One Piece Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 1

Writing up what we're striving for
Amongst other things... We need:
 * Welcome section
 * Editing information
 * Bulletin board
 * Collaborations (pages that need expanding.)
 * Resources (basically a list of Policies and guidelines, our standards we are using, etc. I vote first thing we do here is make it clear what names we are using.)

And several other things that I can't think up right now.


 * Set up the basics and added a few things. Some things will need to be corrected. I hope I won't be the only one looking after this page and Current Events page.... After all I'm not the only one on this wikia. We should all try and figure these pages out.


 * However the other pages are more important to get up so lets not spend too much time on this page until they get set up. Angel Emfrbl 12:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Introduction
Well, I'm bringing this up in order to help make this Wiki a better place for fans, I will start expanding information on characters and the organisations. Note: I will use the best known terms, and I abhor the 4Kids dub. (Justyn 09:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC))

A small note from me
I apologise for the layout change on our discussion page here... I'm trying to make everything easier to find then how we have it on Wikipedia... Basically, putting all the comments and suggestions together. So we have 'Current Issues' right now (name changeable), and then related stuff as sub headlines in that part... I don't want to avoid the mess we have on wikipedia's main One Piece Page. If you hate this idea, you change change it back. Angel Emfrbl 20:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Tasks needed to be done
Sigmasonic X 23:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Clean up existing pages to remove unnecessary links and expand the information.
 * Create a consistent format for the pages.

Stuff to be Included
Alright, some suggestions on pages I think would be better suited here than at Wikipedia:


 * List of One Piece bounties
 * List of One Piece animals
 * List of One Piece episodes
 * All pages in the One Piece story arcs category
 * List of One Piece games
 * All pages in the One Piece episodes category
 * List of One Piece music
 * One Piece timeline
 * One Piece anime (English adaptation)
 * One Piece manga (English version)
 * List of One Piece locations
 * The movie pages:
 * One Piece: The Movie
 * Jango's Dance Carnival
 * Clockwork Island Adventure
 * Dream Soccer King!
 * Chopper's Kingdom on the Island of Strange Animals
 * Dead End Adventure
 * Take Aim! The Pirate Baseball King
 * Curse of the Sacred Sword
 * Baron Omatsuri and the Secret Island
 * The Giant Mechanical Soldier of Karakuri Castle

That's all I can think of for now... (This is MurasakiSeiko from Wikipedia, if anyone cares. ^^;;)


 * The games list is safe on wikipedia. Its been checked. But doesn't matter, you could get away safely with it being here and on wikipedia. 82.34.192.189 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC) <Note this reply was made by Angel Emfrbl... Who hasn't signed up to Wikia yet. Sorry I forgot about that!

One comment
I'd just like to say that, no matter how much you want to, it's probably not the best idea to put the attack page link on the One Piece table on Wikipedia. It really looks bad, is unprofessional, and just doesn't need to be there.

However, if you get this wiki really nice and detailed, I'm sure you could link to it from the One Piece article, and people could easily find the attack list, as well as all the other information you could most likely offer better here than on Wikipedia itself.

Layout
Before we get too deep in things... Lets start by redoing all the pages as we upload them here. For example: the character pages - create a 'standard' format we can use for ALL One Piece pages.
 * An introduction to the character (usually 'about this character'
 * Stats (usually at the side of the page, but I'd like them to be part of the page for some reason... Though I'm not quite sure of it). In this section:
 * Age
 * Birthday
 * Faction
 * Occupation
 * Dream
 * Voice Actors
 * Japanese/English names
 * Etc these are examples
 * History
 * Etc, you get the idea.

If we do this, it will make life a LOT easier. Angel Emfrbl 20:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I just figured out why I felt we do not need those side panel states... The space is tighter here on Wikia oppose to Wikipedia. Basically, the page looks CRAMPED. Angel Emfrbl 20:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's my idea for the format of the character pages. Of course, sections that don't apply to a character don't have to be included. I think this format should be followed by all characters, even minor ones, though in the case of characters with little information, the sections shouldn't, well, be in separate sections. They should still be in order, however. This should also be applied to the Wikipedia pages. However, the Wikipedia pages should not include "Major Battles" and some of the "Statistics"Sigmasonic X 07:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Introduction
 * Ex: Monkey D. Luffy is captain of the Straw Hat Pirates and is the main protagonist of the series.
 * Statistics, like Emfrbl's above. Some other possible information could be "First Appearance", "Most Recent Appearance", "Friends", "Enemies", etc.
 * Personality
 * Abilities and Powers, includes "Forms" and general themes of attacks.
 * Ex: Zoro's attacks tend to gain in power depending on the number of swords used, and they all contain puns.
 * History, only talks about events that take place before the main timeline of the series--in other words, before Luffy became a pirate.
 * Present Story (tentative title), talks about what the characters did in the actual present story. For example, while Zoro's vow to Kuina would be included in "History", his fight with Mihawk would be placed here.
 * Current Events, events in recent chapters involving the character that aren't important enough for "Present Story".
 * Major Battles
 * Trivia
 * Related Articles
 * References
 * External Sites, character fansites and the like.
 * Ex: Sigmasonic X is an editor at Wikipedia and a regular poster on several message boards. He was born in the 80s, is a nerd, and can fire energy blasts. When he was a child, he was killed by the moon but was resurrected as a robot. In episode 69 he had sex with a hippo, changing his life forever, and in the recent Ch. 426589 he fought Pedo Bear and lost. Some major foes he fought include, in order, Lord Endionex (ch. 2456) and Pedo Bear (ch. 426589). He once appeared in a videogame called "Dragon Wii vs. The Grand Man in a Pan".

