Talk:Mythbusters/Misunderstandings and Misinformation

It seems ike many of the answers to the myths are written in a way that the person that answerwed is mad for not understanding them. why is this? 72.64.116.102 01:11, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wrong image on First Mate explanation.
Erm, I don't want to debate on Zoro being the first mate or not but the image is a pretty bad example, since the text says "Kaizoku-Ou no Migiude" which means "The Pirate King's right hand". So basically, there's NO information on Ray being Roger's first mate, so that's a pretty bad image to point out that Zoro isn't the vice-captain of the Mugiwaras because Zoro in fact is "Luffy's right hand" ever since chapter 2 and especially when he fought Kuma. It would be better to show the scene in Shakky's Bar when the Mugiwaras realise that they are talking to "Roger's vice captain". The Japanese RAW dialogue also uses "fukusenchou" (vice-captain). -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 04:32, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Okama Coat
What fansubbers censored/mistranslated Okama? I've never seen this, and there's no link to prove it, so this claim should either be sourced or removed.74.89.78.187 11:23, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Absalom rape scene
In regards to absalom raping nami myth. The fact section needs to be corrected or the entire rumor needs to be removed. Sneaking up on someone when they're naked and them holding them down constitutes as rape; penetration doesn't have to happen, it's about sexual violence and force. Any girl or sensible person will agree.

75.41.68.177 04:36, April 8, 2013 (UTC)SB

Rape is penetration. Up til that it's sexual assault. 04:42, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

If penetration doesn't need to happen to be "rape", then that will pretty much make anybody who's ever been bullied be "raped". And I love how you separated girl from sensible person. Good job. 05:10, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, penetration is the rape point, grabbing them should not count as rape, and if it does, I might have raped some people then... {{User:Nobody700/}

Do we really need to take a stand on the definition of rape on the One Piece wiki? I think it's fine to leave the scene open to interpretation. Its inclusion in this list adds literally nothing of value. I recommend it be removed.

24.39.189.162 11:31, June 1, 2017 (UTC)dj 6/1/17

Moria's Zombies
It keeps getting removed for no reason. What was added is showing what the misunderstanding is. Nowhere was it ever stated that zombies burn up. The only thing EVER stated was that a shadowless person burns up in the sunlight. SeaTerror (talk)

The scene does not make sense for three reasons: 1) The zombies were pre-buried and rose out of frozen seawater in the bay. 2) The zombies were not raw corpses and were already built from what looked like dead marines with Hogback nowhere in sight. 3) The shadows for the zombies (and Moriah empowering himself) came from marines that did not light on fire in broad daylight. The zombies being in daylight is not the "myth" for that scene. There is no rumored discrepancy to disprove, because this seems to be the rare actual discrepancy.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 01:57, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

It was never stated the zombies burn up if in sunlight. It was only ever stated that a person without a shadow burns up in the sunlight. It's a common misconception I've seen a lot. People also think they should have burned up if he used shadows from the Marines at Marineford but that was never stated either. Plus it was never stated where he even got the shadows. Only thing Moria said was something about getting corpses there. Go find the chapter that says zombies burn up in sunlight and then it can be removed. SeaTerror (talk) 03:48, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

You wrote that the statement "It was never stated anywhere that the shadows were stolen from nearby Marines." was blatantly false, but now you say that "it was never stated where he even got the shadows". So, which is it?--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 21:10, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

You completely missed the point of that. What you put there was blatantly false to what was originally there. It doesn't matter where Moria stole the shadows from. Again, go find a panel that says zombies burn up in sunlight. SeaTerror (talk) 21:22, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

As it is written, the mythbuster comes off as "silly noob, there is no contradiction in this scene" because of a weird rumor that I don't care about. There is a "Zombie Plot Hole" in that scene, but that isn't it. That is why I called it a strawman. The entry should be rewritten to debunk the more obvious so-called errors rather than just missing the point.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 21:32, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

There is literally nothing to be rewritten. This is why people think it's a plot hole. Nothing else. Also you still don't know what a straw man is. SeaTerror (talk) 21:53, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

You are debunking a weaker argument for the plot hole, rather than my three points. It looks like you also removed the note from Moriah's page.-Sandwichman2449 (talk) 22:11, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

I already debunked every point multiple times. There is no plot hole. If you can't find the panel within a week then the talk page will be closed and the trivia left as it is. SeaTerror (talk) 22:40, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

You didn't debunk anything. You didn't even prove that your rumor is the more popular misconception. You just keep restating the zombies in the sun thing, which (while true) is not the assumed plot hole with the scene.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 02:32, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

