Talk:Donquixote Doflamingo

Unrelated question
what would happen if a merperson ate a flying devil fruit

What happens if you stop asking a dumb, spammy questions that has nothing to do with this page. Welcome to One Piece Encyclopedia and don't do this again, it considered vandalism.

Joekido 21:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Crew
Okay, I see there are a lot of reference phrases (such as "old flag") as if Doflamingo is no longer commanding that crew and Bellamy was leave to do it, as Arlong is to Jimbei. This also contradict another parts of this page.

So far, the evidence is that Bellamy is a underling of Doflamingo: http://manga.bleachexile.com/one-piece-chapter-303-page-7.html("under my command") http://manga.bleachexile.com/one-piece-chapter-303-page-8.html("my royal follower") http://manga.bleachexile.com/one-piece-chapter-303-page-9.html ("by my side")

12:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Doflamingo wasn't in command of the crew as he left that task to Bellamy. I think I can only liken this to Japanese bike gangs. Basically, the former high-ranking members of the gang command the highest respect. That respect does not die even if they leave or change leadership. This seems to be like Doflamingo's group, he isn't the leader anymore, but if he returns, the guys react as though he still is. Plus, though he may not command the crew, he still owns it as they use his old flag alongside their own. So long as you fly the flag, you follow the code in OP. --One-Winged Hawk 21:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say that his bounty is high because he was the owner of a large business. I think we can all agree on that.

if donquixote doflamingo were in impel down...
what would happen to him,since his bounty is the highest in one piece?67.87.235.185 17:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)luffymonkey


 * Umm, even though this is not a forum, what do you mean? If he was there like Hancock or imprisoned like Jinbei?Mugiwara Franky 17:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I mean imprisoned.sorry,I forgot to add that "if he was A prisoner"thing.67.87.235.185 00:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)luffymonkey


 * If he were a prisoner then he would be placed in a level depending on the crimes he committed to get himself into the prison. If his crimes were bad, then he would be placed in Level 5 at most. If his crimes were really really bad that the World Gov't. considers his existence to be a threat, then he would be placed in Level 6. Having the highest known bounty so far doesn't necessarily mean he will automatically be placed in Level 6.Mugiwara Franky 00:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent Edit War on Page
Due to a recent edit war on this page, this page will be protected for 1 week so a proper discussion can be made. The most disputed edits are as follows:


 * 1) Doflamingo's height
 * 2) Whether to use How or Why for a question regarding Doflamingo's bounty

Please express your thoughts so the problem can be resolved.Mugiwara Franky 04:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

1. If you look at the picture with the shichibukai meeting, Doflamingos shin alone is as long as the marine next to him's entire torso

2.We know how he he got his bounty, illigal and crinmal activitys, but we don't know why or what he did to gain it  --Swg66 20:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

How is still the proper word. It is also what every article uses. Drunk Samurai 22:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

the artical originaly said why and what other articals use it in that context, every other person who has a bouty close to that high has at least some explination or back story so we know the why, but this case is differnt becasue we know next to nothing about his pirate life, so it's not really the proper word.--Swg66 00:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Doflamingo's shin does look as long as the torso of the Marine sitting next to him. However, note that the Marine is sitting in the foreground and his legs are cropped. This means that it's not a complete comparison as the Marine is not sitting in the same level as Doflamingo, and the Marine's true height is debatable. Also note that in pics like this, characters like the Marines in the pic are given less emphasis than the main characters of the pic namely the Shichibukai. This means characters that are not the focus of a pic, sometimes get drawn distorted as they are not the focus of the picture. For Doflamingo's height to be truly determined, there has to be a clear picture of him and a normal sized character standing with him, hopefully side by side if possible like with Moria and Kuma.
 * It is unknown how his bounty became so high. It is unknown why his bounty became so high. Both are synonymous sentences stating the same thing. Arguing which conjunction to use for sentences that mean the same thing is abit silly. Also it sometimes doesn't matter what word is used as long as the idea is conveyed. In this case, the idea is about stating that the reason that Doflamingo's bounty is so high is an unknown. This idea can be written in any number of sentences as long as the idea is conveyed.
 * Mugiwara Franky 00:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, why however maybe the more appropriate word as it is asking the reason for Doflamingo's high bounty where is how is asking for the process Doflamingo took to get such a bounty.Mugiwara Franky 00:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

How is still more proper. The bounties page uses it for all the bounties. Drunk Samurai 00:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The bounty page is generally asking how did Pirate A receive such a bounty for every pirate. The sentence for Doflamingo being asked here however is not asking how did Doflamingo receive such a bounty, but why his bounty is so high.Mugiwara Franky 00:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

in regard to how tall he is, if you can't comapire the individuals how about an object they have in common, there both sitting in the exact same style of chair with uniform size and shape, Doflmingo shin is as long or longer than the back of the chair he's in and the marine next to him the back of his chair is as long as his entire torso.--Swg66 01:15, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The chair maybe a good comparison I guess. However, it looks almost like it's leaning backwards, like Doflamingo's weight is distorting it.Mugiwara Franky 02:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

well to me the chair dosn't look distorted, and the chair looks exactly the same os the others, all of the back of the chairs kinda have a curving back affect to them. Mihawks chair looks exactly like his and so does the marine next to him--Swg66 03:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually this was taken from the bounties page. "It is currently unknown how Bege received his bounty." "It is unknown how his bounty became so high." It's pretty much the same thing. Drunk Samurai 05:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The two sentences are actually somewhat different.


 * "It is currently unknown how Bege received his bounty." The sentence is stating that the crime that Bege did to warrant such a bounty is unknown. It's basically saying that the actions that Bege did to get a bounty are unknown, the process of how he got he a bounty.


 * "It is unknown how his bounty became so high." On the surface, the sentence seems similar but on further analysis, it's very different. The sentence is somewhat stating that Doflamingo did certain unknown actions to make his bounty become much higher than it was before. It's basically saying that the process of how he increased his former bounty is unknown. This is abit confusing as it suggests that Doflamingo's former bounty is not his first.
 * Mugiwara Franky 06:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

How is still the proper word to use. Also it doesn't suggest that his bounty wasn't his first. That's your own interpretation and it's a wrong one. Drunk Samurai 06:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * How - denotes manner as explained here, here, and here.


 * Why - denoted reason as explained here also, here, and here.


 * The sentence in question we are arguing about is stating that the reason of which Doflamingo's bounty is so high is unknown. For "how" to work in the sentence, it should be accompanied with "come", in other words "how come".Mugiwara Franky 06:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Power's
I can't be stated his powers are speculated to be devil fuit --Swg66 22:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) . we have no idea what his powers are
 * 2) .It say's right in it it's only a speculation
 * 3) . speculations Do Not belong in articals

Speculation rules back Swg66 in this case... We had the same problem with Dragon and came to the conclusion you can't write certain things like this out that way. (Now I hope Dragon's page is still the same saying that and no one's altered it.O_o). One-Winged Hawk 22:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Where has it been stated/seen that he can control 2 people at once? Just curious..


