Talk:Edward Weevil

Weeble or Weevil?
Sorry, I was in a hurry when naming the page. I think his name might be Weevil, as that would follow the Shichibukai thematic of animal-themed names. Weeble/Weevil are pronounced the same, phonetically.

For those who are unfamiliar this is a weevil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weevil

If somebody could change it, I would be thankful. KingCannon (talk) 06:58, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Why dont we wait for the RAW, since we will rename the page for sure anyway. 11:43, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Raw: http://i.imgur.com/uWFc7Dp.jpg 16:02, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Alright let me close this by saying this:

In the japanese version it's "ウィーブル" That means that the "ィ" (i) part is pronounced longer, like "ee". Weevil in english, while written like this is usually pronounced quickly, sounding like "Uivul", while Weeble is pronounced longer, like "Uiibul". Because of this I think that Weeble is more accurate to the japanese version.

Grievous67 (talk) 14:42, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

I mean the pronunciation is VERY subjective, depending on the person. But take this for reference "Uevil" on a documentary, rather than "Ueevil" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN-WjdA6uUo

Grievous67 (talk) 14:53, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Except they clearly say it with a long e sound. It's like "evil" except with a w sound at the beginning. For comparison's sake, "ill" has a short sound while "eel" has a long one. 15:13, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

We trust official sources and the opinions of our 3 translators. And we will not base our spellings based on as you said "VERY subjective" idea of pronunciation, especially when you are not one of our 3 translators. If you have a problem with a spelling, ask User:Klobis, User:JapaneseOPfan, or User:MizuakiYume about it instead of trying to drag the whole wiki into it every time. But PLEASE do not bother them endlessly about it or argue with them. And it's important that you ask them "how should this be spelled?" instead of saying "It should be spelled like this, right?" so that our translators stay unbiased. The fact that you've started arguing on 3 separate spelling issues in less than 24 hours i,s as several people in the community have said, "rather annoying". 15:29, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

On this website, weevil (called 象虫 in japanese, literally elephant bug) is romanized the same way this guy's name is spelled. 18:29, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Still that's just the animal weevil, the same thing stephen said. That doesn't necessarely mean it's the correct spelling :/

We already talked of the whole zomushi thing before but it's still uncertain if weeble is also a reference to weevil or it's simply weevil. We've had a similar case with Gekko Moriah, where the animal isn't spelled directly in english.

Grievous67 (talk) 19:18, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Everyone uses weevil, why can't we? I vote to use Weevil

Joekido (talk) 19:38, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Well Viz uses Weevil, that's mostly where it comes from. Both Weeble and Weevil are techincally correct japanese translations so now it's simply the community's job to decide on one of the two.

I vote to use Weeble for the following reasons:

1. Weeble is a toy brand in the shape of Edward himself. It's a round egg-like shape. It seems Oda took a Weeble and added arms and legs to it. It's shape is way, waaaay closer than that of a Weevil insect

Here's a (poorly edited) image to give an example



Weevil insect: http://www.chris-schuster.com/pics/insects/beetles/weevil/weevil_1.jpg

2. Weeble is a name in a writing style very similar to a "mama's boy", the use of a double letter (ee) and the child-like pronounciation (like weewee or other childy words) do seem very close to his childish nature

Grievous67 (talk) 21:24, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

You're grasping at straws at this point, Grievous. Especially that second point. He only looks like the toy when you crop out everything besides his torso, anyway. And why would he look like a weevil? The Shichibukai only share a couple of characteristics with their animal (eg. Mihawk's hawk eyes), not their entire appearance. His mustache is like the antennas, there's your connection. 22:12, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, no offense Grievous but that seems to be a bit of a stretch... --I am a crooked man (talk) 22:14, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah exactly, that's actually what I'm saying, Weevil is much more of a stretch. Moriah only has the throat inflating, Crocodile has only the Captain Hook connection (Peter Pan is one of Oda's favorite movies), Boa only has the pet, Doflamingo only the pink cape etc...

Weevil is definetely his animal theme but I don't think it's necessarely the name. It's the same thing with Gekko Moriah. He's both Komori (bat) and Gekko (Gecko), but Gekko isn't spelled correctly

Grievous67 (talk) 22:40, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

We shouldn't name him based on a connection to his animal Theme, we should name him based on a direct translation 10:51, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

Moria comments belong on his page or the Shichibukai page. We have to go with the direct translation as Kaido said. Not like it matters since the whole thing about animal themes is fan speculation since only Law was ever given an actual theme by Oda. SeaTerror (talk) 16:47, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

You're right, I agree too. Since there isn't anyone else complaining about this I think we can close this, since everybody seems to agree on not using the animal theme.