Also, here's what I think we should do with attacks. First, split the attacks into these pages: Basically, break the already existing sections into their own pages. Also, every character with named attacks will be included, not just with 5+. The reason for splitting the page apart lies in the new attack format. For each attack: Sigmasonic X 07:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Individual Pages for each Straw Hat
 * Straw Hat Allies
 * East Blue Pirates
 * Grand Line Pirates and Others
 * Navy
 * Baroque Works
 * Cipher Pol
 * Rokushiki (it already has its own page)
 * Literal English Name Translation
 * Japanese Name followed by Kanji, followed by Japanese Anime Name if different
 * English Manga Name
 * English Anime Name
 * First Use
 * Most Recent Use
 * Description, noting any variations used
 * Ex: Gomu Gomu no Pistol has been used both with Luffy stretching his arm behind him first and without.
 * Analysis, analyzes attack and shows how attack viewed
 * Ex: Despite only being used once in canon and failing that one time, Ten-Thousand Worlds (forgot Japanese name, which would be used in this case) is considered one of Zoro's most powerful attacks and is often portrayed as such in One Piece videogames.

Somebody mind filling me in on what exactly is so *wrong* with the info-boxes on the side of the page under the main picture? It's easy to look at, without taking up room on the page. I also don't see why pages keep getting redone from scratch, yet have less information than before. Cody2526 08:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's already been said. There isn't much room on a page and about half of it is taken by those info boxes... Long Story short, the page look better without them. If there was as much room as wikipedia, that wouldn't be such a problem.


 * In my opinion, since we're an encyclopedia for One Piece and not just an Encyclopedia like Wikipedia, its better off in the main text. The info boxes on wikipedia just seem to me to be a place to hold info that otherwise wouldn't be allowed on the page... Because everyone is against trivia and such like on Wikipedia. :/ One-Winged Hawk 18:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I always liked them because they are organized. At the least, I think we should stop deleting or redoing everything, everytime we disagree with little things. We probably should talk about it more. Short articles shouldn't have long info-boxes, and if they do the Article probably needs expanding.--Cody2526 02:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Categories
I have an idea on how to organize the character pages: group every character under "Category:Characters" or something like that, and in addition, place them under a smaller category like "Category:Navy" or something, and possibly even more precise like "Category:Navy Captain". Also, characters will be placed in other categories like "Category:Swordsman" or something, and the best part is that they will automatically be organized alphabetically. Sigmasonic X 02:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC


 * Sounds good to me... So long as its done correctly. On wikipedia I once had to correct someones error. Its about time we set up categories anyway! One-Winged Hawk 05:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay a few suggestions:
 * Pirates
 * Pirate Crews
 * Captains
 * Shichibukai
 * Navy
 * Navy Rank
 * Race
 * Mantra user
 * Swordsman
 * Sharpshooter
 * World Government
 * Ciphor Pol
 * Enies Lobby
 * Will of D
 * Devil Fruit
 * Devil Fruit User
 * Super-Human Strength user
 * One Piece Villain

All I can think of. One-Winged Hawk 14:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Here are the categories I'm using.

Already existent
 * Marines
 * One Piece
 * One Piece story arcs
 * Organizations
 * Pirates
 * Straw Hat Pirates

Added by me (in order of creation)
 * Devil Fruit Users
 * Martial Artists
 * East Blue Characters
 * Pirate Captains
 * Swordsmen
 * Fighters Who Use Technology (bad name, I know)
 * Snipers
 * North Blue Characters
 * Cooks
 * Grand Line Characters
 * Doctors
 * West Blue Characters
 * Archaeologists
 * Former Villains
 * Whitebeard Pirates
 * Will of D
 * Red-Haired Pirates
 * Buggy Pirates
 * Villains
 * Marine Chore Boys
 * Marine Captains
 * Dead Characters

I only went up to the Buggy Arc for now. It would probably be for the best if every character was put into such a category. Sigmasonic X 04:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added some other categories, though from this point on I won't list them or mention when I'm adding more again. I just want people to know that the above aren't the only categories I've created. Sigmasonic X 04:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

My 2 bits
I just like to say this is a great effort so far guys! I'll try and help this week with my spare time, however next weekend I'll be busy. There is a lot here though, I might add, and not everyone will be easily able to edit these pages... We'll have to see how it goes.

Wikipedia is getting on my nerves right now... All major edits to a page, new pages etc... They get slammed by someone for one reason or another (sometimes I swear there is no way to make a page truly encyclopedic without someone cribbing on it!). At least we have the freedom here to edit as we please! :D Angel Emfrbl 19:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Should we have a directory that lists all the One Piece Pictures? I know several Wikipedia pages (I swear people pick on anime pages on purpose on wikipedia!) that have it and no one complains. Angel Emfrbl 20:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Here, anyone else getting this bug: Sometimes when you go to the main page here, the discussion page won't go here. It only wants to go to this page, if I access it via my watchlist. I don't suppose anyone else has it, I just though I'd mention it. Angel Emfrbl 20:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * So far I've done a bit of info transferring from wikipedia. Is that okay with everyone? Should be simple enough to cut and paste info off of pages I hope. My other concern: Is the Japanese text on the wikipedia pages important here? Wikia shows them up as 'blank'. Angel Emfrbl 20:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah before I forget... We have no template here... I it possible to set one up or doesn't Wikia allow that??? Otherwise that means we need a link back to the main page at least on every One Piece page or something. Angel Emfrbl 20:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

We also have to set up the community portal and Current events page... Anyone want to try that task (lol). It would be nice to see a 'welcome' on the current events page at the very least. Somewhere, we should have a list of things to note about the manga/anime/movie/etc... Like how this week there was no manga issue. Angel Emfrbl 20:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

We should also make it clear who is project 'leader' as such (who lists all the jobs and makes the discissions and so forth). Angel Emfrbl 21:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * One last thing... This is my last thought... Where would 'Early One Piece' go then? We need the info on Romance Dawns version 1 and 2. Angel Emfrbl 21:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Better then Wikipedia
I think we should make this site far better then Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, you can't add more links, describe the character's personally, write opinions, or insert "weasel words". This site shall explain the character's in-depth, we shall create pages and to make our own editions without using content from Wikipedia.

