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Breaks in long sequences of paragraphs in History sections
Can we have a discussion on the use of sections within sections of the History section. I'm asking this because of a somewhat irritating dilemma brought about Buh. The problem is that he wants to have the Straw Hats to have completely uniformed history sections. There is nothing wrong with that except the sequence of paragraphs per some sections for some characters can get really long.Some Straw Hats may get little to no action in some arcs and have very little paragraphs. Some Straw Hats may get lots of action and have so many paragraphs that they may require some divisions.

For the divisions, think of the basic ruling of a paragraph structure, a paragraph requires four to six sentences so that people won't get lost. The same can apply to divisions to very long sections. A section that has a set number of paragraphs is not only easier to read but also easier to navigate and edit.Mugiwara Franky 14:24, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I can't deny the pointlessness of really short sub sections with one paragraph and that I want to express the oppposite direction of being too long is not a problem for me to handle... But I don't mind so long as there are: 1) only the actions of that straw hat written there and no one else 2) Paragraphs to begin with so we can read it 3) references, which are struggling to be added again. I wish I could be more useful, but rereading old chapters is something I have little time for at the moment, so I'm not editing history sections right now. One-Winged Hawk 19:22, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

I would support shorting them up because I happen to agree that long titles are overly silly

Joekido 10:37, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

===Whats wrong with long titles, long titles are fun and productive and show how much we love talking abut nothing, yes their great, that is long sentences with no full stops to end, oh look a flying cow, and a two headed deer... lalalala...=== Sorry... I couldn't resist a joke. I'm freezing my butt off in a cold home and on top of that I'm bored. @.@ One-Winged Hawk 11:30, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Buh boy loves long title and can't shut up

Joekido 11:33, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * My joke wasn't directed at Buh, it was a general moment of insanity due to cold hands and boredom. But it does prove a little point in the process. I prefer short, snappy, eye catching ones like I wrote "bloody and murderous" or something for BB's page. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 11:38, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ridiculously long title aren't really the main issue but they however are somewhat part of the problem. Due to the length of ridiculously long sections, they sometimes require ridiculously long titles as a short title might not be enough to describe the situation. An example would be Sabaody. With just one arc section, it appears the section requires somewhat a long winded title called An Incident on Sabaody Archipelago and the Destruction of the Straw Hat Crew to describe the section. However if you split the entire arc section into smaller sections, like splitting the first part of the arc involving Keimi getting kidnapped twice and the second part where the Straw Hats get separated, you get at three titles that are somewhat shorter in essence. Main arc title: "At Sabody", 1st section: "Slavery and Bubbles", 2nd section: "Legendary First Mate and Separation" for examples. Mugiwara Franky 12:10, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Some of the titles need to be shortened but there really is nothing wrong with having them. Drunk Samurai 16:45, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Length Vs Efficiency
This is a bit off-topic, but the discussion about length vs efficiency make me think about it. I already made a warning (without much success) : The Arc pages are becoming ridiculously detailed. If I want to know everything that happen in the manga, it's easier to read directly the original than reading these articles. Is it possible to decide of a logic about them (and apply it)? Kdom 11:39, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with keeping it short and sweet. I've complained MANY times about the length of the history sectin on Luffy's page. Worst is when others' fall prey to writing EVERY event in an arc including bits not to do with a character.


 * And while that thought is up, "Sandersonia's Sister" was used a dozen times on her page. She was there at the events so its all right to use "Boa Hancock". Using it a dozen times felt repeatable and like we don't even know her name. It actually got on my nerves to read. One-Winged Hawk 16:50, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Main article
SOMEBODY UPDATE THE MAIN ARTICLE Coldhandzz 12:35, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Note
Rather saying "not a forum" can we from now on move such discussions to our forum and leave a link to the page its been moved to. That is all thank you and good night. :-3 One-Winged Hawk 10:55, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Foxy Arc
This arc and all its characters seem neglected. I know its one of the weaker and unpopular arcs, but we need to get something done with the characters and events. There are pages that have hardly been touched since day 1 of the wikia. One-Winged Hawk 11:13, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've kinda worked on Foxy and his Devil Fruit a bit.:-/Mugiwara Franky 12:36, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've been working on the races as of late. Still not satisfied 100% even now. I don't know what else to do with them though, halted until I can wrap my brain around them again. Not helpful today I've kinda tired. One-Winged Hawk 15:26, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Editing Comments of Others
{| width="100%" align=center|- The following is a documented discussion over editing other's comments. The general consensus is as follows: 
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 * 1) Should we allow editors to correct the spelling in the following conditions: 


 * 1) *User talk page: No 
 * 2) *Page Talk page: Yes 
 * 3) *Documentations: No 
 * 4) Also, should we be allowed to undo spelling corrections even if its not our own within the allowed editing rights or just our own? Just our own..

Please do not edit or add any further comments to this particular section as it is documented.

Okay an argument with DS, MD and myself. Basically, MD edits and corrects the spellings of others and DS argues that no one should edit others' comments. My view; so long as its not meant to be insulting, or is altered to say something entirely different from its original meaning it should be okay to correct spelling mistakes. When I was at wikipedia it was perfectly fine to do this as it made life a lot easier for everyone.

So opinions, what are everyone's overall views? I agree that a user talk page is under almost full control of the said user. So long as your not altering comments or just deleting when things don't go your way, or running a campaign against something theres no queries with how you set up your user page. Its our other pages that are in question here. On the one hand, their open for the entire wikia community to edit freely, but WHERE does that freedom end? One-Winged Hawk 14:42, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I completely agree with Angel Emfrbl's on this matter. As long the editing is strictly spelling correction and not alteration to the point that it reflects someone's else opinion or it's insulting to the user it should be okay to be edited. After all, the reason most comments are often kept in archives and aren't deleted from the page itself is because they are left to be seen by people because they carry information about resolved issues, problems in need of attention and argumentations on something controversial. Not all users that come to this wiki speak English nor it's their primary language. Some people could very well get confused if in a word a letter is missing or it's in the wrong order. Especially people who are using site translators. Drunk Samurai is partially right about editing other people's comments because it could lead to a series of problems like the above mentioned and I can understand his concern about the issue BUT arguing just for the sake of arguing is childish and won't lead to anywhere. That's my opinion and my thoughts on this, I'd like to hear the opinions of others too. MasterDeva 15:27, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * *Actually can't stop laughing since I made 3 spellings mistakes that needed to be corrected apparently!*


 * Lol. X-D One-Winged Hawk 16:46, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * XD MasterDeva 16:51, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Honestly Drunk Samurai is clearly too integrist on this point. After all he is undoing some part that does not belong to himself. Technically he is contradicting himself. If you want your spelling mistake corrected you can't do it in the current status. As for me, since I'm not fluent in English, I'm always glad when someone corrects me. Kdom 20:00, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the support Kdom. I'm glad to know that I can help and be of assistance. By the way, your vote would be appreciated here it's about the Eneru/Enel issue. MasterDeva 20:29, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Kdom has a point (psst, you didn't sign your comment with ~ Kdom) and actually I'm jealous since I didn't think of that point (darn it!). One-Winged Hawk 20:32, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Damn, I thought about it, but I always forgot in the end, I should right it first :-( Kdom 20:45, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't sweat it, better late than never as they say! ;-) MasterDeva 20:56, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

The comments only belong to the person who created them. They do not belong to anybody else and only the person who created them has any right to edit them. Drunk Samurai 22:15, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Repeating the same thing over and over again like a parrot and acting like a problem child doesn't make your point any stronger! MasterDeva 22:37, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hate to say it but a point has been raised, undoing the edit of another is likewise yourself commented the same act, whether you like it or not. If you truly believe that the edits belong to only that person, then it means you cannot undo the edits made to anyone else's comments but your own. And under what rule do we place it under? Its hardly vandalism. We have no rule to cover editing of comments, and until now its been largely an unwritten rule that only the deleting and altering of others comments was a bad thing. Hence the discussion here was opened.


