User talk:Rgilbert27

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Re:Character Infoboxes
Just copy-paste an existing one, and change the data. Rhavkin (talk) 04:06, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

If any user have problems with anything that is worth keeping, the wiki as a community will help fix them. Rhavkin (talk) 09:41, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Leo (Non-Canon)
My bad if I made it confusing, but what I meant was that, normally if two characters have the same name, the other is distinguished by country or profession if possible. It stands out less than "Non-Canon."Nightmare Pirates (talk) 01:19, July 8, 2019 (UTC)

As an example, Race (Non-Canon) was moved to Race (Character) because the reason used by Kaido was "Better, more informative title." Same with Leo, cook is more informative than non-canon.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 01:28, July 8, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Categories
Like who for example? Rhavkin (talk) 23:13, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

They are not "youth groups", they are groups of children. No need for special treatment due to group members age. Rhavkin (talk) 23:29, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

Did you read the Forum:Category Creation and Removal? If there are less then five pages, and it can be fitted in another category (like simply Organizations) there shouldn't be a separate category. And you can't force something into a category just so it'll fit, like calling the Usopp Pirates not real. Rhavkin (talk) 23:46, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

Being a pirate and being a criminal are two different things. By your logic, the Tontatta Pirates, Ideo Pirates and Yonta Maria Grand Fleet aren't pirates, and the Straw Hats crew weren't pirates until after Arlong Park. Rhavkin (talk) 00:54, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

As I said "Being a pirate and being a criminal are two different things". You just gave more examples that support my claim. Just accept that not all of your ideas for new categories are good nor acceptable after what has been decided in the forum. Not all notions pan out, this is life. Rhavkin (talk) 01:05, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Actually you did, even if you didn't noticed. You said it yourself that Luffy and Zoro were labeled pirates but they didn't commit any crime at that time. I don't know what the Sai thing was about, he is a criminal, a self declared pirate, and was in Mary Geoise. How is that relate to pirates and criminals are different? And I don't have to accept anything that there aren't even evidences to support it. Rhavkin (talk) 01:29, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

A tree falls in the woods... Rhavkin (talk) 07:41, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Youth Groups
Like what? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:06, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

You listed four pages. The required minimum is five, since those groups are already categorized under Organizations. There is also nothing significant about these groups consisting of children/teenagers. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:13, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Not unless there is any significance in the ages of the members. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:31, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Block
You have been told, multiple times, not to make large changes to the history sections without discussing it first. In light of your actions this morning, you have been blocked for one week. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:02, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

What's wrong with discord? Still did you look at the edits before changing them this time around?Rgilbert27 (talk) 14:39, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Mt. Atama Thieves
Rg, please stop remove "ep=" and qref names from references. They are important parts of references. Thanks. 23:28, July 26, 2019 (UTC)

Groups Bounty
groups bounty references are one that list the bounty holder and their bounties, and a second that reference when the new became the current, which is usually by joining a crew or receiving a new bounty. Personal bounty references are in the characters page. Rhavkin (talk) 19:06, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

First of all, please don't redo edits while we are still talking about it. Now as for what we should do, for the I don't know how many time, if it is against what we've been doing so far, and there wasn't a talk about; START A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT IN A FORUM FIRST. Rhavkin (talk) 19:18, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

Are you serious? I am the one that should start a forum because you have an issue? And stop redoing the edits. I don't know what's the history of the Blackbeard Pirates, but one page being different doesn't mean all pages should be edited. If the only problem is the Blackbeard Pirates so a forum isn't needed, go to the page talk page. Rhavkin (talk) 19:36, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

I don't want to get into the Blackbeard Pirates topic, but either way, even the Straw Hats don't have individual bounty references. Rhavkin (talk) 20:16, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

So? Rhavkin (talk) 20:53, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

Still doesn't change the fact we don't use personal bounty references. Rhavkin (talk) 21:38, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

You're being very rude. I'm trying to explain your mistakes so you won't repeat them, and you don't have to replay to the messages as soon as you receive them, that's on you to make your scheduled with other project, and it's not like I can guess what you're doing at any time. Go head and what you want, it will still be undo and you will eventually be banned again.