But let's still be careful not to add any assumption, predications, speculation, rabid-fanbase comment/sentence in any articles in able to keep the site interesting and independence from Wikipedia


 * Well even on wikipedia speculation is not accepted. The only cases are on the World Government page where it has the line about Luffy is expected to be high on the lists... And the Will of D page where they just had written what the two most common theories are as to what it means. Angel Emfrbl 06:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Plus, we don't have to worry about things being in an in-world perspective; quite the opposite, the wikia pages could be entirely in an in-world perspective. And I am the one that copied a few pages from Wikipedia. My reasoning was, get the basic info up first, then flesh it out. (Justyn 06:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC))


 * I've done a few like that too. Some of the info will have to be shifted around, but at least its here! :D Angel Emfrbl 07:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Joekido here. I love to see each animals getting there own pages instead of talking about them in one full page. I'm trying to get the One Piece Encyclopedia not to go in the same way as the One Piece Wikipedia. Honestly this section buffles me, One Piece Encyclopedia should have thousands of pages while we edit the site whatever we like. Look in Star Wars Wookipedia Wikia site for example, they follow there own basic, we never saw them follow the basic in the Star Wars Wikipedia, we should do the same. We don't need this site in One Piece Wikipedia standard, this site should have it's own rules, it's own freedom. Look at Arlongpark.net, I'm trying to get this site similar to that site. We don't need One Piece Wikipedia standard here!

Joekido 6:26, 17 October 2006 (GTM)


 * Ah, I did say you its possible to expand on it... I was just concerned about using individuals names rather then the species. I reverted only to change it back. Its honestly easier to say 'Dog' then 'Chuchu' and the names of any other dogs that appear later (this is just an example). One-Winged Hawk 07:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Character Pages
Of course, sections that don't apply to a character don't have to be included. In the case of characters with little information, the categories don't have to be placed in separate sections, instead opting for a few or even one paragraph containing this information in order.
 * Introduction. This section usually goes untitled.
 * Ex: Monkey D. Luffy is captain of the Straw Hat Pirates and is the main protagonist of the series.
 * Appearance
 * Statistics. The logic behind this is that due to the smaller width of the pages here, the tables used on Wikipedia don't look very good.
 * Japanese Name
 * Romanized Name
 * English Name
 * Nicknames
 * Age
 * Birthday
 * Height
 * Affiliations
 * Japanese VA
 * English VA
 * First Appearance
 * Last Appearance
 * Rivals
 * Confirmed Relatives
 * Dream
 * Devil Fruit
 * Bounty
 * Abilities and Powers, includes "Forms" and general themes of attacks.
 * Ex: Zoro's attacks tend to gain in power depending on the number of swords used, and they all contain puns.
 * History
 * Past Story, only talks about events that take place before the main timeline of the series--in other words, before Luffy became a pirate.
 * Present Story, talks about what the characters did in the actual present timeline. For example, while Zoro's vow to Kuina would be included in "History", his fight with Mihawk would be placed here.
 * Current Events, events in recent chapters involving the character that aren't important enough for "Present Story".
 * Major Battles
 * Trivia
 * Related Articles
 * References
 * External Sites, character fansites and the like.
 * Ex: Sigmasonic X is an editor on Wikipedia. He looks like a human and little personal information is known about him. He has the power to edit Wikipedia. In the past, he couldn't even get onto the Internet, but now he can. Recently, he ate dinner. His only major battle was a grand one against Slick Tom and his slick cat friends. Sigmasonic X was playable in "Return of Endionex: The Lamest Story".

Other languages
Something that happens on wikipedia is that we get bots putting languages on every page. Every so often someone from that language turns up there and edits all our work on wikipedia to their language... So, for example, Luffy becomes 'Rufi' and Ussop 'Liar Bo' or whatever it is.

We also have the problem of every so often things like 'the shichibukai are called the Seven Samauri in the German version. Now if we allow one language set of translations on our page besides English and Japanese, we might as well let all the rest on there too... Resulting in 30+ translations of every name.

Lets try our best to keep everything to English and Japanese only. No other language is important here. Besides ones linked to name meanings and so forth. One-Winged Hawk 14:45, 17 October 2006 (PDT)

Copying Other sites
I know temptation is to just copy Arlong Park... But can we not. Lets try and create our own unique way of displaying the information rather then using someone elses' work. Its bad enough in some cases I've had to use the stuff from wikipedia in to fill the gap while we set up the site.

If anyone copies another site and the owner complains that we're copying the said site, we have have on hell of a problem here.

Plus, it kinda breaks the rule:
 * You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!

Unless you wrote it yourself... Don't just copy and paste. Its different from copying wikipedia because several of us here wrote bits and pieces of the information at some point, in some cases there is no one person that claim a whole set of text is there own work. Plus Wikia is part of the same company. One-Winged Hawk 14:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Aren't you guys copying from Wikipedia? It's the same as me copying Arlongpark.net so we are suppose to set an example and remodel the works

Joekido


 * Joekido I just explained... *sigh*... Jeokido, please try and understand my explanations... Okay... Lets put it another way, okay this is the really long explanation, it repeats some points but contains our problems and some points:


 * Okay lets start with this page: Will of D., see that page there. *I* wrote it primary, so it was my work. While it is true others have altered it from time to time, I still was the pages creator. I can say more or less, since most of it hasn't been changed, it is still my work. I can therefore put it on here with no problems (I wrote 90% of it afterall), no one else can respond and say thats my page, don't put it on here!.


 * Now wikipedia is a site where people come and go, if you don't hang around to keep editing a page, someone else will. You can't expect your page to remain the same after 6 months of absence. In that 6 months, it can change so much that another person can completely alter it into their work. Therefore you can't claim it is primary your work anymore.


