Talk:Kaidou

Kaido antagonist
He is one of the antagonist as he was responsible for Jack's attack on Zou and Kaido(note: the user Kaido, not the character) said to me back about Edward Weevil that "anyone who attacks the straw hats or a close ally of them, are labeled as antagonists". ChasHades (talk) 04:26, November 7, 2016 (UTC)

He didn't do anything at all. Only characters who have directly done something are listed like that. SeaTerror (talk) 06:51, November 7, 2016 (UTC)

He ordered Jack to invade Zou to find Raizo and Jack tortured the civilians there and plus, if Kaido never existed, then Jack and the other Beast Pirates wouldn't too. Also this whole thing is called the Yonko Saga which overall involves with the Yonko seen. ChasHades (talk) 07:13, November 7, 2016 (UTC)

He's not an antagonist yet. He will become one but he has done nothing targetting the Straw Hats yet. 15:05, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

What Staw said. 17:47, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Staw 18:26, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Fine, but eventually after the Totto Land Arc, or at least until the Beast Pirates have their own Arc, you guys will obviously put it back.ChasHades (talk) 19:40, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Yep. 99% chance. Thanks for your patience, btw. 19:42, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Kaido’s Devil Fruit
In the recent chapter, Kaido appeared in the sly in his dragonic form making people think that he has eaten a Mythical Zoan Devil Fruit. However, people have been calling him a thing or a creatures which suggests his dragon form is his true form and his human form is his devil fruit form. Either way, I think we will know what he truly is in the coming chapters 2605:E000:1705:3E5:0:A795:F113:58E1 08:15, October 20, 2018 (UTC)John2605:E000:1705:3E5:0:A795:F113:58E1 08:15, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

I also sort of believe this theory to a point. It's not a fact or anything, but my personal opinion after this chapter, and after re-reading everything regarding Kaido, I believe that this dragon is in fact his true form, and has a human human type devil fruit, possibly the Human Human Fruit: Model Demon, or something like that. BloodKills (talk)

We first saw Kaido in his human(oid) form, so we're going to consider that his true form unless proven otherwise. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 13:57, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

I fully agree with that, as mine thoughts are only speculations. BloodKills (talk)

Kaido's Title
As he is the "Govenor-General" of the Beasts Pirates, should we link it to Admiral (Fleet) instead of Captain? S.C. Amigo (talk) 04:39, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

Do we use "Govenor-General"? 総督 also means supreme commander or commander in chief. They are more accurate for Kaido. --Klobis (talk) 06:17, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

VIZ's official translation is "Supreme Commander". S.C. Amigo (talk) 22:37, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

Drunken laugh
Since i do not have an account, feel free to delete this if this is wrong to post, but I would like to know if it is noteworthy to state that Kaido's laugh (at least as per some translations) when drunk is fuhihihi, since this wiki tends to mention laugh/speech patterns in great detail.79.214.97.108 12:42, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

Katakana for Fuhihihi are: フヒヒヒ, since the ones for Wurororo are stated also.84.141.153.91 13:37, November 8, 2018 (UTC)

Kaido's bounty
Is there a source for Kaido's bounty/this edit? --178.220.21.136 16:57, January 31, 2019 (UTC)

As there's no solid/valid evidence, I'm gonna undo the edit. --178.220.21.136 12:14, February 1, 2019 (UTC)

Kaidou
Kaido's wanted poster spells his name as "Kaidou". Should we change his name or wait for a volume release? Cdwp22 (talk) 09:43, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

In Chapter 868 Big Mom name was spelled "Rinrin" even in the volume. Rhavkin (talk) 09:53, September 27, 2019 (UTC)


 * Official release deleted to "U". Rhavkin (talk) 20:34, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

The bounty poster where a U would be was covered up each time. SeaTerror (talk) 06:33, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

"U" deletion applies only to Viz version as seen on the concept but you're right with the Rinrin example. Cdwp22 (talk) 13:09, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