And the Straw Hats don't have personal bounty references, just like any other crew. Rhavkin (talk) 21:59, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

Categories
Stop making more categories when nobody agrees with the ones you make. SeaTerror (talk) 18:57, August 15, 2019 (UTC)

Whole Cake Chateau Rooftop Characters had a consensus for deletion. It's part of the issue of category spam in general, which people are opposed to. 09:10, August 17, 2019 (UTC)

Another "confirm" issue
Your vandalism is for ignoring edit summary and constant disregard of wiki rules like you not referencing information you now where to find, while I simply, don't think the citation is necessary in Trivia section. So again, if YOU want to add the reference, YOU should be the one to do the whole work, and not have someone else do it for you. Just learn how to use Qref yourself. Rhavkin (talk) 20:46, August 25, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I do know how to use it, but way should I use it for something you want to add? And if you think any reference should be on any page, just add it. Why can't you understand that the Confirm is for statements with no known source, and not for a missing Qref? Rhavkin (talk) 21:28, August 25, 2019 (UTC)

You read the manga and watch the anime. Rhavkin (talk) 04:55, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

You don't need to read the whole manga every year to fix your overusing confirm on Wano arc. Are you using confirm just to gain support for you binge idea? Rhavkin (talk) 05:04, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

If you want to fix any problem with any page, then fix it, don't create more works for someone else. Rhavkin (talk) 05:40, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

So it's a large task that will take sometime. Still, if YOU want to do it, YOU do the work. Rhavkin (talk) 05:56, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

You're going personal; it is not. I'm not saying I'm better, but why should I do the work for something you want to do? Rhavkin (talk) 06:12, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

No, I do not a source for cliff notes, just somewhat good memory. And the time you spend reading articles without referencing, adding confirm, and arguing, you could have reread whatever you wanted. Your last excuse was you wanted to watch the MCU films before the new one, and now you mention reading the Harry Potter books before the last one, It seem that you like rebingeing so why not do it in your own time. Rhavkin (talk) 06:38, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Binge, in this case, has only one meaning: consecutive watching of a show till a certain point. You can also binge read with the same definition. Your idea for improving the pages is to binge the entire series? One saga at a time? One arc at a time? Fine, go ahead, don't drag user user into this. And my memory is not flaunted, it just help me roughly remember when each event occurred, and then I go to the source material and double check, confirm, pin point, and\or disprove the statement. Rhavkin (talk) 07:22, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

I stream it, and if you believe it can help go ahead and do it. Don't force others to do it for you. Rhavkin (talk) 07:54, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Using the confirm instead of doing the work yourself forces other to reread\rewatch for the source. You can google search for "Watch One Piece online" and pick any site you want. Rhavkin (talk) 08:03, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Rider
My English is far from best, are you talking about a category for characters who rides on a vehicle or an animal? Rhavkin (talk) 16:03, August 28, 2019 (UTC)

But aren't like roughly 80% of the characters we've seen so far has ridden a boat? That is a massive category that doesn't give much. Rhavkin (talk) 20:29, August 28, 2019 (UTC)

Would you still include one time riders like the Straw Hats riding on the Super Spot-Billed Duck Troops? and you still didn't explain how this would help navigate the wiki. Which parent category were you thinking about adding this category to? are all reverent character already part of that category? Rhavkin (talk) 04:19, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

What number of times do you think is required to be part of the riders category? Does it even matter if the character rode in different styles like Sanji who have ridden on a SSBDT, the Puffin Tom, Cerberus, a Flaying Fish, Caesar balloon, Rabiyan... I don't see how Yagara riders are different from ship riders. Also neither of those are actually an "ability" someone learn. Riding a vehicle is also different from riding an animal since the animal do most of the work. Rhavkin (talk) 09:47, August 29, 2019

