File talk:Paramecia Infobox.png

Change
Seeing as this is an image of a Mythical Zoan it should be changed to another Paramecia or of more than one Paramecia user. Rgilbert27 (talk) 04:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The current image depicts something that is associated with another devil fruit class and should be changed. Sarutobii2 (talk) 07:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * It would be better to have the image of a user making use of a Paramecia that is 100% of that class, like Buggy separating his body, or Robin making his body parts bloom... cdavymatias (talk) 11:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I also think the image should be changed, since Buggy and his Chop-Chop Fruit power is actually the first Paramecia in the series.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 03:21, 29 March 2022 (UTC))

Or we could do a fruit more Paramecia then Buggy's. Rgilbert27 (talk) 04:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I’m not sure what you mean by "more Paramecia".(GoldenOath20 (talk) 04:22, 29 March 2022 (UTC))

I don't know which fuit would be the best, but I feel the current one should be replaced now. A secret Mythical Zoan like the Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika has no business being the poster image for the Paramecia page. --Zistal (talk) 04:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm in favor of changing it. Something of Buggy's power is cool although I'd prefer a different image than what was initially uploaded. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

More Paramecia, as in more superhuman. Rgilbert27 (talk) 05:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I also think it should be changed, if my opinion means anything. I think Robin would be a good fit because she's actually the first Straw Hat with a pure paramecia fruit. FemaleByleth (talk) 18:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with changing it, but I agree with Kaido, that Buggy image isn't great. Maybe something like this? 19:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

We can't have it both ways. If Luffy's fruit is consider Paramecia on its page, it should count here as well and vice versa. This all comes down to whether the Gomu Gomu no Mi is a Zoan or not and all pages should reflect the same, with trivia notes when needed.

As for the image itself, I think Buggy's power isn't well represented in most single images, so if we are so keen on having the first fully confirmed paramecia I think we should consider a gif. Rhavkin (talk) 20:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

But the poster image for paramecia should be something that's actually a paramecia and not something that was reclassified as a paramecia to hide its true origin. FemaleByleth (talk)

For Buggy's fruit, Impel Down has a variety of possibilities, such as these from Episode 424 (1, 2). The previous one uploaded isn't quite clear on what is happening with Buggy's body, and File:Bara Bara Festival.png would be a great option if Nami weren't in it. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

So what are we gonna do? This discussion seems to have slowed down. FemaleByleth (talk)

Maybe the Hana Hana?: After all it is the fruit of one of the protagonists. cdavymatias (talk) 02:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

If there isn't any suitable images of the first paramecia devil fruit, then i think the next best thing would be to depict the most recognisable paramecia which would be the Hana Hana no Mi. Sarutobii2 (talk) 05:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I think the Hana Hana no Mi fits better anyways since it's more obvious what's going on and it's more iconic and has more images to pull from. FemaleByleth (talk)

I support using the Hana Hana image. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

We should either stick with Luffy since the wiki still considers him a Paramecia or choose one for Buggy since he's the next in line. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 19:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Buggy, is there a reason to not use images from Impel Down as Nesha suggested?

All in all, we need to decide one thing before we decide if we change and to what, and that is if the fruit can be consider Paramecia. Going by the manga, it was a Zoan and was reclassified, and Kaidou stated the awakening has properties of both types, and Kaidou is a veteran pirate and based on his comment witnessed at least a few awakenings of both types.

As long as the wiki consider the fruit even partly paramecia, the image can stay since it shows the superhuman aspects of the fruit and not the transformation ones. Also, on a semi related note, based on the same logic the current image should be the Zoan Infobox, and if we go for Robin's image, is there even a need for the infobox to feature the first fruit from each type? Rhavkin (talk) 03:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I edited the entry after proof reading and it was deleted. Rhavkin (talk) 03:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

^ Sign your posts with three ~ please. THE image to represent paramecia should be one that was originally classified as one, not one that was changed to paramecia to cover up its real identity. FemaleByleth (talk)

The Hana Hana displaying the ability to make the user's extra arms appear can be a good image for the Infobox. As much as it is insisted that the Gomu Gomu is referred to as a Paramecia, it is just a camouflage for the fruit. And the controversy surrounding it is an extra good reason to change the image. (Gomu Gomu: "It's Zoan", "But it's Paramecia" - Hana Hana: "It's Paramecia", "Yes, it's Paramecia") Capitán Noot (talk) 23:41, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

