Talk:Enel

The alien's name and rank
Technically, this is supposed to be on his page but since it doesn't exist yet might as well ask it here. Anyway just to make sure and clarify things, what's his correct name and rank.Mugiwara Franky 08:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like (based on the covers of chapters 436 and 440) his name is Spacy (or Spacey, or Spacie, or something like that. XD) (スペーシー, Supeeshii, too lazy to use the lengthened vowels at the moment. XD), and his rank is... you want army rank, I assume? The army rank is First Lieutenant (中尉, chuui).


 * And the pirate one (that first showed up on chapter 438's cover, I believe?) still seems to have no name, and is simply referred to as "Space Pirate". --Murasaki 09:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

A pic of Eneru
You guys seem to be good at finding other pictures. How about uploading one for Eneru?BattleFranky202 14:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Sources for Enel and Eneru
Umm, not necessarily a move request but can the sources for "Enel" and "Eneru" be named here like the talk page for Arabasta. I kinda want to know which apparently more authentic. Please note it's not a number I'm asking for but closeness to authenticity. So in other words, if there's just one source for "Enel" that may have been written supposedly by Oda against several sources for "Eneru" that may have been written by other people, then "Enel" wins. I just kinda want to know also so we won't have any arguments in the future.Mugiwara Franky 14:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Enel

 * 1) - One Piece Unlimited

Eneru

 * 1) One Piece Grand Adventure.

Discussion

 * 1) I have mixed feelings about which is preferrable... I note the Japanese anime sounds "Eneru" not "Enel". One-Winged Hawk 20:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) I personally prefer Enel but consider Eneru to be the proper translation. At the very least, it's the proper way to say it in Japanese.
 * 3) The One Piece Unlimited one also has "Bon Clay", which was later proven wrong by Oda, so I don't think it's trustworthy.

Honestly, after watching the anime, not once did I ever hear a "ru"; it was always a hard l. I wonder why people still call him "Eneru" instead of Enel when there's about just as many sources for each. The Pope 12:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Still a God?
Will Enel still be refered to as God in the dub?


 * Not in the televised version of Funimation's dub but he will be most likely in their uncut DVDs.Mugiwara Franky 05:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Won't that make some of the scenes confusing like when Nami is praying for forgiveness?!!!!

The origins of the name Enel
1-In the christian religion, there are angels.

2-A big part of all the angel´s names has the termination -el(for example, Gabiel, Azazel, Uriel...).

3-In Italy, there is the Vatican City, a christian place.

4-Enel is an italian electric company.

5-Enel -> Ente Nazionale per l'Energia eLettrica(full name of the italian electric company) or maybe Oda thought like this(why? because it´s weird putting an electric company in a character) Enel ->ENrgia ELettrica (electric energy in italian).

So this might be related and it´s just a theory. So Enel is like a fusion between an angel(but his personality it isnt like an angel XD) and Raijin, the japanese god of thunder. --Kaze Kaze No Mi 21:51, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

It´s Enel, not Eneru
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The japanese people cant spell the L´s, so when they say Enel, they say Eneru because they trade the L´s with the R´s. And then, the funimation´s dub facilitated the name Eneru. So it´s not Eneru but Enel.--Kaze Kaze No Mi 15:41, October 24, 2009 (UTC) I forgot XD


 * Remember to sign your posts.


 * But yeah, I do agree. However, I think we'd have to come into some form of agreement before changing all mentioning of "Eneru" to "Enel". The Pope 12:41, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * We've got evidence for both I recall since both spellings have appeared in the Japanese versions, but not in the manga. One-Winged Hawk 12:44, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * That we do. And like I said above, watching the anime, I don't even hear the slightest "r" slur in there; it's a very hard "l". The Pope 12:46, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I just want to correct you, its not they can't spell "l" is "l" and "r" are one and the same in their language. Its how they pronounce things in their accent in English. (Theres an old joke: "Egg fried rice?" or "Egg Flied Lice?") One-Winged Hawk 10:25, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I'd like the Wiki to come to some form of decision on this, so we can decide whether or not to rename the page to Enel. The Pope 04:06, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * If in doubt we can only list the sources and decide on the most appropriate. Incidently, Eneru I believe appear on SJ mags front cover and Enel appeared in a poll run by SJ mag. Or was it the other way round? Either way, thats the most legit source after Oda, but these two problems are the ones I'm aware of. I don't know how you would go about solving this issue. One-Winged Hawk 09:27, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Aren´t the Chinese people who trade R´s with L´s ? with the japanese is the opposite. --Kaze Kaze No Mi 15:52, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * The R and L thing applies to the Japanese as well due to contact with the Chinese in the ancient past. This is also kinda why there is "Zolo".Mugiwara Franky 15:57, October 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Theres others too... "B" and "V" sometimes get muddled up, "P" is sometimes included in that one too. "Th" and "Sh", not to mention "Du" and "Ju". Loads of them the deeper you look into them. "L" and "R" are the most common. And theres also things like silent "u" to screw up the non-understanders even more. One-Winged Hawk 18:14, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I think we should stick with Enel, since it's actually pronounced that way in the Japanese anime. The Pope 00:19, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