 * In your court, you say we can't alter anyone's edits, but not the full "why". On our court we say its okay so long as its not an attempt to mock and humilate the person, and the other things I've said I'm not going to repeat. At the moment, there is a greater reason not to be concerned unless the serious stuff kicks off.


 * Still, lets get word around and make this more formal shall we. Theres only the opinions of 4 people here thats hardly enough of the wikia. One-Winged Hawk 22:46, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Editing other's comments simply for spelling errors is indeed okay to a point as long as the overall content is not change. However there are some exceptions I think.


 * 1) If someones notices the spelling error and points it out in discussion and the original author decides not to edit his comment, correcting the spelling error might make any further discussion strange.
 * 2) If the spelling error is documented along with other comments as a record of a particular discussion then correcting it maybe a violation of the documentation.
 * 3) If the spelling error was intended as a insult or compliment, correcting it might change its original effect.

That's all I can think of know. Mugiwara Franky 05:05, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly Mugiwara Franky, you nailed it straight to the point. So far I tried to be careful not to correct any mistakes in phrases that seemed intentional, jokes or ones that are referred to further later because it would make the whole discussion strange. If I'm in doubt I'll leave it as it is, there are sometimes though I can't even understand what they're trying to say! 0_0' LOL!! MasterDeva 09:25, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Would the removal or correction of redlinks be considered a spelling edit as well? I ask this because for me, it would be the main reason to edit the coomments of another user. El Chupacabra 14:04, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

I think that when it comes to spelling and grammatical mistakes on the official articles, it only makes sense that someone with better skills is allowed to fix them. The point of a wikia page is, after all, to provide information to the reader, and not to stroke the ego of the person who wrote it. I've come across several articles where the writing was either child-like or illegible, and I don't mean to offend any writers when I say this. As long as the information is kept constant, no one should complain. We should strive to have the clearest information, and not be fighting over smaller issues.

A person's own user page should be entirely up to them, though. Sephirona 16:16, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

You shouldn't be looking at talk page comments to correct them in the first place. They do not belong to you and never will. Editing them proves you think they are yours. Also this isn't about article pages Sephirona. It is about talk page comments. Drunk Samurai 17:07, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Huh, if we don't look... How are we suppose to communticate? One-Winged Hawk 17:08, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

You're supposed to read them. You're not supposed to read them just to edit them. Drunk Samurai 17:15, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. For a moment I thought we were talking about actual articles, not the discussion pages of those articles. In that case, I've personally never corrected anybody's comments. It's entirely up to them to type with proper grammar, though it's best they choose to do so as to avoid miscommunication. For purposes of documentation, I'd think it's actually best that another person's comments aren't changed - readers should be concerned with the results of that discussion as editted on the official article, and not what's on the discussion page. Seems like a waste of my time and energy to go around editting how a person chooses to speak on his/her own time, imo. Sephirona 17:28, November 24, 2009 (UTC) Sephirona 17:28, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

How many times do I have to say it Drunk Samurai that I never claimed or thought that I own any user's comments besides my own!? Stop making things up because that's not the case and you will end up exposed in the end!! To the second point you made I don't read them just to edit them rather I edit them for other people's sake so they can read them AND comprehend them.

The same principle we follow to make articles comprehensible applies almost(spelling check only!) to the talk pages were various issues about the articles are discussed and resolved. One of the reasons that these discussions are kept, (then later moved to archives), is that in case a similar problem arises the whole process that lead to the solution won't have to be repeated again.

As I have said already, this is all about the people who don't have English as their primary language and small problems like spelling or grammar keep them away from not understanding the context of a sentence that's been written incorrectly, it all comes down to that. MasterDeva 18:57, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Honnestly I'm not sure it is necessary to add some rules. A bit of common sense allows to judge between vandalism and typo correction. If a user doesn't want his typo corrected, he can undo the edit by himself. In anycase, he is the only one to decide. Kdom 21:04, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed, a written rule isn't exactly a solution to this problem. Simply careful weighing whether the editing of another's comment is spelling correcting or vandalism is needed. Although leaving comments just as they are regardless of spelling in some cases is also kinda a good idea as it won't create problems in the first place.Mugiwara Franky 23:14, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

If you didn't read them just to edit them then you wouldn't be editing them at all. They do not belong to you so you have no right to edit them for any reason. By editing other's talk page comments you claim to own them. It is as simple as that. Drunk Samurai 23:03, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Masterdeva is not claiming ownership. He was just correcting spelling errors in good faith. If he had changed a word like "four" into "fuck" then it would be a problem. What he did was changing words like "fpur" into "four".Mugiwara Franky 23:14, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Editting someone else's comments doesn't constitute a claim of ownership. When you get your papers peer reviewed or corrected by a teacher, they aren't saying "I changed this paper now, so it's partly mine." The text belongs to the original writer, as stated by Creative Commons laws on the internet for intellectual property. There's no need to go around accusing people of claiming something is theirs when they obviously had no intention of doing so.
 * In any case, a better way to correct a passage for documentation, I think, would be to leave the original comment intact, but with a reply next to it that includes all the necessary typo fixes. Just for reference, since an open Wikia can be changed by anyone, drafts of the original content should be made available. Sephirona 23:17, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * So, what's the result of the discussion? Is it now allowed to do minor edits in the comments or not? El Chupacabra 15:44, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Give me some time to think how to run a poll then... I've got more then one issue brought up here. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 17:43, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, according to the poll closing date the voting's over. What's the result? El Chupacabra 15:30, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

The One Rule to Rule them All
Don't add comments here, I'm just separating this for reading purposes. Here, thats the only thing that we have within our rules to speak of this sort of thing. One-Winged Hawk 22:59, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Voting Time!!
Please vote on the following issues (each one must be adressed):


 * 1) Should we allow editors to correct the spelling in the following conditions:
 * 2) *User talk page:
 * 3) *Page Talk page:
 * 4) *Documentations:
 * 5) Also, should we be allowed to undo spelling corrections even if its not our own within the allowed editing rights or just our own?

This is how I want us to reply to this, this is both my vote and an example:

Vote 1: User: One-Winged Hawk 17:52, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) * No
 * 2) * Yes
 * 3) * No
 * 4) Just our own

Vote 2: User: MasterDeva 22:02, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) * Yes
 * 2) * Yes
 * 3) * No
 * 4) Just our own

Vote 3: User:Mugiwara Franky 23:04, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) * No
 * 2) * Yes
 * 3) * No
 * 4) Just our own

Vote 4: Drunk Samurai 23:49, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) * No
 * 2) * No
 * 3) * No
 * 4) Yes

Vote 5: User:Kaizoku-Hime 23:55, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) * No
 * 2) * Yes
 * 3) * No
 * 4) Just our own

Vote 6: User: Sephirona 01:44, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) * No
 * 2) * Yes
 * 3) * No
 * 4) Just our own

Vote 7: Coldhandzz 05:06, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) * Yes
 * 2) * Yes
 * 3) * No
 * 4) Our Own

Vote 8: El Chupacabra 13:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC) Poll closing date; 10th December.
 * 1) *Yes
 * 2) *Yes
 * 3) *Yes
 * 4) Just our own

Okay someone's pointed out the dates passed, so I'll be summing things up in a mo and counting. One-Winged Hawk 16:42, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

FINAL RESULTS:


 * 1) Should we allow editors to correct the spelling in the following conditions:
 * 2) *User talk page: No
 * 3) *Page Talk page: Yes
 * 4) *Documentations: No
 * 5) Also, should we be allowed to undo spelling corrections even if its not our own within the allowed editing rights or just our own? Just our own.