 * Yeah, where's that? I haven't seen it too. Rutim 11:56, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, then why do you say all those Supernovas, Marines, and other people are Devil Fruit users, despite not having their fruits named? All those people are "speculated" to be Devil Fruit users, so why not Doflamingo? Also, it would appear that Doflamingo is a Devil Fruit user. I mean, what else is there? He is a human, not a giant or something like that. Yatanogarasu 23:14, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The thing with the other characters is that they have Devil Fruit powers is clear. A man that acts like a castle with little people inside is clearly a Devil Fruit user. They are also some who have been clearly stated by characters to be Devil Fruit users without their Devil Fruit's name being shown.


 * With Doflamingo, its hard to tell if what he's doing is Devil Fruit based or not. He could be using a form of Devil Fruit power that grants puppetry, or he could be using extremely thin strings stored in his coat. It's just not clear.Mugiwara Franky 06:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Hands
I dont know but are his hands different right here

The quote
We're getting into a edit war over this however, so lets get an agreement between us.


 * 1) I am not against a quote there
 * 2) This guy us full of GREAT quotes, so its not important we use it here and with two quotes on an smallish page already I'm slightly concerned.
 * 3) Its on the Justice page and I think since its a quote on someone's opinion on justice, thats where it belongs.
 * 4) Okay, my opinion how he feels about being in the war would be better, he spoke only a chapter or two befoer that one on it.

So a discussion has to be made on this it seems, I feel that quote is wasted here, since although the discussion between me and the user(s? I can't remember who I've spoken to, sore memory) nothing came to a conclusion. However the editor felt there was. One-Winged Hawk 18:12, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, erasing ALL quotes was totally uncalled for and should NEVER happen. If theres ache over one quote, then talk and settle it, I don't know why the rest disppeared but I'm suprised they did. If there are tantrums and spoilt brat symtoms flying in the air here, please leave them elsewhere before you edit; we've got more serious things to do. If its an accident, then thats understandable, but still unacceptable. I'm not the authourity to ask people to stop this, but I can comment on how annoying it is to be in edit wars over silly things which edit in carelessness. One-Winged Hawk 18:19, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Those two quotes are Doflamongo's most signficant quotes. Besides, having quotes does not disrupt the layou of the article; in fact, in cases like this, they serve better than plain text ever could. Not to mention that other articles like Kuma have 3-4 quotes. Two quotes is fine.71.46.49.251 18:45, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its a significant quote, yes, but it doesn't mean it belonged HERE! As I said, it belongs on the Justice page, and it is. Kuma's page has more quotes? I need to check that out. At any regards, the size of the page and the supporting text should be considered. Quotes aremore or less regardable in the same text as images, except there is no need to constantly repeat them on dozens of pages. One-Winged Hawk 07:49, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

my bad, didn't mean to delete all quotes, i didn't even notice that it happene--Swg66 18:53, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Accepted. One-Winged Hawk 07:49, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Okay we've got Two quotes in question now...

Okay listen, that OTHER quote notes Doflamingo's OPINION ON DREAMS as well as WHY BELLAMY WAS DEFEATED. If we weigh it against the Justice quote, then its less important, as that only expressed ONE opinion on a SINGLE matter. This one however expresses TWO opinions on TWO different subjects that were related in this one incident. Plus, unlike the other quote we've got in question here, there is no other page it can go on. We can't put it on, say a dreams page, because although its about Doflamingo's opinion on dreams, it was also not related to dreams. This is a quote that could ONLY go on either Bellamy's OR Doflamingo's pages respectively.

If we can't settle this stupid edit war, I'm going to have to ask MF to lock this page. One-Winged Hawk 08:00, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * All I'm gonna say is that quotes are like images. If there is enough space for a quote and if it is placed properly, then it can stay. For the Doflamingo quote about justice, maybe putting it in the justice article would be proper I guess. Also there's a chance that he'll say something else in the next chapters, the guy simply sticks more than just his tongue out of that mouth. For the moment, I guess wait until the arc is over or at least until a couple of future chapters.Mugiwara Franky 11:34, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * All he says to Bellamy is "you should listen to other people". That's not as important nor as significant as his thoughts on how the world works and how "justice" is warped. It's in the Justice page? Good, it belongs there too. But it also belongs here, since it's much more critical to his character than him telling Bellamy to listen to people. Buh6173 17:33, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * No he also says quite clearly, the existance of peoples' dreams are something he is not intereasted. One-Winged Hawk 08:07, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * All he was saying is that he didn't care whether or not Sky Island or the city of gold existed; he wasn't saying anything about dreams. However, if you feel that strongly towards the quote, then we should keep all three. Buh6173 13:15, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you read up, MF's recommendation is we leave the third quote off until the arc finishes, in case something better comes up. One-Winged Hawk 15:41, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think what he was saying is wait and see if he has a better quote, and if he does, then use that quote instead, but for now leave this one. Whether that's what he meant or not, I think that would be the best decision. Buh6173 16:09, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

So far when the history of the page comes up, most of what is seen is this edit war. Is the quote significant, yes. Does it really need to be on the page, depends whether or not there is space or whether the guy will say anything else. In any case, decor like images and quotes shouldn't really take precedence in an ongoing arc. They help illustrate things however without a clear picture of the whole situation from beginning to end, one can't really say the flavor of the week is super important. At the very least, one can't say the flavor is super important that it needs to be super emphasized until the next flavor comes up.

Alot of the edit wars being waged currently are apparently mostly focused on decor like images and quotes. When certain decor is reduced for the sake of the text, a war happens. I'm starting to get fed up as the focus of the wikia, information, is becoming less important to such decor. It's true that some parts in the wikia require decor however some parts require the focus of the wikia more. Due to current events, all sorts of epic stuff is coming up. I think its best to focus more on recording the events rather than prettifying the information. We can do that when its all over.Mugiwara Franky 16:53, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I hear you out MF, we never had to have such a thing called Image Guidelines either... And at one point I was spending an hour at least a day reading manga pages. These days I'm reading the chapters twice and not taking it further. The reason for the IG page was to aid in stopping the decor. I'm finding the argument over the quote silly, and even more annoying I'm in this thing. I regret ever adding that template here somewhat, but it was needed at the time. A few of the quotes... Its getting silly. I'm starting to hope there won't need to be guidelines for quotes, because that seems pitiful to go THAT far.


 * Reminds me of my days as a Beyblade fan... We had a forum, no rules... But over time, we had to add rules because someone abused the rulelessness. But then we realised we weren't having fun anymore. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 20:38, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, can't bring myself to like that quote staying, I'm tired of the edit war. Okay following MFs advice, we'll end it here, continue this when the arc is over. Right now I'm as sick of this as MF is, maybe more because I'm the one at the centre of this. When I first added it to the Justice page I didn't think it was ever worthy of being on Doflamingo's as its a long quote for any page and I had my doubts for the Justice page based on that. Now I'm tired, Buh's not backing down and I'm getting annoyed wasting time on this. I've explained my reason against it and it shouldn't have had to come to a edit war.