So, has it been decided which one we'll use in the wikia? It is confusing to refer to him as Enel and Eneru in the same article (for the readers) and on the other ones as well. It is time we reach a decision if not one has been made yet. MasterDeva 20:47, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * For the record I want to say that I'm in favor of Enel as the best choice since Japanese pronounce L as Eru when it's in the end of a name. Technically Eneru is correct as the romanization of his name but in English it's Enel and that's how it should be written here too. MasterDeva 20:59, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Since there are no objections, may I take it as the okay to continue with the changes!? MasterDeva 08:36, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * About Enel being used all over the article, that was somewhat of an illegal change made while this discussion was still going on. In the English versions, its Eneru. For the L being pronounced as Eru, sometimes its romanized as Eru I believe.Mugiwara Franky 09:11, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Since we have to abide by the translations made for the English version of the manga we should change all references to his name as Eneru. One thing is that name of the Italian electric company is Enel not Eneru, just because we are obliged to use Eneru let's not change the name of the company too! MasterDeva 09:38, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Since when did it matter what the English manga said? They also romanized Poneglyph as "Ponegliff". The Pope 15:31, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel and Eneru appeared in Jump Magazine as clear as day, as I said already. One on the front page and the other on the character poll. All I can say is relisten to the anime folks and decide. Either that or we look at what the Japanese fans are writing, if possible. One-Winged Hawk 09:41, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't know we had that flexibility! Enel is back on the table I guess. How are we going to decide this, we'll vote? MasterDeva 09:52, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well 1)I can't remember which way round it was... 2) whats more significant as evidence, the front page or the character poll? Character polls often have alternative spellings as it were that much I will note. Their organised by S.Jump magazine. On the other hand... So is the front page. One-Winged Hawk 18:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

You're obviously on the wrong wikia if you think we have to "abide" by what Viz uses. Also that's completely false about Japanese people saying L as R. Watch more anime and actually listen. In Elfen Lied and Fairy Tail they say Lucy not Rucy. Also I'll vote for Enel because they are obviously saying it in the anime and K-F also used it. Drunk Samurai 18:05, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've explained before the "l" and "r" sound. Yes they can tell the difference but; Luffy even gets called "Ruffy" at times. The same prounciation for "l" exists for "r". Listen to the anime closely, in your head you write "luffy" so you often miss when "Ruffy" comes up. But anyway, I'm not going to argue all day about this... Lets end the discussion on ls and rs here. We've got a name to discuss right here and now. Anyone can read the previous comments and talk about ls and rs until the cows come home; "Enel" and "Eneru" won't be resolved THIS way. We need a CLEAR resolution, like "Odz/Oz" becoming "Oars". And since Oda's not supplied it, we have to find other sources. MErchandise, games, S.J. Mag, these WILL resolve the issue, not the l and r argument. So lets throw THAT particular argument away for once and just look at what we can find in other sources. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 18:18, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Nope. I have never missed it. Since they never do it. Also neither merchandise or Shounen Jump is reliable. They called Jyabura Jabra. Drunk Samurai 18:25, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't remind me of that little spelling that causes hassle every so often. Well then we're back at square one; we have no proof which is correct. To be honest though, I won't make judgments here since I'm not sure on the pronunciation here of the name myself. Skypiea and the Davy Fights are the two arcs I can't bring myself to rewatch after watching once. To edit in conjunction with those arcs I've always gone back to the manga source rather then watch the anime. Say does Stephen have his script up still, what did he use? :-/ One-Winged Hawk 18:45, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I only said that we have to "abide" to the English version with the logic behind that if we don't have any source of reference from the official Japanese version (manga, databooks, etc) the next logic thing to do is use the next "official version" that is available. Do not misinterpret my words Drunk Samurai, that's what has happened in this wiki other cases until an alternative was found! One-Winged Hawk is right by the way, they have used Ruffy in the anime, the fact that you haven't noticed it still doesn't mean it's not there!! MasterDeva 19:40, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Not once has the official English version ever been used to name anything on this wikia. It goes against the guidelines. Also no they never say Ruffy. Only people who are trying to hear the r sound hear it. Drunk Samurai 20:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's not what I was trying to say! Never mind it's not exactly related to this issue we are facing here so I will let it slide. I am searching for a link to the anime to prove what One-Winged Hawk said, it might take a while but all I have to do is search in order to find it! To answer her question Stephen used Ener in his translations, I don't know if that is of any help or not. MasterDeva 20:19, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * For Ener to work it would be dependent on a Silent "u". As I said, I kinda haven't watched the arc more then one... Nor do I plan to. So lets put this much on the table; Are they or are they not pronouncing the "u". Lets start with this little basic thing. One-Winged Hawk 20:36, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * For the most part they have used Eneru, especially during the last episodes of the Skypiea Arc of the anime. So, we have to choose between Enel or Eneru. MasterDeva 21:07, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * They pronounce it as "Enel" in the anime. The Pope 22:21, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * They have undeniably used Enel but Eneru has been used a lot more especially during the end of the arc. Still, my vote goes to Enel. MasterDeva 23:19, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Voting time!
Maybe its time we ran a vote... This isn't getting anywhere... One-Winged Hawk 23:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Closing Date: I forgot a closing date.... Okay lets make it next Friday (27th Nov). So next friday, the votes are counted... Which is three so far. Then we'll decide then. One-Winged Hawk 15:13, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Reasons for Enel:

Reasons for Eneru:

Votes:
 * Abstain: I haven't the faintest idea... I've never seen Oda's version, I've seen both used in S.J.Mag. I'm just happy to have an issue resolved. One-Winged Hawk 23:39, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: There's about just as much evidence for Eneru as there is Enel, and in the anime it's pronounced with a very firm "l"; absolutely no slur. The Pope 01:57, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: I agree with the above, Enel seems to be the best choice of the two and the one that fits best. Until we get a source from Oda that states exactly how it should be let's stick with this one and keep our antennas up for any news regarding this matter. MasterDeva 18:56, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: I agree with all the statents above. El Chupacabra 15:15, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: same as above--Swg66 17:12, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Enel: I agree with the above statements. Kaizoku-Hime 19:05, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Enel: Agreed with The Pope. There is very little emphasis on the whole 'ru' syllable when his name is pronounced in the anime. Sephirona 19:27, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Enel: for above reasons--Croc117 22:03, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Eneru: No rival huh, reason is because this name is being used in our country. Coldhandzz 00:10, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, Viz and FUNimation's translations shouldn't always be taken as word of God. Otherwise, "Seven Warlords of the Sea" would be all over this Wiki. The Pope 02:48, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to mention this particular view is somewhat broken due to translation errors in the past... Eneru was also used by 4Kids and we all know the problems with that dub. Not to mention Viz is the company who I have had experience with bad translations in the past over, so should never be taken for granted. A volume of Beyblade I brought shows on the back 2-4 spelling mistakes that only appear on THAT volum and should never have occured (the inside book does not contain the spelling errors so who got it wrong on the cover?). FUNimation also isn't perfect but their better then most. One-Winged Hawk 10:40, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ener: It's a fair middle ground, and plays better on the "energy" pun in English. I've grown fond of Enel, but "Ener" would probably be more correct. If "Ener" isn't an option, then my vote goes for Enel. The "u" at the end of Eneru looks to be a Japanese grammatical issue. Cody2526
 * Enel: Since it is in Katakana, I suppose the u is not pronounced, so it is best if it is not written. Kdom 20:52, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ener or Eneru: The original English word is "Energy", not "Enelgy".
 * }

Eneru's and Nami's lightning
Eneru's lightning is light blue, but Nami's lightning from the clima tact is yellow. Is there a difference between them? Sandrew


 * Not really. It's just colors.Mugiwara Franky 15:05, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

God=Lightning?
i saw on the page the translation of "ware no kaminara"=god or lightning, it just seems a bit weird the japanese god is a synonim of lightning. Anyone knows the meaning of Kaminara?

