Forum:Names Again

I'd just like to say that I really think this site is terrible with names. They erase every correction I make, i.e. Sir Crocodile, Sanjuan Wolf, and Monkey D Luffy.

1. Sir Crocodile is most likely Crocodile's full name, or at the very least Sir is his title every time he is fully introduced (he's one of the rare characters to have a formal introduction twice) his name is written サー•クロコダイル, which translates to Sir Crocodile. But every time I change this, it is changed back. I'm willing to admit that it might be a title, but if that is the case then they should remove the Don from Don Krieg's page. Because Don is definitely not part of Krieg's name. He's just Krieg, check out his Wanted poster that's all that their is written. P.S. Almost every Japanese site spells Crocodile's name out as サー•クロコダイル when introducing him (including the official Japanese One Piece site).

Here's a message a left the user KDom after he reversed my edits concerning Sir Crocodile's name:

"Well if you read the original Japanese raws when he is introduced you can see that his name is spelled　サー•クロコダイル chapter 155、 the Japanese site when introducing him also calls him サー•クロコダイル: http://www.j-onepiece.com/chapter02/story/story5_1.html. Characters occasionally, including Nico Robin, call him サー•クロコダイル. I was inclinded to think that this was only a title as a Royal Shichibukia until I read chapter 540 in the original Japanese, which still introduced him as サー•クロコダイル. Having the title Sir after being revoked of his status as a Shichibukai. Also this isn't a title of the Shichibukai at all. When Jinbei is introduced, his name is simply stated as ジンベエ not サー•ジンベエ. So I'm inclined to go with the original Japanese manga over the character book. What do you think?"

2. Sanjuan Wolf. For some reason someone on this site thinks Sanjuan Wolf name should be San Juan Wolf. If that was the case then his name in Japanese would have been spelled サン•ファン•ワルフ, but it isn't it's spelled サンファン•ワルフ. Every character in the original text of One Piece has the spaces in their names separated by the marker •, even in speech bubbles. Even titles such as Captain or Don are separated by the mark •. So why is サンファン•ワルフ translated San Juan Wolf? Because of the places? Well he's not those places, his name is very simular but until we see a Wanted Poster showing the correcting spelling we should all assume there is no space.

3. Monkey D Luffy. Actually this goes to towards the entire D clan. For some reason this site feels the necessary to put a period after every D in the D clansmen's names. Here why that is wrong. If you put a period after the D it signifies that it has been shortened. The D is not shortened. That this entire name. Luffy's full name isn't Monkey Delware Luffy, It's Monkey D Luffy. The periods after the Ds are errors. No one in the series has stated anything for us to believe that there is more to the name than just D. It is true that the name D might stand for something but the name itself is just D, until proven otherwise. P.S. technically speaking Luffy's name is spelled out Monkey•D•Luffy. That's how it's spelled on his wanted poster dots and all. His wanted poster is the only one shown that has those dots.

Edit: I forgot to include my strongest point for the D not having a period. Read chapter 574, when Portgas D Rouge names her son, she says Gol D Ace. Now when naming your child don't you think that you would say his whole name, and not just an initial? That's because she did.

So I implore this site to fix these errors, as I have tried and have been stopped every step of the way. Mr.S 13:14 May 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1. See Crocodile talk page.


 * 2. This is how the 'San Juan' written in Japanese.


 * 3. D is a middle initial.


 * No one in the series has stated anything for us to believe that there is more to the name than just D.

Oda stated. Tipota 13:47, May 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1. Ok, all that proves is that I haven't been the first to point out that Crocodile's surname is most likely Sir. Which raises the questions of why there is no mention of Sir at all in his page.


 * 2. You are still ignoring that every character's name in One Piece is spaced by •. And by the way San Juan is spelled multiple ways in Japanese the most common being サンフアン and サンワン. Both of which are different from the One Piece character's name サンファン. Katakana is a far than perfect phonetic alphabet used to try and convert foreign words into Japanese to make them easier to say by native Japanese speakers. Just because a character's name is spelled out similar word in Katakana doesn't mean they are have the exact spelling when translated into the roman alphabet and vice versa (see the multiple San Juan spellings above). So that argument is null if you ask me.


 * 3. Please state in which volume that the SBS states that Oda says this. I'll go to a Book Off tomorrow and check it out. But even then, if it does stand for something that doesn't mean that it's an initial. My full middle name can be Seph, and I was named after Sephiroth. That doesn't mean my name is spelling of the name Someone Seph. Somebody. If it is true that the D is an initial I'm very curious that no character seems to be aware of what the rest of the name means. And if they aren't aware of it then that would mean that it is currently just D. Maybe their will be an event later that will cause characters to somewhat change their names adding to the D. But as of now nothing suggests in the manga that their is anymore to D than just D. Again I could be wrong but I would like to read the original Japanese SBS where he says there is more to the name than D.Mr.S 14:46, May 25, 2010 (UTC)Mr.S


 * Chopper does not have a dot between the 2 Tony and we do not write it Tonytony. Since the D are a very particular case I don't think they should be considered. In the romanisation you gave there isn't a dot either. It's obviously a reference to the spanish surname, so I think it settles the case. Kdom 20:23, May 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * While this is definitely the most convincing argument anyone has presented yet, the only thing I consider confirmed is that Chopper's given name is spelled Chopper. There has been no official spelling of his surname. His wanted poster only has Chopper written. What we do not is that every other wanted poster that does have a space (Roronoa Zoro, and Nico Robin) all have dots to separate their names. So I'm inclined to believe that Chopper's full name may well be Tonytony Chopper. Also those other names I gave don't have a dot because they aren't names from the One Piece manga. They are actually names of places and people in Japanese spelled in our world, not the manga. That was my point. In the One Piece MANGA every name is separated by a •. Even titles like Captain, Don have a • when used with a name. Mr.S 01:09, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * For Chopper's name there has been an official spelling in various official sources such as the Yellow data book.Mugiwara Franky 03:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the D in the name, it has been constantly been pointed out in the manga itself that it's an initial. In Whitebeard's last drink with Roger, he asked Roger what the D stands for. Robin also asked Saul the same question.Mugiwara Franky 03:25, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Can I remind you here Mr. S that the Japanese text is what Oda, Japanese, is trrying to convey in Japanese. There HAVE been cases where name and Latin do not work out the same or have about 3 translations (see Thriller Bark). To simply say "we're wrong" is incorrect, and to say your "correct" is incorrect, because sometimes there ISN'T a definate answer yet. And we NOT get one for YEARS. We do the best we can where.