So in other words from now on, you can only correct the spelling on page talk pages and can only undo your own and no one elses'. This should now be documented, I'll properly write up a guideline around this tomorrow, but at the very base level the issue has been resolved. I must admit, part of me thought when it came to vote, well a talk page is the users to control within a reasonable limit, so I'm glad it came out against allowing others' to alter the spellings. One-Winged Hawk 16:50, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * }

Archive
What is with the Archive pages, like the Vote for deletion archives, which are "responsible" for most of redlinks? I would like to remove the links to deleted pages. El Chupacabra 12:30, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Example me since I checked on "Wanted Pages" and found nothing? One-Winged Hawk 16:44, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh wait, I get what your on about! Never mind. I figured out what your on about here (sorta), but can you clear this up a little. The links the red ones provide either need removing or creating. But on some pages, they were removed and I "guess" they remain as proof they got removed. I'd just remove the "" and "" bits though, and have normal black text. We need really a method to clear up whats happened on these pages. One-Winged Hawk 16:48, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

No. Those are archived for a reason. Redlinks should ONLY be removed if they are on article pages. Drunk Samurai 17:56, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * The Special:WantedPages makes no distinction between articles and internal pages. El Chupacabra 14:38, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

British Vs American
Long story short; its an unwritten rule up until that it doesn't matter, so apparently now it does... Discuss. One-Winged Hawk 19:02, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty much just about one word: honor vs. honour. Everywhere else on the Wiki it says honor; it shouldn't be otherwise on Crocodile's page.

Though now it's getting ridiculous, since I have a feeling that the person doing it and the mystery IP are one in the same. New unlogged users rarely just happen to go onto someone's talk page. The Pope 19:08, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * MF could confirm IPs. I think its silly. It never mattered on wikipedia and I don't expect it to matter here. Getting into edit wars over this is also silly. Such time wasted when we could be doing more serious edits. I'm British myself (I think that guy didn't get that hint) and I think its nonsense. Then again... I'm also dyslexic and prone to misspellings. O_o One-Winged Hawk 19:14, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention now he's saying that he's refusing to go on the forum; I think that shows his level of cooperation. The Pope 19:12, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thats his own choice, not ours, but nothing on issues like this can be resolved on his talk page. One-Winged Hawk 19:14, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter what spelling is used. The only time I ever intentionally changed it was from colour to color on the Color Trap page so it would be consistent. Drunk Samurai 19:33, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

I'm ****ed off since this guy's accused my nationality of not being what I say it is... MF can check it, its not like I can hide which county my computers currently stationed in. My IP and bitty things like that point out my ID. One-Winged Hawk 19:35, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Drunk Samurai is right on this one, it doesn't really matter which spelling we use as long as its consistent to the rest of the article. Now to the other problem, who is this new "fellow" who is causing trouble!? MasterDeva 19:58, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

End of discussion, problem is originally caused by a editor who is identified now as a troll.'

His a troll, just wait for MF to deal with him. This ends things there and pretend they never started. That includes leaving his User talk page alone for now. I'm quite sick of the jerk to be frank now. One-Winged Hawk 20:03, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't be upset Emfrbl, everyone here knows who you are and there in no need to prove to this ("add insult here") anything. His opinion is of no importance and he can't touch you. He is not very bright either, he couldn't understand anything even if you spelled it out for him. ;P A simple message to the mods is enough to for the likes of him! MasterDeva 20:19, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't had this kind of thing in 2 years, and it was coming from across the water having a go at me for being British, and believe me, it was COLD what THAT guy said. This guy's nothing compared to the New York dude who took nationalism to a whole new level. Makes me mad that I'd thought I'd seen the last of this 2 years ago, now it comes back in a whole new level of stupidity. Still, I can laugh at the whole ideal. Lol. X-D One-Winged Hawk 20:25, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Laugh it off like a bad joke that turned... bad... XD MasterDeva 20:34, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol, well being told multicultalism on the net is one thing, but if he is preching one thing and demanding the opposite he is a hypocrit, all things aside. Well, we've had our fun out of it anyway. ^_^ One-Winged Hawk 21:06, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't know you had a national identity debate in England too :-)). Kdom 23:43, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

It shouldn't really matter that much, should it? We don't need to be THAT nit-picky. I'm a New Yorker, but I love British culture so...personally, I don't mind either. From the looks of the situation here, it's too bad there isn't some easier way to deal with immature people who have nothing better to do than start petty edit wars. :/ Sephirona 09:37, November 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * For me it's unimportant which spelling is used. Since this wikia has both British and American users (as well as other nationalities), both spellings should be allowed. El Chupacabra 14:41, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Another caller
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1377904&postcount=902

I don't get it... If there is a problem why don't they just call us up on it and we'll take actions to ensure it doesn't happen again. Heck I don't even know whats here thats been stolen from Greg's site. I presume images since text gets edited all the time. I speak only for myself on this; I've never copied from his site and I hope no one else has. I think half our problem is just how we're set up. Baised? If they care to come here and argue with us, we're only human and we're only a handful of people monitoring 3,000+ pages.

Anyway, anyone got any ideas what was "stolen" from greg's site since I don't even know the URL? One-Winged Hawk 11:29, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Some text that looks like it's from his site cause afterwards someone was complaining. His site is here and I even linked to a part of his site from the Straw Hats page at the start of the wikia as a way of giving credit so to speak.Mugiwara Franky 11:39, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've said it before, theres only so many ways you can write the same facts down. But so long as we don't direct copy (i.e. we write it in our own words) theres not a problem. To be honest, my experience of the anger and crit that comes from AP these days is cluelessness because they don't wiki themselves. So they lack the understanding and the effort we put into each article and the time we spend, etc, etc. It takes more effort to run a wikia despite the number of editors sometimes then an ordinary fan site. >_<' One-Winged Hawk 12:49, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

They call us baised, to be honest their baised towards wiki editing a lot of them anyway. And judging by Greg's reactions at AP, we're never going to solve "What has been copied from your site" here. As far as his concerned, its our job to check up on it, not his. So at this point... I don't know what to expect. I replied that stating the obivous that I don't have time to do investigating AND editing at the same time. To be honest, I've wasted time with the AP scenerio as it is today and I've just about run out of time for editing as it is for today. I only replied in response to someone else there because I was accused of being a tool for the wikia. I edit here... Thats the difference.

And to be honest... Aside from editing the races and checking up on images submitting, vandalism, etc, etc, etc I haven't done much editiing to be a "tool" myself. I think some of them are trying to start an argument with us and nothing more. None of them are prepared to come here and actaully engage talk with us but they'll certainly talk about us on forums. I think half the reason is purely backing, on forums they have 5,000+ other haters behind them and here they don't. One-Winged Hawk 13:41, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * I also note, they've always called us out first on issues, we're never said anything about another site without that site doing something first, be it wikipedia, AP, etc, etc and I don't know why everyone wants to stir up trouble with us. If they know how wikias work they shouldn't care and just leave us be to get on with what we do in peace. We've GOT rules and guidelines, we're inforcing them when we see the problems, what more do they want form us? -_-' One-Winged Hawk 13:54, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Haha wow. How did I miss this before? Who cares what any of them say? They are all idiots. Drunk Samurai 16:50, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Naive, yes, idiots no. ITs hard to make people understand that the purposes of wikia is a starting point and a community joint effort. If the community is putting crap in, I can think of a Sonic the Hedgehog wikia doing just that I add, that the wikia comes out crap. [[User:Angel Emfrbl/Wikia Vs Fansite|My article on such matters]. Still, Greg has a respected website and half of his hate towards us is simply because we don't grab everything. While I did explain to Greg, we're allowed to have the same information on our site as his, we're not allowed to copy his site and sadly, some folks have. Greg's hate for the wikia is mostly this, and we're "biased" and the baisedness is purely name based.


