Forum:Pau's Chat Moderator Rights

Pau ( [//onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pau_D._Seven https://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/User:Pau_D._Seven] ) also known as Cthaeh on the one piece discord server, has been temporarily demoted as chatmod. There have been concerns and complaints regarding his behavior in chat to new users, as well as controversy regarding how he was demoted and who was involved. To avoid further confusion and reach a fair conclusion as to whether Pau should keep his rights or not, IT'S FORUM TIME!! We'll give our points and opinions and thoughts on the matter and have a vote afterwards. LET THE FORUM BEGIN My personal opinion? I do think Pau's been harsh to some of the newer users, though I don't think he's incapable of changing. Rather than straight up removing his rights without warning, I think it's best we give him time to see if he's willing to change how he treats people in the server for the better. Pau's a good boy if he wants to be. :))) 22:55, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

note: opinions from people who frequent the server will be held in higher regard than of those who don't. people who frequent the server, even those without the minimum required amount of edits, will still have the right to participate. (these rules don't apply to mods and admins)

Ground Rules:


 * 1) Participants must be present in the server prior to the forum opening.


 * 1) User must have at least 500 messages overall recorded in the server to participate.


 * 1) User must be active in 2018 prior to the forum opening in addition to the guidelines above.

23:57, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

Discussion
I would like for Awaikage or Yatanogarasu to post first about the specifics of how Pau got demoted, because I'm unsure how it exactly happened and how Yata came to the decision to do it in the first place.

But as for Pau's behavior as a mod, I don't really see what made him bad at his job. He was pretty blunt, but was also the most vigilant at actually moderating people, and I don't recall him ever punishing someone for no reason. So maybe he could be nicer, but applying this strict moral code to him that none of the other mods follow either feels rather unnecessary. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:28, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

They can participate in the forum. Anybody can. I just disagree that they would be able to vote since it goes against our voting rules. SeaTerror (talk) 08:36, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

Pau was demoted by Yata and Drake. I don't have the specifics because I wasn't contacted. Pau himself never got an answer either. Other chat moderators I talked to saw the situation as sketchy because an admin who isn't active on Discord was contacted, and it's a well known fact that Drake doesn't get along with Pau. This also happened suddenly after Drake had been mostly absent from Discord for weeks following an incident of him harassing another user, for which I gave him a serious warning. Drake seemed to be convinced that Pau tried to "get him in trouble" with the situation, even though it was first brought to my attention by Drake himself. After this, he stopped contacting me.

My opinion on Pau is the same as Kaido's. He's one of the more trustworthy users and has been working to make sure our bots work properly even during the past month. I believe he should be allowed to continue as a chat moderator. 09:43, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

As an active user on the public discord server (under a different name of course, don't want Sock banning me) I can testify that Pau is an active and trustworthy mod. He certainly didn't deserve to be demodded. And as ST said, there's no reason why our normal voting rules shouldn't apply - if they haven't contributed to the wiki they don't really have a say in how the wiki is run.

A larger part of the issue is that we have a couple of mostly inactive admins but that's a whole other issue.

11:37, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree on a lot of the points here. First off editing has nothing to do with the Discord server, so everyone can vote if they meet the specific requirements outlined in this forum. Otherwise the majority of editors here with 300 edits are Pau's friend and will just let him walk. Also Nova, is not even in the server. That is a wide known fact. His Discord ID is Nova#9809 which is not in the server at the present. Even if he did have a sock there his vote would be invalid and the sock would have to be banned. As for the circumstances that led to Pau's demotion lots of users where providing evidence of Pau being rude and abusing his power on the server. People went to Kage, but he didn't seem to care. It was at the point where Kage was refusing to do anything that users went to another admin with screenshots and other proof that Pau should have been demoted. Again, I was not the one who went to Yata, it was another mod. A few days later DP actually came and asked what happened because apparently someone emailed him. Moving aside from the ethics and fairness of using a personal email to contact an admin, we explained what happened and was convinced. Kage dmed me like a week later about what happened. I replied 2 hours later and he never messaged back. Pau's behavior has been detrimental to the server. He bullies and harasses others, especially towards new users and has caused several active users to leave or to stop talking. We lost our bot manager because of his behavior as he was being rude and threatening towards him. And following that incident he took the bot inspector role for himself (which he shouldn't even have) and we have no logs of what changes he's making with them One of many examples of his rude behavior on the server 14:54, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

Hi hi, my username on the Discord Server is Supreme Cutie. As a user affected by and have seen his tomfoolery up close for months, I honestly doubt that he will ever change. He only treats his friend nicely but as you see from the screenshot that Drake provided Pau is a huge hooligan to those who aren't his friends. I remember that he'd sometimes snap at me for just announcing that I am here so then I would basically lurk until users that were friendly would join. Even when talking to other users he would usually interject into the conversation and say something rude. I did lurk and watch the chat everyday, but I don't talk there mainly because I didn't feel safe with Pau around. I am an admin on the Superpower Wikia and personally mods who act like that are rarely given a second chance because there is no excuse to be a tomfool to random strangers.

User talk:Imouto-tan Imouto 16:59, September 22, 2018 (UTC)Imouto-tan

Could you show more examples, please? I can agree somewhat, that attitude was excessive even if it was directed to someone who likely wasn't on the server at the time, but that alone shouldn't prevent Pau from getting a second chance. I hear these vague allegations of him being abusive but other than that screenshot have yet to see any solid examples. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:42, September 22, 2018 (UTC)