Talk:Shimotsuki Family

Ryuma as a Shimotsuki
With regards to Ryuma and "Shimotsuki," even if we don't change his name to Shimotsuki Ryuma, in does not make much sense to ignore that he was called "Shimotsuki Ryuma" in Vivre Card. Yes, the English part didn't mention Shimotsuki, but it need not to if it ends up being mentioned in the other part as part of his name.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 00:20, December 18, 2019 (UTC)

We don't ignore that he was called that. However, even his Vivre Card didn't give his official name as Shimotsuki Ryuma, it was tucked away in his epithet section. So I don't really take it as full confirmation that he was part of the family. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 03:59, December 18, 2019 (UTC)

The thing is, the fact that only Vivre Card revealed him as Shimotsuki Ryuma, means that it was intended to disclose his identity as a Shimotsuki (but just in a more subtle manner). But that aside, if it wasn't full confirmation or any type of confirmation, can anyone provide an explanation as to why he was called Shimotsuki Ryuma.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 20:00, December 18, 2019 (UTC)

It is not just that "only Vivre Card revealed him as Shimotsuki Ryuma", is that it reveals him as "Shimotsuki" Ryuma, as the Shimotsuki was only mentioned in the epithet section. There is a theory that he is the family ancestor and wasn't actually called that, or that the family was originated from his followers. Anyway, until confirmed, there could be many reasons for why he is called "Shimotsuki", but not be a "Shimotsuki". Rhavkin (talk) 20:07, December 18, 2019 (UTC)

If there are theories, then they are exactly what they are - merely theories, and would constitute as speculation. If we view Shimotsuki Ryuma at face value, factually speaking (without any assumptions), that would mean he is part of the Shimotsuki Family. Yes, we could theorize that there is a secret behind it, but that would be speculation and the wiki doesn't like speculation. Plus to be more exact the epithet section said ["Sword God-sama" Shimotsuki Ryuma]. In this context, Shimotsuki can only be viewed as attached to Ryuma and not a mere description. Wiki's decisions should not be guided on loose and unproven theories.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 22:12, December 18, 2019 (UTC)