 * He quotes "Oz" and I explained to him, we were sitting on the name, waiting for the proper translation. Oz and Odz were the most common and to be fair... Even experienced translators didn't get "Oars". We simply had to pick a name to make do with, Oz was it. The argument is the same with Enel/Eneru, Mihawk is the same. Names are a problem and we've got to pick what we something in the end. Oz was the first translated name the translators produced, even I acknowledge I was wrong and used it on Arlong Park awaiting the proper name. I get the idea it was me using it that sparked off half of this though since I'm one of the more picked out APers associated with this wikia. I have a sig with a wikia ad in it for starters.


 * The only thing I don't like about the complainers is how I was described with as a "tool" this time, I'm on AP because I'm a fan... That and my dragon cave eggs need their Unique Views to grow up... AP is the best forum for gettign a fair amount of views fast without killing them and I post mostly whenever I got an egg or two with need of views. But a tool for the wikia I'm not. Heck, unless someone raises the wikia up, I don't even mention us outside of the sig. One-Winged Hawk 21:12, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Whitespaces
Getting worst folks. Now you simply have to be on the non-wikitext thing (name has slipped my mind) and its keeping white spaces as I'm finding out. It seems to be effecting tables, paragraphs and just about everything now. Why they heck did they introduce this crappy system anyway??? One-Winged Hawk 21:12, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that the answer to this is question is; TO MAKE US SUFFER!!! :@

Page not directly related to One Piece
After Drunk Samurai candidate Demon page for deletion, One-Winged Hawk and myself are questioning about the real interest to keep such pages in the wiki (Cf Talk:Demon. Ãlso what about the Terminology category, shouldn't we put a limit on it (for myself I would only keep words related to pirate and to Manga/japonese). Kdom 23:16, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe some pages really should be outed as they could be covered more easily in Wikipedia or in another site. Some however do belong here as they contribute to the culture that One Piece is based on.Mugiwara Franky 23:31, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Bible is the one I always pull up, its on the pirate template but has nothing to do with pirates.... And besides Kuma holding one nothing to do with OP. One-Winged Hawk 00:07, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that pages like "Demon" should cover the relation of their subject to One Piece and provide a link to wikipedia for more general information. El Chupacabra 15:34, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Doesn't the majority of these pages do already? The reason their being pulled up is their significant lack of links to OP, and apart from appearances thats it. Plus if we ever get a character called "Demon" we've got probs. I think we also may or may not have a page called  Angel . One-Winged Hawk 17:19, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * A good test to see the pertinence of an article, is to see how many pages link to it. It's blatant in the case of  Angel (4 pages including Demon, and this one). The problem are for the ones which are in Template:Pirates.  Bible is linked to all the pages who share this template so it is difficult to decide. As I said already this template should be modified (beside Jolly Roger, Bounties, Treasure, eventually Rum, I would suppress all the others which are not really related to pirates). Then if the number of links to the pages is ridiculous, I wouldn't complain if they are deleted Kdom 19:03, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well try removing the word from the template and go to "What links here" and see whats left. Trivial pages with less then 4 links should be considered for deleting. One-Winged Hawk 19:22, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, below is a selection of some Trivia Pages and the number of links towards those pages. For the logic I have taken to select these pages Cf Kdom Trivia.

Kdom 17:26, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * For those who have less than 4 links, I think we can agree to a removal (except for the Person pages which may deserve a discussion). For the ones related to Japanese or Media Culture, the Wikipedia page is easily found (except maybe for Easter Egg)
 * For those with 5 links, I don't think that Bar, Kanji or Onigiri are necessary
 * For those with more than 5, I'm not sure Ghost Ship deserve a place here (especially since all the links refers to Thriller Bark)


 * My opinions. One-Winged Hawk 20:41, December 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Changed my mind on El Dorado, it should be on the locations template, which is why its not done much since made. One-Winged Hawk 20:49, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

P.S. when the articles will be deleted, we should also remove all links to them, othrewise some newbies or anons might create them again. El Chupacabra 15:55, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

The Cloning of Other Sites
Okay guys, SBS 4 and so forth; loose these pages their a direct clone of APs website. The list we have is fine, the copycat pages are not. We even have the same pictures on the page! Okay thats unavoidable to a degree, but being a clone of another web page is completely avoidable. Can we do something about this. As it stands, we're liable to get in trouble for the direct cloning here. One-Winged Hawk 17:25, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Does the link to ArlongPark SBS still exists ? I have an old one which does not work anymore ([www.arlongpark.net/Manga/SBS]). And it is impossible to search for SBS in apforums. But I agree that it shall be clearly said, in the start of the article, where it comes from. Kdom 19:03, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * The main site is down at the moment, which is why I'm bringing this up now while they are doing whatever their doing with the site. I'd like us to move away from this problem we've had since day 1. I'll explain why we have more then the SBS page:


 * At the time Joekido came he he just got banned from Arlong Park's site, cutting out the fluff of story thats not relevent to this (since thats disrespectful towards Joekido), he pretty much here intent with making us a clone of AP because he was banned. It took us a lot of head banging before he accepted it (and has moved on from it to the benefit of everyone) was not practical. But the SBS pages seemed to have remained, and been expanded upon. Now supposedly we got permission from the site, but I never saw anything and the recent fuss from Greg makes me wonder if we actually ever did. Its not like with the Straw Hats Jolly rogers where I can instantly provide the evidence we have permission to use them, we're talking predated permission that never had evidence given to us to begin with.


 * If we keep them, I'd like us to find a way to at least stop them being identical in some way to the site. Direct copying is a "no no" and we're likely to get in trouble. Even on wikipedia you'd get a telling off for this. Plus outside of the template, they're about as dead link as they come. One-Winged Hawk 19:20, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Again… you open the same discussion?