 * So lets end this, we'll rediscuss that quote at the end of the current arc. Right now, I'm regretting I ever added that quote templte to care to think about them. This is the second or third, possibly the fourth time they've annoyed me. When I added the quote temple it was so we could have 2 or 3 quotes per page (nothing more I note). My general annoyance has been here since the CP9 sixth forms page where theres quote (and pointless ones I note) splattered all over the place. One-Winged Hawk 20:54, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Doflamingo's homeland
I have a little question: Where it is said Doflamingo is from the North Blue? I don't remember it from the manga nor the anime...--Omartron 18:48, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Well, since Bellamy is from the North Blue, it is assumed that Doflamingo is from there as well seeing as the Bellamy Pirates were and are the only known pirate organization to be under his control. Even though his true homeland has yet to be revealed, given his ties with Bellamy, I'd say that him being from the North Blue is a pretty safe bet. --DancePowderer 03:22, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * If that's the only piece of evidence, then that would be speculation, no? Buh6173 03:36, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * But that's a lame logic (don't misunderstand me), I mean, the most obvious example is the Straw Hat Crew: the fact Sanji is from North Blue do not make his captain from North Blue as well. I think is speculation. --Omartron 15:37, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm agreeing on it being speculation here. You could argue its an educated guess, but Omartron pointed out the flaw is presuming things like that. One-Winged Hawk 16:04, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to say it was a fact, or even a likely fact, it was just my opinion based on what has been revealed so far. I know speculation is bad, I'll do my best to avoid it in the future. I just realized though that if you think about it, Boa Hancock, Jinbei, and in a way Gecko Moria the only shichibukai to have their homelands revealed.--DancePowderer 01:56, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * The whole crew is from North Blue.Mugiwara Franky 17:53, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * He's probably just talking about the Bellamy Pirates, not Doflamingo. The Pope 18:11, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its however kinda interesting. With the Sanji being from North Blue also makes Luffy also from North Blue case, it proves false as that's just one character. With the Doflamingo case, it's not just one character but the whole crew. A guy commanding a whole North Blue crew and is not a native to North Blue himself seems a bit far fetched. It is possible what with Luffy's crew however the whole crew with the same nationality appears to be more pointed.Mugiwara Franky 18:21, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, Bellamy Pirates isn't his crew; they're just one crew working beneath him. The Pope 18:31, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Orientation
Just a quick observation, Doflamingo said "You got some mouth on you!! Fufu! How about you and I hook up?" I'm not sure whether he was saying it to Jozu or Crocodile but could that, coupled with his already flamboyant outfit, be a possible implication that he is gay? Jozu said diamond jaws and Crocodile threatenend him, so he could mean either a figurative or literal mouth. Hook up could just refer to him taking control of Jozu. I don't know, what do you guys think?--DancePowderer 01:12, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I really think this belongs in a forum, but I guess I'll just say that by "hook up" he meant team up. Not romantically. That would just be ridiculous, especially in the middle of a battlefield. Buh6173 01:27, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

he was asking to team up not "hook up" in a romantic reaionship, all the early tranlations he asked to team up, thts just te spin franky house took on what he said, he wasn't asking for a date he was askng to team up--Swg66 03:07, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe he meant it as a joke refering to Crocdile's hook while asking to team up?

Front Image
Isn't it more significant to use the image from the anime source? Think in the case of Kuma, where his anime color scheme is far off from his manga one, yet it still stays as it is. The Pope 17:42, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * The anime changed Doflamigo's colorscheme to match the manga's. For Kuma, his manga colorscheme was changed to match the anime's.Mugiwara Franky 17:50, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * His current anime color scheme I believe is still slightly different from that of his manga, as the sunglasses are colored differently. Should we still use an image from the current anime, or what? The Pope 04:29, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * While the glasses are differently colored, the anime still hasn't shown a proper full body shot of him in his new color scheme I believe. The manga image on the other hand, is closer to what is being currently portrayed in the anime and is the only image so far that meets minimum requirements.Mugiwara Franky 04:42, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * So if/when we get a proper full-body shot of Doflamingo in his new color scheme, should we use that, even if that glasses are shaded differently? The Pope 12:00, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * What is the main reason behind the use of anime images in the articles? I think the images from manga are better than those of the anime (way better) so, what's the deal with the selection of images? We just can't use the manga images instead of anime images?

I feel sorry if my english skills aren't that good... I tried my best... Greetings Omartron 02:29, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's pretty much an established rule to have all images used from the anime, if possible. The Pope 03:09, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I see... But why? The manga images are way better than the anime ones, they´re cleaner, more stylised, better proportions, and the last but no least, they´re drawed by Oda himself... (My apologies, I wrote the last message without sign in. Greetings Omartron 00:35, October 23, 2009 (UTC))

Jumping ability
Do you think that...  is possible that Doflamingo's jumping ability is due to his wires devil fruit? It would be somehow like Spiderman's threads.

Don Quixote de la Mancha
In my opinion, this article doesn't mention enough about the Don Quixote after which this character was explicitly named. Cervantes' Don Quixote de la Mancha is a household name in certain parts of the world, and I believe he deserves more of a mention than an external link at the bottom of the page. Possibly something in the initial paragraph saying something along the lines of "named after Spanish fictional character Don Quixote". 2xN 07:02, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Red Line Official
I think it's worth noting that the government official he talked to was pretty important and worth mentioning. He works in Marijoa, has his own huge office, and has the ability to tell Doflamingo what to do. Even if it's an unknown picture, I think he should be noted in the government area. Oda is clearly going to have him play a larger role in all of this already. Plus he has a mob style dealing happening with him.


 * Daniel 4:38 8/13/2010

There's not enough information known about him right now that would help to make a page for him. No personality, no rank, and most of all no name. Making a page for him now would be the same as making a page for each individual member of the Gorousei or the unnamed members of CP9 from 20 years ago. There simply isn't enough information on him to make a good article. Once more info, or at least his name, is revealed then we'll make a page for him.DancePowderer 02:57, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Can we get an more updated picture of this guy? This guy seems interesting also.

He was only shown in that one scene, so we don't have any other picture. Just be patient, and he will probably be revealed in due time. Also, please sign your posts.DancePowderer 18:18, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reg. Chapter Abilites and Powers
"He is the only Shichibukai known to fight one of his fellow comrades (Gecko Moria) and actually seriously hurt him (though to be fair he was aided by a small group of Pacifistas)."

Is this statement really true. I have search trough all the arches and can't find a reference. Help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs)  02:49, August 16, 2010. Please sign your posts with ~ next time!
 * (end of Whitebear war...he kills Gecko) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs)  15:15, April 19, 2011. Please sign your posts with ~ next time!

