Wikia. Didn't I say already above that this site has only pictures and not other files!? I mentioned the example above as a response to you about having only one tag when clearly in Wikipedia that is not the case (same software, language etc.). The discussion is becoming repetitive and pointless.


 * That's the difference in a nutshell, people who have come here from Wikipedia and have spend some time there understand what I mean... I assume that you conveniently erased from your memory everything I wrote about it above... Long story short "Image:"="File:" both are correct to use both work the same. Please don't make a fuss about this! MasterDeva 19:47, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * File is the more convenient tag. If I see Image:, I'm going to convert it to File:. If you don't care that much and think that they're equal, then you should have no problem with that. The Pope 20:59, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

File/Image edit wars
This goes out to the both of you, knock it off already! Its getting annoying to see. One-Winged Hawk 15:12, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that's a bit uncalled for Emfrbl, this isn't an edit war. We are discussing civilly the matter. I was only informed of this when suddenly Buh6173 dropped a message in my talk page. MasterDeva 15:42, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, its just so happens whenever I log on lately the first thing I noticed was the changing. I guess I have bad luck. ^_^' One-Winged Hawk 16:51, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I kind of grasped the situation, I imagined it was something like that. ^_^ MasterDeva 16:58, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Romanji/Romaji
Actually it's Romaji and not Romanji! It simply was under our radar for a long time and nobody corrected it leading to this. Don't worry I'll take care of the conversions, of course you are free to help me if you want. ;-) MasterDeva 01:59, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am sure(almost) that is Rōmaji. And you don’t need to change the variable "romanji" is not necessary.


 * This is a wikia though and we must keep the correct terms even if it means that some work is required. If it was just another fan site I wouldn't have bothered to go through this. MasterDeva 02:04, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yea I know we are …... but I can’t see any serious reason to change the variable’s name the display name needs to change only. (430 episode pages are waiting). Tipota 02:23, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I said I'm willing to change all the pages, simply because Romanji shouldn't stay in the source code of the articles and I'm willing to do it to the end. If you want, you can help me and actually if you remember you did remove the chapter navigation links and that too was a lot of work. MasterDeva 02:29, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia Undo
May I ask why you removed the trivia from the Pacifista page? I realize that the previous discussion of the Chi Rho was that it had something to do with Kuma's chest symbol, (which it doesn't) but it is another thing entirely when it comes to the Pacifista unit name/numbers.Uncanny Ultrabeast 21:40, March 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * It was too trivial and trivia for sake of it isn't right (your edit was in good faith I believe and you hadn't that in mind). ;-) MasterDeva 21:53, March 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well no, I thought it to be quite relevant to put that bit of insight on the page, so I do not consider it trivial. Especially when Kuma and consequently the Pacifista seem to have a theme of Christian symbols (or in the case of the Chi Rho early Roman Christian symbology). The bible and the Kuma's crosshair chestsymbol (if the lines are connected it becomes a Celtic cross).--Uncanny Ultrabeast 22:04, March 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Unless we get a confirmation from Oda it would be best to leave that bit out. It hasn't been actually confirmed that Oda had the Chi Rho symbol in mind when he made Kuma! MasterDeva 22:33, March 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, that is something I've been wondering about, this approval of Oda's "so says[sic]" before something gets to stay in the trivia section. I mean there is a lot that has not been mentioned by Oda and still is relevant (the main example I think, in this case is the real world pirates). Is there some system that decides that which trivia gets to stay and what doesn't or is it all case by case? While the Chi Rho is a petty detail at best and the only reason I put it on the Pacifista page because I knew it had been mentioned on Kuma's talk page.--Uncanny Ultrabeast 17:35, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you had actually read that discussion part better you would have noticed that Chi Ro shouldn't have made it to Kuma's page! That bit of info stayed on Kuma's page because no one checked to see if it was legit until later on. That's the same for the Pacifistas too! Information is added in the trivia section if it can contribute to the article as a whole, it's legit and doesn't contain speculation nor makes unnecessary assumptions. I hope I answered your question, if you need anything else just leave a message. ;-) MasterDeva 18:40, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * To a degree, I suppose.:) That, I've already understood, regarding contribution, speculation and assumption, but what makes something legit is somewhat unclear. Is it legit when it comes from the creator or the cultural source? I've run into the "Oda so says" argument before and find it a bit strange because in some regards it is irrelevant what his intentions were but what the outcome was. As an example I could think of "Rayleigh Scattering". Whether Oda had it in mind or not when he had Silvers Rayleigh fight Kizaru is a moot point in the sense that the connection exists regardless of his intentions. Even if it is just a coincidence should we still not inform the readers of the wikia that there exists such a connection? What would be assumption in this case is if we stated that Oda did it on purpose, because we don't know that for sure.


 * And to further protest my innocence, the discussion on Kuma's talk page is actually quite vague. It states that the Chi Rho reference should be removed on the grounds that Kuma's chest symbol is a Chi Rho, which it clearly isn't. But there is the thing that the Chi Rho consist of an overlapping P and X, and what are the unit number/names of the Pacifista?--Uncanny Ultrabeast 19:17, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sanji was troubled by the same thought too you know. ;P Their numbers might refer to the order they were created after Kuma, for example he was the first Pacifista (albeit an early incomplete one) to be produced from Dr. Vegapunk's human weapon project and others followed afterwards.


