Talk:Abolishment of the Seven Warlords of the Sea

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This should already be part of the Seven Warlords of the Sea article. What reason is there to separate the information like this? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree. This is part of the Warlords' history. Plus, the title is a description of the event, not the name of the action. It's a well-written article, though. But it doesn't need to exist. 18:11, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

I think that this page and the aftereffects of the abolishment are a good idea, and I agree this page can help keep the entire events separate. I think some modifications to the Seven Warlords page can be done and all the major info can be kept on this page to help keep the main details separate and not overstuff the main page on this. As an alternative, a merging of the major details is also possible. -Adv193 (talk) 18:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

It's an important event, just like the Raid on Onigashima. Raid on Onigashima didn't need its own page, everything is covered in Wano Country Arc, yet a page was made for it. The same applies to the Summit War of Marineford. As the Seven Warlords are now abolished, there is no further need to update that page. Furthermore, the event is referred to by this name quite a few times in the manga, so I think it can be given its own page. (Shadoguardian (talk) 18:41, 21 September 2022 (UTC))

It's a pivotal moment, sure, but it's not an event itself. Nor does it appear to be named. Unless I missed an instance, the closest is the announcement in Chapter 956, but that's simply describing what happened to the system, rather than publishing a name. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

A pivotal event does not mean it has to have a page, especially because "pivotal" is subjective. It needs an official name. "Dissolution of the Seven Warlords of the Sea" is not that.

Like, do we create pages for "Declaration of War on the World Nobles", or "Cobra's Assassination", because those are all arguably pivotal events.

The content here can be easily merged with the Seven Warlords of the Sea or Levely pages. We shouldn't be creating precedents for new pages whenever a new event happens in the series. KingCannon (talk) 21:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

If a page merge occurred, I would say the background would go with the Levely page, while for the Seven Warlords page, an Aftermath section or perhaps two new sections that represents both the topics covered here should just go on the Seven Warlords page. -Adv193 (talk) 23:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I should also add when I first come here I was very impressed by what I saw, and that is why I support either keep or merge since there is good material and I agree it is well written. -Adv193 (talk) 23:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

the 7 Warlords page already includes a past section so another section could be added for its dissolution/abolishment... if merging this page would make the page long it could easily be solved with tabs but that wouldn't happen, lol (Haresen12 (talk) 02:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC))

Look, this page is describing an event that changed the balance of the World, in a similar manner in which a successful coup d'etat forever alters the history of a country. It is directly connected to the Levely, the World Government and the Three Powers, as well as the formation of a new Emperor crew. In terms of scale, it is even more momentous than the Mountain God Incident, or the Legend of the Sacred Burning Beast of Baldimore, which you guys have written pages for. This is undoubtedly a "pivotal event" for the world of One Piece. And now that the Seven Warlords are abolished, any action they take after being abolished should not be posted on the Seven Warlords page, because if you do, by that logic, then you would have to also include everything Crocodile, Law, Blackbeard and Doflamingo have been doing after they were dismissed, into the Seven Warlords page. The Abolishment page can highlight the far-reaching impact this action has taken on the world. (Shadoguardian (talk) 02:42, 22 September 2022 (UTC))

Again, being "pivotal" doesn't matter. The SH attacking Enies Lobby was a pivotal event. Luffy invading Impel Down was a pivotal event. The problem is, those events do not have names, so we don't make pages for them. The Mountain God Incident and Legend of the Sacred Burning Beast of Baldimore DO have names, which is why they warrant pages. This is the primary criteria for page making.

This can be easily merged into a section on the Warlords Page detailed "Abolishment" too. KingCannon (talk) 10:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Shadoguardian, I would ask that you remain civil during this discussion, as I am at least trying to help keep this from being completely deleted even if merge is the only option. There may be some choices on this wiki I find irritating, but I make the hard choice not to get into trouble by acting on it, so please just chill out man. -Adv193 (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I apologize if my rant offended someone. I was simply defending my point. Also, regarding the name, while it isn't between double apostrophe's, the event is technically named. In chapter 956, page 14 first panel, the narrator dubbed the event as such. Since then, when characters refer to the event, they all refer to it the same way. Kaidou, says it in chapter 985, and Nico Robin in 1060. (Shadoguardian (talk) 05:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC))

Chapter 985 does not have Kaidou using a name for the event. And again, the event does not really have an official name.

My argument is that it can easily be relegated to a section in the Seven Warlords page, under an Abolishment/Dissolution section. KingCannon (talk) 12:57, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

"this page is describing an event that changed the balance of the World... It is directly connected to the Levely, the World Government and the Three Powers, as well as the formation of a new Emperor crew." You're right, it would be better to merge the information with the Three Powers page since it so heavily involves the Four Emperors and World Government.

"And now that the Seven Warlords are abolished, any action they take after being abolished should not be posted on the Seven Warlords page, because if you do, by that logic, then you would have to also include everything Crocodile, Law, Blackbeard and Doflamingo have been doing after they were dismissed, into the Seven Warlords page." We already include information about the pirates from immediately after their dismissal. Beyond that, sure, it shouldn't be on that article, but then it shouldn't be on this article either as it's too distant from the vote to abolish the system. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:22, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree, this should be covered on the Seven Warlords article. 17:40, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

There's been no response to this discussion in 9 months, and as pointed out above, this doesn't qualify to have a page due to not being officially named. The contents of the page have already generally been merged into the Seven Warlords of the Sea article, so there doesn't seem to be any reason to keep this one. If there's no disagreement, I'd like to delete the page in the near future. Walrsu (talk) 07:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)