For personal reasons I prefer Kaido...but I don't really see an argument here. Unless we decide to wait for the volume. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:09, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

I thought you were talking about the official chapter. The first panel is too small to see anything because it's covered by text. The second one is covered by Brandnew's hand. If that art is officially from Oda then we should be using Kaidou. We only used Kaido because of an old databook which was also where Moriah came from. SeaTerror (talk) 17:50, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

You can clearly see two vertical lines next to the "O" in the image of his bounty poster. Unless Oda wrote "Kaidoll" it's definitely Kaidou. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:59, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah it should definitely be "KAIDOU" instead of simply "KAIDO" unless there's another source from Oda that says "KAIDO" or even the Vivre Card Databook Meshack (talk) 06:34, October 1, 2019 (UTC)

Article cites One Piece Green: Secret Pieces as the source for the current spelling. We may want to wait and see if another chapter, volume, or vivre card supports either spelling. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 01:36, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

+1 for KAIDOU • Seelentau 愛 議 10:16, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

I think we should stick with "Kaido" until there's a more explicit example of "Kaidou". The name was super obscured in the actual comic and Oda was aware that it was going to be obscured, which makes me think he wasn't really thinking about it. Not to mention that he spells things wrong on wanted posters all the time, even Luffy's name. DewClamChum (talk) 12:28, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

Just not clear enough for now for the chapter but if we can get confirmation on that concept art then we should move it. Kaidou is more correct anyway. SeaTerror (talk) 20:58, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean by confirmation? It's from the official OP Instagram and it's clearly the same thing that's in the actual chapter. It's as official as it can get. I just don't personally think it's clear enough especially since there's already another romanization. DewClamChum (talk) 23:57, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

That may not be a U in the sketch. The one on Luffy's poster has the left side thicker than the right, while the letter in the sketch has evenly thick lines. I'll continue looking through posters from the manga, but I wouldn't put money on -ou yet. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 01:07, October 4, 2019 (UTC)

Oda has used KAIDOU for his book on the character and the wanted poster. I don't see any other reason to keep it as "KAIDO" Meshack (talk) 04:38, October 13, 2019 (UTC)

Show a picture of the notebook. If it exists then we definitely have to change it since Zou was also changed because of his notes. SeaTerror (talk) 17:37, October 13, 2019 (UTC)

I can't find it and haven't seen it in a while if there is one but wasn't there one shown with the KING and QUEEN notebooks. I can't find those either but if there isn't then don't worry about it Meshack (talk) 21:44, October 13, 2019 (UTC)

A sketch is not finalized, the official chapter release is final (until the volume comes out). So we should wait a little more. 22:13, October 13, 2019 (UTC)

Official tankobon is now out. Has anyone got access to it so we can check? Slembot (talk) 16:10, January 17, 2020 (UTC)

Volume seems to have a "U": It is very hidden but you can make it out. Rhavkin (talk) 16:22, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

The volume version does have an extra letter, but it's not any clearer what letter it is. The exclamation points still obscure most of what can be seen of the letter. If we're going to base it off the sketch version, then H is more likely than U due to the font used for bounty posters. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:03, January 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * For the sake of reference: the hands of the "H" are equally wide, with the "U"'s right one thinner. Rhavkin (talk) 17:21, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

The only way an H would be used is if his name is spelled Kaidoh. SeaTerror (talk) 17:49, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

Well, it's not impossible, considering that common romanisations for long o are -ō -ou, -oo and -oh. JouXIII (talk) 18:53, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

Guys this isn’t difficult. We saw the sketch and it’s clearly KAIDOU not KAIDOH Meshack (talk) 19:28, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

The anime adaptation of Chapter 957 has clearly shown Kaido's poster as "Kaidou". AcXAcX (talk) 10:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Quoting myself, "+1 for KAIDOU". And before someon asks: No, the anime doesn't trump the manga. It just solidified that it's an U and not an H. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