THT, its God OF lightning, kami=god, but I'm not sure about nara, but my best guess and the most possible one is that it means lightning

thx for the clarification, and i'm sorry for considering "of" as "or", it's just a habitude, in my language "of" means "or". P.S. isn't "rai" lightning? nara is probably a synonim then

Well I'm not sure if nara, wait, isn't it nari? kaminari? well I'll go check God is kami as I said and god of lightning is kaminar I

Appearance based on Eminem
Did Oda actually say he was based on Eminem or did he just say something along the lines of "Sure let's go with that." when someone asked whether Enel was based on him? 71.252.138.143 04:42, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

When was it ever stated that he was based on Eminem? Was that in the trivia? I don't recall ever reading that.... 05:11, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Crossover
"Enel appeared in a Shonen Jump special, where he attacked Tokyo and Odaiba. Goku arrives to fight Enel and Luffy appears to help him. Luffy and Goku make an attack called "Gomu Gomu No Kame Hame Ha" and they defeat Enel."

About this crossover: anyone know how is it named ? I found four videos of it, and as I could see it was run into some sort of theatre with different screens: a big one used for close ups while each of the smaller ones showed a different part of the animation. As a example, here's the mentioned "Gomu Gomu no Kamehameha" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epIT3Jb0bSg

I will also put here these two videos that managed to record each screen separated and then joined all together into just one screen, making it possible to watch the crossover without losing anything (however, its in japanese)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVLGXBI1j0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNVhFSYy4Xg

The guy with the blue shirt at the begining is Kochikame, character from another manga/anime that I really don't know.

Also, there's another crossover called "Dream 9: Toriko & One Piece & Dragon Ball Z Super Collaboration Special", much easier to find. However I couldn't find a page for it here, so I was wondering if crossovers are not allowed here. But then you have one for Cross Epoch...

Thank you for your attention. 189.18.136.108 05:06, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

The page for it is Episode 590. 05:24, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

The page for the Toriko crossover, right ? weird how it is only named "Episode 590", but I'm sure it's because of some edit policies I don't know.

But the page says it is the first anime crossover betwen One Piece and Dragon Ball, isn't that wrong. ?? I mean, there's the crossover where Enel is a villain, which i'm sure came before this one. As I said, the one with Enel (that I even put the videos above) and the one with Toriko are two different crossovers. 189.18.136.108 05:36, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

I was talking about these crossovers (copy and past the links, including the "!" at the end)

[//dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kyutai_Panic_Adventure http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kyutai_Panic_Adventure]!

[//dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kyutai_Panic_Adventure_Returns http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kyutai_Panic_Adventure_Returns]!

189.18.39.89 08:06, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Eneru is his English name
While most views still hasen't realized or not, In the english version of One Piece: "Eneru" is his english name in viz Funimation and 4kids alike. Sonic2479 (talk) 07:47, September 14, 2013 (UTC)Sonic2479Sonic2479 (talk) 07:47, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Please provide a source so we may confirm this. 08:19, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Believe me his english name is eneru, the funimation dub, viz and awful 4kids use that spelling of his name. even namco in the release of pirate warriors 2 for the PS3 used eneru. its been like that for quite awhile now. AsuraDrago 16:13, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Dubs pronounce the primary antagonists name "Loofy", should we change the spelling of his name to that? 23:02, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

That argument doesn't make any sense at all. Its pronounced the same way no matter how its spelled. It isn't like its a double vowel name. SeaTerror (talk) 23:04, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're trying to get here. The article already acknowledges that the English versions use "Eneru". And long ago, the wiki decided that "Enel" was the proper spelling.

Though if you're trying to convince us that "Eneru" is indeed the correct spelling, you'll have to provide hard evidence from raw Japanese material that shows the spelling in English. I've looked at the the old discussion and there were claims that both romanizations were used, but no links were provided for "Eneru", only for "Enel". Perhaps it's time to track those down and get a clear answer. 23:20, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

Well in my case I was referring to his English spelling. But in my opinion I believe “Eneru” is the correct spelling. This is based on the Romanization. In the Japanese dub everyone pronounces enel “eneru”. Official translators for Funimation and Viz use this name. Of course pronunciation does not always lead to correct spelling.

Take Luffy for example, Romanized his named is pronounced “Roofy”, while when spelled in English by Oda and official translators we say “Loofy” for the spelling of Luffy. In Germany they call luffy “Ruffy” because of the pronunciation. Another example can be Jinbei, his name is spelled Jinbei officially in the Japanese version but in the english releases it is spelled Jimbei because it is pronounced in the Japanese version with an M sound where the N in his name is.