Was my edit Donquixote Doflamingo addition okay?
Was my edit to Donquixote Doflamingo addition, ok? About him not being seen nervous? Thekindwellmeaningone 01:43, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Scum of the Sea
Are you sure it's okay to add that as his epithet? I mean, Sengoku did call him that, but wouldn't he be referring to pirates in general? Yatanogarasu 22:56, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I would have removed that if I had noticed it. I'm taking it out. In fact it was just added today. SeaTerror 23:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Were my additions ok?
Were my additions to Donquixote Doflamingo trivia, okay? Iamnofool 03:59, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Haki?
Is it possible that Doflamingo's powers are Haoshoku haki at a mastered form or something? 62.38.19.209 19:56, October 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * No. It's utterly distinct from the function of Haki. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 19:58, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

it's pretty much impossible,but if it is it shall be added when it is confirmed The Humaniod Typhoon 12:15, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Doflamingo-only picture
Hey everyone, i recently uploaded another version of Doflamingos frontimage. It is actually the same picture, just without Mihawk and Boa Hancock (in the back). While I just intend to use it on my user page, maybe we could use it also for the official site? It doesn't look to bad and to be honest, pictures showing other characters in the background are horrible (might be ok for trash characters that appear only briefly in the anime...but this is a shichibukai).

What do you guys think? (especially the ones that put so much work into his site - well done) Jinbe 01:02, January 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Calling 'horrible' pictures that have been uploaded by others just because the background is visible isn't a very nice thing to say, Jinbe. If you intended only to have that picture on your user page, you should have used external hotlinking and not have uploaded it in the wikia though. Many unused images have piled up and serve only to take up space, something that has become a problem. Furthermore new users register and upload their own images without looking first if they have already been uploaded by others! It's not your fault that you didn't know about this but please keep it in mind from now on.


 * Now about your image with Doflamingo. Your idea was certainly in good faith alright but the lines around his coat appear to have been badly cropped and doesn't give a good look to it. Having the background removed from a character is the least important thing to do when you are working with profile images. Look at Hancock's page where are having problems finding a suitable one for her profile... Focusing more on finding suitable images for character's that have low quality ones would be much appreciated. ^_^ MasterDeva 07:05, January 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh don't get me wrong, the picture itself is amazing, to be honest it is the perfect balance between fullbody and a good view of the upper half, I just find other characters on the picture somewhat irritating. It is not that bad in this case, but other profile images include up to 3 different characters. A good example was Fukurous previous image with a fullbody Jyabura on the picture and half of Lucci's body.


 * Sure, most of the contributors here know who is who, but I always imagine a new visitor that wants to read up on a previous arc without watching the whole thing. If such a person has to "guess" which character is meant, something must be wrong.


 * That just to explain why I don't like people in the back (a good background can be amazing, see Kizaru's, Kuma's). I don't even have something against the picture already used for Doflamingo, just thought "hm, while I'm at it, maybe others would like it too".


 * Anyway, thanks for your reply, tips and reasons - still getting used to the mechanisms hereJinbe 13:39, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Eventually we will get an image of him by himself. Just whenever Oda has him fight the Straw Hats or whoever else. SeaTerror 17:06, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Controlling two people at once?
Where was it ever said in the manga or shown in the anime that he can control two people at the same exact time? I haven't read the manga so I can't speak for it, but I have never seen him control two people in the anime, he just controls one person and attacks the other person. The capoe123 14:47, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Chapter 233, he controls two Marines at the same time, making them fight each other. He also made Bellamy and Sarquiss fight each other by controlling them. 15:12, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

There is indeed no sign that Doflamingo controlled both marines. Actually, the opposite is the case: Kaizeruhige is attacked by the other marine and tries to break free by grabbing the unnamed marine's hands, which implies that he has still control over his body.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/marinesp.jpg/

So, at least this case isn't clear.

The Sarquiss incident isn't obvious as well, but in chapter 303 he says something that definitely leads in the direction:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/146/bellamysaqrquis.jpg/

"Why are you doing this!!!?? Let us go"

Thats enough evidence for me. Tho the marine incident isn't the best reference. 16:41, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I recommend to read chapter 234 again, that one is really full of badassery. 16:44, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wait a minute... In both cases, Doflamingo controled only one.. He only controled the Marine that attacked Kaizeruhige, while Kaizeruhige wanted to escape, and only Sarquiss to beat up Bellamy.. Let us go can mean to leave them alone in peace and do not attack them.... 17:03, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

@LPK

Yeah, I wondered about the same, but why should Bellamy just stay there, letting Sarquiss slice him up? Luffy damaged him greatly, but he could still move. Im not against removing the "control two people" thing if you guys think its not enough evidence, but it doesn't kill me if it stays. 17:07, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Bellamy should have been able to dodge or defend against the attack. I also thought they were both running toward each other when Doflamingo made them strike the finishing blow offscreen. 17:10, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, controlling 2 people is the only way Bellamy could've been killed, what reason would he have to stay there and not try to escape? リチャー ド  M ornin'!  17:18, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Do you guys think that Doflamingo would control a person to only defend himself ? And Bellamy seemed that he was begging to let him alive and was not trying to harm Sarquiss. Also in the final strike Sarquiss sliced him from behind while Bellamy begged on the floor. 17:20, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well, he didn't defend himself, he just stood there. And Bellamy is Devil Fruit user after all, and his DF is known for speed. He could have escaped easily if we apply "logic" here. Flamingo restraining him would make sense. 17:31, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

But One Piece is not like real life. That you can run and escape from a battle. Pirates in One Piece stay to fight for their pride and dont try to run like cowards. Well except Usopp. Bellamy didn't attack at all. Also if Doflamingo didn't try to control him its the same as he was exhausted and full of blood. I know it doesnt make any difference but I stick to my opinions. 17:38, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Woah, didn't mean to start this. But during the Bellamy fight, I think either Bellamy was too injured to run away or he refused to cause of honor, and he also refused to fight his friend. I think he can't control more than one person at a time.The capoe123 02:49, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly.. 17:00, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I just checked the chapter 303, and while the images aren't too clear, the dialogue suggests both are being controlled. The crew says "Stay away from them". Sarquiss says "Let us go." Even though he didn't have Bellamy move and Sarquiss did all the attacking, it looks like Bellamy was under his control, but wasn't moving, similar to what he did to Atmos right before turning him against his crew. 17:13, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sigh, I remember the scene you are talking about DP, but I can't pinpoint which episode it was. I could swear Bellamy and Sarquiss ran toward each other in a silhouette-style scene. 19:17, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

In the end it shows Bellamy get sliced by Sarquiss from the back as he begs Doflamingo to stop it. 15:38, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Stopping Jozu
It's hard to tell, but when Doflamingo stopped Jozu right before he could attack Crocodile again, were Jozu's feet on the ground? If no, then we should put something about how he can stop his targets in mid-air like that. 14:54, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I think they were on solid ground, when you compare Jozu's feet with Crocodiles:

http://www.mangareader.net/103-36562-8/one-piece/chapter-561.html

http://www.mangareader.net/103-35241-13/one-piece/chapter-560.html

On the other hand, Doflamingo's legs look like they just had to "dampen" the impact of a landing, if you know what I mean. In any case, I don't think we should guess when it is not necessary, stopping a monster like Jozu tells us enough about his hax-powers. 15:16, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Jozu was on the ground. A few pages (or chapters) later you see Jozu standing on the ground

I think DP is referring to my second link, where Jozu is still in his charge 15:22, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Lofulamingo???
I found this translation online? and I notice many significant differences between old chapter(<450) and new chapter (450--> now), so is this a mis-translation or a change from Oda himself? 12:31, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

http://www.onepiecehq.com/mangareader/images/224/2.jpg

That's a mistranslation, the current spelling of Doflamingo is the correct one. Many early chapters had serious translation errors, such as Marshall D. Teach initially being translated as Masuru D. Chocheh. KuroAshi98 12:38, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

So not cool! Did the official volume have the same mistakes? or just the free scan? thanks in advance.