 * Most of Wikipedia's pages have at some point been altered quite a bit by the people who are now here, like Sigmasonic X and myself. Therefore its as much as our work now as someone elses and we equally can claim the right to copy and paste info from the site (Sigmasonic X and I along with a few others there practically babysit Wikipedia, doing things like repairing the site). If you work is on Wikipedia, you have the same right to do so too.


 * Also, Wikia is part of the same company that owns Wikipedia, therefore its more or less the same site as such (notice similar layouts in the left hand template where it says stuff like 'Mai Page' and 'Community Portal'). Its okay to share the info between the sites.


 * Finally, this is being used as an expansion of Wikipedias site, so our data will be loosely based on there anyway. Primary we are doing this because we are limited to what we can do there, most of our work either gets labelled as 'Liftcruft' or 'Fancruft'. We try to save it but Wikipedia is against it. We need this stuff because it supports the main articles, but trouble is its hard to make some things encyclopedic. Sadly, the general wikipedia community just writes Delete and ignores our pleas on the true value of a page. We are drown out, can't get our point across and basically, keep loosing debates, loosing HOURS of hard work. Its this or nothing in some cases.


 * Now Arlong Park is a COMPLETELY different site... Therefore its iffy to take info from it even though it is free to do so. Plus, its not the work of the majority of the editors here, its someones else', unlike on Wikipedia. As I said, we break the rules taking it from Arlong Park, but not with wikipedia. Unless you wrote it there, which as with wikipedia, you are entitled to therefore copy into wikia.


 * As I said... All we need is one complaint from someone at Arlong Park, since it is nothing to do with us and thats it. We end up on bad terms. Though I doubt, since its a similar site to ours anyway, we'd ever get that, its wise to avoid it.


 * I think Sigmasonic X has explained that eventually, we want to make this have a unique feel to it, different from wikipedia and other sites... Please try to at least understand that. We can rewrite whats on Arlong Park in our own words, and get away with it so long as the difference is notable, but we can't just copy + Paste it here... I hope this clears it up. One-Winged Hawk 20:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

You must understand, I use to be an editor(Navigator) of that site but my rank and editing rights was revoked due to my stubborn-random attitude problems and talking without knowing what I'm talking about. I use to hold an grudge against the Admin but now I'm not an clumsy pathetic idiot so I'm trying to make this site similar like that site because I was the editor of that site as JoekidotheSecond. I came here because I want to have the freedom to edit again. You have to be an Navigator to edit Arlongpark.net and the site is slow and I believe it's too snobby and I want to make this site bigger then that site so the admin can give up or fuse that site with this site.

Joekido


 * Seriously... You've been nothing but a pain since you came here. Get over it, this isn't Arlong Park. This is a completely different site. Don't use Arlong Parks stuff, make up your own. Its as simple as that. You'll just get banned when our staff is set up and all and those who are mods have banning powers. Behave, do proper edits and don't be stupid. Your latest set of edits are not amusing at all. One-Winged Hawk 21:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

No Mods
I created this page by accident One Piece minor characters but we have no templates to put it have for deletation like on wikipedia... And no mods to delete it.

Here are the editors who have made suitable contributions:
 * Sigmasonic X
 * Justyn
 * Cody2526
 * Myself

Lets get a staff together or we'll have trouble later when more people start visiting this place! Two of us should become mods. One-Winged Hawk 07:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikia staffer here. Joekido has just emailed us requesting administration, but a quick glance at this page indicates that might not be the best course of action. So, in the spirit of pseudo-democracy. the following people are hereby nominated for Admin (by the virtue of them being the only active registered users):


 * 1) User:Angel Emfrbl
 * 2) User:Aquarius505
 * 3) User:Cody2526
 * 4) User:Joekido
 * 5) User:Justyn
 * 6) User:Mugiwara Franky
 * 7) User:Murasaki
 * 8) User:Sigmasonic X


 * To prevent sockpuppetry, only these listed users' votes will be counted, but other users may comment.


 * To vote, please go to One Piece Encyclopedia:Admin, and sign your name below the appropriate username. You may vote for (or against) as many users as you wish to see adminned (yourself included, but just vote once for each user). Voting will end 24 hours after at least 75% of the 8 voters have voted sufficient time has passed. Adminship will be granted to whoever I feel like. Vote tamperers will wish they weren't ^_^ --Splarka (talk) 10:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * User:Justyn has been +sysopped and +bureaucratted. --Splarka (talk) 10:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Name Change?
I've been thinking on it, and I want to have my fellow editors comments on my idea.

As I stated in the title of this section, I think that the name should be changed from the, in my opinion, dull and boring "One Piece Encyclopedia" to a name that implies the connection to the series, I only have one idea at the moment:

Wiki Wiki no Mi

My thought behind it is that it is stating it's connection to both Wikipedia (Wiki) and One Piece (to be precise, the format of Devil Fruit names). I got the idea from the way the Star Wars wikia is named, Wookieepedia.

So, what does anyone think of my idea? (Justyn 18:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC))


 * Wiki Wiki no Mi... Makes me laugh. Its a reaction grabber if anything. Its kinda silly, but better then a name like 'the One Piece Bible'. I can't think up any names to throw into the cauldron. One-Winged Hawk 19:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Here are some list of name I cast in your cauldron:

One Piece Empire

Pirate's King Den

Grand Linepedia

Straw Hat World

Grand Line Cafe

The Grand Piece

One King Piece

Arlongpedia

That's all I can list

Joekido

Since no one respond, I think "One Piece Empire" May be the good name. I'll give it an try


 * Use "a" before words that start with a constentant sound, use "an" before words that start with a vowl sound.

Barely a day has passed, and changes like this need to have a lot of time for more then three people to speak their minds. But, I'll give what I think on each of them.

"One Piece Empire"
 * To me, it sounds like a store.

"Pirate's King Den"
 * This one gives me the feeling of a fansite.

"Grand Linepedia"
 * One of the better ones in my opinion, definitely has a the encyclopedia feel.

"Straw Hat World"
 * Sounds like a store that specialises in hats.

"Grand Line Cafe"
 * Sounds like a forum.