 * We've seen a PX-4 and Sentoumaru has mentioned a PX-1, we also know that Bartholomew Kuma himself is PX-0. As for the meaning the PX itself (not "XP" XD ), we don't have enough data to tell yet. In time it will be revealed don't worry. As I already have said your edit was on good faith and there is nothing wrong with that, nor there is a reason to defend yourself for anything.


 * As a final note, I am Greek and I can tell you with certainty that the Chi Ro (Χι Ρο) is two letters crossed (Χ and Ρ) making a cross that tilts on its side and the tattoos on the bodies of the Pacifistas have little to do with it! Trivias are on their nature "unencyclopedic" and mostly just for the fun of the readers, you might have noticed that Wikipedia strongly discourages placing them in any of their pages.


 * We have the luxury to allow them here but any trivia that's weak, loose or purely fan speculation is not allowed (the Rayleigh Scattering is a real observed phenomenon that has connections with both Rayleigh's possible name origin as well as his battle with Kizaru), you see. MasterDeva 20:13, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well there certainly is the fact that we will be learning at a future date more about the pacifista and their creator. And me protesting my "innocence" was done in good humor. ;)And weak, loose or purely fan speculation is certainly a more clear expression on what the trivia should be rather than being simply "legit". Even weak, loose and purely fan speculation can be "legit" and still have nothing to do with their article. Thanks for the clear up! ;)--Uncanny Ultrabeast 21:13, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your patience! ^_^ MasterDeva 21:40, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Your edit on Mero Mero no Mi...
I don't get why you undid what Oathkeeper of oblivion did. What kind of inanimate object was affected by it? --Reikson 05:52, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I added a reference so that should suffice. Honestly, it's a little bit lower down the page saying that Slave Arrow "petrifies anyone and anything that it hits"... MasterDeva 06:05, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh. Got it. --Reikson 06:12, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

El really wants your opinion and others
I'm sorry to tell you like this but El Chupacabra really demands your further opinions in this discussion despite what you stated previously. He demands your and others opinions and will not apparently stop until he is responded to.Mugiwara Franky 14:48, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Time to put on a vote regarding the category proposal
About time for voting for the proposals given by El. Forum:Index/Site_Problems/CategoriesMugiwara Franky 01:07, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Candidate
Since you propose some of them maybe you should remind what was your arguments there Kdom 19:39, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Mythbusters...
Due to the unexpected size of the Mythbusters page, I think its time to consider to rethink it. I don't want to loose the insightful and often VERY useful reference information held on it, but its getting too big for its boots. I'd like to hold a discussion that will help handle it better without loosing half the data on the page. For more See here. One-Winged Hawk 08:55, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Reverting edits on Boa Hancock
Hello Tipota, I noticed that for no apparent reason you reverted my edits on Boa's Hancock article where I corrected the layout of the images viewed on the page. Could you explain your reasons please? MasterDeva 09:53, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikia width Tipota 11:46, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I double checked and there was no width problem with the images, so please don't revert it again. MasterDeva 15:36, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * You corrected the image layout according to your screen resolution only. If we don’t decide a specific width for all pages Everyone can change image size, so I can undo your edits. Tipota 21:40, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I never said that you can't undo my edits, I just suggested to provide a reasonable explanation because that's the wise and natural thing to do! You're also forgetting that not all pictures have the same size so deciding on a universal page width is very difficult. Also, I have edited other pages before and this has never been a problem.


 * From what I'm aware of the default skin on this wiki (after a modification made some time ago) adjusts the page layout to be viewed correctly, by all users regardless of screen resolution, so there shouldn't be a problem with that. Lastly, didn't you chose your own resolution to make the changes on the page and if so how is it any different!? MasterDeva 22:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I use the default skin and there is not default width in the skin check the code if you don’t believe me.

Here is the main problem with images if you change size or position in the page in different screens the images placed in different paragraphs or section.

--Tipota 23:10, June 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * The reason I tweaked this specific image was because of the big space underneath it and I wanted to remove it or decrease it, using a tasteless way though indeed, other than that that's exactly how I was viewing the page in my monitor. LOL talk about a big misunderstanding... MasterDeva 07:29, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nakama Translation
Heya! We're still talking about translating "Nakama", it's moved to a Forum topic
 * http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Nakama_Translation#Discussion - Here

We're having a formal vote where you have to type "For Translation" or "Against" and sign. Even though we disagreed with what the term meant, you agreed with me that it should be translated didn't you?
 * "I too believe that the word "Nakama" should stay translated in every case it is used, be it in the episode names, profile pages, character relationships, etc etc. Simply because not all people who visit the site know what the word means; and they could get confused easily, if they stumbled on a term used excessively without knowing it's meaning. This way the average reader of this wikia would have no problems reading this wikia. "

That's what you said. If you still feel that way, can you please come in and vote to help me out? Thank You! DemonRin 20:02, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello DemonRin. Just to note something, I never disagreed with you on what the term meant, the translations you provided were accurate and I agree with you on that much but in the One Piece World and in the One Piece World only because of the many emotional scenes regarding Luffy's group that was used by them the world has a gotten deeper meaning, that's all.


