Talk:Gomu Gomu no Mi

Subpage Categories
Should there be a category for the tabbed pages? It could be called Devil Fruit Subpages. 23:38, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it would be better to have a hidden category "Tabbed Subpages" with all subpages in it (be they Char subpages, DF subpages, etc.). After all they are not categories users are meant to visit, their only purpose is to not leave the subpages uncategorized.

Elephant Gun: Haki version of gigant pistol or bullet?Is it possible that the elephant gun is an enhanced version of gigant bullet? In the manga he definitely stretches his arm upwards but due to the 3-dimensional nature of his location it's not so clear whether or not that is backwards or not.213.7.220.185 10:07, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Manywikis (talk) 17:05, January 17, 2013 (UTC) most likely pistol considering its luffys signiture move.

Gomu Gomu no Mi, Paramecia or Logia?
I've been wondering of something... how do we know Gomu Gomu no Mi isn't a Logia type and not Paramecia? Logia fruits are the ones that turns your body into something, like Kizaru is light, Ace is fire, Akainu is magma, Aokiji is Ice and so on and so on.. so doesn't thar make the Gomu Gomu no Mi a Logia type?

-Some random chick

If you're actually serious, rubber is not an element and Luffy can neither let objects pass through him, nor can they be absorbed into his body. This is also why we have categories, to point this stuff out. 22:10, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

This is a pointless discussion because the author named it a Paramecia, however, several of the fruits in the series do seem to break their categorization rules. This is one of them. I would say Luffy is the only true Logia user in the series, as his body is ALWAYS rubber. And while yes, rubber isn't an element, neither is darkness. Neither is "swamp" or whatever Caribou has. I think one of the movies has a logia user who is made of Syrup too? At any rate, about objects passing through his body...we haven't seen a tangigle logia yet, like the earth earth fruit, but when we do objects probably won't be able to pass through it. I actually was thinking of this topic, and this metaphor of the stone stone man, before I watched Dress Rosa, I am not sure how they are going to define Pika's fruit, but...yeah.192.152.24.115 10:26, August 28, 2015 (UTC)MFBK


 * This, and it was actually confirmed by Oda. I added the ref.

Rubber actually is an natural element  and all logia do not let things pass through there body or be aborbsed the darkness fruit ,ice fruit and wood fruit are examples of this  but I think any discussion about the fruit being logia has to wait if/until oda reveals more about fruit sense we just found out it is also a zoanTo love this  (talk) 05:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

A logia doesn’t only allow one to transform into an element of nature, it also allows the user to create and control that element. I don’t remember ever seeing Luffy create and control rubber. Also, the exact nature of Logia intangibility is that the elemental body is like a suit of armor with the substantial body beneath. In Luffys case, it’s his actual body with the properties of rubber.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 05:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC))

That's the point we don't know full powers of Luffy fruit anymore maybe he can  proudce ruber and control  it but until then we should not add anything else  and that intangible rule really doesn't apply to all logia user Black beard is a logia but his fruit doesn't follow the exact rules  either To love this  (talk) 05:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

haki nullifies gomu gomu no mi?
So in the most recent chapter luffy got kicked by doflamingo while in Gear Foourth. Doflamingo was surprised he was still rubbery because he was coated in busoshoku haki. Does this mean that when haki is applied to a certain part of the body, luffy can't stretch that part anymore? That would explain why Luffy doesn't cover his whole arm in haki when he uses his techniquees.AsianInvasion711 (talk) 21:31, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Trivia
I was going to add a trivia point along the lines of this, but was a bit unsure: "All of Luffy's Busoshoku Haki attacks infused with his Gear forms after the timeskip all make references to animals within the attacks' names. This is possibly due to his training on Rusukaina, where he had to face a variety of strong, gigantic animals." Would this be okay to add? Or not at all? ★ WindStar7125  Talk Contribs 16:01, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

I'd lose the possibly due to bit, and phrase it more like "All of Luffy's Gear attacks that use Busoshoku Haki reference an animal in the attack name". There's no need to say it's after the timeskip since he didn't use any haki attacks before.

17:25, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I get omitting the timeskip portion of it. So the possibility bit wouldn't be a good addition? I get that it's a bit speculative, but it's trivia... Hmm... [[User:WindStar7125| ★

WindStar7125 ]] Talk    Contribs  17:11, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Body made of rubber or Body with properties of rubber
I'm confused as to whether the devil fruit actually turned Luffy's entire body into rubber or just gave his body the properties of rubber. This article suggests the latter, but I don't think there has been any evidence given leaning in either direction.