"The Grand Piece"
 * Sounds like a video game to me.

"One King Piece"
 * This has a band feel to it.

"Arlongpedia"
 * Like I said with Grand Linepedia, it definitely has the encyclopedia feel; but the fact that a One Piece site with "Arlong" in it exists, might give people the impression that these two are closer the just detailing One Piece.

(Justyn 02:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC))

How about "The Tree of Knowledge"... or "The Tree of Omniscience" or whatever you want to call it. In case you don't remember (or aren't up to that part yet) this is the name of the tree in Ohara in Robin's flashback. Sigmasonic X 06:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree since Ohara was a place of knowledge it should have a name to do with it... Is it worth doing our own logo to go with it too? One-Winged Hawk 08:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

A little message from me
Look, I'm sorry for every goddamn problems I'm causing here, can we please move on with our jobs here and forget the past. From now on, I'm rewriting some articles in my own words and I'm going to behave here now can we stop acting like some damn children and call it an truce already!? Let's drop this shitty heated and work together again.

A Community "Play Ground"?
Something I've been pondering could we have a community "Play Ground" were we could do mess around stuff? So long as it doesn't get abused and or used as a forum... And doesn't take the work away from the main edits... It might work. I think it would be nice to have a area where we can cool down after large amounts of editing here and have some less then serious edits.

I can't think of any names for it though except:
 * Scrapbook
 * Playpen
 * Playground


 * A beginning thought: Playground


 * We'll change the name later! One-Winged Hawk 07:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let's call it, community cafe better. I'm 25 years old so cafe can be a place to discuss such matters after so much hard work.


 * Okay! Community Café it is! :D One-Winged Hawk 08:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Rules
I'd say it's about time we came up with some rules for this place. For me, I'd say we should mostly go with Wikipedia's rules, with some changes to account for our smaller range of subjects. Those are just my suggestions for some rules specific to this site. Sigmasonic X 06:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Among other things, we really need to stress that copying information directly from another site (except for Wikipedia) without even giving a source is wrong, especially from sites like Arlong Park. As soon as this is found by a mod or admin, it will immediately be deleted and the user will receive a warning. If this proves to be a big problem around here, then enough offenses may result in deletion of account.
 * While saying things like "Zoro uses three swords" is fine, things like "Lucci can beat Eneru LAWL" MUST, I repeat, MUST be sourced. If no source is given within three days and it hasn't already been deleted by another editor, then it will be deleted by a mod or admin and a warning will be given to the user--of course, for both this and the above rule, warnings for first offenses will be very light, with each following offense 's warning becoming increasingly hostile. Like the above, enough offenses will result in deletion of his or her account, though it will take more offenses than the above since this is a lighter crime.

Vandalize is not allowed, if the person continues to damage the editions will be IP blocked for an week, if the person continues to break the rules and vandalize the site will be blocked for three weeks, if the person does it again will be blocked for 1 months, if again will be blocked for 3 months, again will be blocked forever.

Joekido


 * I agree with this suggestion, however there is no way we can keep track of so many banning limits, esp. over such great lengths of time... 3 bans no more then 1 month at the most.


 * 1st ban - 1 day a warning, not all vandalism is what it seems and this is fair enough to question and doubt if they are truly vandalising.
 * 2nd ban - 1 week, if they are dumb enough to do it twice, then its clear they intend to vandal.
 * 3 ban - final warning, 1 month max, by now its clear they just want to screw things up. It shouldn't be tolierated at all.
 * If it continues - ban them forever. Seriously, if they are still doing it there is a chance they'll never learn.


 * Thats how I think we should handle Vandalism.


 * Sigmasonic X, we your rules are good too, but we're gonna have to include examples on the rules page when someone write it up. Some people aren't always clear what next referencing and what doesn't it seems. One-Winged Hawk 08:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Before I forget... Since this is part of rules One Piece Encyclopedia:Copyrights we haven't written this out... We shouldn't be submitting pictures yet since we haven't done this! Bad move, we need to fix it. One-Winged Hawk 08:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

We need to remember, we should be less strict with members. After all, someone probably isn't into vandalizing if they sign up and vandalise with an account. but it still happens. I was thinking something much less lenient for IP vandals. Truth be told they are chickens to not sign up, and have issues if messing up peoples work makes them feel good about thmeselves. I was thinking something more in the range of:


 * First Vandal attempt: IP 3 day ban, note left on their talk-page(which can always be looked up in History)
 * Second Offense: 2 week IP ban, warning that it's their final chance, as well as a note about what they did for Admins and Mods to look up.
 * 3rd and FInal Offense of Vandalism: Permanant IP ban.

As for users I was thinking something like:


 * First Time: Warning on their talk page, telling them to avoid being a Vandal or risk losing their account.
 * Second Time: 3 Day Suspension and another warning.
 * Third Time: Month long ban, sever warning
 * Fourth Offense: Permanant Account Deletion
 * Fifth and Final Incident: If the person re-registers, and continues their Vandal Activities, a quick search will be done. Any amount of proof linking a new account to an old, banned one, results in an Account ban as well as an IP ban.