 * I still believe though that the term should stay translated in the wikia for the reader's convenience sake. That's the only reason I'll vote to keep it translated. MasterDeva 21:32, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Chapter 590
When there is an active discussion about a translation issue, before you do any change you had better express your opinion first. Tipota 01:05, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice that there was a discussion page in chapter 590, if I had I would have participated sooner! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. ;D MasterDeva 01:13, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Candidates for Deletion
Category:Candidates for deletion and Category:Candidates for Deletion are different things. The latter is for forum discussion pages, not the pages to be deleted. Ruxax 19:43, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I wasn't aware of that, thanks for informing me Ruxax. ^_^ MasterDeva 22:05, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

SBS Vol. 54 Shibuku vs. Shigoku
I'm sorry, but could I see the character for "shibuku" because that makes no sense? Shigoku actually means to beat up. YazzyDream 01:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

According to the scanlation I used, (S）しょ一もない(B)バカは(S）シバくわよ is for (S)houmonai (B)aka ha (S)hibuku and (S)そんな(B)ぼうやは(S)シバくわよ is for (S)onna (B)ouya ha (S)hibuku. MasterDeva 02:27, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hello
I've also noticed that it often takes you multiple edits to change a small part of an article. To avoid this, simply click on the "Show Preview" button before saving the page to make sure that it shows up as you want it to. MasterDeva 07:46, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank for the piece of advice ;) The reason behind all the changes I need, however, is just my computer: many times, while editing an article, my computer had problems with connection, thus canceling all my previous work, and so I resolved to edit even little sentences of my work in order to "save" it ;) Aldarinor 08:23, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Would you mind if I recommended you a way to "fix" your problem? MasterDeva 08:27, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course I wouldn't ;) Tell me ;) Aldarinor 08:39, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you are using Mozilla Firefox there is an addon called | Lazarus: Form Recovery which function is to save every bit of text that you write and then allow you to recover it in case of a computer or browser crash (in your case, a connection problem)! So, even if you have trouble saving a page because of your internet connection, you can resume your edits at a later point when you are able to continue. ^^ MasterDeva 09:00, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, you certainly have a point there... Thank you! ;) Aldarinor 09:01, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Tomorrow I'll ask my old man for help in downloading the application... I wasn't able to do it by myself. xD
 * Hope you don't mind me making short edits for one more evening ;) Aldarinor 21:58, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * You just click on the "Add to Firefox" button and then you restart your browser, I don't see the difficulty there but sure I don't mind. ;D MasterDeva 22:08, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a little bit different there, even if I don't know why... Lots of windows and need of another browser O_O Aldarinor 22:36, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, Lazarus is downloaded... But I still need lot of edits to do things right xD Sorry, I'm just that way... Would you like to have a look on my last edit of the Red Hair Pirates? I wrote something about each unknown member, and I would like to hear what you think about it ;) Aldarinor 19:22, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, Lazarus is downloaded... But I still need lot of edits to do things right xD Sorry, I'm just that way... Would you like to have a look on my last edit of the Red Hair Pirates? I wrote something about each unknown member, and I would like to hear what you think about it ;) Aldarinor 19:22, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Contributions with m?
May I ask you a question? I see your editing a lot of pages, but... What is it that you're editing? Many of your edits in them are just written as a m... What does that mean? Aldarinor 12:39, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Contributions with m are edits of "small importance" or to be more precise they are mostly error correction (grammar, syntax, excess code removal) or page tweaking edits. MasterDeva 13:01, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, got it. Thank you, I was just curious ;) Aldarinor 13:39, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problemo, it's only natural to ask about these things. If you have any more questions regarding this wikia you can always ask me, our admins (Mugiwara Franky, BattleFranky202) or some of our senior members (One-Winged Hawk, Tipota, Kdom, Yatanogarasu, etc.).

Volume 60
Umm yeah, there's no volume 60 yet. Stating that a chapter will be in an unreleased volume is somewhat speculation.Mugiwara Franky 00:40, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Site Poll
Why'd you get rid of the site poll on the Aokiji page? Franky103 10:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe because I wasn't the one who removed it!? If you had been a little more careful you would have seen it was Buh6173 who removed it and has stated the reason in the description!! MasterDeva 12:33, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the page didn't show some revisions so I thought you deleted it and I didn't see the reason. and I didn't notice that there were revisions not shown while I was checking my Google inbox (for pages I'm following). Franky103 23:41, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia problem
Please participate in discussion on Forum:How to increase visibility of wikia guidelines and important discussions? --Ruxax 21:01, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Character Box Argument
Please give your formal opinion on this matter so we can get this settled. The Pope 02:38, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Several talks
Could you express opinion on Ruxax 11:45, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Talk:Episode Guide (Funimation) (merge/delete proposal)
 * Talk:Paradise (necessity in the page)
 * Forum:Placement of stub template

Edit War
He seems to be a speculation extremist. I had the same issue with him and other on the haki page and I gave up. I'm afraid but I'm not really a fan of that page so I won't be that much help. Also it's time for bed to me. I will try to make a comment tomorrow. Kdom 21:31, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help, I appreciate it greatly. I'm on the ropes here and I'm running out of options... Have a good night's sleep. :) MasterDeva 21:46, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Well it seems everything has been settled, after investigating a bit more the debate that was indeed quite ridiculous. Kdom 21:28, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I really hope that it's truely over and that Bastian won't come the next day to write/do his nonsense again... Thanks for checking this out, even though it's quite ridiculous indeed and not worthy of anyone's time to deal with it. MasterDeva 21:35, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