In eneru’s case we haven’t seen Oda spell his name officially in the manga (or if any of you have tell me about it). In most Japanese trading cards or merchandise we see his name spelled enel in english. The Japanese language is odd when pronouncing L & R sounds in words or names, as they do not have actual consonants. AsuraDrago 02:01, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

So have found any sources yet? 10:12, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm bringing this up because I noticed a little bit of a problem. I have, even though I've searched hard, not seen a single romanization of "Enel". If there ever was one, it would be in Chapter 254, but I can't find any raw images of it. As far as I know, the only time "Enel" was an official spelling was in Unlimited Adventure, which was practically FUNimation's first One Piece translation, and it has since been changed. I know JustSomeDude said that there was a link for Enel in the previous discussion, but I haven't found any. If the article says that his romanized named is "Eneru", should we rename this page to "Eneru"? 05:57, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

I've been going around to as many of the old game pages as I can navigate since I can't read Japanese trying to find more instances of spellings, since the claims above are all from games. Here's what I found:
 * Unlimited Cruise 2: Enel.

Annnnd, actually, that's it. Didn't seem to find any others. Promtional Stuff from Pirate Warriors 1 had lots of romanizations, but I couldn't find Enel on the character list. 13:30, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Klobis would have changed it years ago if it was wrong. Also the article does not say his name was romanized as Eneru. SeaTerror (talk) 16:36, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

The infobox says it. Something tells me "Enel" is nothing more than a common case of Engrish. 17:26, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

That's not the kind of romanization that we refer to when spelling a name. That's just the transliteration from the katakana. Oda has never directly romanized the name himself. SeaTerror (talk) 17:30, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Is that so? Then we should probably rename this page, then. Eneru is a more accurate and more "official" translation. 18:08, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Oh so you ignored everything I said. Keep the trolling elsewhere. SeaTerror (talk) 18:12, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong about Enel - all Japanese kana are vowel or consonant+vowel (with the exception of n). Examples are Sauro → Saul and Kyabendisshu → Cavendish. His name hasn't been spelt out in English in any of the manga/databooks, so we can use any spelling we want that fits. I personally don't like Eneru because it makes it look like it should be pronounced Ene-roo when the u sound is much much shorter than that. 18:22, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Without a Japanese source for "Eneru", I think it's safe to close this discussion. Find one, then reopen it, otherwise nothing new can be added to this discussion. 23:50, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Update: Here's another source for "Enel" from Pirate Warriors 3. 21:46, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Enel Electricity Company
I know we can't put this in trivia without it being confirmed, but Ente  Nazionale per l'energia  ELettrica is an Italian electricity company, and one of the biggest power providers in Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enel Just something to think about. 16:11, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

It's already been on there for a couple years now. 17:05, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, back in 2009 by somebody named Kazekazenomi.

Fan Poll Trivia
That doesn't "fix it", ST, but I appreciate the effort. Let me go into more detail as to why this trivia doesn't belong here or anywhere. We claim that Enel is the most popular antagonist in the 3rd and 4th fan polls. Outside of CP9. Well, okay. He's underneath Lucci, Kaku, and Jabra, so they're the most popular antagonists, right? I don't understand why we even care about who's the highest besides CP9. It'd be like putting that Arlong is the most popular antagonist besides CP9, Enel, and Crocodile. But even then...
 * In the 3rd and 4th Japanese Fan Poll, Enel is ranked the 22nd most popular character, making him the most popular major antagonist (outside the CP9 members).[29]  In the 5th poll, he ranked 48th.

Enel ISN'T the most popular antagonist outside of CP9. In the 3rd fan polls, he's outranked by Mr. 2 Bon Clay, Tashigi, Aokiji, Smoker, Franky, and Mihawk. Sure, they can almost all be considered allies now, but the poll was during Water 7, and they were all antagonists then. Well, except Bon Boy.

In the 4th poll, he's outranked by Buggy, Smoker, Aokiji, Kid, and Mihawk. And the CP9 still.

In the 5th and most recent poll, the only one that should even be worth mentioning (if even), he's underneath Akainu, Kaku, Kizaru, Senor Pink, Lucci, Sugar, Caesar, Fujitora, Buggy, Smoker, Mihawk, Perona, Bon Clay, Kid, Doflamingo, and Crocodile. And a few more debatable cases for antagonist, such as Boa Hancock, the main antagonist of the Amazon Lily arc.

Enel isn't and was never the most popular anything of anything. Even "outside of CP9". And where he places on a poll isn't character trivia. 18:22, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

It shouldn't be removed at all then. Just reworded again since we put all poll results in trivia sections. SeaTerror (talk) 19:08, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

"In the 3rd and 4th Japanese Fan Poll, Enel is ranked the 22nd most popular character. In the 5th poll, he ranked 48th."