Actually it is. I also posted why it wouldn't matter where he got the shadows from anyway. Literally the only thing ever stated was that a shadowless person burns in sunlight. Nothing else was EVER mentioned. If you can find ANY page that says otherwise then it gets removed. You have a week. SeaTerror (talk) 03:40, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

I am not arguing otherwise, I am saying that the myth as written isn't the plot hole, just a factoid. And where are you getting these ultimatums?--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 04:22, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

Again it is. The "plot hole" is always about the shadows. I'm getting it from how long these talk pages remain open for no reason. SeaTerror (talk) 04:41, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

I linked a section from Moriah's page (from years ago) that I remembered reading and you removed. The issue is not always the way you are putting it.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 05:50, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

It is but it doesn't matter since the trivia isn't going to get removed since there's no evidence against it. SeaTerror (talk) 08:02, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

Then I'll just rewrite it to include the other points too.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 21:29, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

You won't since there is no plot hole anywhere. It doesn't matter where the bodies came from and it doesn't matter where the shadows came from as already explained. SeaTerror (talk) 23:55, December 2, 2018 (UTC)

You didn't explain anything.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 00:08, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

[//onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mythbusters/Misunderstandings_and_Mistranslations?diff=1545789&oldid=1545776 https://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mythbusters/Misunderstandings_and_Mistranslations?diff=1545789&oldid=1545776] SeaTerror (talk) 01:07, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

This conversation isn't working. All you are saying is that the section isn't allowed to be changed and everything else doesn't matter.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 01:54, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

It has been two weeks, and as you are not interested in finding a chapter or panel that proves or disproves my points, I will now rewrite the entry to include the other ambiguities too as a compromise.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 00:23, December 23, 2018 (UTC)

I gave you a chance to find the panels that say zombies burn up in sunlight. You aren't changing anything since there is nothing to change. SeaTerror (talk) 20:36, December 23, 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps I will.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 20:56, December 23, 2018 (UTC)

This issue is a little difficult for me to get a handle on because I am not quite sure how much of an issue this zombie misunderstanding really is. The problem with these Mythbuster pages is that a lot of the sections deal with issues from around 2007 to 2012, and I daresay that most of the misunderstandings and speculations regarding the series have changed and shifted quite a bit. Zombies not burning up in sunlight is correct, yes, but when and where did people claim that this was not the case? Is this still an issue in the present time?

It is of course not easy to determine when an entry on a page like this becomes irrelevant, because how do you prove when the fandom is NOT talking about something? Honestly, these pages need a major overhaul to bring them up to date. This is another discussion all on its own, but honestly I think Sandwichman's disputed edits are in a similar vein to what, in my opinion, we should be doing to these pages: remove points that are no longer issues within the fandom.

Regarding the scene itself, Moria does not raise the zombies out of the frozen seawater, he does it on land. Him grabbing shadows is not necessarily a plot hole because those could have come from the purified zombies. There's a lot that's not explained about how Moria got these zombies, and how he got from one place to another is rather wonky, but nothing explicitly impossible happened - i.e. no plot holes. Which is the version ST is pushing for. The issue here is whether or not there is an actual misunderstanding among the fandom over these events. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 01:35, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough. My first actions were to remove the section, then rewrite it to something that touched upon the weird ambiguities of the scene (heightened by the anime) that might mislead people when SeaTerror insisted that it stay.--Sandwichman2449 (talk) 02:15, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

Nakama
The part regarding the usage of the word 'nakama' was inaccurate (I have used Japanese as my main language of communication, alongside English, for the last 11 years, and the problems were glaringly obvious), so I fixed it.

Particularly, the word, as used in One Piece, never translates to "friend". In addition, it has no "direct translation". I corrected these parts, and cleaned up the text in general, since it originally read more like a Youtube comment than an entry in a Wiki article.

If you feel that the additional information regarding the usage of the word 'nakama' in Japanese (= the second and/or third paragraphs) is unnecessary, feel free to remove those parts. However, I did do quite a bit of serious work to ensure that the information is accurate, using dictionary entries from several Japanese dictionaries as references, so I would appreciate it if you gave a proper reason here, first.

Please do not undo the changes completely, as this will bring back quite a bit of misinformation as well. This is a page for correcting misunderstandings, so it would not be appropriate for the "corrections" to contain obvious misinformation.

Bavio the Benighted (talk) 01:08, March 11, 2020 (UTC)Bavio the Benighted