We also need to start using the talk pages, and issuing warnings when major changes are not discussed first. Page Improvement is always nice, but a couple times the new page has less information than the 1st, as isn't well written. We need to learn tha tif a change is needed, we can tell others, and it will likely be done(if agreed upon) without much bias, but obviosuly if you think it's wrong and rewrite it, thats extremely biased probably. Anything thats drastic, like taking down a picture, replacing a picture, rewriting a category in the article from almsot entirely scratch, should all be talked about on the talk page, and if people agree a rewrite or whatever would be for the best, then by all means, improve the article. Cody2526 07:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would agree with the part about discussing all major improvements in theory. In reality, however, I've noticed that many times, in order to fix grammar, spelling, and accuracy problems, an entire section truely does need to be rewritten. I have discovered this many times on here. Unless everyone is prepared to go and check every page every day to see if someone has requested a rewrite, I don't see that being an acceptable way to deal with this. I do agree, however, that if someone is rewriting and the information has less information or is badly written in comparison, or if a picture was needlessly removed or replaced, or anything like that, then yes, that's a problem. But rewriting sections for grammar problems shouldn't count.
 * ...I wrote a lot. XD That's my opinion, though, feel free to disagree. ^^;; --Murasaki 08:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I think first we need to sort out our wikia staff problem. We can discuss rules all day... With no one to enforce them its pretty pointless. One-Winged Hawk 10:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I wish they'd clos the voting already. It says 24 hours after the 8 people on the list vote. that means we need 6 voters, and we have 5. Whoevers in charge of that, just close it, obviously the other people arn't going to be voting anytime soon. They probably don't ome to the communit yportal, or they don't see the message at the top.

Wikia... Dull to look at...
When I look at our pages... I see a boring black and white page in most cases. While its more important to get the pages set up right now, we should get a few pictures up at some point.

May I suggest that everyday everyone logs on, they put at least 1 picture up. Now there Sigmasonic X, Joekidoe and myself who visit reglaurly, thats a possible 3 pictures a day. In a week we can have 21 pictures up roughly. Thats 21 more then we have right now. One-Winged Hawk 07:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I am currently working on getting some high-quality images(without subtitles) but tere's not much I can do right now, and it's frustrating to upload sometimes due to slow page loads, people having lives while the page laods slowly, and general problems caused by uploading and it sometimes well, not uploading. Once I get a whole batch of pictures I'll upload a ton and update each page that should have them. I will be attempting to find good Full-Body(not the character) images and photoshopping them to high-res, a touch-up if you will.--Cody2526 08:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Good News! I am scanning(And in some cases Photoshopping to remove unwanted images on top) removing the backgrounds and uploading images from the One Piece: Animation Log-Book. The animators at TOEI have a ton of high quality Anime style images in there. By high-quality I mean like, compare the Movies to the Weekly Episodes. Would we rathe rhave screenshots and crop them and put them on the article page, or would we prefer a nice high-quality image from a book? I'm going with the book, the image quality is better and it's not just image taken from the Anime. Cody2526 03:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Scanning pictures don't always produce better results... I COULD go on about why because I know from scanning images what can happen to them. Basically, I prefer from the anime, even if it isn't high-quality, its something I can control. I never crop my screenshots, I have the patience to sit there until I get the right shot. Now scanning... Well sometimes you get wierd oddities crop up on an image like rainbow colours where it couldn't match the colours right, or blackness near the edge of the pages spine... And ultimately, you could end up cropping the image anyway to get it to not be lopsided. It takes longer to scan then sit there and screenshot.


 * Also, legigally by law you are only allowed to copy 5% of the pages in a book. Pictures included. Unless its out of print (are you prepared to wait 50 years?). Now one frame to represent something is no biggy, you put it up on the condition its being used for demostratation purposes and for use with free image distrabution laws...


 * Long story short, if your going to scan a book, use the bare mininum amount of images possible. Don't forget to put the ISBN code on the summery of each picture as well, you have to say where you got the images from. The screenshots we can sum up on one page: One Piece Encyclopedia:Copyrights, but a book is harder because not every book will have be copywrighted to the same set of companies (they may use several different publishers for different books). One-Winged Hawk 08:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * In theory, I'd definitely say book is probably better. I like the Color Walk pic you put up for Robin too, I much prefer the quality of that kinda thing over the generic screenshots. There might be some cases where a screenshot may be better (for example, unless CP9 is in a book like the animation one, the only color pics of them aren't good for most of them, only maybe Lucci, Kaku, and Jyabura), but on the whole, I think it's a good idea. ^_^ --Murasaki 05:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have been scanning them myself. I just used one large image to add close ups for both Buggy and Smoker, by just cutting out a portion of the image, and I extracted Laboon and put a full picture of him(without the Straw Hat image on him) all from the same Color Walk image. I will be extracting a full-body Tashigi and Zoro either tonight if I fell like it or I'll make myself do it tomorrow. It'll be easy since they don't have heavy red outlines like Arlong had. Compare Arlong's image to Robin's old one. Out of the books is definatly better. Cody2526 06:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Arabasta and the Royal Family
If I may propose something, I think it's a good idea if you'll hear me out. First I want to bring up a point. I have noticed Arabasta being spelled Alabasta. This is incorrect, and has been(so far, as I know) only used in the english Dub. Pretty sure everyone here will admit, the dub sucks. I have so far changed a few pages, wher eit's been noticed, to spell things out as Arabasta. My point? We need to keep it consistent and the gewnerally preffered and more accurate term would be Arabasta. It's been spelled both ways by Oda, but then again, he may not have been the one Romanizaing it for use on the Eternal Pose. My proof, you ask? In a recent chapter, or speicial Manga for something, they spelled Lucci as Rucci and J(y)abura as Jabra. Both considered incorrect. Sometimes Shonen Jump or maybe an assistant does it. SO ending that case, I bring you my proposition.

I think we should merge all pages about Igaram Terracotta Chaka and Pell into one page, and give a short descritpion and link to the main pages of Vivi and Cobra. It would be put on either the Arabasta Royal Family page or on simply the Royal Family page, either I am alright with, altohugh having the Arabasta in front if it is more specific. I'm sure there are multiple Royal Families we haven't heard of. It's simply the need for more high-quality pages and less stubs. Stubs qare like loose-ends, and if you combine them it ties them up into, well, "good"-ends(?) I guess. Everything is tied up and condensed. I just wanted to bring it up before I did anything like that, and got a ton of reverts and deletions and complaints. Cody2526 06:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * They're not part of the royal family, that would only be Cobra, Vivi, and... um... whatever the late queen's name was. Maybe Carue, I dunno. The others, though, are... I dunno how to categorize them, but royal family is inaccurate...
 * Wouldn't it make more sense to just have pages for all characters in arcs who aren't important enough for their own page? The Arabasta one could have all of them, as well as people like Toto-ojisan, the rebels (not Kohza, but the others), that kinda thing. Then it could just be Arabasta characters... seems much more logical to me, since we can then do it for every arc or location, getting rid of many incredibly short articles (such as Makino and Woop Slap) that aren't likely to ever get more information.
 * Just an idea. ^^ --Murasaki 07:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Actully Cody, many many many fans refers "Alabasta" long before the dub and Viz list it as Alabasta as well so the dub is not the only one to call it Alabasta. I like Alabasta better then Arabasta and there is nothing worng with Alabasta. And we really need to have each characters have their own pages so we don't need to put Alabasta royal family.