Just to remind you:
 * 1) I try and changed the articles layout at some point.
 * 2) Remove stupid questions like “hi Oda lets start SBS now “.
 * 3) APs website use Stephen translation
 * 4) Joekido already asks Stephen and takes permission to use his translation here. So any comparison to translation is unavoidable
 * 5) I am not copy/upload APforum pics.
 * 6) SBS 4 – 21 are not any more clone of AP website. And definitely not dead links.Tipota 20:05, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * To correct you on this, the SBS pages are the example, I am starting this as a discussion to find and change cloned pages. I can only do what I know, the SBS pages are all I know so far. I'm also trying to highlight problems here. As for if I have made a mistake here, well I've got a few complaints from AP, Greg's site complaint I've dealt with, now the SBSs are my current one. I can't resolve some issues outside AP because the job is too wide and too long. Still if its clarified I can strike this off the list and get back to the APer who complained. For now, theres nothing else major to resolve and I'm annoyed someone has wasted my time (it maybe because the site is down they complained, since I can't directly see the same page). This discussion will remain for any future problems.
 * SBS Volume 10 vs. webarchive - AP SBS Volume 10 from April 30, 2008. Tipota 14:01, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * This whole "site copying" is getting to me now. Okay, excuse me but I'm going to have someone's head for supper now. As I explained to Greg, there are many OP sites out there and we can't track them all. One-Winged Hawk 18:44, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

What about episode pages and Episode Guide ‘’short summary‘’ section almost all are copy from Wikipedia episode list. Tipota 14:01, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * In the case of wikipedia, its seen as okay, we were originally a clone of the former wikipedia OP pages. The difference is that we managed to make the site different to wikipedia over time, thus we aren't a clone of the old OP pages anymore. I suspect that the pages will eventually become different, be it a little slowler then all our other pages. One-Winged Hawk 19:33, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Quitting the Wikia until After X-Mas
I'm sick of Arlong PArks coming to me for all their Wikia insulting needs and harassment. I've had it with Greg calling us baised and incorrect, sucky, etc. Why is he telling me this??? I'm not the God of this wikia? I'm not even the representative on the AP forums! I'm meant to be there as a fan, I'll support the incorrectness of others' views of us, thats about it. If the folks can't accept the wikias good and bad points, fine but don't keep coming to me to insult us at every moment, there are others' at AP from the wikia; not just I.

I can't even have a go at Greg for sending his "you suck" messages to me because his inbox is full. I don't want messages from him constantly telling me how the wikia sucks, I'm not at AP forums as an editor I go there to be a FAN.

So I figured I need a break, see you guys around Jan 1st. Oh and I'll pop in on X-mas day to say "merry x-mas". I must say you've seen me responding here to AP forums messages in the past. Why I've become our ambassador I don't know, I never asked to be. I'm actually getting quite upset that I can't be allowed to be a fan because of this whole "go between the wikia and AP". I'm not even editing that much, I've just done the races pages heavily and thats it. As I said, I don't know how I've ended up becoming Ambassador but I don't like it. One-Winged Hawk 12:38, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * You are very active on the wikia, that's why people think about you as some kind of "wikia offical". Even if Greg thinks that our wikia sucks, he has no right to offend you personaly. Tell him that he should throw a look on this talk page and read that he's a braindead idiot. I wish you a Merry X-Mas and a Happy New Year! We'll "see us" next year. El Chupacabra 15:46, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * He hasn't insulted me, its all directed at the wikia. I'm only here to grab my Deviantart account web address to show to something since its on my user page and I'm going for my X-mas break. I've got things to sort out for X-mas elsewhere, I'm just clarifying it before I leave. Lets not get in a fight with Greg here though folks. This argument isn't a fight worth getting into with that guy. There are other wikias out there who don't get half the stick we get, its just unfortunately we do. Half of me wonders if its not because our wikia isn't run by the forumers, but because we're all unknowns. When I look at the other wikias, many of the popular ones are run by the main "crew" of their fandoms. But in the OP fandom, the attentions divided mostly between AP, K-Fs and Greg's site.


 * All I know is, this isn't a fight we can win, I don't want us to attempt it. Lets just get on with it and let the other sites remain gathering their opinions of us, I've already seen what happens when one group of a fandom fights another too often the backlash is ugly from both sides and divides otherwise stable and clean communities. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 17:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Character Polls
As much as I love them, they get dated quick. It might be best to adjust the character profile template and add "Polls", listing all the positions the character came in. Easier to reference overall.


 * Poll= 3rd, 2nd, 3rd

What does everything think on the character polls. The problem is new ones come out every so often and not everyone updates all of them. I'm trying to find an easier way of doing things. Kdom 16:50, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Category Tree
Forum:Index/Site Problems/Categories

Related so I'll add it to the page as well. One-Winged Hawk 08:41, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Template problems
I don't know if it is my computer or something but when I go to certain pages it looks like the template is out of sync such as at the Enies Lobby arc. I think the source of the problem is too many template links are merging together in an unstable way which may be the way how the page was designed with text and all, but I am not sure how to correct it. -Adv193 04:31, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * There are now numerous character pages that have unstable templates at the site navigation headers and I am finding as long as they are one space below the Navigation header as well as if the entire page is previewed then it will be fine. -Adv193 18:22, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you lick edit anywhere on the page and save it seems to fix it. I think the ref template is causing it somehow but I'm not sure. One-Winged Hawk 18:38, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

FOUND IT!!!!

I found the problem!

The template: template had had a "help" section added to it... But not correctly. Hence forth it seems that it was causing problems for every template on the wikia. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 18:48, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you also check why the templates Will of the D. and Impel Down can't collapse on Luffy's page!? There are other pages too that have the same problem with templates. MasterDeva 18:54, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything wrong with them, not on my browser. Screenshot please? One-Winged Hawk 18:57, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * They are not collapsible meaning that the cross button doesn't appear at all. MasterDeva 19:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, but for  ME  I can see itm the + sign is there. If I can't see the problem I need to know what it is your seeing. As I said, its working fine for me, the only thing I can say is "are your cookies dated"? :-/ One-Winged Hawk 19:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh wait! I found a page doing it for me! I can see what you mean now. Let me investigate this, I'm about to have my evening meal. Be on it in a while. :-P One-Winged Hawk 19:47, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I understand the problem, I have made no modification to the template, everything I have added is between a section. Also, I have created a Template:Sandbox Template and made a copy paste of my help version and use it in my Sandbox and it works fine. I'm using Firefox 3.5 what type of navigator are you using ? I also remember that when I had categories to the templates last wek end, I had a weird behaviour on some templates too, what I suspected was that the special template Template:! shall not be modified since, when I put it back to the old version, everything was back to normal and it has been modified since then. I noticed that topic and wanted to tell you but since I have no problems anymore, I supposed I was wrong
 * The Will of D and Impel Down templates shall be collapsible since they are based on the Template:Template which is collapsible (if you go to Saul page, it's collapsed), this is really weird Kdom 19:54, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I'm using the same as you are right now and my browser is doing the same. But it does seem to be limited to just those templates, but it *may* be certain templates have a coding that conflicts with template template. Not all the pages do the missing + thing so there must be a loose coding somewhere. One-Winged Hawk 20:06, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you revert the Template:! too and see if there is still the problem ? I had to reload the pages several times before it goes back to normal last time Kdom 20:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * What I meant is that after a certain number of templates in a page the last ones don't work well, I'm not talking only about the two aforementioned ones. I too am using the latest version of Firefox. MasterDeva 20:34, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Point me to a broken template/page with templates, and I'll fix it. Simant 22:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * For starters check Luffy's page I don't think though that the templates are broken because they work perfectly in other pages... MasterDeva 23:40, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you be less ambiguous? There are about 9 templates, on the the largest page you have. I need a little bit of pointing and being told how it is suppose to look/operate. Simant 00:12, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not ambiguous at all just read the comments above! The last two templates on Luffy's page (Will of the D. and Impel Down) aren't shown as collapsible on his page (there is no plus button on the right) but seem to operate normally on other pages that have less templates!! MasterDeva 00:28, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Problem = Template:Early OP Simant 00:37, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice, can you fix it!? MasterDeva 00:39, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not familiar with Template:Template. Gotta read it first. Simant 00:43, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think instead I'll rewrite/simplify. Template:Template, So its easier for me to read... Simant 00:52, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, that is why I added an help page, since that template is not what we can call instinctive. Can you make the modification from my version instead ? Since I'm not sure I have the out of sync problem, I cannot do it, at least mines looks normal, thanks Kdom 08:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I think I have corrected the bug on the Template:Template, there was some lines missing in the 4th section. Maybe Simant can check my modification to be sure. Otherwise, can someone tell me if the User:Kdom/Sandbox is behaving fine now ? Because I really think my help section in Template:Template was useful (cf Simant post above) Kdom 10:51, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * For someone who couldn't locate the problem you were the first to fix it, efficient as always Kdom!!! XD