What you sent me refer only to steeds and two wheeled vehicles, from memory it means Smoker, Doc Q, Tonjit, Aokiji, generic Fire tank Pirates, Franky, Cavendish, Hawkins, Kin'emon, and Inuarashi. Now, how will this help navigate the wiki better? Rhavkin (talk) 10:57, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

The link you gave me has "One who rides, often on a horse or a motorcycle." If its anyone who even ridden anything, then the category is to vague, if it is by specific riding method, and all of then are in a larger "Riders" category it would be more easy to navigate, but you still didn't show any necessity for this category, nor relevant to an existing parent category. Rhavkin (talk) 12:17, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

The name is not the problem, is it needed? what problem does it solve? adding an additional category without benefit like downsizing an overcrowded existing category, or for a new power\ability users, and for the sole reason of having it existing is pointless. Not harmful or against the rules, but many users will object to it just becuse it has no real value. Rhavkin (talk) 13:16, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

It isn't a question of who can do it, it is a question about what makes "someone who rides an animal or a bike" into a raider fitting the category. Rhavkin (talk) 18:54, August 29, 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Rhavkin that such a category is unnecessary, since it is not an occupation and could potentially be applied to just about anyone. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 03:45, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Royal Guards
I know but this is more specific. Cracker-Kun (talk) 21:03, August 28, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Color Scheme
Sure. Do you have a list of topics that needs a CS? Do you have a specific colors in mind? Rhavkin (talk) 18:42, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

Why should Movie 1 have one if almost none of the other movies has one? And Mary Geoise is part of the World Government who has a color scheme. Rhavkin (talk) 03:45, September 16, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Roji
I'm not sure if I have an opinion at the moment. Regardless, that was the original version. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 01:50, September 16, 2019 (UTC)

Wikitext
Capitalizing but   (without space) it wouldn't identify the number as a number, just digits. Rhavkin (talk) 05:33, July 11, 2020 (UTC)

Centaurs
I really don't understand what point your trying to make. You said there was no source. I repeatedly gave you the source (if you want the specific episodes, then it's possible to find one or two in the sources for the portraits). However, you just keep deleting them and claiming there's no source when I keep mentioning it. Now you say there's no pages, but no pages does not equal unsourced.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:07, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Again, they aren't real names. And I am pretty sure the wiki won't allow them to be made, but that does not mean we go and remove it just because it doesn't have a page. There is no rule on the wiki that says "If no page is made, name must be deleted." The anime credited them as Hyoutauros and Kirintauros. They aren't actual names, so I am not in the position to argue with wiki rules.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:19, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean I've been sitting on this for a year and a half. Before I updated them, it said Leopard Centaur and we aren't supposed to translate stuff on wiki. So I put what they are credited as because that is the most accurate. I find there no need to create a page for something in which even myself does not believe is a real name. If you want there to be a page, then you can make it, but it will likely be subject to scrutiny because there will be people that say "This is not a real name." But just because there is no page, does not mean it is not the correct terminology. If anything, you can consider it a subspecies of Centaurs. We can put animal species' names in galleries and they do not need to have their own page.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 05:46, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Again, I don't think they are allowed to have a page by wiki precedent. Taking it up with me is useless, all I'm stating is the names have sources and there you have it. If you want to bring it up in the talk page for centaurs or wherever that they should have a page, go for it, I'll support that. But you can't force someone to write a page for what isn't allowed. All I am saying is even if there is no page, does not mean you can delete stuff, especially since you kept mentioning sources which was clearly not the problem. That is a really counterproductive way of trying to highlight a completely different issue.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:16, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

They are credited in the credits. I cannot show you, you need to look at that yourself like any other character. And again, they are not real names, more like species names. I'm not even sure we allowed to list them on episode or chapter pages, because again (in my opinion) they aren't real names. We don't list stuff like "Mocha's mom" in episode character lists either because they aren't real names.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:40, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