After timeskip pic
I dont know how to make a after tieskip thingy to add his picture in, someone do that please? 21:44, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Actually I removed since he didn't changed at all over the two years... so a switch is unnecessary.

The post timeskip picture should stay. As other charcter such as Boodle, Chouchou and Dalton have post timeskip pictures and haven't physically changed. Doxonquixote Doflamingo is no different. Besty17 (talk) 23:47, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Those guys at least had a change in wardrobe. Doflamingo hasn't had a change in anything. 23:55, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Look at his pants. Look at his shirt. The pink fuzzy thing isn't even there, that looks more like his couch. He's had a slight change in wardrobe. 00:06, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

We decided here that only characters who only physically changed should get a switch, so we should remove the switch on any other characters who has it, but didn't changed. Some people started adding switches for every character who reappeared post-timeskip, so people mistook it as the standard guideline. Even if he has a different outfit it doesn't matter, many people in One Pice change their outfit even after a single saga so that's not really a reason. Beside isn't he sitting on his feather-cloak? Even when he was called by Disco before the great war he wasn't wearing that...(File:Disco_Calls_Doflamingo.png, by the way could this possibly be Dresrosa? Well we cannot confirm it though...)

That was his cloak, since he wasn't wearing it and no one in their right mind makes a feather couch like that. And we already have Dressrosa's first appearance down as 504. 00:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

The timeskip pic is needed. Who cares if he didn't physically change... Chopper didn't, Brook is wearing new clothes, but not a physical change, Carne, Patty, Crocus, Iceburg.. and so many more. Put the Doflamingo one back. Galaxy9000 (talk) 01:16, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

If we don't have a switch for Doflamingo, why do we have one for Jinbe? Neither of them really had any significant wardrobe changes, unlike the Straw Hats. 01:19, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

There was a forum about it. A rule was decided. If you don't like it, go open up the forum again. Stop fighting it for every. single. picture. If you're citing example of people without physical changes, go remove them instead of using them as evidence to fight the rule. 01:23, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Very few characters made a physical change post-timeskip. If we only make the rule for characters who did, there's almost no point. 01:24, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly Nada. I'm citing them because I think they deserve to stay too. Everybody should get a post skip image. Galaxy9000 (talk) 01:30, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be significant outfit and physical changes only. Therefore, Jinbe and Doflamingo get no switch and all the Straw Hats and Law keep theirs. We can't be inconsistent here. 01:33, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Or... everybody gets one, and we don't have to argue about what is "enough change" Galaxy9000 (talk) 01:36, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

If we did it for every appearance, such as Hancock, then it just looks redundant. Look at Hancock pretimeskip and posttimeskip. There is literally no difference. 01:42, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Then enough change should be 1. Did they change their clothes? Yes? Change.

2. Do they look different? Yes? Change.

Galaxy9000 (talk) 01:45, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

For those of you that haven't seen it, the discussion has moved here:

Forum:Pre/Post timeskip switch

03:38, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

agreed with nada about hancock DCNR (talk) 17:38, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

i disagrre with nada. you just have't notice but hancock has change a little over the 2 years time skip.Kattylove (talk) 21:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

nope nico is rite hancock haven't change a bit :/.

Sassy-Robin (talk) 14:49, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

tell me katty what change do you see on hancock. katty go take a good look at hancock before and after.and tell me wat you see cahnge.

 Nico ❤❤❤  02:33, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Boa Hancock haven't change over the time skip neither did Doflamingo

kylie (talk) 01:14, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

and let us not forget Luffy .in some episode he look the same :/ Nico ❤❤❤  18:52, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Doflamingo's Haki
When Monet starts attacking Doflamingo, was he using Haki? I mean it's the same when Rayleigh shows what Kenbunshoku Haki to Luffy while dodging the elephant's nose. And he didn't pay much attention to Baby 5.

I'm sorry, it's Baby 5 not Monet.

If he was using Haki, we have no evidence for it. 01:21, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Levitation?
wasn't that just geppo? FirePit (talk) 02:50, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

No, if you look at the air stream pattern behind him, it's inconsistent with geppo. 03:12, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

You know what, sky path could be that invisible road that Scratchmen Apoo was running on before.Kibaou (talk) 21:16, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

That's a really good theory you have there friend, the only thing which is a little off from it is that Doflamingo was seen using his fingers in the same way as he use to when he does attack and stuff, although it may just be a habit of his that he can't get rid of. WonderfulUnicorn (talk) 16:56, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well,I don't think it is a sky path 17:16, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

If so, then why not? Please do explain your own opinions? WonderfulUnicorn (talk) 17:37, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Because as you said he's using his fingers and that means something.In addition,as I recall,he used this ability to dodge Crocodile's sambles during the war and probably to dodge Oars' attack on him. 17:51, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Talk pages are meant to be used to discuss the article, not to speculate. Take that to a forum or a blog.

This is a discussion. We're discussing that should levitation should be in the Abilities and Powers, speaking of which I believe we should wait til further knowledge about it. Oh, and its sables you meant.Kibaou (talk) 07:46, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

yes,I accidentally pressed "M" 07:50, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

The Sky Road is just the same thing Apoo was shown running on when the New World was first shown. SeaTerror (talk) 08:41, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Yes,I know 08:46, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Abilities and Powers section
As anyone can see, the current section is just a little muddler, so I made a fixed version. No important info gone lost, and if any, just say me and I'll add to it. In the history of the talk and page you can see a fixed and shorter version.

I already added it, but SeaTerror reverted it, then I post it here so anyone can see and say in the end if I can replage the Abilities and Powers section or not. Rayleigh92 (talk) 20:50, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * And in the 698 chapters the strings are visible when he cuts the G-5 people. So indeed he is a Paramecia DF user. Can someone please fix it? - - - Lasaro Ginjou (talk) 11:12, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

You don't add a whole friggin section from a page to the talk page. What the hell do you think links and page histories are for? 19:05, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

I very apologize. I'll delete it Rayleigh92 (talk) 19:10, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't prove anything, Lasaro. SeaTerror (talk) 01:20, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

"Don" Quixote Doflamingo
Is it possible that the "Don" in Donquixote Doflamingo is simply the same as the "Don" in Don Krieg? In that case it shouldn't be included in his name.

I think that "Donquixote" is a spanish name 14:36, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

It is his name, as can be seen from the way it is written and from his bounty poster.
 * P.S.

Yes,I forgot about that 16:34, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Oh okay, nevermind then.