Grievous67 (talk) 18:55, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

We're still waiting for a comment from Klobis, Grievous, and everybody did NOT agree. Kaido, the name can be "directly translated" in several ways. 19:28, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

If Klobis says either is correct, I say we use Weevil. 13:17, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Based on his shape, Weeble is the only logical choice. I suggest looking up the toy of the same name produced by Hasbro under the Playskool brand if you want to fully understand it. Besides, not all warlords have an animal theme. Law and Teach didn't. Buggy doesn't. We don't have to force ourselves to find one. 20:17, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I agree. While he kinda looks like a Weevil, the Weeble seems to match up more.

Also Weeble tends to speak rather childishly "Whitebeed", "Reweenge" so "Weeble" actually fits with his speech pattern too.

Grievous67 (talk) 20:22, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

By the way, no offence to Klobis or anything but we already discovered that both Weevil and Weeble are perfectly acceptable translations of "ウィーブル" (Wīburu). It's not really much of a matter of japanese here anymore, it's more on a decision on english now.

Grievous67 (talk) 22:25, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

I really fail to see how Weeble/Weevil looks like the toy brand. You even had to crop the image to prove a point. He's not egg-shaped at all.

Not to mention that Weeble/Weevil's mustache works as a Weevil's antenna. Long, thin and protruding.

I really think it should be Weevil. The reasoning for Weeble are all big stretches as far as I can see. KingCannon (talk) 16:22, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

1. The one for Weevil is an even bigger stretch, as it only has the claim that he resembles a bug. While the shape kinda looks like it, it's very vague, especially because there exist several species of Weevils, with varying shapes.

Take this race of Weevil for example: Weevil

2. His animal theme may be Weevil, but animal themes and Shichibukai haven't always matched (Gekko instead of Gecko)

3. Furthermore, Stephen Paul (Viz translator) already completely screwed up the name of his mother, calling her Buckin instead of Bakkin (バッキン CANNOT be translated to Buckin, Buckin is バキン), so I find it an unreliable source.

On the other hand the Weeble toy is a simplier shape which in my opinion fits Weeble more.

4. Furthermore "Weeble" is very similar to his speech pattern. "Weevenge", "Whitebeed", "Miwwow" all fit the way he talks, since he speaks like a child. It's like the kids saying "Weewee" or "Weener"

Weevil:

· It looks a bit like the Weevil insect.

Weeble:

· It looks a bit like a Weeble toy.

· Shichibukai animal themes don't always match

· Stephen's translation wasn't that reliable

· Speech Pattern

If any info arises/anime clear pronunciation/when the heck is the next databook coming out then we should change this, but for now I think it's better to just leave it as Weeble.

Grievous67 (talk) 17:02, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Seems like Klobis is not going to comment, so we'll have to resolve this ourselves. Well, JOP's link already proves that Weevil works as a translation. Gonna reply to Grievous's points though I doubt that'll do any good.

1. I already told you that the Shichibukai don't look like animals. They only have maybe one trait from their animal theme, that's it. It's ridiculous to claim that weevil can't be his animal theme because he doesn't look like one.

2. Moria's animal theme is bat, which is "komori" in Japanese. Gekko Moria. Also in regards to DP's statement about not all Shichibukai having an animal theme, those ones weren't introduced as Shichibukai, they only became one later. All the ones introduced as Shichibukai have had an animal theme.

3. Please don't try to act like you're an expert in Japanese again.

4. In the translation. Do you have any idea how his speech pattern works in Japanese?

But yeah, I support what KingCannon said. Let's use Weevil. 17:24, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

It's been forever, the only reason this page is Weeble is because of Mangapanda and an unconfirmed toy reference. It's Weevil and we're done here, unless your username is Klobis and you want to post. 17:45, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Your animal theme logic is so flawed I don't even know where to begin. To start with, not all warlords have animal themes. Examples include Law, Teach, Buggy, and this guy, regardless of when/how they were introduced. That consistency ended when Teach joined. I really don't see how he resembles a weevil at all. Seriously, look up pictures of weevils and you'll see this guy bears no thematic resemblance to one. And if you're going to argue larva, that could be said about any beefy character. Possible toy relation aside, to say this guy has a weevil theme is outright wrong. Show me how he specifically bears thematic resemblance to a weevil and I'll admit I'm in the wrong. Just because Mangapanda messes stuff up, that doesn't mean they mess everything up. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, and Weeble was the baby. 21:57, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly as I already said we can't use am "animal theme" thing for a basis as a name since the only one that had an actual theme was Law. The rest were just fan speculation stemming from character names. Either way it doesn't matter since he does not look like a Weeble or a weevil. SeaTerror (talk) 22:18, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

1. You're getting it wrong, I'm saying that his animal theme MAY be a Weevil but it probably

2. As literally stated on his page, Moriah has a double theme. One is Koumori (bat), but he also has a gecko theme, since when he turns into the Shadow's Asgard monster, his throat inflates like that of a gecko and he assumes a quadrupedal position.