What's the page about Scott Freeman? A vandalism? --Meganoide 16:17, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Usually VA pages that haven't been created yet but have links of them showing up in articles end like that. You are free to add a deletion tab to it, it's no big deal really. ;) MasterDeva 16:24, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

re:Image Size
Yea, I agree, but in this case it's acceptable. And usually it is. In other instances, I think we can use our best judgement.  YazzyDream  19:24, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some times yes but sadly that is usually not the case. For example an image must have the text surrounding it equal the same amount of distance between white space and text. That's how images are properly displayed in books and other media and that's what I'm trying to achieve. MasterDeva 19:42, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hm..., I think it's fine the way it is. The image doesn't have to limited to the one area the text is about as long as it's easily viewable as an example. And when there's a serious lack of text that's what is for. -- YazzyDream  19:47, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's not what I was talking about though... I too agree that being easily viewable very important but when it can be allingned to fit in harmony with the surrounding text it is much more pleasant to the eye. Now with that being out of the way could you do something about the huge animated image of the Kage Kage no Mi, a better smaller version would be much nicer. Subrosian did it for the Moku Moku no Mi and it already looks much nicer MasterDeva 20:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, I noticed that too. :( I actually can't make gifs, but I've been looking for a substitute... for a while actually. Haha. Might be a better idea to ask Subrosian. NVM! Just found a good substitue. -- YazzyDream  20:18, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * HAYAI!!! ;D MasterDeva 20:25, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

infobox
the 2 image idea fell through. Besides at this point, its not worth it because of the approaching timeskip. We'll be updating the images to the new appearances then. 94.168.119.106 21:12, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Until that time comes let's leave the old images. Surely you don't expect that the immediate next chapter will have all the new character designs of everyone featured so far, do you? MasterDeva 21:17, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all, however that doesn't change the fact infobox 2 images isn't happenign right now. I didn't say its out of the question, but I told Kdom the idea needs rethinking. Regardless, as the current project stands, either way it shouldn't have been put into place without proper discussion, and therefore should have been removed until it happened properly and we drew an outcome. :-/ 94.168.119.106 21:22, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

re:About the Gura Gura no Mi Image
I know where it comes from, but I disagree about it showing the best portrayal of his powers. The ability allows the user to bascially break the atmosphere/area he's around. The image should show him doing that. I know the picture from the opening looks cool. But it's not actually giving us any information since nothing's actually cracking. It just has cracks randomly going everywhere. And we only know what's going on because of hindsight. Someone who randomly stumbled upon the page might not know what's going on. "Oh, is that lightening coming out of his fists?"  YazzyDream  16:56, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The description on the side of the image clearly explains what his powers are so there is no problem with visitors getting confused. Note also that this picture shows Whitebeard using his DF from the front NOT his back and displays clearly that he uses his fists to do so, in other words he is actually shown using it. This is not about what's cool or not. MasterDeva 17:02, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Regardless, shouldn't the image show him cracking something, since that's the whole point. And it's about the powers, not Whitebeard, so it shouldn't really matter if you see his front. Ugh, I don't really want to argue about this, since I don't think the image I uploaded is the best either. Just better than the image from the Opening.  YazzyDream  17:10, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I wasn't sure about this I wouldn't have bothered you YazzyDream. Believe me I want anything BUT to frustrate you. The image you uploaded has some mistakes that more of cover than show the DF's powers in action. If it was otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to make the change in the first place. I hope I'm making myself understandable and I don't sound like Dragon in his first appearance. ;P MasterDeva 17:15, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, no no, I'm not frustrated, it's just not really something I want to bother arguing over. I just hope the anime illustrates his powers better in the future. -- YazzyDream  17:22, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

re:Rampage
Hahaha, I see. Well, it looks like DemonRin's helped out. If he reverts again, I'll talk to him too.  YazzyDream  22:57, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not at all. I'll try and help when I can. You have a nice day too.  YazzyDream  23:09, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

re:About Tipota
Yea, I just checked it too. Weird. I just know a lot of people have been complaining about him/her. And yea, I think he's a little strict with certain rules, and I didn't always agree with him, but he helped out the community a lot. It's strange. :/ Hope nothing's wrong.  YazzyDream  16:26, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Respond Please
Forum:Image Guidelines

After all the arguments over images, and clear notes that we need image issues to be adressed... I opened up the image guidelines to be discussed and the lack of response and interest is beginning to notice. I'm putting up this message to everyone, unless I see some response, then the guidelines are fated to remain the same. One-Winged Hawk 17:07, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

If you think that manga images can be useful on this wiki can you please support my point or give your final opinion on the Forum:Images on the wiki. Kdom 20:03, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

New Wiki Logo
We were told by a Wikia staff member that we're not allowed to incorporate the official "wikia" logo into our own. So we need to design a new one. You can submit an idea if you've got one. Eventually we'll be voting for one of them. You can check out the forum topic here.  YazzyDream  23:11, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Stub code
It doesn't matter if is on the same line in the code with navibox templates or not. E.g.

is absolutely equal to Ruxax 18:29, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm aware of it Ruxax, there is no reason for you to point it out at me. If you really believe that their equal then, I believe, you won't have any problem I continue placing them in the same line, right? ^_^ MasterDeva