Protect page
Hi,

Can someone protect this page, so that no one can change something for a period? Because I am really irritated about those edits in the infobox: king of dressrosa, king of dressrosa (former). Thank you in advance. Zoeyua (talk) 18:27, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

No. This page shouldn't be protected. SeaTerror (talk) 18:31, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you think that because you admit that you're wrong and you're going to stop edit warring, or do you think that because you want to edit it again? If it's the latter, then the page should be locked. 18:39, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not wrong but we can use this section for it. The newspaper only mentioned him revoking his Shichibukai status. SeaTerror (talk) 18:54, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'll bring my proof.

Now you bring your proof. If not, it's already decided.


 * If I may add, Sewil's page is translated by CCC. It's not a Mangapanda fast trad.


 * SeaTerror. First of all, Doflamingo renounced his title as king of Dressrosa and he left the Shichibukai. Second, are you even able to protect this page? If yes, please, do so. In the last two days I have gotten at least twenty notifications telling me that Doflamingo is still king or not longer. That means that other people have, too. If no, keep out of this and let one of them decide. Zoeyua (talk) 19:06, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Good enough for me. I was wrong. Also nobody cares if you get the notifications. They will not lock the page unless absolutely needed. SeaTerror (talk) 19:08, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Prince or King?
Are we sure he was called the king and not the prince of Dressrosa? I've seen both in translations. 17:48, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I've seen "taken throne", which sounds a little less accurate but more safe. Can princes even take thrones? 17:51, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality Not exactly the same thing but close enough. SeaTerror (talk) 18:58, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Haki
The page states that the first time it shows Doflamingo using Haki was when he fought Smoker, but wouldn't the first time he used it would be when he was able to touch Crocodile even though his body is sand? 207.157.80.3 18:28, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

He only touched Crocodile's hook when it was solid enough to strike with. No Haki needed. Good point though. 18:31, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

A change in his character
I noticed something about him before the timeskip that should be mentioned here. Before the timeskip he used to talk about the new age over and over again but after the timeskip he now talks about the smilies. Anyone notice that?

Joekido (talk) 01:08, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

The absence of talking about something can't really be proof of a change in personality. It's very likely the subject just hasn't come up yet. And even then, he hasn't talked of Smiles in broader (or metaphorical) terms, just about the fruit. 02:48, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

This makes no sense. He mentioned Smiles before the timeskip too, by the way. 03:07, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Luffy hasn't mentioned meat or food in a while, yet you don't see someone calling for that change to be made on his page. It's simply not a relevant topic for him at this juncture, ergo he doesn't talk about it. 03:47, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

New pictures worth adding?
How about adding pictures from the anime such as Doflamingo is flying to Punk Hazard? his Haki in the anime? defeating Smoker? and being frozen, my argument these pictures along with other anime photos of many other characters is that it shows everybody/the audience to be able to tell everything apart from everything else something which is otherwise difficult to do, unless the entire manga is color printed, so how about it?--JustaNobody (talk) 04:18, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Uhm, did you read the page?

Joekido (talk) 04:22, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

I did, before I posted, so what of it?--JustaNobody (talk) 20:01, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes the manga pictures are better. 20:20, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

Biting his thumb
Is it safe to say that Doflamingo is starting to feel nervous since he is biting his thumb? Anima40 (talk) 19:50, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

It is obvious but where do you want to mention it?

Personality. If it's something he does when he's nervous, it should go there. 22:05, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Just in the history part we could say when he was interrogating Law he was showign signs of nervousness. 149.144.150.251 00:02, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Swordsmen
In chapter 742, when Kyros cuts his leg and attempts to attack Doflamingo, he is about to defend himself with a sword (if you look closely you can see him holding a sword). This probably is a one time incident, but should we put him in the "Swordsmen" category?

Did we put him in the Sniper category when he shot Law? Of course not.

11:16, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Let's have second look at this, shall we?

"This is a list of swordsmen and swordswomen—that is, sword wielding characters." DD was wielding a sword wasn't he?

Also, people already in this category:
 * Gol D. Roger (seen wielding a sword only once, not seen using it ever)
 * Galdino (seen holding a sword while disguised as an executioner, never used it)
 * Kuroobi (Fishman Karate specialist, tbh I don't even remember him with a sword)

I can find more examples there but I think I made my point. Also, there are many knife and dagger users in this category, like Buggy, Wanze, Sarkies,which beats me.

Should we then add Luffy to the Swordsman category? After all, he was seen actually fighting with swords against Arlong. Just because Doflamingo held a sword once doesn't make him a swordsman. He has to have been seen fighting with it and with at least some skill. And Kuroobi had a sword in the flashback, he cut up the mayor with it.

12:59, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Last I checked, bullets and sharp edged work differently. To be in the sniper category there are certain requirements one must meet, those are either being called a sniper or demonstrating sufficient skill as a sniper. Any idiot can shoot downward at point blank range, so Doffy ain't no sniper. We're a bit looser when it comes to swordsmen. It's really anyone who has been seen carrying or using swords. So yeah, he's a swordsman. Don't compare apples to oranges. 17:12, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Dead in Chapter 743?
Is his fruit 100% confirmed as a paramecia? Because if it is, then should we consider him dead? Decapitation is fatal for non-logia users.. Mandon (talk) 08:25, April 2, 2014 (UTC)



Yep. Totally fatal. But seriously, there's roughly a 100% chance that he's just going to connect his head and body back together with his strings (ala Ragyo from Kill la Kill), so no. 09:12, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

I too doubt that he is dead, it would be anticlimactic if he died that easily. I am iffy though at how we should handle this. It wouldn't make much sense if we added him to the deceased category only to have him removed when the next chapter comes. Then again he has been referred to as "dead" by Luffy. Personally I'm against classifying him as dead just yet. MasterDeva (talk) 09:32, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Only source I've found for the fruit being paramecia is from the game, Gigant Battle 2. Havent found any manga or Oda SBS source. Could have been a logia this whole time? (Sorry if I havent used proper etiquette or formatting in my response). 58.168.143.77 11:03, April 2, 2014 (UTC)Wiki fan / contributor

Don't jump the gun. Be patient for seven more days. Five, if you like reading the spoilers. A decision doesn't have to be made now, now, now. Just wait for confirmation like with any other potential fatality. Especially when that potential fatality is the major antagonist at the hands of a support character. 11:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

This is gonna be fun...Ok realistically, there is a 0% chance for DD to be dead. What we should challenge is the class of his devil fruit, in my opinion. Also, @Kuro, judging by Oda's history with cliffhangers, we might have to wait more that a week to learn the truth.

String isn't an element. We've seen him take damage. Cut the "this is Oda" crap and look at it for what it is. We call him dead until further notice. 15:35, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

One thing we can't ignore is the lack of any blood. I'm pretty sure every time we've seen a logia user dismembered there's been no sign of blood. We know Kyros's cuts make blood because of his leg, so that makes the lack of blood something on Doflamingo's end. Besides this, there's no reason to believe the Ito Ito no Mi is Logia, but even so, it's calling my thoughts into question. 16:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Like nudity, Oda is not fond of blood in excess. Lopping off a guy's head causes blood to shoot from the neck like a geyser. It's not as realistic, but hey I don't draw the series. 16:14, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

We should call him dead. Decapitation tends to be the sort, and unless a bunch of super doctors are around, they won't be able to help. I don't think he is, but we have to do it. It's the best thing to do until it is confirmed.

