Talk:Vander Decken IX

Reason for Move?
Why was it moved from XI to IX? The manga said XI. If there isn't a reason I'm going to get rid of the redirect.DancePowderer 16:45, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * You read Japanese manga? It says 九世=IX. (Not 十一世=XI) --Klobis 03:48, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I couldn't find a raw, so I didn't understand. Sorry to have bothered you.DancePowderer 05:54, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Also, mangastream has updated and fixed the recent One Piece chapter and it says Vander Decken IX. http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/74136489/13 NANLIT 17:39, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Mato Mato no Mi
Just because the Mermaid Princess described it as "Mato Mato" in the style of Devil Fruits for his ability, that doesn't automatically make it a Devil Fruit.

Why is everyone so prone to jumping to conclusions just from seeing one panels worth of information? You guys did the same thing with Caribou (and yes, in the end it was a correct assumption), but it was still an assumption nonetheless and as far as I can tell such things are not permitted on this Wikia, are they not? Subrosian 20:38, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

His ship is coated, and he met Jones while wearing a flutter kick coating. Why else would a fishman need a flutter kick coating?DancePowderer 20:42, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Although I agree with DP that all evidence is proven, I partially agree with Sub that we can't b ecareful enough and this is indeed not permitted on the wikia. Not confirmed means speculations, which equals forbidden. But let's go along with it, I don't mind. Yountoryuu 20:49, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree with saying that Decken ate a Devil Fruit at all. I agree with Yountoryuu that speculations are forbidden, and we should only call this a curse and nothing else.68.36.166.78 23:42, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Remember, a devil fruit is "a curse", especially for fishmen who are always UNDERWATER. Although I find the speculation part annoying, it is probably ok to leave the Mato Mato no Mi thing. If it is some kind of "devil fruit especially for fishmen" or whatnot, we can always rename the page. As for the subbs, it is accurate. In Japanese, Shrahoshi says "「マトマト」という悪魔の呪いを受けておられ. . . " which directly translates to "he took a devil's curse called "Mato Mato"". I'm confident this is referring to a DF. JapaneseOPfan 00:06, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree how likely that it is a Devil Fruit, however, it was never directly stated as a Devil Fruit so we should simply call it a curse because, as I said before, speculation is forbidden. Atleast onepiece.wikkii doesn't call it a Devil Fruit. I think we should just remove all referances that it is a Devil Fruit and simply call it "Mato Mato" until it is directly stated as Devil Fruit. 68.36.166.78 23:55, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. It's pretty blatantly obvious that it's a DF. But we've avoided speculation thus far, let's not break that shall we?
 * To make it clear, you are against the site keeping it as a Devil Fruit? If anyone else agrees, remove all refrances that it is a Devil Fruit, keep it a curse, and rename the Devil Fruit article just to Mato Mato. 68.36.166.78 00:57, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Possible inspiration
It's possible that Hordy Jones and Vander Decken IX are modelled on "il Gatto e la Volpe" (The Cat and the Fox) from Collodi's Pinocchio... (See Talk:Hordy Jones for the rest). leviathan_ 89  23:54, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

This is really interesting. It makes sense considering the strange "catlike" mouth of Vander Decken and the fox (?) hanging around Hordi's neck. Nice catch, however we better wait for more opinions. Jinbe 00:00, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think we should wait too, but if someone has something to say on this he should write it on the Hordy Jones' Talk page this way we can discuss on a single page. leviathan_ 89  00:37, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

IX??I
I was under the assumption that "IX" is the Roman numeral for nine or ninth,so how does that make Decken the eighth descendant of the Vander Decken of Legend ? wouldn't he be the Ninth? O_oHordy4040 03:46, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

When talking about the generations, he is the ninth because he is the ninth generation of family to bear the name. In terms of descendency, the original Vander Decken would not count, since he could not be his own descendent. Think of the original Decken as generation 0. 04:00, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * The first two sentences are right, DancePowderer, but then you contradict yourself: the original is generation 1, what you wanted to say is that he's the "0th descendant"! Hordy4040, you just have to think that king Henry II was the first descendant of Henry I (who is the original Henry), Henry III was the second descendant, etc. sff9 (talk) 10:45, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks guys,I thought I was losing my mind lol xDD that makes perfect sense.

Anyone think the whole "IX" thing could be a hint by Oda confirming Decken as the "ninth" memeber of the Strawhats? I mean he did the same kind of hint in Water 7 with Franky of course being the 7th member after

sounds farfetched with his current role in the arc but tell me what you think.99.127.3.165 11:55, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Talk pages are meant to discuss the articles; if you want to talk about theories, you should create a blog post or a forum! sff9 (talk) 12:50, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Oh...God.
Decken took an intrest in Shirahoshi about 10 years ago. 12 or so years ago, Arlong tired to recruit him, meaning he had to be bare-minimum late teens-early 20's. Chapter 621 showed 6 years prior to his stalking she was born. So, Decken is estimated to have started to stalk Shirahoshi when she was about 6 or 7. Basically this means that Vander Decken is a... Paedophile! GenkiMan 16:58, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

That's very much dependent on how Fishmen and Mermen age. But a minor discrepency I noticed is that it was stated earlier that the Neptune Army was formed to take down Decken, but in Chapter 621 (with a baby Shirahoshi), the Neptune Army was already all over the place. Or did I misunderstand and Neptune only formed a special task force to hunt for Decken? That would probably make more sense after all.

Forgive me if this has already been explained in-universe. I'm currently reading Chapter 621.Son of God-Enel 20:44, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Fishman? Merman!
I don't remember if in his formal introduction it is said "Vander Decken IX is a ... fishman", but actually he has four legs, making his fish-like half-body the lowest, making him a merman. Am I right? --Meganoide 23:14, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Oh... now that you mention it. It's hard to determine when we have characters like the minister of the right or VD IX. So, do we just change this? Or was there possibly some kind of proof he was a fishman? 23:19, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Don't Merman usually have tails instead of legs? Panda 23:24, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

God I hate edit conflicts. The species description of his infobox in chapter 613 says he is a fishman. He is the first fishman to have multiple legs, but multiple limbs aren't unheard of, look at Hatchan and Muhhi. It looks like his legs don't split, but the width of his waist (running from tailbone to groin) is wider than normal to allow for the extra legs. 23:27, May 16, 2011 (UTC)