No rule against that. If you want, I'll create their own section for them on the Centaur page when I have the time, but it's probably going to be short and go in the trivia section as I don't really want to rewatch or reread Punk Hazard at this point.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:54, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

I connected it to Centaur Patrol Unit page and put a quick reference.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 07:03, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

That's good that you made that page, but that one has an actual name. This name is more of a description, but my point is, it is more accurate than Leopard Centaur or Giraffe Centaur because if you direct translate then it would be Leopardtaur and Giraffetaur, especially since even the English versions credited it as Hyoutauros and Kirintauros.--Nightmare Pirates (talk) 07:08, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Not to jump in the middle of a discussion, and this might not even be related (I haven't read your discussion so far), but as I was trying to say to Rgilbert27, a character name reference shouldn't be on the group page. If there is enough content for a page or section per character, that fine, but if there is not enough for a single paragraph it is better suited elsewhere. Maybe include Luffy meeting then in the group history section and mention their names there and have a reference to both the event and the naming. The members section is used for descriptions in very few times (Super Spot-Billed Duck Troops, Tsumegeri Guards, Heart Pirates, etc.). Rhavkin (talk) 20:53, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Could you please stop adding random suggestions to talk page discussions? Changing section names on episode pages has nothing to do with Hyoutaurus or Kirintaurus. Please stay on topic. 00:15, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

Udon Prisoners
There's the rename category feature now, couldn't you have done it - making it unnecessary to add categories to characters and delete the older one - or is it somehow protected? StoopidGuy (talk) 03:38, July 20, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, haha. But I thought letting you know would be positive anyway. StoopidGuy (talk) 03:50, July 20, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Image
Yup, no problem. Cdwp22 (talk) 09:45, July 23, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Bot
I have a bot account but it's not an actual bot, just for hiding mass edits from Recent changes. Why? 15:31, July 25, 2020 (UTC)

Removed them. 16:22, July 25, 2020 (UTC)

Re:J-WORLD Tokyo
There are no external links because the park closed and has no website. And no, I was not planning on making a page for the park on other wikis. 23:53, July 29, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the sources I used have information about the Dragon Ball and Naruto areas. 01:46, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

Apparently, I guess. That is the term the source used. 01:50, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Image
Due to a lack of a digitally-accessible version of the image, I have to take a picture of the TV screen by myself. This is taken from the eyecatcher of Episode 531 of the Filipino dub.

(Right, Ed?) 02:04, August 3, 2020 (UTC)​ (Right, Ed?) 02:04, August 3, 2020 (UTC)​

Referencing Concerns
Funny. I don't think you were that concerned about referencing for whoever wrote that personality section previously.

I'll put them later. Rewriting articles to make them presentable is difficult, double so if I have to interrupt myself to check the exact chapter and page something happens. Triple so when there were no references to begin with, so I can't just edit them. It's a time-consuming task.

At least I'm trying to do something for those articles instead of bothering the work of others. It's frankly ridiculous when many of those articles contain false info, contradictions and blatant mistakes, but your concern is with references. I know it's important to source, but this stance is almost hypocritical when everything's so badly written, with many articles needing rework. KingCannon (talk) 02:29, August 7, 2020 (UTC)

Re: non-canon
They are already put like that, those edits on the category don't change the code. Cracker-Kun (talk) 17:34, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

Reference
Yes I know how to leave a reference.

A double {, followed by the Ref. Then you put in a divider |, whatever that thing is actually called.

You type “name=c“ followed by the chapter number. You add dividers and do the same for the page number of the chapter that the info can be found on, as well as the episode number if it’s already been in the anime. Substituting the “c” for a “p” and “e” respectively.

Another divider and a sentence describing the reference.