Nobody700 (talk) 16:40, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure he's not dead, but hey, only a blind man would negate the evidence. So the best thing to do should be: we add the category "deceased", and next week, seeing he's still alive, we remove it. --Meganoide (talk) 16:49, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Waiting will no harm, let's all be patient about this issue until, everything is made more clearer. 16:55, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

There is the possibility that Law used Room, that's why there is no blood. Law was awake and noticed when Kyros stormed in. How he used Room while he is chained bugs me, though. Martios (talk) 16:58, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

He was unheaded. That makes him dead until we see otherwise. 17:10, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Honestly I dont think we should come to a conclusion yet there are many possible ways that he survived even if he is not a logia type, Id say wait next week  Brocodile   Talk 17:17, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Obviously isn't dead... Mr. Whatever (talk) 17:20, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

But like other characters, we'll treat him as such until we learn otherwise. 17:42, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Brocodile. But this is kind of the Beta Beta no Mi argument again, it he does but his head back on, it doesnt make him Logia Njb36 (talk) 17:49, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Or just be patient and don't make the wiki look stupid. He isn't dead. Mr. Whatever (talk) 17:50, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

We don't put what we think is most likely to happen in articles. I agree that he isn't dead but lets look at the facts: he isn't a logia, he was beheaded and Luffy said that he's dead. We should only include what was in the chapter and everything there points to him being dead. 18:49, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Consider it this way, if this was the last chapter of One Piece, nobody would disput that he is dead. That's how I think new chapters should be treated. To assume he's not dead is speculation. PrelateZeratul (talk) 19:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

So everyone's cool with calling him dead until we learn the secret behind his magic trick? 19:14, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Obviously not, since there are plenty of people saying no. Mr. Whatever (talk) 19:15, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Truth is, he isn't dead. But... people in the manga said he's dead and we show his head flying off so yeah, put him in the category for a few days. 19:17, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not taking any sides, but don't we still have that "Presumably Deceased" category? 19:22, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

That would be an okay category for him to be in, but it doesn't seem to exist :/ Mr. Whatever (talk) 19:24, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Look - with the confirmed information we have, he's dead. He had his head cut off, and characters said "he's dead". Until we know more facts next week, we have to go on what is confirmed this week. We're not here to discuss whether he'll be cured of death next week. That's irrelevant right now. Let's just add him to the Deceased Characters category now, and when or if he turns out to be ok, we remove him from it. Why is this an argument - oh wait, a certain new user whose edits greatly resemble Gal's edits, and whose delaying tactics also seem familiar.

19:30, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Can I be the first to point out that it was Luffy who said he's dead? That doesn't mean anything. Furthermore, it's as Mr. Whatever said... Listing him as deceased would be premature and make the wiki look unprofessional. Mandon (talk) 22:06, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Luffy's not stupid. He sees someone get their head cut off, he's smart enough to realise that means they're dead. He isn't going to wait and see if there's some mysterious explanation for why Doflamingo might not be dead. And delaying tactics won't work here. The category has already been added. The matter is closed.

22:15, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

So he's confirmed deceased? We can add "Deceased" next to his age? And change all of his statuses to past tense? 22:56, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

I'm reluctant to go ahead with that in case he gets better next week. But if it's all done in one edit, it can be easily reverted.

22:58, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Let's only tag him for now and wait on the nitty gritty details. 23:06, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Well in any case, he is no longer king; the kingdom is screaming for his head. 23:06, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, he's king until he's dethroned, but yes, we might as well remove that too.

23:09, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

All of you never heard of string puppets. Doflamingo like Sabo is so obviously not dead, it would be extremely anti-climatic and Oda doesn't do extremely anti-climatic. Luffy will fight and beat Doflamingo and that's it. OnePieceNation (talk) 23:20, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

WE KNOW! But we have to put him there, because we have no idea how he will be alive, and if people say it happened, then we must put him there. Decapitation is a good way of being put on that list.

Nobody700 (talk) 23:31, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, OPN, as usualy none of your ideas make a lick of sense, so I'm just going to ignore you entirely. 23:33, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Why are you even here anymore? I seem to recall you saying "I don't care about you people anymore! (OnePieceNation (talk) 15:44, February 2, 2013 (UTC))" a year ago. 01:39, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I really don't want to make a big deal of this, but I don't think we should consider him dead at the moment. On one hand, we have a bunch of people saying he's alive because it makes sense for the plot, and on the other people saying we should consider him dead because that's not a good reason. But countless times in chapters where Luffy or some Straw Hat (or most recently Law in the chapter where Doflamingo shoots him) is last seen in a perilous situation we don't suddenly put them in category for dead people. The same people calling him dead now usually say we don't have confirmation in all of those situations. We almost always wait a week at least. For Monet and Vergo it was weeks before we called them dead. Why should we not just wait the week this time for a character whose DF type citation is a non-canon game? Clearly we don't know the extent of his abilities.

Also no matter the outcome of this, a semi or full lock might be a good idea. 01:48, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I was thinking about locking it. Anyway, whether or not he's dead isn't about who's right or wrong. We play this as it lies, not as it will lay. And as it lies right now, Doflamingo just had his head lopped off and according to Web MD, that indicates death. We did this for Kin'emon too. He was dead for several chapters after he got encased in the gas. We had nothing that said otherwise until the others broke him out. We're going with what the manga tells us and not what our guts tell us. Another word for what our guts tell us is speculation. It was only weeks for Monet and Vergo because we had people who decided to waste a lot of time arguing. Calling him dead and leaving it at that is just streamlining the process, unless you'd like to leave this discussion open for a week and hear everyone and their mother's bs theories about string logias. In which case by all means, go ahead. 03:23, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Please do lock the page fans are already debating back and forth and creating multiple threads about the same topic on other forums. Anima40 (talk) 05:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I know I probably have no right to interject here but I also think that locking this is a good idea, there's discussions about this flying all over the place at the moment, on tonnes of forums and blogs. Yeah, the chapter was very interesting, with this outcome obviously creating a lot of controversy... Pretty much anything theorised from here on out is pure speculation. Until next week we'll never know whether hes alive or dead... In my honest opinion, I highly doubt he died but I'm not going to put forward my opinions on why as I feel it'd be beating a dead horse. I just feel Oda wouldn't kill off a main antagonist so easily, it's Luffy's job to deal with them so I just doubt it's true. MasatoHyuuga (talk) 06:24, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

If everyone's so certain of what he'd do then how come those same people always say he's so unpredictable? Fact is, we have no clue what he'd do because he hasn't done it yet, so don't act like you know when you don't. 07:02, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I never assumed to know anything. I'm just as assumptious as everyone else at the moment, but yeah. It's rare Oda kills off characters though, especially main ones, hes only ever done it to a rare few (Ace, WB etc) and most if not all the villains of One Piece have survived their encounters in one way or another. Just gonna wait until next week until i spout off any more guesses. MasatoHyuuga (talk) 08:32, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

What if Pica(who left zoro's location) replaced doflamingo with a stone clone right on time?