 * Thanks, (but most of the job has been done by cygdrive and gvim :-), does it mean I can put back the help section? Kdom 12:07, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * You have the OK from me, yeah you can put it back and if any problem appears we'll deal with it. MasterDeva 12:27, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * So long as the problems fixed, there is no worries. Half of the problem originally was caused by that section, if you've fixed it then it goes without saying that it can be reentered. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 12:40, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

The Ice Hunter Arc template doesn't work at all. The plus sign (+) doesn't appear nor the episodes are shown. The same with Spa Island Arc template too. Could someone check it out!? MasterDeva 18:02, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Problem; After punishment?
Okay been brought to attention in the Users to be Banned that we have a punishment system but not a "Plea" system or "mercy" or... Whatever. Okay I doubt this is going to effect DS, so lets not bring him up here too much. Basically we have NOTHING to aid others who have been banned explain themselves or ask for one more chance. While they can edit their own userpage, I've noted with DS's case people ignore him anyway. Maybe its experience with dealing with him, but it does give raise to a question; How does one who is banned plea for mercy? We have no guidelines for anything like this, where the person wants a "final" chance to prove they can behave. Our guidelines cover everything up to banning, but leaving almost nothing once the user is banned. So what are people's thoughts for this?

As I said with DS, such a case as he, I myself would only allow him back under strict agreement of "behave or else". Most of you won't like to even think about this, but its worth noting. Permabans however should be just that and thats half the problem with thinking on this. But even still, even a one month banner might need such a guidelines to talk and explain themselves so it might be worth thinking about this a little. I'd rather get the wikia community involved on the issue, instead of going in and straight away writing guidelines that others should just note disagreements on the talk page. This is a very sensitive issue afterall. One-Winged Hawk 12:29, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * A plea system would be helpful for banned members indeed. A guy that was given a perma ban could be given some mercy if he convinces enough people on how sorry he is. However, it can't work at certain times with certain offenders. A guy that was given a month long ban could convince people how sorry he is, only to reveal once the ban is lifted, he really didn't learn anything or wasn't sincerely sorry. Mugiwara Franky 14:05, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * My opinion is, that everybody banned permanently for the first time should be allowed to make a plea. I think that people can learn form their punishments and change. If they claim to have changed and promise to behave well, we should assume that they are honest and lift the ban. However, if a user who's permanent ban has been lifted once will continue the actions for which he's been banned, he should be banned permanently for a second time, now without any right to make such a plea, because somebody who has abused our thrust once can't be trusted again, and we should assume that he'll never change and will only lie to us. Therefore he will never get any new chance. El Chupacabra 15:04, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * People who have been banned permanently have earned it with their "value" otherwise they wouldn't been banned in the first place. It means that they have crossed the final line and in other words they were not banned for fun but they have caused some serious trouble.


 * On the other hand people with smaller penalties should indeed have some kind of "plea" system followed by our guidelines (which should be completed/updated some time) so they can communicate with the community and talk it through. Even though a sentence has been carried out, for example a month, and the person comes back daily to help the wikia or point things out to fix stuff then why not!? Most communities have a system like that and I was surprised that we don't, bravo Chupacabra for pointing that out! ;D MasterDeva 17:57, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can't disagree with MD there on that much, regarding smaller bans. Permabans are a divided subject here it seems, lets leave that issue alone then for a moment and focus on the minor bans as a start. Any suggestions on how to tackle this problem? One-Winged Hawk 18:44, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe have an editor talk with temporarily banned people about certain issues that think the person can help with his opinion. See how he responds (his behaviour during the ban is checked and evaluated) and if he has changed ways and regretted about what he has done.


 * To start a trial period of time that changes accordingly to the extent of time the person is banned for or something like that. It begins after the person has been banned and is extended or increased accordingly. This is just an idea I don't have a clear image on this, sorry if can't be any more helpful. MasterDeva 19:18, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Allow them to edit their own userpages and user talk pages. Or create a special forum page for them. El Chupacabra 13:48, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia Ads
Are we being promoted through the wikia site ads or have we in the past? As far as I can figure out, aside from the fact we're the first thing to come up on google, my old sig at AP which I can't be bothered to change... We don't really advertise ourselves. Perhaps its time someone looked up how wikias get advertised through the wikias site ads? One-Winged Hawk 16:56, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you want to start a promotion campaign? o_O El Chupacabra 13:48, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No its just I'm sick of not seeing us come up on other wikias. Naruto had ads come up for a long while.... -_-' One-Winged Hawk 19:35, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

HATE the new Rich Text
So they fixed the white lines problem with rich text but now they create a new problem:

Undo an edit and go to -> Source (previously Wiki text).

What a mess! >:-( One-Winged Hawk 19:35, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * well is there a way to configure it off by default :-) ? Kdom 20:20, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Pass, though I'd love to know. T_T One-Winged Hawk 12:38, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

More mergers?

 * What One Piece Wikia is and not • Concerning the Fandom
 * Japanese Vs English names • Name Spellings • Other Languages
 * Canon policy • Speculations • Canon • Filler • Fanfiction

I think these pages should be merged together in their groups as I have listed them here, particularly I didn't notice it before but when is there a "Canon policy" AND a "canon" page? One-Winged Hawk 12:16, January 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that the Internal Pages needs a more global discussion. In particular:*are they all usefull (Cf my deletion topic)
 * if yes, are they up to date (Community bulletin ?, lots of red link in the Community Portal or Privacy policy, Angel suggestion above)
 * how do we make the newbies read them (Cf Angel recent concerns) ?
 * Kdom 12:56, January 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Strictly speaking they should be linked to our forum, its a pity also that the bot we have set up doesn't link to at least a "core" page that interlinks these. Perhaps it needs adjustments? That thing is the first reply a person gets when they edit for the VERY first time. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 15:39, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Suppressed redlinks
This is an answer to El Chupacabra question on my talk page.

According to Simant, this is a problem of cache (Cf w:Help:Bypass_your_cache). We had similar problems with the categories (Cf discussion here). I don't know if Mugiwara Franky did something because the categories are correct now. If no, I suppose that we have to wait. Kdom 18:58, January 21, 2010 (UTC) (completely unrelated, but by accident I discovered that User:Mugiwara Franky works and is nice shortcut to know :-)


 * I thought to drop by and leave a message to thank Kdom for the amazing job he is doing on removing those dreadful red links. That's nice mate, keep it up! ;D MasterDeva 22:49, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, if it is a problem of cache, I'll wait a while, but if it will stay the same for a long time, I'm going to report it as a problem. El Chupacabra 15:15, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Categorized Redirects
I've noticed that after the recent mergers the redirects remained categorized, for exmple Law Enforcement or all the animals merged into the species article. Is this a new policy or just sloppy work? I think it's the second because it is completely useless and even confusing if the redirect and the target article are in the same category.. El Chupacabra 15:15, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * More like "Didn't notice" or "forgot to check"... :-O


 * "Guilty as charged" - will remember to check next time. One-Winged Hawk 15:21, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed law enforcements and police, my recent blunders, as for animals... I didn't do that and its going to take a little while to fix. I'll see if I can track them all down. One-Winged Hawk 15:24, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

This other Wikia did it this way...
I'd like to take a moment to say something here. JUST because one wikia does something doesn't mean we have to copy it. We can do it because we want to, not because its been done by someone else. Lately, half the mergers preposed are suggested it seems because the German wikia did it. Lets forget the german wikia can we please. As I said it once I'll say it again, what works for one wikia might not work for another. And while I can support mergers sometimes, but I get a little annoyed with is hearing a quote about another wikia, particular the German OP wikia.