It's clearly "Kaidou". In chapter 957 (p. 18, when Brannew has his hand on the board with Big Mom and Kaidou's posters), we see no horizontal line between Brannew's fingers, meaning it's not an "H"; what we see is a small line in the bottom of the letter with a concavity pointing upwards, adding that to what we see in the big panel with Kaidou's poster, it's a "U" beyond doubt. StoopidGuy (talk) 02:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm, Viz erased the line in their version, but it does appear in the Japanese copy of Volume 95, so let it be "-ou". Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:35, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

bump • Seelentau 愛 議 20:12, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

So, I see this article still hasn't been renamed. Is therer a reason for that? • Seelentau 愛 議 22:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Because the people in charge of doing that don't want to change it. Slembot (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Did they say so? From what I can see, this discussion is still on-going, no? • Seelentau 愛 議 11:01, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Kaido's Devil Fruit. Is it confirmed to be Mythical?
Let's disregard the theory of Kaido being actually a dragon with a Mythical Hito Hito. For the purpose of this question Kaido is a member of a humanoid race/species with a DF that allows him to turn into a dragon.

We are hardwired to think Dragon = myth, but in the past of the world of One Piece we know there were dragons, at least; Ryuma killed one. So what if Kaido's isn't a Mythical model of the Ryu Ryu, but an Ancient one?

Has it somehow been confirmed that his fruit is a Mythical one, or that part of the article is based on an assumption?

--ElChOrC (talk) 09:45, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

There also dinosaurs in Little Garden and they are prehistoric zoans as well. Cracker-Kun (talk) 10:46, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

It was confirmed in One Piece Magazine. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 12:05, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

The One Piece Magazine also said Shanks had the highest Yonkou bounties. SeaTerror (talk) 04:17, October 4, 2019 (UTC)

That was V Jump that said Shanks had the highest Yonko bounty not the One Piece Magazine.--Opera298 (talk) 16:17, October 4, 2019 (UTC)

Neither did. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:41, October 4, 2019 (UTC)

Where is the source that confirms that: a) Kaido ate a Dragon Devil Fruit; and b) That Kaido even ate a devil fruit? As of chapter 991 we are yet to get any confirmation, nor an explanation, on the nature of Kaido's dragon abilities. Personally, I believe Kaido eating a dragon type zoan fruit is the most likely but we have officialy not been given this information. This article should not state 'Kaido having a devil fruit' until it has outright been confirmed. Doezuu (talk) 16:21, September 28, 2020 (UTC)

Splitting the Sky
Is it safe to say that the split in the sky is the result of Haoshoku Haki? I want to be sure we're all on the same page with this.Fliu (talk) 18:34, January 7, 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't say splitting the sky is itself a result of Haoshoku Haki, but there is evidence for Kaido being a Haoshoku Haki user in his clash with Big Mom creating the shockwaves and the "baha" (バハ) sound effect, which is present in Haoshoku Haki clashes but, as far as I can tell, not in Busoshoku clashes (like Luffy vs. Cracker, Zoro vs. Pica, Sanji vs. Vergo). Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:50, January 7, 2020 (UTC)

As much as I believe it is, the only thing we can go by is the clash between Whitebeard and Shanks, while the clash between Whitebeard and Roger in 966, that also showed the sky from afar during the clash showed it blowing the clouds away. I say we wait until Kaido is confirmed to have HH. Rhavkin (talk) 18:54, January 7, 2020 (UTC)

Kaido's Dragon Form
I just wanna put this up for consideration and this might edit the trivia and Kaido's abilities and powers. I did some research on Eastern Dragons and we might wanna consider the possibility that Kaido's dragon form is not a Chinese dragon for these simple facts: Chinese dragons are depicted as having five toes/claws. Kaido's dragon form has only four toes/claws. The only Eastern dragons that I've found that have four toes/claws are Korean dragons. Just wanna put this up for consideration. Zachary1969 (talk) 23:58, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

Busoshoku Haki
Hello everyone,

I was wondering whether I am the only one thinking Kaido demonstrated Busoshoku Haki during his clash with Oden in Chapter 771, [page 15, first panel to the left in the middle row]. Haoshoku Haki sparkles are clearly visible, but I also believe Kaido's kanabo mace is subjected to hardening here.

