Talk:Enies Lobby Arc

I've been working my way through these colossal walls of text for a while now, trying to make them a bit more concise. someone be sure to tell me if I'm cutting out too much. Patsy 00:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Who's the major antagonist of this arc spandam or rob lucchi ?

They both have enough "antagonist points" to be very close where it's almost unnoticable. In past arcs, the leader of the group the Straw Hat Pirates face is concidered the antagonist (Buggy, Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, ect), but it is actually the one who causes the most problems. Spandam was the leader of CP9, but Lucci was the strongest. At the same time, Spandam had caused the most problems. I would say Spandam is the main antagonist of the Enies Lobby arc. (68.36.166.78 22:31, October 26, 2010 (UTC))

Must add something
I think we should include Robin's past since other flashbacks are in past and later story arc articles. I would add it, but I'm just not sure what exactly to put in. (68.36.166.78 22:34, October 26, 2010 (UTC))

fillers/re-cap episodes
Why is there no mention of the five re-cap episodes and the few episodes of fillers on the Enies Lobby arc page? Right now it reads like every episode contained within the 264-312 segment of the anime is actual storyline, which it isn't. There's five episodes of flashbacks and three episodes of fillers that I know of that I wish I could have skipped, but instead I had to click around to find the story again because I didn't realize there was whole episodes that didn't relate to the Enies Lobby plot at all. Someone please make a mention of it on the page somewhere (I tried once but someone deleted my remark).

70.78.37.35 00:30, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Imperial Specials
Why are these counted as part of the arc? The Toriko specials weren't counted as part of the Fishman Island, or Post-War arcs, and the later imperial specials weren't counted in Saboady or Amazon Lily, so why count them here?

Galaxy9000 04:18, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Where are they counted as such? The infobox says "Episodes 264-312, 46 episodes". There are 49 episodes in the range of 264-312, so the three imperial episodes have been cut out. The same three episodes are omitted from the arc navbox template at the bottom (290 is followed by 293, and 302 by 304). Zodiaque 05:43, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ah you're right, I just assumed they were there due to seeing 264-312. Maybe we should do 264-(1st imperial special) episode after imperial specials to third imperial special, and then episode after 3rd goes to 312. It's what we do with the Toriko specials in the Post-war and Fishman Island arcs.

Galaxy9000 05:19, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Story Impact
The Story Impact section should primarily concern itself with the impact that this particular arc has on the story & plot. Mentioning that Vegapunk read all the books on Ohara or that Dragon founded the Revolutionary Army after Ohara was destroyed on this page is like saying on the Drum Island page: "Luffy's brother Ace is first teased in this arc. He would later be killed in Marineford by Akainu." I think we should remove the non-relevant story impact points. Damage3245 (talk) 20:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I am convinced with the argument re: Vegapunk. But, I do think Dragon founding the RA after the Ohara Incident has some relevance as to Story Impact. Like the very event of the Ohara Incident, which was detailed in this arc, was the catalyst for Dragon to have founded the RA. What do you think?

-Choppaw (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Story impact sections are supposed to only include information from arcs from the "current" arc and not future arcs. Anything about Vegapunk needs to be removed. SeaTerror (talk) 23:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I've already removed the areas concerning Vegapunk and how this relates to the creation of the Revolutionary Army. The parts I removed are too excessive and when I create or modify any connecting points I prefer to try to keep it basic as best I can to avoid too much information by staying brief. The spots I removed are better served for the Egghead Arc and Ohara Incident pages since both of those topics do not connect with this saga anyway. This is just one of those cases that a tough choice had to be made. -Adv193 (talk) 05:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I guess the reason why I am pushing for the inclusion of the creation of the Revolutionary Army is because the Ohara Incident is first mentioned by Iceburg (Water 7) and the actual event is only ever discussed in length in this Arc. It covers around 7 chapters here, and I feel like as to "Story Impact," it literally pushed Dragon to form the RA. As to the Vegapunk stuff, I agree. -Choppaw (talk) 06:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Still neutral on the Revolutionary Army thing, but also note that group did not have any main connection with this story arc and the Egghead Arc's Story Impact has better connection to it than this arc does. This is what I can conclude to. -Adv193 (talk) 06:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I see that I may be alone in this opinion, and I will accept the majority in this. But the last thing I will say about this is that while the Revolutionary Army is not at all mentioned here, the Ohara Incident, which is ONLY discussed in this particular arc and spanned for 7/8 chapters (chapters 391-398), is so impactful to the story of One Piece as a whole. The events detailed in these chapters pushed Dragon to create the Revolutionary and dubbed him the most wanted criminal of One Piece. If that is not Story Impact, then, I don't know what else to say. -Choppaw (talk) 07:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Why not replace it with something like "The global effects of the Ohara Incident would be expanded on later in the Egghead Arc." Damage3245 (talk) 09:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

It is fine the way it is, a. only focuses on the stuff relevant to this arc and b. not too detailed. Also this is common to throughout the wiki, since I only add in basic notes or minor changes to help create a connecting point. -Adv193 (talk) 17:02, 16 November 2022 (UTC)