That's all we need to say. we don't need to make a bunch of confusing exceptions just to make Enel seem more notable. 00:47, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Still too much. On other pages, we only list the most recent placement. So it should actually be the single sentence, "In the 5th Japanese Fan Poll, Enel is ranked the 48th most popular character." But in my own opinion, even saying that is pointless and not very trivia-worthy because it's on every single page. If people want to know rankings, they should just go to the Fan Poll page. I think I'll open up a forum soon about removing these. 02:27, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Makes no harm at all to have that sentence is his page. Just add what JSD said and close this. 07:09, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Done. 13:47, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Eneru not Enel
His name is offically translated as Eneru in the English Dub of One Piece so why would you name him Enel based on what one source says?

Gokudo (talk) 22:55, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
 * I think wiki policy is different than what one would expect from the Dragon Ball version. Don't ask me why.Observer Supreme 23:19, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

Because we don't use official English names SeaTerror (talk) 16:17, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

Some English localized spellings are incorrect like Jimbei and Shiryu. Eneru is another incorrect spelling. Meshack (talk) 17:11, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

I'm assuming you have proof Meshack.

I don't understand Obsever Supreme.

Why SeaTerror? If there is no other translation and you decide this is the right translation you are litrealy making up facts and the whole point of Wikia and Wikipedia is to provied facts.Gokudo (talk) 00:25, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

It would help you to read the rest of the talk page. So we objectively look at all translations and don't give preference to the official one unless it's the only correct one. Both "Enel" and "Eneru" are technically correct spellings of his name, although when transliterating Japanese one would be more inclined to end the name with a consonant because of the short "u" ending - which you don't really hear when Enel's name is spoken out loud. So since "Enel" was romanized by two sources, and the "-el" ending is seen as a better fit by most of the wiki (I mean, look at the trivia, the -el suffix is Hebrew for God/Power). All Eneru has is an official translation from a time when the official translations were quite liberal/questionable. So considering everything in Enel's favor we're going to keep it as such unless it's romanized otherwise in the manga. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:54, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

That makes no sense. Why would you not use the official English dub translation on a website meant to give factual information about a Japanese cartoon in English? That's litrealy the same as having a game from another country come to a country that speaks a diffrent language than the language the country it came from spooke but the publishers of that country choose not to translate it because it is most accurate to leave it untranslated. Besides it is confusing to have one version of an English source say "His name is Eneru"and another say "His name is Enel" and just so you know most people won't understand the altrenate names section since there is such an overload of information on Wikia as there is.Gokudo (talk) 04:00, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

Enel is the actual translation of the name. SeaTerror (talk) 04:13, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

Actually, Enel is not a translation and neither is Eneru. It's a transliteration. You do not seem to know how Japanese works. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:45, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

I'm confused who's talking to who. I'm assuming Kaido is talking to Sea. Hey Sea where is that the "actual translation"? And Kaido what's transliteration?Gokudo (talk) 16:58, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

We should wait for the official spelling from Vivre Card databook. Viz often makes incorrect names such as "Zolo". Cdwp22 (talk) 08:35, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

I was talking about the english dub by Funimation not Viz Media's translation of the manga.Gokudo (talk) 17:18, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

Both Funimation dub and Viz translation are made by English translators. Wiki takes name from official sources such as manga itself or databooks because they're made by Oda or his editors. "Enel" is as correct as "Eneru". We will have his official name by 4th February 2019 when the booster set with Enel/Eneru's card will be released. There's no need to change name now. Cdwp22 (talk) 18:10, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

If it's incorrect I see no reason not to change it otherwise people will assume that is correct and not realize that "it was a mistake" until they come back and check which there is no guarantee they will do. and since currently there is not official translation other than the ones provided by Funimation and Viz Media we would have to use those and since one seems more accurate than the other it seems we would have to change it to the most accurate translation which is Eneru and if you are wondering what I mean by " one seems more accurate than the other" I will explain. It is as you said "Viz often makes incorrect names such as 'Zolo'".Gokudo (talk) 20:27, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

We don't have to use what the official translation uses, and just because they use it doesn't mean it's more accurate. We have discussed Enel's name before, which you can read about up above. There are instances linked of Japanese sources spelling it as such. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:55, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

You keep saying "We don't have to use what the official translation uses" but if that's the most accurate then we do actually. I have read the others discussion on this matter because I do care about this topic but I did not see any official use of the name "Enel" unless my memory is not correct unless you mean video games such as one of the Pirate Warriors. If there is not translation of his name other than the Viz Media manga, the Funimation English dub and video game translations then it is the most accurate since the whole purpose of Funimation and companies like it is to attempt to translate the names and dialog in the One Piece anime as accurately as possible as well as trying to match the animation of the character's mouth.Gokudo (talk) 20:46, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

The Pirate Warriors spelling demonstrates an English spelling of Enel from a Japanese source. If we get an English spelling from a source like that, then we'll be more inclined to use it.