172.88.92.203 06:10, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

name
when the kiro kiro no mi is labeled as kilo kilo no mi, because its a lation loan word, this page should be moved to gom gom no mi, cause gom(u) is a dutch loan word CharlotteSmoothie (talk) 21:40, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

Spelling of Gears
In Chapter 895, Oda spells Gear Fourth as "Gear 4". Is there any other instance in the manga where he's spelled out a Gear? If not, then we should consider changing the names of the Gear pages to use numerals. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:17, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

He spells it as GEAR 4 but the reading for 4 cannot be pronounced as fourth. He doesn't write GEAR 4TH Meshack (talk) 20:37, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

Just because he writes it as "4" doesn't mean the pronunciation has to be "four" though. The 66 in Germa 66 is pronounced Double-Six, for example. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:50, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

Gear Second and Third intro chapters. Gear Forth had a color spread, but the volume release title was spelled the same as 895. It has always been spelled like that. I don't think I understand what you suggest. Rhavkin (talk) 21:06, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

I'm referring to Oda spelling it in English, not Japanese. Here's the full pic of the raw where everything is spelled out. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 23:51, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

I know what you’re talking about. Yes he wrote GEAR 4 but the furigana indicates that it should be GEAR FOURTH not GEAR 4. How can you pronounce GEAR 4 as GEAR FOURTH? You can’t. The furigana matters. If he wrote Gia Fō and not Gia Fōsu then I would be on your side. 66 is a double six, right? Meshack (talk) 23:04, March 30, 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about the word "Gear", or the number(s)? Rhavkin (talk) 05:37, March 31, 2018 (UTC)

numbers Meshack (talk) 18:40, March 31, 2018 (UTC)

So what I pointed out about the gears debut is relevant. It is always written with numeric digits and spelled as an ordinal number. Rhavkin (talk) 18:53, March 31, 2018 (UTC)

There is plenty of precedent for it in English. For example, dates are frequently written using cardinal numbers (March 31) but read as ordinal numbers (March Thirty-first). This would be a lot of pages and references to change. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 02:24, April 1, 2018 (UTC)

While this is far from the biggest point of discussion regarding this fruit nowadays, Gear Fifth was romanized as "Gear 5" in the latest chapter. Thus it seems rather obvious that the Gears should be spelled with numerals - Gear 2, Gear 3, Gear 4, Gear 5. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Agree with this too. DewClamChum (talk) 17:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Only one Gear was spelled like that and it was 5, not the others. I don't support the change. SeaTerror (talk) 18:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

It was written "Gear 4" in Chapter 895, that's what started this topic. DewClamChum (talk) 18:13, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Name and Class
Okay, let's get the cold facts first:
 * Series wise, the fruit was called the Gomu Gomu no Mi for years in various media, from source material, SBS, datebook, merchandise, and official promotions, and through the majority of those cases it was classed as Paramicia.
 * Story wise, the fruit was called the Gomu Gomu no Mi since Chapter 1, and even recent chapters called him that, with the Five Elders talking about how they changed its name to hide its true name.

We have the Gomu Gomu no Mi, as well as other Straw Hats related subject to a different standard then the general articles so this shouldn't be any different than other unique treatments.

I think that it should stay as is and include Gear 5\awakening as Mythical Zoan with the note in DF galleries, naviboxes, and infoboxes. Rhavkin (talk) 16:33, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Even ignoring the sheer effort it would be to change the proper references from Gomu to Hito: Nika (and not all of them, so Bots are probably not a good idea) across the site, not to mention the confusion it can cause to newcomers, I support keeping the name as Gomu for now, and using Hito: Nika only for references to either its Awakened form, or Gear 5th. Timjer (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I also understand and agree, since right now it would cause of massive sweep of confusion for inexperienced users and other users who are not up-to-date on the current facts. -Adv193 (talk) 16:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

The Elders clearly state that the fruit turns the users body into gum and let him become the incarnation of Nika, the fact that is was called Paramecia is the same as the fact that Sabo was death, Oda just states what he want us to believe. Cracker-Kun (talk) 16:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the page title and majority of instances will use 'Gomu Gomu no Mi no Mi', since it is most common name. 'Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika' is just the "other name". The typing is a more complicated matter, but I think we should acknowledge both types until further explanation. 16:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. -Adv193 (talk) 17:03, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

At the heart of the issue is the question of who is the central authority over Devil Fruit names and classifications in-universe. Prior to this chapter there was not really any need to question this, we could see a DF get named and assume that its name was an accepted objective fact everywhere in the One Piece world. This development obviously changes things. If the WG wanted to rename a DF would that new name be legitimate? If a Devil Fruit were to turn the consumer into an animal, but the WG officially labeled it a Paramecia, does that make it a Paramecia? From the limited info we have right now, for me the answer to that question is yes.