Listen, the German wikia also "borrowed" some of our pictures without asking and never gave us credit in our early days. Its bad enough we struggle to get that sort of thing under control, but when you KNOW they are borrowing off another wikia and not crediting us, its also bad. We should already be doing this ourselves, but as I said we struggle to do it.

But the point is, wikias shouldn't be a replica of each other. Our goal is different in some aspects to the German, for example they allow spoilers (and translate them) and we don't allow spoilers. They allow it because they've got someone to translate, so they are the first (or one of the first) sources for German based spoilers. Whereas we don't allow it because theres nothing more annoying then bad translations copying up two days later or leaving ourselves open to fakes. Plus we don't have a translator on the team. I quote AP forums, even with reliable sources they still allow fakes in from time to time.

So there you go, my 2 British pennies (I don't use cents lol) on the matter. One-Winged Hawk 15:22, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Emails
Usually, when a page I'm watching gets changed, I get emails around these lines.

Dear _______,

There has been an edit to a page you are watching on One Piece Encyclopedia.

See http://onepiece.wikia.com/index.php?title=Monkey_D._Luffy&s=wl for the current version.

To see all changes to this page since your last visit, click here: http://onepiece.wikia.com/index.php?title=Monkey_D._Luffy&s=wldiff&diff=0&oldid=174903

No edit summary was given

Please visit and edit often...

One Piece Encyclopedia

Normally both of those are links; however, lately, only the former has been showing up as a link, and the latter as a line of text.

Is this just me, or is anyone else having this problem? The Pope 22:22, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't get e-mails at all since I visit every day even if I don't edit. One-Winged Hawk 14:54, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't have the problem myself. I still have both links Kdom 18:44, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't exactly know how to solve this problem per say since I don't get emails either.Mugiwara Franky 06:41, January 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * really, did you make it on purpose ? Because I find that option very usefull. I understand more your concerns about the deletion talk now. Kdom 06:59, January 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think screen shots on some problems might be useful since half of us don't know about this.One-Winged Hawk 09:23, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it's fine; I managed to fix the problem after tinkering with some HTML options in preferences. The Pope 14:45, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Deletions
I really don't like the idea of mass deletions. For a small to medium group or so, it's okay I guess. However for a mass deletion that asks for 100+ articles that's seriously going overboard. It may have worked I guess for the starting years of the wikia, however it's no longer reasonable in later years.Mugiwara Franky 16:05, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh ones, the wikia staff have played with the editor set up again...


 * Anyway, can't agree more with MF on this one. For images, yes, for articles... A clean up of one or two articles is very different to a mass delete. If there are THAT many articles; merge them don't delete them. Or find a better way to handle them. One-Winged Hawk 17:13, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I had go for kdom accidentally because kdom put up a mass delete. But it does bring into example of potential messes. Long story short, someone didn't play by our rules when we set up the temporary portraits, so when kdom mass delete opted them it slipped past me what the true problem was. Still theres another problem raised here; originally kdom put them up as "duplicates" when they were actually "redundant". Consequences is that the misreason for delete has caused me a headache.


 * Though I maintain before doing anything on a mass scale, you should try to seek out confirmation for the reasons and had kdom done so kdom wouldn't have me snap at them while I wouldn't have misunderstood whats going on here. (I'm on 3 hours sleep anyway on top of this). Still its no big problem, but mass deletes are headaches causers at times. Even the slightest detail means 100+ edits to correct this. One-Winged Hawk 21:13, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I kinda agree on you there. Based on the rate they were being put up and on the reasons for them being put up, something went horribly wrong. For a number of the images in this case, many of them should have been checked more closely rather on a simple glance on appearance. For others, they should indeed have been given clearer reasons rather than a generalized reason.


 * I generally have no qualm about deleting large number of images especially for housekeeping purposes however based on this, however in this situation, putting a whole lot of images up for deletion could have caused a problem in some areas. Heavens what would happen if I was feeling up to the task of cleaning out some candidates for deletions with some of those images grouped together.Mugiwara Franky 21:33, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok here is the historical, I'm categorising the images from the template galleries under Portraits. It happens that a lot of these portraits are in double, ok they are not exactly the same but they have the same purpose. When I encountered ones I replace one of them (especially when it was the non available image) and put the duplicate template, since there is no reason to have 2 thumb images of the same character (note that I have kept some when it worth it like File:Yokozunaportrait.png can still be different from File:Yokozunaprofile.png). I agreee I have made a mistake on marine filler ones but I correct it since then, but that is only a few of them and not many like you seems to imply. In all cases, the template gives a link toward the second file, if you disagree with the fact that they have the same purpose, you can delete it. Kdom 21:56, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Special Pages
Does someone know why the special pages do not refresh since 1st of February ? Kdom 19:35, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * The pages usually update by themselves as far as I've known. At what intervals they update, I don't take note however. Maybe it's slight error or something. If the pages don't update by next week or so, maybe asking the main wiki for help might be appropriate.Mugiwara Franky 19:53, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * The uncategorized files used to update every morning so far (well in UTC time), and that was the same when I categorized the templates. That's a bit strange Kdom 21:35, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

New redirection template
Not so much as a "problem" as much as a contribution, but didn't really know where else to put it. I made a new template for redirecting pages,. For certain articles, instead of writing it out as, say, , it's better to mention what it redirected from, such as

Just thought I'd give the heads-up, in case there are any redirection conflicts that could use this. The Pope 05:28, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I forgot to answer your talk page on nightmare luffy, I think instead of a redirect, we can replace it by a disambiguation page like Monkey or Phoenix Kdom 06:58, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's more for if you have two or more major articles within the same vein, like two characters who might be called Phoenix or multiple people with the surname Monkey. In a case like this, though, a redirect works better. The Pope 14:50, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Image resizing bug
There is sometime a bug in the image appearance, look at these 2 versions of John Giant page and. The only difference is that I have changed the image option 150px into 140px. There was a similar problem with Nico Olvia portrait. So if you find such a problem the workaround is to change the size.

The problem is that in the file history or in the category, the picture size is a default one and we can not change it. As a consequence they do not appear correctly. Is that a known problem, shall we ask the wikia ? Kdom 19:45, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if this is a problem experienced commonly by most of us. At least not from my end.


 * Unless this is the problem, you're talking about.Mugiwara Franky 18:56, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * exactly, I have fixed this problem on several images so far (Brogy in particular) and Tipota too. Also if you go to the file page you will that the last version in the history section does not match the current version of the file Kdom 23:50, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ok here is the answer I received from the wikia staff yesterday :

Those edits (and the resizing of those images) were done last summer, during a time when our thumbnail generator servers were broken. Thats why they had old broken thumbnails.

Please note: I have fixed all the images on your wiki already, so you dont need to do this.

You just go to the File: page for the image, like

and add ?action=purge to the end

like this,

This will cause the servers to get notified that they need to throw away, and remake all the thumbnails for that image.