Joekido


 * From memory... The series has used both spellings... Alabast and Arabasta. But don't quote me on this because my memory stinks. I'll go through the story later. One-Winged Hawk 10:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Minor characters without enough article information should go on the Arc page. I recommended the Royal Family page, because I felt that with the 3 Generals of the army, igaram's wife, Carue, and the king and vivi getting a descritpiopn and link to their pages, it would be better since all of them are either relatives, or the direct servants of them, it would be better since they are Major CHaracters but do not have enough information to make a full page. At the least it would make a nice Index page. Cody2526 01:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Page Creation Guide/General Page Editing Suggestions
Alright, I just had some ideas about this stuff so I thought I'd offer it up here.

First, a page creation guide. This could help everybody make sure their page is really a good idea and stuff. Real basic, just sorta like:


 * 1. Make sure the page doesn't already exist under a different name. Search for different spellings, nicknames, or titles. Make use of the "all pages" list to make sure it doesn't already exist. Also check that the information isn't already listed somewhere else.


 * 2. Make sure that your information isn't better suited to a previously existing page.


 * 3. Make sure that your page is necessary and/or useful. If you have less than five sentences or so, rethink the page. Is there something you've forgotten? Is there something else you can add? If you still can't write enough to make the page longer, think if the page is really necessary. You may be interested in a page entirely about that-one-background-character-in-that-one-panel-in-Arabasta,-y'know,-the-one-with-the-funny-hat,-yeah-that-guy-there,-no,-actually,-the-one-next-to-him, but that doesn't mean anyone else is. If you still want to include the information, find somewhere to discuss it with other editors so that everyone can come to a decision on what to do.


 * 4. If you've done all of these things and your page seems to be a useful page, go ahead and start it. Just remember:
 * If the character has a nickname, mention it in the page, but don't name the page that. The page name should be the character's full name (or as much of it as we know).
 * Use the most common or widely accepted spelling of a character's name.
 * Make redirect pages from other spellings of the name, so that people can still find the page if they search with a different spelling.
 * Make sure to add as many categories to the page as fit. All characters should at least have a gender, race, and location category (the only exception is Skypieans, whose race and location categories are the same). A full list of categories can be found here.

Just something like that. Just so that people think over things before creating pages like Wanze is at the moment (I know he's worthy of a page, but his page currently consists of a quote and a run-on sentence). It also will help any new editors to know what sort of things to think about when making a page. ^^

Secondly, character suggestions. Now, I know that this isn't Wikipedia, and we're not following their rules (something I'm very glad about). But I still feel that some of their rules are appropriate, we just may want to implement them differently. At the moment, I'm thinking specifically about notability and stubs. I know that we can easily have pages for many characters that we couldn't on Wikipedia. We can get away with pages for pretty much any character with decent amounts of info, while over there they also had to be important. However, I still feel that there should be limits. Do we really need a page about, for example, Woop Slap? It's a page that is highly unlikely to ever be expanded upon. Even if we put all information known about him, we still have a very, very short page. Is that really necessary? I feel that it would be much more logical to put characters with that small of an amount of information into the arc pages themselves. Put a character list at the bottom of each arc page, with links to the character pages. If the character's info is less than, say, a normal sized paragraph, then it's inserted there instead of on its own page.

For example, Arabasta. Vivi, Cobra, Igaram, Chaka, Pell, and Kohza can all easily get their own pages. Terracotta-san, on the other hand, may be put on the Arabasta page instead, as she has hardly any info. Same with Kappa, Farafra (or whatever his name was, the guy whose hand got cut off), Matsuge (...Eyelashes, whatever you wanna call it), Toto-ojisan maybe even. I just don't quite see a point to having tons of pages with only two sentences or so on them. ^^;;

Okay, that's all for my incredibly long suggestions. XD Any comments/criticism/debates/whatever is welcome... Well, not flames or trolling. But anything else, pretty much. XD XD

--Murasaki 01:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * One thing I have a problem with, I don't think Wanze deserves a page. I generally stick with a rules of if I can't write a Paragraph(I generally say a Paragraph is 7 normal sentences minimum for a wiki, maybe 5 or 6 long ones) then it doesn't deserve it's own page. If I can write two Paragraphs, think if it's worth it, or the information may be better suited in another article. Also, when considering, it's not if you feel that it is deserving, look at the community. Would they rather have 2 sucky small articles? or perhaps 1 normal, good sized, well detailed article with the both of them. It's like if you are a farmer, 2 sick thin chickens, or one plump healthy one? The only exception is a new Arc page, which for the first few chapters may only have a couple of sentences. only exception, please read that right. I also agree strongly, that Wikipedia is trying to hard, and they cover a large area of stuff, not just One Piece. And they obviously can't let the fans do stuff, since many fans about something end up with a bit of bad info, or favor something less "appropriate" for perhaps a name or something. Like alot of fans love Bon Clay, but knowing Wikipedia the second a Wikipedian saw that, they changed it to Bon Kurei. Not the best example, but the point is there. Wikipedian rules do have a point to them. And that point? It differs but besides die-hard wikipedians that know all the rules specifically by heart, and obey them like drones, the rules are the only thing keeping people from fighting over how an article should be. We need to set up some stuff like there, but with better interpretations for One Piece. I rather like the discuss on the Talk page rules before editing something major. It helps stop people from rewriting the article for no reason, effectively restarting the improvement cycle. I propose we follow a few rules from there(provided we make changes to suit us much better)


 * Bringing in an admin or other such authority figure if there is an argument or edit war.