Edits that only place it on the same line and change nothing else in article are just meaningless. It is just waste of time and efforts. Ruxax 01:04, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since its neither your time nor effort that is "wasted" you should be fine with it. I don't know why you're fussing about this when it's so minuscule, unless of course I misunderstood something about this situation... MasterDeva 14:56, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

You still continue to do these unnecessary edits. Please stop. They doesn't make the articles better. Ruxax 20:09, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Please mind your own business Ruxax, what I do with MY "unnecessary edits" doesn't concern you. Writing these messages on the other hand IS a waste of your time and effort! MasterDeva


 * What are the reasons for these edits? Ruxax 21:40, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Brook and Super-Human Speed
All right MasterDeva, I think its time we finish this dispute of ours, I'm not willing to back down on this and you're probably not either so that is why I'm willing to compromise concerning Brook.Master Shannara 18:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Please sign your messages with four tiles (~), when you're talking in a discussion. It is considered bad manners if you don't. You should also write about it in the Super-Human Speed article's talk page and not here. MasterDeva 18:52, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not convinced by Manga anyway... IT was suppose to be the simplest page to maintain, instead its been far more hassle then its worth. The characters I keep reverting to ARE the only guys in the class, even Dalton doesn't count. Regardless, I'm considering loosing the page to save further arguments. What should have been a relatively quiet page is becoming a nightmare over time to maintain. >_<' One-Winged Hawk 21:13, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just because people don't read the guidelines, don't care about it, or they simply act idiotic doesn't mean that we must 'delete' the problem to make it go away. If you feel that Dalton must be removed for the sake of keeping the article 'healthy' then so be it. But saying things like "I'm not convinced by Manga" isn't something an editor in this wikia should say! If you feel like it is too much of a burden to carry on your own, you could just let other people help you and alleviate the weight. Burying our head in the sand isn't the solution to anything Emfrbl, please keep that in mind. MasterDeva 21:25, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I must admit, I am quite upset by how its turned out. Honestly truly... the "delete" in mind is coming out quite clearly. I've now completely reverted it down to the core "we know for sure" group and I've left the disputed and "Not confirmed, but it seems like it is" group off folks have added. I'll discuss this with MF later and draw a conclusion when I'm done being upset by how the two pages are blowing out of hand... One-Winged Hawk 21:17, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, take it to the forum page, its time to adress these problematic pages. I'm not happy even after requesting a hault until discussion you and MS kept on the edit war. If it stays, dus has to settle on all matters. Its not so much, but their minor pages and everytime they get reverted without discussion I feel like the editors involve are completely wasting time, time that could be better spent on pages with solid cores to them and not one meant to be a list to describe a level of achievement in general. One-Winged Hawk 21:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * To clarify something, Master Shannara kept editing the article even though I've asked him not since we were in the middle of a debate. Check the discussions in the talk page and the page's history to see how things took place. MasterDeva 21:51, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * But if there was such a problem, a temporary "1 day" or "1 week" lock on the page can happen. While you mean well, you only make the edit war continue by undoing the edits. Though, MS is by far the reason why the pages are being discussed right now. I flat out requested that no further individuals were added without discussion, I removed the characters that HAD not been discussed and MS continued to revert even though I requested. Though it falls into MS's hands for blame, you must put yourself in a situation where discussion has to take place if the other editor isn't discussing. In my case, I admit my method is a little extreme but there are many other outstanding issues here in those pages and they've both been a problem since day 1. Thus, this is just the final straw of a a very large stack of hay. One-Winged Hawk 21:57, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Avoiding this problem right now will have serious consequences, later in the future, to the articles that DO matter. If we let people do as they please just to stop the buzz the whole wikia will crumble. Anyways I'll write in detail my ideas of how we should handle properly those pages. Just waiting for you to start the topic in the forums. Oops I didn't notice that you had already started it, my mistake. ^_^ MasterDeva 22:08, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hehee, easily done, did it myself. ;-)


 * MF has locked the page temporary so it gives us a chance to discuss. I did start a section for sorting out characters into the speed lists as per the forum note. Now everyone is focused on the problem though, whatever happens now I hope it eases off the future problems... But no matter what I think we're going to get SOME sort of life long problems for those two pages. One-Winged Hawk 22:46, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Tabs on characters pages
Forum:Tabs on characters pages Ruxax 11:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

An Important matter
Forum:Wikia's forced new look

Just notifying a very important matter in case you haven't heard about it.Mugiwara Franky 11:38, October 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm aware of it, thanks anyway for notifying me. MasterDeva 16:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Forum:Wikia's_forced_new_look


 * A little update on the matter.Mugiwara Franky 09:41, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Fan art
Sorry. I think I can do that, thanks. Kalie17 22:30, October 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's okay, don't worry about it. One more thing, don't forget to sign your messages with four tiles so people know who is talking and can keep track of the conversation. MasterDeva 22:44, October 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'm kinda new at this wiki thing, thanks. Kalie17 00:21, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Apology
MasterDeva, I have been thinking about your reasons for Brook not being counted as a SHS user and you were right, I guess I was too stubborn to see it from your point of view, I am deeply for causing you and the entire community trouble for the results of my willful opinion. Master Shannara (talk) October 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apology accepted Master Shannara but the one you should really apologize to is One-Winged Hawk aka Angel Emfrbl. When I asked you not to edit the article's page while the discussion was going on, I did it with very serious reasons in mind. One of them, was to prevent all this mess from happening! From my experience in editing this wiki for a long time, I could foresee that it would end like this and of course I tried to stop it. In the end though... I wasn't able to...