193.202.17.249 07:06, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I don't get it, we've been treating the "new Lucy" oppenly as Sabo here in the wiki since day one. Even though not a single hint inside the story was given saying that he is Sabo, we couldn't care less and we are saying it is Sabo in his article because we know it's him even though Oda didn't gave us any confirmation inside the story (of course, he knows his readers are not stupid, he knows what he show was enough for anyone to understand that is Sabo without having to say it loud early).

But now we are discussing if we should pretend that Doflamingo is dead even though anyone can tell he is alive. Any argument you can use to justify listing Doflamingo as dead this week could be used to say "new Lucy" shouldn't be listed as Sabo yet (curiously, some people actively defending we should treat DD as dead were the ones saying that we should treat Lucy as Sabo), but still there is, so don't use the "in this wikia we don't..." line. - Gorenja (talk) 11:37, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Since you guys have apparently agreed to wholeheartedly "confirm Doflamingo as dead" until proven otherwise, why not rewrite the entire article in past tense as well? - 83.251.218.99 16:42, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Because we're playing the waiting game at the same time. We're running with what we have, but we aren't taking off with it, if that makes sense. 16:50, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Haha, wow. That's really dumb of you guys

Typically, insulting a person means you can't find fault with their logic and have resorted to continuing the argument by other means. What this says about certain users I leave merely implied, but nevertheless, what's done is done. Until we have information that proves otherwise, Doflamingo is dead.

17:52, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I swear, I am maybe two in-vain argumentative comments away from locking the talk page too. 20:59, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I also agree with the people who think we shouldn't go just by the in-world fact, but also consider the meta level. The following may be a hint that suggest otherwise (on a meta level). At chapter 739, page 18 Toy Soldier says:

"...If you do not eliminate Doflamingo, he will restore everything to the way it was."

This seems like a foreshadowing by the author that the defeat of Doflamingo indeed will be the last (or at least one of the very last) sub-plots that will get resolved. However, right now we have still quite a lot of other sub-plots running like Coliseum, trade port (although these two probably might merge in the next chapter), Franky etc.

The way this article is handled right now just looks badly sophisticated and halfhearthed to me. (If we go the deceased route, some parts of the article have to be set to past tense.)

However, I have an idea for this issue: Instead of deceased, just set his status to "seemingly deceased". That way the wiki not only regards the in-world facts, but also the meta level. Besides, nothing has to be rewritten to past tense right now. Doula Mongo (talk) 10:06, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Another thing is his status as king. Only because the majority (and even that may be debatable) wants his head, it doesn't mean that he already lost the title. We may be here at the start of a revolution, but right now nothing is decided. Theoretically the revolution might also just get quelled. We just cannot say for sure at this point. Dead or alive doesn't even matter - right now the title belongs to him. Doula Mongo (talk) 11:38, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

You're basing your argument on speculation from a misinterpretation. Arguing it any other way than what's happened is speculation and the reason I locked the page. Your "meta level" is nothing more than speculation at this point. I don't know why you people have such hang-ups about leaving him dead for a frigging week. Have some patience for Pete's sake. If you read any of the conversation, you'd know we're waiting to make the nitty gritty changes until we learn more. We're playing it as it lies, not as you want it to lie. This isn't about saying "I told you so" later, this is about staying accurate and up to date with the information we have. And right now, the information we have says he's dead. So guess what? That's how we're going to call him. I don't care what your petty rebuttal is. I am now one in-vain argumentative comment away from locking the talk page too. 16:21, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Seriously? Why so aggressive? I just made a constructive alternative suggestion. 84.135.252.16 16:43, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

I just said he's "either dead or alive". That's EXACTLY as it lies and therefore it should be said so. 84.135.252.16 16:46, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Also I never said it was more than a HINT. And you say "we're waiting to make the nitty gritty changes until we learn more"? Then why is he called former king already? How about waiting until we learn more? 84.135.252.16 16:56, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Please just tell me what the disadvantage would be if he's called "seemingly deceased" or "possibly deceased"? You want to be accurate? This is not less accurate than just saying "deceased". 84.135.252.16 17:04, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Because we tried that before, and it didn't work out. 17:13, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

That's a fair point I guess. But what about his status as "former" king? Shouldn't we wait here until we learn more? There didn't happen anything besides someone WANTING him to not be king any more. 84.135.252.16 17:22, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to dig up old news but do you feel happy about listing him as "deceased" now? We need to stop jumping the gun with these things.. it makes us look so unprofessional. Mandon (talk) 08:07, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Shut up. It's not about being right or wrong, it's about staying up to date. So don't get cocky. 08:15, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Because the game lists the Ito Ito no Mi as Paramecia, doesn't mean it is, apparently the game got a few facts wrong with listings etc. so the Ito Ito no Mi may somehow be a Logia type fruit, instead of a Paramecia, unless his ability allows him to reattach limbs (like commented at the top). Wraiyf  You never know when life will hit you hard, but then you hit it back.  09:41, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Why is he stated as "former" king of Dressrosa? There's nothing that suggests he actually lost the title already. This is pure speculation at this point. 84.135.211.134 10:44, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Discussing the nature of the Ito Ito no Mi doesn't fit here, this is not a forum (but just to add some, if it was a Logia, his subordinates wouldn't be thinking he was dead). And yeah, he is alive, pretty obvious like it was obvious Lucy was Sabo and his article was already saying that even before it was confirmed, so I don't get what this whole discussion was about. This has nothing to do with being up to date and that overly angry reaction just proves that. - Gorenja (talk) 12:41, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

You need to control your temper Dance, seriously. Anyways.. all we needed to do is wait a week, so maybe this chapter should teach us all a lesson to just wait when we're not sure about something. Mandon (talk) 22:36, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Err... no, given the information we had last week, Doflamingo was dead. There was no evidence to suggest otherwise. We were sure, from what we KNEW, that Doflamingo was dead. Sneering at someone with hindsight is petty.

22:44, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

If you think that's me when I'm angry, or that I was angry at all when I wrote that, then you don't know me very well. There's nothing wrong with playing it by ear. When we're not sure about something, play it as it lies. We had enough to go on to qualify him as dead, so we called him dead. Plot twists happen all the time. Stuff that we thought was true turns out to be false and vice versa. You didn't see us making one article for both Kyros and Thunder Soldier when they were introduced. No one said "Just do one, they're going to be the same dude anyway." We were told a fake story about how Fisher Tiger died and we had to change that once the truth came out. Or Kin'emon on Punk Hazard. We thought he was dead for several chapters until we learned the gas takes half a day to kill someone. Stuff changes all the time. I'd rather make a decision and stick with it than look indecisive and clueless. Also, it just makes us look pompous to blatantly contradict what's happened in the manga. If you could make a non-speculative argument that he was not dead after getting his head cut off using primary evidence (meaning no meta-bs like "he's the main antagonist" and literary stuff like that), then I'll admit the waiting game is always the best route 100% of the uncertain time. I make my decisions based on what happens in the story, not what I think will happen later. 22:57, April 9, 2014 (UTC)