That is not to say that the World Government has that sort of authority over every name and aspect of existence. Characters have authority over what their own name is even if the WG says differently, with Sanji being a relevant example. However, objects are a tad bit different from characters, and right now there is no basis to claim that the WG is not the highest authority on what a DF's name and classification should be. If the WG decided to rename roses into billydillyflowers and label them as fruits, afaik they could do that. Same applies here imo until we learn differently. Thus, I believe the name of this page should remain Gomu Gomu and we should note that, at least in-universe, the fruit is classified as Paramecia in addition to Mythical Zoan. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

At the very least avoid talking about it from an out of universe perspective even in trivia. That would just lead to edit wars. SeaTerror (talk) 17:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Fully agree with Kage and Kaido. DewClamChum (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Wouldn't listing the fruit as being both paramecia and zoan be as correct as listing Sabo as deceased and alive. The wiki was misdirected by a databook saying he was dead + the story characters said he was dead too until he revealed himself to be alive later. Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Death is a very different matter. Whether one is dead or alive depends entirely on the functionality of their body and not on the declaration of any separate party. Although we do have a general idea of what differentiates the DF types (at least, to a degree), I don't really think we can say that there is a truly objective standard for DF classification. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

About the class: Zoan (Mythical). Since the case is like that of Kawamatsu. A Fish-Man hidden as a Kappa, although he is not. A Zoan hidden as a Paramecia, although it is not. - About the name: Gomu Gomu no Mi. Since the case is like that of Franky, who is originally called Cutty Flam, but he hid his name and is known as "Franky" to others. - At least that's what I think. cdavymatias (talk) 00:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Add Gomu Gomu no Mi to Mythical Zoan Category
As stated above. Additionally, any mention of Hito Hito no Mi: Model Nika can redirect to this page.

The subpage was added to the category for now, but it is best to wait for more user to voice their opinion before doing any major changes to the rest of the pages. Rhavkin (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Should the fruit still be considered a Paramecia? Revolution:air Raid (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

The fruit is what it is and no amount of World Government rebranding can change that. It's a Mythical Zoan so logic would dictate that it be considered as such. It will always be Gomu-Gomu in our hearts though. Cyb0rg966 (talk) 15:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Sun god Nika
Should it be mentioned in trivia, or somewhere else, that this is technically the first Mythical Zoan based on a "original" myth? For the most part (emphasis on most, not all), Nika is a fairly 'original' deity.Greatsong1 (talk) 04:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Spoilers
Can spoiler tags be added to the true name of the fruit? You all put it right at the top. Bad form...

Did you come to a wiki and expect not to see spoilers? The top of the page is the most appropriate location for that information. Damage3245 (talk) 15:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

No, I expect to see spoilers, but the chapter literally just came out yesterday so let's afford some random web surfers the courtesy of not getting spoiled one of the biggest reveals of the entire series. Cyb0rg966 (talk)

No. It would be their own fault for getting spoiled. SeaTerror (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Once it’s officially released, even only one second later, then it’s not actually a spoiler anymore.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 04:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC))


 * Generally wikis will hide or bury spoilered information. A reveal like the true name of the main character's fruit shouldn't be on the first glance of the page, or the page itself should have a spoiler warning. JoeGrzzly


 * I don't recall many wikis that hide spoilers. Certainly not this one, the Bleach wiki, the AoT wiki, or many other wikis I've been to. People should be smart enough to realize that wikis are full of up-to-date info and therefore shouldn't browse them if they wish to avoid spoilers. Timjer (talk) 09:05, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Our policy has always been that we do not hide spoilers and we make this very clear. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. Cyb0rg966 (talk) 21:29, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Gomu Gomu no mi Awakening and the title of Joyboy
It looks like some people are adding that putting on the main blurb that awakening the devil fruit means that the user inherits the title of Joyboy. The thing is, it hasn't even been confirmed exactly what being Joyboy even means, let alone that awakening the Gomu Gomu no Mi gives you the title of Joyboy. I think we should wait until we get more actual concrete information about Joyboy before we claim things like this, since it feels more like an assumption rather than something that was made official. Derpalooza (talk)

The moment Luffy awakened, Zunesha announced the return of Joy Boy. Seems like it’s been confirmed to me.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 00:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC))

I agree with Derpalooza. We don't have any proof that Joy Boy was a previous user of the fruit, or that awakening the fruit automatically grants the user the title of "Joy Boy". Correlation is not causation. There will almost certainly be more revealed anout Joy Boy and his connection to this fruit in the future - until then, let's not speculate. Bhalperin28 (talk) 02:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I think saying awakening the fruit makes you Joyboy is being way too presumptuous. For all we know, the awakening is just what tipped Zunesha off, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the main requirement. DewClamChum (talk) 17:28, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

transformations
should we consider the gear 2-4 as transformations and list them in section ? the tabs separating the gears and we should be kept but in transformation section on main page we list Luffy base form and awakening form as transformations  so should we consider gear 2 steam and red skin, 3 enlargement  and four unique forms  as transformations for Luffy  as well in that section To love this  (talk) 05:23, 9 August 2022 (UTC)