 * Emfrbl tried to discuss the issue with you but in the end you were the last drop to make the cup run over for her (yes Emfrbl is a female) and the situation came to this. I would appreciate it if you were willing to give her a sincere apology so we can have a happy ending. Know that only part of you was at fault here, things were strained before this recent edit war about Brook and Dalton. I don't think I have something more to say or to add anything else. MasterDeva 06:55, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Changing the pics
You know just because a picture is like, 1% off from the original comic doesn't mean you should have the final say on it staying that way. I mean, its the same scene therefore it should be updated. The manga pics should be only temporary until the anime catches up to that moment. Genocyber 03:02, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * The manga pics aren't "temporary until the anime catches up" nor it's a necessity to update to the anime version, though, that's something that most of the new editors do not know. I'm arguing over the "1% off" difference here but about the picture demonstrating an attack! If a picture is below the quality of the manga version then the anime will be rejected. While most of the time manga pics are replaced completely by their anime counterparts.


 * If the anime has apparent flaws like characters appearance, ability demonstration and so on the original pic remains. I take it that you weren't aware of our image policy so it's alright to ask if you have any questions and please don't hesitate if you do. MasterDeva 03:14, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * What exactly is this supposed flaw? This is a serious question. What aspect of this differs from the manga? He's hitting Crocodile with his forearm in both pics. There is an impact shockwave in both pics. The only difference I see is blood. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:08, October 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Read the discussion page here. MasterDeva 06:09, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

'Upright=1.4' Instead of '###px' ???
I notice you undid some of my edits on the images in Squardo, Newgate, & Ivankov's pages. Any reason for the large sizes? Part of a paragraph in Squardo's page looks kind of squeezed between the 'Stab' & the 'Hug'. I wanted to ask before I decide to change "Upright=1.4" to "###px" again.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 05:55, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * The generic 130px is useful most of the times but in some cases the image becomes too small or too large and doesn't fit with the surrounding text paragraphs. The "upright" tweak works with percentages and is somewhat easier to find the right image size for the section. I'll change it back into ##px if it looks to you like a shore thumb sticking out too much. ;) I would like to note though that you shouldn't change the ##px width of the images who aren't 130px exactly because they have been specifically tweaked to be like that. Thank you for notifying me about about this and have a nice day.


 * A small note, Squardo's section looks awfully pretty in comparison to Ivankov's "Appearance" section were the text is squeezed in the middle by the infobox AND the image.


 * MasterDeva 06:20, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Phoenix (NOT in green)
Please stop writing in wrong information. --Klobis 14:14, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Grammar check Klobis, I added it only once and that's because I trusted Yatanogarasu's edit! Now that I know it wasn't in the databook I won't add it back. MasterDeva 14:25, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Spelling issues
Hello. I only wanted to ask if it would be better writing the word "model" on some zoan DF with the M or the m. --Meganoide 10:55, November 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be Model with capital m. By the way, thanks for asking first before proceeding to make changes like that, trust me it's important to avoid any future misunderstandings beforehand instead of having to deal with them afterwards... Also, likewise with Model, Zoan too must always be written with capital z! MasterDeva 11:10, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

whitebeard picture
Ok whats your problem with it? Are you being that much of a nit pick over the art? It's the same damn scene from the manga with the same stuff going on. Same poses, same characters, same background. Not allowing it just because you don't like the 'art style' is a crap excuse. Either keep ALL the pictures the manga or keep all of them the anime! Genocyber 21:40, November 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, first thing to note Genocyber is to watch your language, I never talked to you that way and I would appreciate it if you didn't too! I never said that, "I don't like the art", I said that the art style used in the anime is inferior to that of the manga and nothing else.


 * Maybe you wouldn't care as long as you get to upload the images from the anime BUT according to our appended Image Guidelines and I quote, "Anime does not always provide a good example of the manga counterpart, in such an event it would be okay to revert the image to manga until another better image is found." if the anime is inferior to the manga then we keep the manga; note though that the opposite can also be true!


 * You did nothing wrong and you flawlessly followed the guide by uploading a HQ image without watermarks, subtitles etc. but if the problem is with the anime pic itself and not you then there is that much you can do. As for the "keep ALL the pictures the manga or keep all of them the anime" that just ridiculous (or as you could say 'crap') excuse to defend yourself. If the anime works we'll use the anime, if the manga works we'll use the manga. That all depends on the situation and nothing else!


 * I know that you can be a good editor and you have proved that yourself when you uploaded an appropriate image from the anime for the File:Admiral ace.jpg pic when the previous ones weren't obviously up to standards (that was actually Zero62422002, lol). I know that you can understand and it's not something difficult to do. Thanks for be willing to discuss it properly and I appreciate it. Unless a better version of the File:WBPIRATES.jpg makes an appearance we'll keep the tankōbon version, which is the closest thing that we have to the manga. MasterDeva 22:06, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