3. I'm not trying to act like a japanese expert, nor I claim to be a mothertongue, very far from it, but I've studied enough japanese to know the katakana alphabet and to be able to translate katakana names. Of course somebody like Jopie is more reliable, but at this point the japanese version is pointless as both Weeble and Weevil are translations of "ウィーブル" as stated before. So again without offence, I don't think that Klobis will make any difference, his choice would just be another opinion as japanese does not matter here.

4. Yes, his japanese speech pattern boils down to "Shiroshige" and similar sentences, I'm just referring to the logical english translation, which for any child is usually "Weewee" and other words.

And again, I 100% agree that Weevil probably ISN'T his animal theme, it's what I've been trying to say all along. I agree with DancePowderer here. (At first I thought DP's comment was aimed at me and I was "WTF?" XD)

Anyways, this is very divided, so we shouldn't edit the page's name yet.

People decided on

Weeble: Me, DancePowderer, Kaido

Weevil: Joekido, Awaikage, JustSomeDude

Neutral: SeaTerror, Koromo

Grievous67 (talk) 22:58, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Awaikage, I know that you really want to name him as Weevil, but with no offence, you should wait for the decision of the community on this, as it is still very split, including another admin voting for Weeble. We shouldn't alter the page's name until we get a definitive answer, even less lock the page's name.

Grievous67 (talk) 23:02, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Since this is going forever I reccomend doing a poll. It is the only reasonable way to solve this as it's been very divisive and long discussed.

Grievous67 (talk) 23:13, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

I never said I supported the name being Weeble; I only entered the discussion because I felt it was going in the wrong direction. I didn't want to argue for any name because I have little knowledge of the Japanese language. We have it from a translator that Weevil has the most going for it (romaji, pronunciation) and the only argument I see for Weeble is his body shape. That was conclusive enough to close the discussion. 23:47, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Well as said before japanese doesn't matter anymore but we should just close this off with a poll. This is getting way too violent and is going for way too long. If nobody's against it I think it's better to settle it by starting a poll in a couple days, because this is going too far.

By the way, Jopie just pointed out that Weevil is Zomushi and works as romanization, but Weeble works equally as romanization. "ウィーブル" (Wīburu) can be both Weeble or Weevil, nothing to discuss here. The etymology is purely english now.

Grievous67 (talk) 10:52, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Allright, this subject has been fought way too long and people are starting to get very agressive over this subject. This is the easiest way to solve this at this point.

'''Please keep in mind that "ウィーブル" (Wīburu) translates to both "Weevil" and "Weeble", as they both fit perfectly. The etymology for both words is english so do not be afraid to choose.'''

If you disagree with this poll please discuss it here rather than just deleting it by force.

This is the best way to peacefully solve this without having any users discuss, insult or fight any longer. Grievous67 (talk) 11:03, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Let me add my points for thinking it is Weeble instead of Weevil. Feel free to add any more points to this or even add any to why you think it is Weevil. Do not be afraid to voice your opinion.

1. Edward resembles the shape of a Weeble toy. It still is a bit vague, but it could be.

2. Weeble speaks like a child, when translated to english (how a little snotty kid speaks in english) words like "Whitebeer" or "Weevenge" pop up, making his name fit with his english speech pattern (notice that the name is also english). It's the same thing as how children say "Weewee" or "Weener".

3. Stephen's translation that week was not reliable, since he already messed up bakkin's name (The katakana is "バッキン" (bakkin) NOT " バキン" (bakin)) which we already all agreed on.

4. While Weeble does kinda resemble a Weevil (zomushi), Weevils exist in many different shapes (just take a look: https://www.google.es/search?q=weevil&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI-ICPpfLLyAIVA78UCh1BbgOX&biw=1233&bih=699).

Furthermore shichibukai names aren't always accurate to their animal themes (for example gekko moriah, has the "komori" (Bat) theme but also the Gecko theme, as seen when he turns into shadows asgard, where his neck inflates like that of a gecko and he assumes quadrupedal position) and as discussed by some, animal themes are still very vague.

