Category talk:Transgender Characters

Yamato
why put yamato among the transgender characters when she may be acting like this only because she wants to impersonate oden but she could feel like a woman. ie at the very least I would leave the question open until a definitive explanation is given by the author. so you go to give information which, however, is not said to be correct. in addition I would put ivacov instead who is a confirmed transgender character.

You already know where to read up on the Yamato desicion. Ivankov is included already through the Newkama category, which is a subcategory of this one. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 21:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Name
I do not want to open up a can of worms, but most of those characters aren't transgenders. Okamas are crossdressers and Yamato is a whole story. Would that be a major issue to call this category Queer or Genderqueer characters? Rhavkin (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not against using "queer" to define all these characters, since it's an umbrella term and rolls off the tongue better than "gender non-conforming characters". My only concern is that "queer" can be seen or used as a slur, although it is used non-derogatorily in the FUNimation dub. But I dunno if that's an issue here, since it wouldn't be used in a derogatory way anyways. Somebody probably knows about that stuff better than me. 21:40, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

But to which of the okama articles do you think the transgender term doesn't apply? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 22:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Okamas in general are seen to be as crossdressers, or drag queens, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. 23:20, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That's an overly strict definition and doesn't fit their depiction in the series. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 02:05, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I know there were sevral talks about the literal meaning of the term "Okama", and I do not want to start those again here, but the different between Transgender and crossdressers are gender identity: transgenders reject their given gender and crossdressers reject the norms of their given gender. This category include three conservational subjects so using the most broad term is more preferable to avoid going back to the 'who fits where' debates.

To answer your question more specifically, I thing Okamas are Crossdressers and Newkamas are Genderfluid, and to go further then that, Kiku is Transgender and Yamato is Intrafeminflux. I won't bring up those gender identities in any of the talk pages for lack of confirmations. Rhavkin (talk) 04:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Category_talk:Okama I brought it up there before. Okama are not transgender and the category already breaks the at least 5 rule. SeaTerror (talk) 06:42, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I would agree that Okama should likely be removed as a child category, since from what I understand being an Okama does not make a character transgender. The Transgender Characters category should still exist even with only 3 pages (assuming Okama is removed and Morley is added) though, as the 5-page rule doesn't apply in this case (as User:AuroraOfDeath mentioned in Category talk:Okama).

To respond to  from the Okama talk, it was added by User:Kaido King of the Beasts based on Forum:More Category Issues, so not added "arbitrarily" (see most recent edit on the One Piece Wiki:Guidebook/Category Guidelines page). Walrsu (talk) 14:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Please do not ignore the topic. If we change the name of this category to something more generic like Queer or Genderqueer, Okama can stay here. Rhavkin (talk) 14:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh I was responding to SeaTerror's comment specifically. Renaming the category to Genderqueer Characters would allow the Okama to stay within the category, so I would support it. Walrsu (talk) 16:19, 12 April 2023 (UTC)