What the hell? That's part of Angel's user created pages. The append was never voted into use and if it was then it would have replaced the actual image guidelines page. Plus it is your own opinion that the anime image is inferior to the manga version. Both are good images. SeaTerror 22:38, November 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * The 'image rejection' thing has been used to remove pictures that are overflowing a page which is part of the ammended Image Guidelines, SeaTerror. Plus it's not 'my opinion' that the art style is inferior to the original one, if you have eyes you'd see it too. Arguing on a user's talk page just to relieve your frustration over me because you think "I'm a vandal" isn't something you should do! MasterDeva 23:02, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can't understand why you are particular about the manga version. Please tell a concrete reason. --Klobis 05:49, November 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've already mentioned the reason, the anime version in the picture displays low quality art style in comparison to the manga version. Maybe I must be more specific though, check out the faces of some of the Division Commanders in the Whitebeard Pirates. Namely, Blenheim, Fossa, Speed Jiru, Curiel and some others! They didn't draw facial lines, replaced their eyes with dots and all in all they did an awful job drawing the scene! Maybe if I had explained all that in a detail the first time it would have solved some misunderstandings. Anyway, thanks for giving me the chance to do it Klobis. These are my reasons for keeping the manga version over the specific anime pic. MasterDeva 06:04, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Your comment to be just proves you are being biased against the anime version just because you don't like it. So I will revert it now. Also if you seriously think I'm here because I'm frustrated because of you then you honestly do not know what you are talking about. SeaTerror 17:52, November 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not biased against the anime version nor I don't know what I'm talking about, you know though; that description would fit you to a tee! I'm simply saying what I saw and nothing less, if you think otherwise then you really have no idea at all. I didn't say "I do not 'like' the anime version" so do not twist my words. If you honestly didn't came here to because of a grudge or something, I'll take back what I said above and I apologize.


 * It's really not that hard to see where that came from, honestly now, issues like Captain Gorilla, Kaizoku-Fansubs and lately the Mahito Ōba issue... and that's only things at the top of my head! You're not the most trustworthy editor around, not to mention that your behavior shows that you willingly pick fights with other editors!


 * The point remains though, the specific anime pic has sloppy animation which is below that of the manga. Furthermore I've stated my exact reasons for reverting it and you haven't said anything concrete to defend it! That gives me enough reasons to revert back to the tankōbon version.


 * My apologies again if I accused you wrongly of anything. MasterDeva 22:42, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think you are too nervous. All images have been replaced with anime version so far even if it has slightly bad quality. --Klobis 01:30, November 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem is that neither of them was THAT bad in comparison to the rest of them. Well, a certain image does come to mind that could rival this one but it's not about the art style but something else. The thing is that in some cases a completely different image in the anime has replaced the manga version, for example this one. I'm not being "nervous" or anything but the issue here is, that this is one of the first images with such low quality art style that are about to replace the manga version!


 * Note also that not "all pictures" have been replaced by the anime as there are still images in this wiki that are used and haven't been changed so that argument isn't solid! I'm not talking about the pictures 'History section' that haven't been animated yet (because the reason is that the anime hasn't caught up yet) rather, I'm talking about the character infoboxes and the like that are still in manga form. MasterDeva 02:17, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

You mind too much small points. They are exactly same scene. I think you are egocentric. Other than you there is no person to choose manga version. --Klobis 03:18, November 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Woah Klobis hold on a minute, you've crossed a line here. If you wanna start calling people names, I could easily do that to you too but that wouldn't get us anywhere and I believe you know that! You told me to give you my reasons regarding the image thing and I did. We haven't even started a vote on the matter to see who wants what and you haven't given me one concrete reason like you asked me moments ago. It is your right to believe what you want to but I take what you said as a personal insult! Since you haven't even start to provide reasons for your opinion yourself it wouldn't be appropriate to go that way. MasterDeva 03:42, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

STOP
can u stop changing the picture of the whitebeard pirates in the plaze on the edward newgate page. the manga pictures suck after the event happens in the anime

wow r u kidding me, its fine just stop changing itImhungry4444 06:35, November 19, 2010 (UTC)imhungry4444

or wat?Imhungry4444 06:43, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

wat r u gonna do about it?Imhungry4444 06:44, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

12th Supernova 22:50, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Page History
Heya, I'm fairly new to this editing business, and I was wondering how to access editing history? Some flamer has edited http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Straw_Hat_Pirates quite rudely, and I want to try and restore the page to its former glory. Thanks. 12th Supernova 22:50, November 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thanks for your help. 12th Supernova 13:56, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

re:Merry Christmas
Thank you, MasterDeva, and Merry Christmas to you too. You've put in a lot more work than I have, I just want you to know that it's appreciated. With so many new users, you're almost starting to become one of the more senior members here, more so than before. Keep it up. DancePowderer 07:37, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

ow! Thank you very much Master, and Merry Christmas too! 08:18, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

re:Merry Christmas!
Aw shucks, haha, thank you! Yes, I've got my first real job, and things have been annoying at school (I can't wait till I'm done with college). Thanks for the warm greeting. Hope you're having a good holiday. :D  YazzyDream  18:50, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

re:Merry Christmas
Thanks man, merry christmas for you to. Ya, it seems like I joined yesterday, no idea it was a whole year already. Also, thanks for your help as well, I've always though you are one of the most reasonable ones around. Good 2011 for you, and good luck here on the wikia too ^^ GMTails 20:44, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Merry Christmas
Yeah... Since everyone else replied to you like this, I might as well. Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you, too. - BattleFranky202 21:38, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year (2011)
Happy New Year to ALL the editors in the One Piece Wikia, past and present ones! We've closed yet another year for this encyclopedia and the community that blossomed under it. Thanks to all those people whose edits and contributions helped us make this site what it has currently become, please continue supporting us so we can improve even further!! ^_^ MasterDeva 12:22, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Imhungry4444
Blocked him per request at wikkii. While I'm not against being asked to do stuff at wikia here from there, some help contributed to the other site would be most appreciated. Even if it's as little as one edit per day or even per a set of days, anything just to help the site along.Mugiwara Franky 16:29, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm on it. I'm in the middle of adding references for the various articles here that lack any and it has become more time consuming that usual. If you need anything at all leave, leave a message on my talk page here or the one at wikkii.net! MasterDeva 19:06, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Gif, jpg, png
Hi there,