Any thoughts on the matter? Am I misguided?

192.167.77.20 09:53, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, can't seem to properly link things. It's

192.167.77.20 09:54, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

No opinion whatsoever on the matter?

95.238.93.192 12:19, February 23, 2020 (UTC)

It looks the same as always. 17:32, February 23, 2020 (UTC)

If the black lightning Yamato produces for Narikabura is Busōshoku Haki, and it looks the same as the black lightning that both they and Kaido produce during Raimei Hakke, might it not be a reasonable assumption that Raimei Hakke involves Busōshoku Haki? What's the argument for waiting for further confirmation? 24.205.57.183 23:47, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Kaido Dragon Image
I had requested this conversation be started if this was more contention, but apparently the onus is on me to do so.

The image I posted was removed for two provided reasons:

1) "Too many images" - The two images for Kaido's Devil Fruit reflect two different aspects: a general look at his form, and his size.

2) "Doesn't apply to the paragraph" - The sentence above it literally describes the size difference. The Pope 06:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Are you dumb, stupid or dumb? Check your talk page, and check the FILE talk page of the image you posted. kthxbyee ( Dot  Talk  ) 13:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


 * First, nice.


 * Second, it was difficult to look at the file's talk page when it was unceremoniously deleted, and my personal talk page isn't the place to discuss an article and image.


 * Third, your points on the talk page were "We already have an anime pic" (as I stated above, the two pictures serve different purposes) and that the perspective makes him look smaller (which I disagree with, it's rather apparent with the moon behind him that he's further back).


 * Feel free to let me know if you have any other actual talking points that aren't ad hominem attacks. If not, it's going back up. The Pope 19:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay I do agree what I did was very inappropriate and that I could reply better. But - you're trying to give an image to show Kaido's dragon form's size compared to humans, which this image isn't really suited for because -

1. Angle: when showing a comparison of size, you really need to consider the angle the comparison is done from, like we do when using a ruler, if the view is from somewhere very close to one of the things being compared, it ends up looking bigger than it is. As in this case, the humans look bigger than they are compared to Kaido because the image is taken from below them,

2. The "Kaido's dragon form" image works well enough to show his size, it's pretty obvious how big that is

And also, you had no reason to edit war, especially when 2 people tried to talk to you through both your talk page and the page of the very image you tried to upload. Talk page messages even give pop-ups on the bottom right of your screen when you open the wiki so I have no clue how you miss it. Also you say it isn't the appropriate place to discuss an image but idk where else I would discuss an edit YOU did. And yeah, again, I apologize for my last immature reply ( Dot  Talk  ) 19:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Again, because the image was unceremoniously deleted, I was unable to even respond on the talk page of the image before it was taken down. And my personal talk page is not the place to discuss an image, either the image's talk page or (if it isn't available) the article's talk page is. Also, by no means does the current image demonstrate Kaido's size, seeing how it's literally just him. The Pope 21:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Considering the debate is over the usage of the image in this article, I would say that this talk page is the appropriate place to discuss this, rather than the image talk page. There is no issue with the image itself.

However, even though I do believe the image does have encyclopedic merit, it simply cannot fit well in the article the way it is formatted currently. While we prioritize being informative first and foremost, it is also important to make sure our content is formatted well visually. Currently, Kaido's DF section is too small to support two images that aren't in a gallery, and image crowding detracts from page formatting. Also, I have to echo what Dragonus Nesha has said: an image must match the text it is set by. We wouldn't put the image of Luffy beating Doflamingo below the paragraph that describes him doing so, that wouldn't make any sense and is confusing.