Finally, a double } to close it. (GoldenOath20 (talk) 06:18, August 19, 2020 (UTC))

Reference II: Electric Boogaloo
You're going to have to be more specific on that count... as far as I know I've stuck references to 95% of everything I've added so far. Is it about the 4Kids dub commentary? I might fall a bit behind on those because I'm not sure of the proper way to reconcile the ref system with 4Kids' f'ed-up episode numbering. RubberLotus (talk) 05:32, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Amber Lead Syndrome
Why did you remove the Sicknesses Category from the Amber Lead Syndrome redirect page? Look at Talk:Amber Lead and discuss there why you're against that decision.StoopidGuy (talk) 11:38, August 26, 2020 (UTC)

Why keep the one that doesn’t look like shanks.. it’s literally the one from ep 8 --Gol D theories (talk) 03:15, August 28, 2020 (UTC)

Images source and category
Sorry for all the trouble, i've fix it. Phiffou (talk) 12:53, September 13, 2020 (UTC+2)

Re:Canon
I mean, you could include a reference by their name next to the SBS reference that notes that they were also named in an episode. But I don't really think the page gains anything by mentioning that they were first named in an anime episode, unless there is a discrepancy which there isn't in this instance. What's important is giving a source for the character's name, and the SBS is a much better source than anime credits. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:20, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

What confusion? Not mentioning the episode doesn't hurt any page because all the episode provided was the name, and we now have a canon source for the name. What does it impede us from doing? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:36, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by other pages being overlooked? I still don't see why it is necessary. There is nothing major about a character first being named in a non-canon source before being named in a canon one; it's happened to over 3 dozen characters. At the end of the day, the aim is to provide a source for the recently named characters, and the SBS is far better than the anime in achieving that goal. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:20, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Why is a character being named by a non-canon source and then a canon source significant? I still fail to see how that necessitates mentioning. If a character was named in the manga, it really makes no difference if they were named in the anime beforehand, unless the anime name was different. If they were named in the anime but not the manga/SBS, they'll get a page with the category you linked until they are named in canon. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:43, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Your talk about "repeating history" creates the impression that some sort of issue occurred with this topic in the past. Correct me if I have forgotten, but I do not recall this having been an issue at any point. As of now, we have a pretty good system: categorize the canon characters named in the anime, remove said category once they get named in a canon source. Can you give me clear and concrete reasons why we should record instances of noncanon name source -> canon name source? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:50, September 16, 2020 (UTC)

Well, if you find the right words feel free to relay them to me. And I haven't seen anyone except you who thinks there is a problem. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:20, September 16, 2020 (UTC)

re:Delete
Done. 03:25, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Minor Characters
Please limit the amount of really minor characters you put into the galleries. One or two notable unknowns might be okay, but if they appeared in one scene, and are multiple, that detracts from the value of the gallery. Also, portraits need to be square, such as 500 by 500, or 395 by 395, or 678 by 678.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 21:01, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Depending on what kind of program you're using, they should show it somewhere. Like when you are selecting where to crop, there should be numbers somewhere.--Nightmare Pirates (talk) 21:09, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Also, just because they appear doesn't mean they are notable. They should at the very least have multiple appearances if you're going to add so many characters. For example in the Water 7 Gallery, there is no way the elevator girl or the vendor is notable.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 21:15, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

File:Rittonto's Mole Portrait.png isn't square. Check the dimensions of images before you upload them. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:37, September 21, 2020 (UTC)

Confirm Tag Additions
Why do you think edits like these are productive?

Are you not caught up with the series?

Have you not read the chapter that was released today?

If you know the source, is it not better for the wiki for you to add the reference as opposed to the Confirm tag? It takes about an equivalent amount of work, especially if the chapter that the information comes from is already referenced on the page.

This behavior does nothing for the wiki and is not acceptable. Consider this a warning. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:02, September 27, 2020 (UTC)

Punk Hazard
The box you're pointing at for "Center Lake" uses the same Japanese text as the box at the start of Chapter 671. It's a description of the lake and its placement; it's not a title. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 01:36, September 29, 2020 (UTC)