I wasn't aware that people are unable to update gifs, thank you for that info. I usually use still gifs to add transparency (see the picture of smoker at my talkpage, it had a white background previously). That is not possible with jpg. For the pictures I recently uploaded, that must be a mistake because it isn't needed at all, I probably forgot to change the save-settings.

So, what can I do about it? I could upload new jpg versions of the recently used ones. However, is there a way to delete the old pictures completely? Something like the "candidate for deletion" feature? (how that works is still unclear to me)

As for transparency, I will use png in the future.Jinbe 22:12, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Edittools/UniqueTemplates
Apparently, I can't unlock these pages for some reason. Must be a bureaucrat thing or something similar. I can however apparently edit them. What's the codes. I'll write them for ya.Mugiwara Franky 06:21, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Jinbe and the Sunny Pirates
Hello! Don't know if you've seen it already, but I'm confused about some assertions concerning Jinbe and the Sunny Pirates. I explained myself in the Sunny Pirates' talk page and Klobis' talk page, but I get no satisfying answer. Since you removed the marks I put about this matter, I figured you're better informed than me! I would be glad if you clarified a little bit where I'm mistaken. Thanks! sff9 (talk) 14:27, January 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I've read those pages. Jinbe has been described as the boss of the Fishman Pirates aka Sunny Pirates so that much is certain. As for him being Fisher Tiger's right hand man that wasn't stated anywhere as far as I know. Jinbe however was stated in the manga (by Yosaku) to have unleashed 'monsters' (or only Arlong, it is ambiguous) to become a Shichibukai. The possibility of him disassembling the crew is high but until I can get that cleared up it remains ambiguous too. Last time I checked Episode 31 they had removed some lines from Yosaku's speech so it's not a good source. That's about it. MasterDeva 14:45, January 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for answering! Here are my reactions:


 * Jinbe however was stated in the manga (by Yosaku) to have unleashed 'monsters' (or only Arlong, it is ambiguous) to become a Shichibukai → Indeed, in Stephen's translation he states "Yosaku: In exchange for Jinbeh's participation in the Seven Armed Seas, he has set someone terrible loose in East Blue.". Don't know how I could miss that, I thought I had read this carefully... Still, as you said, it is ambiguous, so maybe the statement is worth a little rewriting. I'll give it a try.


 * I still don't get the "Fishman Pirates aka Sunny Pirates" part. Is it stated in chapter 521, as Klobis said? Could it be the line that Stephen translated "Nyon: And this Fisher Tiger fellow is now dead. It seems his fishman pirates have split into several crews."? To me, it seems rather ambiguous too. Plus, we know that the Sunny Pirates were disbanded, whereas Jinbe's still presented as "Captain of the Fishman Pirates", isn't it a contradiction?


 * In all cases, (1) the "Fishman Pirates" cannot have been disbanded when he became a Shichibukai as he's still captain, and (2) if "Fishman Pirates=Sunny Pirates" holds, it is false that he is a former captain of the Sunny Pirates, he still is! sff9 (talk) 17:02, January 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * From my understanding the "Fishman Pirates" are the remnants of the Sunny Pirates after they got disbanded. Macro's Pirate Crew, and the Arlong's Pirate Crew are some of the crews that were formed after that. Chapter 521 was indeed the source for all this (the line you quoted) and Klobis did good to mention that! Jinbe is still the captain of the Fishman Pirates as he left with them from Fishman Island after the war ended. That also explains why the New Fishman Pirates were formed after the old ones left. MasterDeva 21:52, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Making the New Forum
I know it hasn't quite been a week, but there doesn't seem to be any activity on the admins forum page, so I was thinking of going ahead and making the voting page now. The only thing I'm on the fence about is the number of admins that should be added because that would determine the number of votes each person gets. I was thinking 4? Four admin spots and everyone can vote four times. What do you think?DancePowderer 20:18, January 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Four people should be enough, two bureaucrats and two admins (four admins in total) will solve our main problems and help deal with other things afterwards. We do not need more people to do the basic things! It would be appropriate to start the official voting process immediately if no significant activity has been noticed within two or three days. Next we should get in contact with a Wikia staff member to make the elected editors administrators and bureaucrats respectively. Please tell me if you agree with this and if there are any further suggestions on the matter. MasterDeva 21:33, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Great. Just one thing. I don't think the positions themselves should be discussed (who are admins who are bureaucrats) until after the voting is done. That way the four can talk amongst themselves.DancePowderer 22:40, January 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's okay by me, I think it is reasonable enough to wait. After we get our new admins to solve our main goal, we'll move on to the next step of our problem. Later we'll be free to deal with other issues more easily. MasterDeva 22:58, January 19, 2011 (UTC)