Thus, I do not believe that adding the image is beneficial for the article. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

It being deleted completely isn't something I did, I just started the discussion on whether it should be deleted. Also the current image not having anyone else doesn't help with the fact that the image you're trying to add is an image not suitable for the reason you're adding it. If you can find any other image that serves the same purpose and is a better angle, sure add it. ( Dot  Talk  ) 07:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware you didn't delete the image, but because it was removed from the page and then immediately flagged for deletion with no room for discussion, it was kind of hard to discuss a deleted image on its nonexistent talk page. The Pope 07:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

As an alternative, we could use this image to show Kaido's size compared to Luffy, though I don't have a raw version of it. ( Dot  Talk  ) 08:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

If the issue is there's not enough room then the 2nd image can just be put in a gallery as already suggested. SeaTerror (talk) 20:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Two galleries for two short paragraphs seems excessive. While the suggested image looks cool, it's not a good shot for its intended purpose of size comparison. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

It wouldn't be two galleries. There is already a gallery on the page. SeaTerror (talk) 07:03, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Kaido's relationship with Big Mom
I just wanted to expand on Kaido's relationship with Charlotte Linlin (Big Mom) since there are some important details missing in that section. On the last two pages of Chapter 999, we learn more about Kaido and Big Mom's deal. After Kaido says he's going to drop Onigashima in the Flower Capital, Big Mom asks him if the Road Poneglyph is there, meaning that the Road Poneglyph was part of the deal between the alliance of Big Mom and Kaido. After Kaido comments on Big Mom showing her true colors, her exact words are, "Don't belittle me!! Even now I still think of you as a little brother!! On that day, at God Valley, when the Rocks Pirates fell to ruin… I was the one who gave you your Mythical Type "Fish-Fish Fruit"!!! You owe me a life-long debt!! Kaido!!" Kaido then responds, "Say whatever you want, we can settle all of that after…we acquire the "One Piece"!" This means that part of the life-long debt Kaido owes to Big Mom, is her giving him the Mythical Zoan Type "Fish-Fish Fruit" and part of the deal of their alliance is acquiring One Piece. I'll provide a link to the pages down below Zachary1969 (talk) 03:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Kaido Tabs
Kaido is clearly a significant character and we have lot of info on his page. I think we should divide his page in tabs. Same as we have for Big Mom and Whitebeard.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC))

We split character pages when they exceed 100,000 bytes. 19:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

How many bytes does his page currently have? Shadoguardian (talk) 19:22, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * 84,650 bytes. Byte counts are listed on an article's History page. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 20:01, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

The 7 times Kaido was defeated
Apologies if this isn't the right way to go about this, having trouble getting the site to work as a new user. It's mentioned that Kaido has been defeated 7 times, and captured by The Marines 18 times. It's not confirmed who Kaido has lost to, but there are good hints through character development about when Kaido would have lost some of these battles, and also a good few hints regarding who. I can lay out the logic later, but first just curious if this is a topic that the Wikia would even entertain adding to Kaido's page, or a related page. The basic rundown of likely incidents and victors over Kaido include: The time Kaido was recruited to the Rock pirates (by Xebec), The God Valley incident (by Garp/Roger pirates), after disbanding by former crewmates that had attained status above his (Whitebeard?, Shiki?), by The Marines on at least one of the 18 occasions (Garp/Sengoku)?, by Roger pirates separately after God Valley, and by Shanks (I think there's a very strong case to be made there based on canonical events).

Worth opening up a discussion on the merits of this as an official wiki edition? Crawdauntz (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Since everything is speculative, there is no room for that in any page other then your user page. Even the fight with Shanks before Marineford could have a draw or a ceasefire. not necessarily one of Kaido loses. Rhavkin (talk) 19:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)