The case of the Gomu Gomu is like that of Kawamatsu. A Fish-Man hidden as a Kappa, although he is not. A Zoan hidden as a Paramecia, although it is not. We do not have a page about the Kappas with Kawamatsu's image in the Infobox. cdavymatias (talk) 00:31, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Bara Bara no Mi is next in line after Gomu Gomu no Mi; there are plenty of options available for the fruit, too. Skipping to Hana wasn't in the scope of this Talk Page, as that decision affects more than this image. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:19, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

While I can understand having a "system" of having the first example as the infobox image (to avoid frequent replacements and edit wars), I don't think it's necessary assuming there is a generally solid agreement. Hana Hana works due to being a main character power. Right now the majority on this talk page supports not using the Gomu Gomu for the image and it would be counterproductive to force it to remain that way while we wring hands over a unanimously accepted replacement (feel free to suggest anything you feel would work better, but said suggestions should be thought out and specific). Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

GIF Replacement
I have an idea: The page for Haoshoku Haki has a GIF for its infobox, so why don't we use a GIF of two or more users demonstrating their powers at the same time? I'm thinking we could use the scene where Luffy attempts to hit Buggy with his Gomu Gomu no Kama move, only for Buggy to dodge with Bara Bara Kinkyu Dasshutsu technique. It's quite fitting since they were the first two Paramecia users introduced in the series. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 20:58, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

The Gomu Gomu turned out to actually be a Zoan type, but I like that idea.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 02:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC))

There's no reason to replace it with a GIF. GIFs should only be used to show something that cannot be showed with a manga or anime screenshot, which isn't the case here. Relevant Image Guidelines sections here and here. Walrsu (talk) 03:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

The infobox image is basically a visual summary of the topic of the page. Paramecia consists of a ridiculously wide variety of powers. Trying to convey that wide variety with only a singular image is… challenging.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 08:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC))

It doesn't need to display every detail of Paramecia powers. It provides an example and displays that Paramecia abilities are different from Zoan or Logia ones.

Anyways, it doesn't change the fact that there's no reason to use a GIF over a screenshot here. Even if the image needed more Paramecia users, there'd be nothing stopping that from being a screenshot. Walrsu (talk) 17:58, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, I do believe we should have image that has more than one Paramecia user. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

That's a different discussion, but it would differentiate it from the Zoan and Logia infobox images, so it seems unnecessary as well. The Hana Hana is a good example because it belongs to a main character and is a pretty "standard" (i.e. easy to understand, straightforward) ability. Walrsu (talk) 18:08, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Depicting Multiple Users (image)
In the above GIF discussion it was suggested having an image depicting multiple paramecia users in place of 1 user. It's more informative in doing so since the typing has a wider variety of powers that Zoan and Logia, and previously users have been in agreeance to use an image of multiple Zoan Users in place of one. I have uploaded an image of Law, Kid and Luffy while using their DF powers in the file history for consideration to use as the infobox image. Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Darn, I never thought of that. So, where is this image? I looked in the ones recently uploaded and didn't see what you said. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 23:30, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

According to the deletion log a content moderator deleted the image from the file history without rational. Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Discussion first, then change the file if consensus reached. Complicating the file history doesn't help. If you just want to show what a proposed image looks like, there are plenty of other avenues available.

As for the topic, "If you want to change that rule, you should create a forum to properly discuss it as it would affect more than this page/image. The infobox just needs to show an example; the article itself would do a better job at describing and displaying the diversity." Dragonus Nesha (talk) 00:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Depicting a single user isn't a rule, so no forum is needed to discuss it. And deleting a image file is unproductive to the wiki and an abuse of power when there was no complications. Uploaded images for record keeping or image proposals is allowed in file history. Sarutobii2 (talk) 00:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Depicting multiple users isn't a rule either. Yes, it would probably help discern between the superhuman abilities, but the current one showcases that well enough as is. The one you uploaded showed law, luffy, and kid. Law's ability couldn't even be seen, luffy was in gear 4(not the best depiction of a default ability), and kid just had a bunch of metal around him(didn't really show HOW he was manipulating it). If you could find something that depicts multiple users better than the current image, then go ahead and post it. ethan2awesome (talk) 20:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Can't post any more suggestions since the file has been locked. But from memory the best scene the anime has of multiple users would be from Episode 619 of Buffalo holding Espada Girl, or Buffalo throwing Missile Girl. Sarutobii2 (talk) 02:37, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I think a scene like that should be used to best describe how Paramecia types can be used in conjunction with each other. For the infobox, we need Paramecia users that are more notable, like Buggy, Kid or Law. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 09:33, 6 October 2023 (UTC)