And no, Funimation and Viz are not solely dedicated on using the most accurate transliteration of a name - they often go for things that they feel might make more sense for an English speaker. And that's ignoring the fact that, objectively, Eneru is not the most accurate transliteration no matter how you look at it - Enel and Ener are equally as accurate. Funimation and Viz aren't full of super-translators who can pinpoint the one best transliteration to use.

So considering that we have a Japanese source that spells it as Enel, and that Enel is just as accurate as Eneru, and you're currently outnumbered here 5-1, chances are we'll be keeping it as Enel. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:57, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

So I just looked up Eneru in both Pirate Warriors 2 & 3 Japanese version and saw the name of Eneru was written in Japanese letters so, what are you talking about? Being "outnumbered here 5-1" literally makes no difference. it is possible for majority of people to be wrong and please don't turn off your brain again like it seemed like you did before. The reason Eneru is more accurate than Enel is because the manga translations, at least recently, have been less accurate compared to the anime version since people are more vocal about the translations in anime then manga so they can get away with more mistakes then the anime version can other wise fanboys will scream about.Gokudo (talk) 21:16, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Pirate Warriors 3 - His name is written out on the right. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 21:45, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Either I'm blind or I am missunderstanding cuz I don't see it in English letters. Are you allowed to post photos here? If so I'll put my screenshot of what I see.Gokudo (talk) 21:50, September 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Red box added by me. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 21:57, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Woah nice eye but we can't go based on that since it has some mispellings such as "Perhona" vs "Perona", "Jimbei" instead of "Jinbe" and "Gecko Moriah" instead of "Gekko Moriah". So it's not the most accurate source. But nice find.Gokudo (talk) 22:31, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Official English versions are not the most accurate if they use things like Zolo. SeaTerror (talk) 21:34, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Are you refering to Viz Media or 4Kid's? Also why did you remove my posts?Gokudo (talk) 21:42, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Just keep it as Enel like others have said 21:56, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Not without reason because people would see it and assume it to be correct then if we were wrong and they don't comeback and check then that means we provided the wrong information which would make the whole point of Wikia useless.Gokudo (talk) 22:31, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

You're not making any sense here. I already stated that the Funimation dubbers' decisions have no bearing on whether or not "Eneru" is more accurate than "Enel". The two are objectively equally accurate. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 22:08, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

They have people who's job is to translate and while we guess based on this or that so they have a higher chance of being right than we do.Gokudo (talk) 22:31, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Then stop ignoring that they also use Zolo. SeaTerror (talk) 05:16, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry but, are you okay in the head or blind? I asked you a question.Gokudo (talk) 05:45, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

If you really want to use the VIZ/Funi spelling of the name, just go to Wikipedia.

Can people with literally no opposing points other than "I don't want to change it so we won't change it" stop coming? You have no reason to come here other than triying to do "5 to 1" or something of that which really couldn't matter less.Gokudo (talk) 08:40, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

Your question is irrelevant. It doesn't matter which English version uses it if it is wrong. They are not "the most accurate" just because they are official English translations. We have provided you multiple examples of them being blatantly wrong. They are the lowest on the list for name spellings of any source. SeaTerror (talk) 07:37, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

How is my question irrelevant? I'm not going to explain the diffrence between 4Kid's Tv and Funimation since you clearly don't know what you are talking about you have no reason to be here just like two others I can think of but at least there are some who try to give reasons like Dragonus Nesha and occasionally Kaido King of the Beasts. "We have provided you multiple examples of them being blatantly wrong." So was the ONLY piece of "Enel" evidence I've seen. " They are the lowest on the list for name spellings of any source." Can you show me this "list" if there is one and if not then can you explain why? And please tell me why all of you really want to keep the name"Enel" because there's clearly blnd biais towards it since I haven't gotten much other than "Just keep it as Enel like others have said" only one person actually gave me something, so what's the real reason?Gokudo (talk) 08:40, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

Just wait few months for the official name from databook. Cdwp22 (talk) 09:50, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