This is NOT an instant action, it goes into a waiting list, and can take a few minutes to happen, and go out to all of our cache network servers. Your browser may hold on its own version of the broken image for a little while to, so its best to wait a little while to see the effects

File:Wolfs.gif had the bug yesterday and now it looks fine, I don't if it is due to their action or else. Anyway the correction method is always good to know. Kdom 21:04, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

A little category thing
Forum:Index/Site Problems/Categories

Related too Kdom 09:43, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
Well I've decided this issue needs to be resolved once and for all. I'm working on a list of things that we can and can't note. In particular we're getting a bit of "fanism" slipping in. Some current issues to resolve:


 * 1) A note of when a character does something the first time, is also a trivia note. But after that when do we stop, at character no. 132nd to do the same thing? Doing it once is worth mentioning, a second time you reword it to "one of only two", but after that...? I'm thinking "Will of D." introductions here. We've got 8, time to cut their numerical orders off the page, save Roger who was the first to be seen and Luffy who was the first to be named.
 * 2) Noting very minor details. Things that AREN'T even worth mentioning. Like this character is "ate a peanut" but not that bad.
 * 3) Baseless or observational trivia. Noting for instance Buggy and Luffy's devil fruits are "opposites" is such a thing. The problem I have with these is they are the most scrappy trivias you can add. Theres a difference between noting Chopper's similarities to a certain red-nosed reindeer and an all "Oh he wears goggles like..." if you know what I mean. This is what killed a lot of those observational similarities with Frank and Ace Venturer and Pop-eye early in the wikias life. I've allowed a few on myself, but its time to crack down on some of this.

I'll add the other problems when I find them. But a trivia section starts bringing up attention to itself as getting out of hand when it leaps to about 8-10 notes. And a number of articles are headed there. If there is that much trivia, we must remove some of it elsewhere to the page, create new sections for instance. Trivia with a large chunk of text SHOULD be in the article, as its hardly a "note" of trivia fact and more details reference.

I hope everyone understands what I'm getting at with some of this... One-Winged Hawk 23:00, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Categories and Subcategories
Forum:Index/Site Problems/Categories


 * Okay now its too long for its own good. Moved to its own page.One-Winged Hawk 08:33, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

GIFs
Whenever I upload animated GIFs, they never seem to run in thumbs.

Take, for example, this newest one I uploaded, File:Horu Horu no Mi.gif.



Seems to work fine. However, when I thumb it...



It doesn't move. Or does it? Am I the only one having this problem? Is it my computer not letting me see it be animated, or am I uploading them wrong or something? I want to get this resolved for future reference. The Pope 05:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I kinda see your point in thumbnail format. Gif images apparently don't move unless given a size that allows them to move.




 * Maybe cropping the animated sequence to a smaller size might solve the problem a bit.Mugiwara Franky 15:20, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think I fixed it now; it should be running properly on the Horu Horu no Mi page. The Pope 16:54, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Vague Dub References
At one point we were changing them all from "in the english dub" but we've either stopped or let a few more on. We can't even say "english translation" since we need to be more precise. Ithas to be "Odex Dub", "4Kids Dub", "Funimation Dub" or "Viz translation". :-/ One-Winged Hawk 19:01, March 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point.Mugiwara Franky 08:35, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oh look What I came across...
So I checked out if this will work here... Now that its been established they work just fine here, who fancys adding a few fun polls to the wikia or do we think they should be left off? One-Winged Hawk 15:09, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * The poll option is fairly simple, it will record everything until its edited, once edited it resets itself. But editors can change their vote if they don't like it so voters can change their minds. It also means we can update a poll easiy. Also, if they do get vandalised, a simple undo does not loose the previous votes. So we need not fear them being the subject of vandalism. :-3 One-Winged Hawk 15:24, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

hrrrng The Pope 21:19, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll let them become offical on ther 21st March, right now I just want to see how the primary Straw Hat one goes first and see where the problems are. But their quite handy (and fun). :-3 One-Winged Hawk 21:45, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Where can you put them though? There's really no room on the main page. SeaTerror 00:59, March 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I put the Straw Hats one on the bottom above "Site navigation" because it was out of the way. But forums, Polls and the appropriate page are places to stick 1 (fair sized) or 2 (small), and no more, polls. I agree the main page has no room, though I could squeeze it in if we had more content added somewhere, I'd not like to try it. I know they won't work with "Galley" since I experimented with trying to get a picture version and failed, the codes conflict with each other. One-Winged Hawk 01:32, March 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've replaced the script pols with the templates. El Chupacabra 13:21, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Images
I have my wikia but I have a problem...I don't know how to put an image on wikia.Not in forum or nothing else...but here who says "wikia".How i can do that.Please anser!

or Mugiwara Franky 12:36, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

NO! I don't want to put it there...but here down from the "ENTERTAINMENT"...if you want to find this word press "Ctrl" and "F"


 * Your message isn't clear. Do you want to put it in the left hand column?


 * < Thats here? One-Winged Hawk 15:03, March 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Logo? Upload your image with a destination file name of Wiki.png. For more info and how to manage your wikia, see here and it's related pages.Mugiwara Franky 15:30, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Note about Chapters
Just came across this on Chapter 99:

Quick Summery: Never carry a sword in a storm.

I can see the humour, but reading a few more... The quick summery is 2 sentances or so just note the important elements, yet someone seems to have turned them into jokes. Something tells me "Quick Summery" should be removed from the chapters. Anyone agree or disagree? I don't think folks are getting what they are meant for. ^_^' One-Winged Hawk 20:06, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Battles
I've noticed that general information on a battle looks quit ugly. I think it would be good to have a Battle template similar to the one used on wikipedia and in many other wikia. El Chupacabra 14:12, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seconded. One-Winged Hawk 22:16, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Preposed Site rule?
When a discussion on any page breaks the 30-40,000 character length, it gets its own sub like sub-categories and Categories did, recently I've done the same with "merger" for Devil Fruits.

Anyone want to second and/or discuss this? Its not a unreasonable rule, considering the lag such discussions create on a page. One-Winged Hawk 19:19, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * It might be good in some cases, but it shouldn't be a general rule. It wouldn't make sence if ther's just one of a few discussions on a page. I think it would be better all finished discusions would be moved to an archive when the talk page reaches a certain length. El Chupacabra 15:56, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Serious Issue with referencing
As in its not happening. I just found there is no referring for Ace getting Luffy's poster. I don't even know where between Impel Down and the end of Ace's life it happened. Anyone got any ideas? We need to get some references on the site, this is getting silly. the only one I've not accounted for in Justice since I'm going to work on that one myself later today (I didn't have time initally to put everything on it). One-Winged Hawk 15:01, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Major problem
Okay, if anyone is getting white, which I know I and another (anon) are getting it, there is apparently a way to resolve it. Preferences -> Editing -> Enable Rich Text Editing. Untick this. This will fix the problem which I and a few others are having. The wikia staff say its our browsers are not compactible, but I can edit other wikias just fine, so can my comrade at arms here helping me solve the problem. It seems to be from looking around, something on our wikia and it only begun about an hour or so ago. Whatever it is, we're waiting on the wikia staff for a solution. One-Winged Hawk 08:17, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Uncategorized Pages
Is it possible to get a list of articles with only categories like "Stub" or "No References" ? Ruxax 23:51, April 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * They should be adding categories automatically as part of the template. If not, I'll look into it... Late this day when I'm not busy. One-Winged Hawk 11:48, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

beside the Category:Stub you can also go to the Stub Template of your choice and click to the link What links here at the bottom of the page

Past Vs Present Tense
We've got a problem related to the time tense we write in. Having just tweak about 2 paragraphs of the Pirate page, we've got problems here. While current things are nice to write in present tense, however unless someone updates a page, it would be better if we all wrote enteries in past tense. Thoughts on this folks? One-Winged Hawk 13:41, April 16, 2010 (UTC)