Feel free to add any ideas for why it could be Weeble or any ideas for why it could be Weevil.

Grievous67 (talk) 11:18, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Dont go deciding this on your own, nobody ever said you should make a poll or anything, jfc. 12:15, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Who removed this from active discussions? Awaikage clearly stated "We're still waiting for a comment from Klobis, Grievous, and everybody did NOT agree"

This is still way too divided, I insist on this poll. This is just getting out of hand, it's gonna get even worse than the Monet talk or the Beta talk, people are raping the wikia guidelines at this point.

"This is an active talk page. Please participate if you wish to make changes to the subject at hand. Remember to remain calm and civil throughout the discussion!"

"Personal attacks between users are not permitted on talk pages. Continuing this activity may result in a ban."

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/One_Piece_Encyclopedia:Guidebook/Talk_Pages_and_Forums

Breaking of this rules: "Jesus Fucking Christ" "The fact that you started arguing is "rather annoying"" "Please don't try like you are an expert in japanese again"

This are entirely disrespectful and break the wikia guidelines, even coming from admins who should behave more respectfully than other people.

I'm sorry but this is completely getting out of hand, we need democracy at this point. We've had him appear for 2 weeks and there's already over 70 edits on the talk page, this needs to stop.

We NEED a poll, I don't want any more unnecessary fighting to be had. Stop this stupid "bloodshed" once and for all.

Grievous67 (talk) 14:12, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

We need democarcy right? In a democartic state the majority's opinion is supposed to be heard, not one person's. Dont talk about the wiki being un-democtatic when you are the only one with that opinion, because hearing your opnion would be dectatorship. And if you think that everyone is disrespectuf against you, think if YOU are disrespectful against US. 14:22, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

I said there are already other people, including an admin, dancepowderer, who are intersted in Weeble. I always respected the choice of Weevil as long as we came to a logic conclusion.

I have never said necessarely that Weevil is wrong or other's opinions are wrong, in fact as I said "or even add any to why you think it is Weevil. Do not be afraid to voice your opinion."

I'm sorry but right now you're behaving without respect, you're straight out calling me "dictatorship"

I respect the opinions of everybody here, as long as they respect the opinions of everybody else.

I would not respect somebody who chose Weeble if he did it without respect

Grievous67 (talk) 14:40, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Just stop this stupid arguing and just do the freaking poll. Both of you calm your tones down and decide democratically, there are different opinions and admins on both sides. This is a ban worthy situation, so control yourself staw.

88.12.191.151 14:43, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Grievous, you don't make any sense any more. Are you for Weeble or Weevil? Just a one word reply. It's that simple.

14:47, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Zephyr
Is he the warlord who cut Zephyr's arm? 121.54.54.135 10:34, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

That is non-canon and will likely never be answered. 11:47, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

how is that non-canon ? the story of zephr should be canon, if not how did he lose his arm ? Marco 1907 (talk) 12:48, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

What? Zephyr is a non-canon character. His story is non-canon. His arm is also non-canon. 12:57, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Z is perfectly canon, Oda only said it was non-canon so fans are not obligated to watch the movie as he wants the manga to be enough to understand the story. Z's story perfectly fits with the rest of the series and was supervised by the author himself. The same goes for Strong World. I assume Weeble is the man that cut Z's arm and that info should be included in this page.KishinZoro177 (talk) 13:28, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

No. I don't care why Oda said it. If he said he was non-canon, he is bloody well non-canon. And no, that is 100% pure speculation. This shouldn't even be discussed. 14:10, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Judging from how things are going, it seems like applying the warning textile !-- -- would be best to alert people to stop doing this.It will remain hidden and tell people not to keep editing like this. I just had to stop myself because was feeling hyped over Weeble's reveal. Thunderush (talk) 14:32, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Weeble did not cut Z's arm off. End of discussion.

14:44, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

IF this fact is confirmed in the manga, which I highly doubt, then we will add it in the article. If not, then you shouldnt even discuss that. 16:00, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

As everybody else already said it isn't canon since Oda said so. Besides that it's dumb to think he did it since Z would have lost his arm before the story even began since we knew who all 3 admirals were pre timeskip. SeaTerror (talk) 18:14, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Okay even if Z is not canon, inside the realm of the non-canoness (which accepts all the canon material) did Weeble cut Z's arm? It's either him or a 16 year old Law so...

Grievous67 (talk) 18:23, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Or someone became a Shichibukai and resigned again within a short amount of time, like Blackbeard. We don't know. We can't say. Should be end of discussion. 18:27, October 1, 2015 (UTC)