"If it's incorrect I see no reason not to change it otherwise people will assume that is correct and not realize that 'it was a mistake' until they come back and check which there is no guarantee they will do."Gokudo (talk) 17:38, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

The reason is that Eneru is objectively not more accurate than Enel, and that we're not obligated to use official English translations. So with it being 8-1 in favor of Enel, this talk page is going to close in 12 hours unless other people chip in for changing it. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:47, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

It is since like I said I have only gotten one piece of proof that Enel is correct but that isn't trustworthy information as I already pointed out. I told you we do have to use  the official English translation if it's correct. Like I said amount does not matter since most of them are saying literally nothing other than "Just keep it as Enel like others have said". So your are closing the Talk Page because you don't have any reasons as to why it should be Enel. Are you even allowed to "close" a talk page? and if so, what conditions must be met to close it?Gokudo (talk) 18:06, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

Zolo is from Viz. Funimation used Bon Clay. So yes it is irrelevant. The list is below and what you're calling "incorrect" is not incorrect.

Original manga SBS Databooks Anime/Games Scanlators English versions (VIZ, FUNimation) SeaTerror (talk) 18:08, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

I know Zolo is from Viz Media but I was talking about Funimation when I said "They have people who's job is to translate and while we guess based on this or that so they have a higher chance of being right than we do.". Bon Clay is incorrect but the only source I've gotten is incorrect multipule times vs once that I have seen. This lists prioritities don't seem right for exsample the games have been more consistently wrong comparaed to the dubbed version from the proof you guys have show but manga and SBS are at least right.Gokudo (talk) 18:17, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

We don't have to use the official translation. Nowhere does it say that. And just because someone does not have an argument of their own to make does not mean their opinion is invalid. Talk pages are closed when there is a clear majority over a period of time, and 8-1 is nothing short of clear. We are not going to spend months in a circular argument when you are the only one who supports Eneru and most of your arguments consist of saying we have no reason to use Enel, when we have provided several. Meanwhile your only reason has been the official dub, and you've demonstrated that you have no grasp of the Japanese language to understand how Enel can be written. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:22, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

PLEASE READ EVERY WORD THIS TIME AND RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. Like I said whatever is most accurate is used for the information such as names and since you guys did not give me anything to say otherwise Eneru is clearly has the higher chance of being right since there is only one piece of proof given to me and the has multiple names wrong and the examples of the dub being wrong that you guys gave has only been is one. "just because someone does not have an argument of their own to make does not mean their opinion is invalid." This is where you are wrong, Wikia isn't here for opinions it is here for facts so you guys clearly are going based on opinion since you guys have no other reasons to argue with me right now because whatever proof (which is only one) or arguments I've gotten I've disproven. "Talk pages are closed when there is a clear majority over a period of time, and 8-1 is nothing short of clear." Where is this said and how much time? Most of them said things like "If you really want to use the VIZ/Funi spelling of the name, just go to Wikipedia." and the whole point of this is not to vote like you seem to be assuming but instead to DISCUSES what is the most accurate. "most of your arguments consist of saying we have no reason to use Enel, when we have provided several." Like what? I've only seen one. You forget that the only reason Enel is up there is because you guys already "provided" that Enel is more accurate but I have yet to see why that is. ". Meanwhile your only reason has been the official dub, and you've demonstrated that you have no grasp of the Japanese language to understand how Enel can be written." First of all a lot of assumption going on here. You forget that you guys need to prove why whatever your source for "Enel" is more accurate than "Eneru" in the first place since I have an official source called the English dub from Funimation and guys have nothing. I know Japanese people don't have "L" in their language so they say "R" instead if that's what you mean. Provide evidence why Enel is right even if "it has already been posted". Gokudo (talk) 19:20, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

Funimation is an even lower priority than Viz since they're anime instead of manga. It doesn't matter if their job is to translate something. We go by the most accurate translation possible. We have actual Japanese people providing translations for the most part which would be far more reliable than some random white guy from America translating. SeaTerror (talk) 18:56, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't solely matter if "it's manga" or not it depends on how accurate the information is and since the Viz Media has made more mistakes that means the English dub on the anime is a higher priority and the same goes for the games.Gokudo (talk) 19:20, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

You've been proven wrong multiple times. Get over it. I also love how you ignore actual Japanese people translating what we use. SeaTerror (talk) 20:49, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

When was I proven wrong? You do know you can't say Eneru, Enel or Ener are incorrect, right?Gokudo (talk) 08:34, September 15, 2018 (UTC)