Forum:Character gallery images from cover pages.

Should we add them, or not? In case it's not clear, I meant to put at appearance/gallery sections of characters, images with them from the cover pages. Some pages of interest that started this discussion: Cdavymatias talk, Awaikage talk, Nami/Gallery (Cdavymatias' big recent edit)

I think it's definitely a good addition. Since every single other outfit is added, why wouldn't those be there as well?

Baron Bones Brook (talk) 14:58, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

All the other outfits in the gallery are relevant to the story in some way. Color spread appearances have zero story relevance, with only a few exceptions like the big Marine spread. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:33, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

"Every single other outfit" is not added, apart from color spread oufits we also do not include outfits from regular cover pages, merchandise, or other one-off illustrations. Basically we only add ones that are used within a storyline, whether that be manga, anime, a movie or something. There's no point in cataloguing these one-offs, it just fills the galleries with hundreds of unnecessary images. 18:40, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

What Kage and Kaido basically said. Instead of devoting a lot of time and effort on that, it could be used elsewhere on more important things 19:16, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

"Hundreds of unnecessary images" Most of the filler stuff is unnecessary, or minor character pages. No one ever looks at those or needs them. We still have them. I don't think this is a very well thought argument. In an "ideal" wikia in which we have every little piece of information from the series, in which nothing is missing, we should have those.

If you think we should first focus on something else, then that is a whole other matter. There is a big difference between not ever needing something, and needing something else first.

Since you guys seem to have a clear idea of more important things that have to be done, mind telling me which are those? I know chapter/episode/other page stubs are a big problem. Is there any other "major problem" other than that?

Baron Bones Brook (talk) 20:12, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Actually I don't see how is that different from openings and endings images that also aren't in the storyline. Hard numbers would help the decision, How much covers are there that are not mini-arcs (from which we do include appearances from) with character with unique, note worthy outfits? Is this where the outfit is mostly hidden? And this of Zoro without his haramaki? There are about 138 color spread (I counted 138 but I might have miscounted) and not all of them has characters with different outfits then their originals or visible. Cdavymatias, can you count how many extra images are to each character? Maybe in a table of Character, Color Spread, SH and animals, and Fan Request? I know it will take time but a bit of prospective might help. Rhavkin (talk) 20:34, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Only from the covers that were added by Cdavymatias, there were 20 images until chapter 566 (there are probably more for Nami, but he stopped there). I don't know how much that helps, or if you seen it or not, but I wanted to bring this up.

Baron Bones Brook (talk) 20:39, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Alex, the pages that needs work are Category:Pages With Empty Sections, Category:Articles Without References, Category:Images with No Source Provided, Category:Outdated Pages, Category:Stubs, and Category:Active Discussions among others.

The images Cdavymatias added were just from Color Spreads weren't they? I'm talking about a lot more covers. If we do it we'll do it right. Rhavkin (talk) 20:45, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Honestly idek why we have opening/closing appearance images, most of those sections aren't even complete. I'd be in favor of removing those Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:03, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I'd consider opening and ending images unnecessary too. What Kaido said. 23:18, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

I think you should advertise the site problems more to new editors before saying that people can't add things because there are more important things to do. However, this is a discussion for another time.

None of the images are harmful to the wiki. While I agree that there are more important things to do, I see no point to waste time and delete them. As a principle, we shouldn't remove things that are not harmful, even if they are incomplete. Focus on other things first, but keep them there and come back later when there is time for such things.

I suggest that we eventually make this as a project when the most common problems have been solved. If those problems are mostly solved, I see no point why we wouldn't have those images.

Baron Bones Brook (talk) 23:39, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

I am of two minds on this. On one hand, I don't think these images are necessary. However, I agree with Alex in some ways. I know these images could make a lot of clutter, but I don't see why we can't add a collapsible section for these images. If Cdavymatias wants to do all the work, I think we can let him. A collapsible section should be fine. Do I think the images are necessary? No. Do I think it is bad to have them on the wiki? Also, no. 05:35, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

A collapsible section is a good idea. A section called "Color Spreads" between "Videogames" and "Other", maybe. The goal of the wiki is to expand it. If the problem is the floods of editions, I can upload six or seven images per hour. Cdavymatias (talk) 13:38, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

The forum about gallery images was ONLY supposed to be about things that appeared in the story. So filler outfits counted in that case. Opening and ending images were never part of that forum, nor were cover images since neither actually appear in the story. The only exception to this would have been any new outfit worn during the cover story arcs. SeaTerror (talk) 18:26, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

And a page of "Character/Gallery/Storyline" (Main Series, Filler, Special Episodes and OVAs, & Movies) and other of "Character/Gallery/Others" (Openings & Endings, Omakes, Video Games, Color Spreads, & Other)? Cdavymatias (talk) 19:39, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

ST, first of all, welcome back. Second, what forum about gallery images are you referring to?

Cdavymatias, let's wait on the discussion of "how" until there is an agreement on "if". Rhavkin (talk) 20:11, December 4, 2017 (UTC)