 * Discuss major changes. Major is anything not a quick change. for example: rewriting the entire article, rewriting a category, changing the article's name, adding something to a list or trivia. Adding any sort of partial truth without some kind of proof implying it, like giving proof Luffy was offered the Shichibukai position, which he was not, you need a place that implies it's true.


 * Most important but needs the most tweaking of all most likely, is not creating little stubs unless they will grow into a major stub. Garp would never have deserved his own page, so we would give him a small 1-2 paragraphs on the Marines page under his rank. With the recent chapters, we'd expand upon that, we'd offer more detail, probably giving him his own trivia section in his article and make it article worthy. Even if it can have an article, Garp would have fit better in the Marines area. Adding a sentence or 2 about his relation to Luffy as his grandpa doesn't make it magically long enough, it probably already could have been written long, but he now plays a major role and some sentences may deserve being re-written into long, more detailed versions on the new page.

whew that was a lot of talking(well typing actually) but I hope I got my point(s) across well enough. Cody2526 06:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This isn't even all the info I could do on Wanze. XD The CP page on Wikipedia is my page, essentially (along with the Galley-La article, an article that I wrote from scratch on Wikipedia (with hardly any edits, according to its history), which has been transferred over here in its entirety, apparently). I've rewritten it at various points, as well as being about the only person to consistently fix stupid edits made to it. So, yeah, trust me, I know what I'm talking 'bout for Wanze. Two paragraphs is very simple. ^^
 * ...And I'll have to read the other stuff you wrote later. I've got a bad sinus headache for some reason, and I couldn't concentrate on it too well, I kept getting distracted. >.< I'll respond more once I read it. ^^;; --Murasaki 07:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I want this to end
Seriously I'm fed up with what Joekido keeps doing to the Characters page so I'm opening this conversation up for everyone to express their opinion. Reason:


 * If you don't want me to add species in the character page, I'm going to make a deal with you. No, this is not a death threat(why would do that?). I would love to see Den Den Mushi, Hiking Bear Lapahn and many other species getting there own page and that animal page must be filled with links to each species I list above. You have like about Thursday at 8:00pm in November 9th to link each species in the animal page; if you failed to comply then I'm declared winner and I will add back all species back in the character page. If you manage to do that by Thursday then you won and I'll respect your choice. This is my test on you, don't fail or once I add the species back you cannot revert it or you'll break my trust. Get set. 

Test? When is wikia a test? Listen everyone, seriously, its not just Coby who has been ticked off with Joekido. I have a plan for the characters page laid out all I'm working towards getting it ready to put forth the idea so everyone can see it. I don't have time to work on the Animals page and fix it up - this I've told Joekido directly SEVERAL TIMES. I've asked him not to do anything to the characters page while I'm putting things into place. For all I know you guys might not like what I am doing, I ain't about to force something big upon everyone and I ain't doing it before I'm ready.

So, instead of spending this week preparing to put the idea in front of you guys, I've been told - do this or else. Now here is another thing:


 * 'I wish your in the same shoe I'm in because I would love to watch you stuffer the same crap you made me stuffer. 

Yes I really enjoy reverting stuff after asking Joekido many, many times not to revert. Yes I find it amusing and I'm laughing at him behind my keyboard. I love wasting time reverting when I could be creating new pages. ¬_¬'

Seriously, right now I'm being made to look like a bad guy, which makes me angry.


 * 'Angel: Hey! Don't do that! Hey don't do that! Stop that! Damn you! STOP IT! OMGBQQ your an pain in my ass! Don't get information from arlongpark.net! Don't blank page! Don't add that! OMG everybody watch him! 

Okay I've praised Joekido for many of his works, I've had to rewrite them, but I haven't ALWAYS been havign a go at him. The only times is when he silly things, keep reverting when I'm still trying to work something out and not letting me finishing... And asking him to write things in formal/neutral stance. At the start I asked everyone to keep an eye on him because I thought he was trouble, but after several good edits I soon stopped that. Now I'm back to thinking he is trouble again. Because of his recent message on my user page.

This is our argument:
 * Animals Page: I see sense in only having species on there.
 * Characters page: I see sense in only having characters there.

What Joekideo keeps doing is putting Individual animals on the animals page, in the process wiping out all the species. I wouldn't mind, but after he finishes he leaves one hell of a mess to deal with and it makes life harder. I've already stated here, I'm going to work on that - after the characters page!

In fact my order of working is:
 * Characters page
 * Animals
 * ships

After that my editing will be minor stuff, like bringing up pages to standard, you won't notice me. Joekido also keeps putting the animals species on the Characters page, when the characters page is meant for characters only.

Now I can't believe he has pursued this argument with me for this long, I'm fed up with it and want tit to end. I don't think we need arguments here like this and I think you all will agree with me. I know a lot of you as editors from wikipedia, so you know how I work, or should do and I know you guys also. I hardly notice you guys and if Joekido didn't keep picking fights with me and going off on his own thing I wouldn't be noticed also. We have a plan right? Well, I'm just going by the plan we all laid down. Whats wrong with that?

Anyway, regardless, everyone can now talk about it. I'm personally have had enough with Joekido recently. He write brilliant pages but then won't listen to reason and comes at me like that. If I'm having a go at him, its for a reason, a good reason, I'm not trying to be. All I want is to go back to being a silent editor again and not have this stupid pitiful argument going on. One-Winged Hawk 08:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Angel, you made me look like an bad guy too, you made me look bad many times and you mesage other members to keep their eyes on me. In my eyes, I see you as an hero while I see myself as villain. You refuse to leave me alone, you revert my work with discussing with me. I wanted to be an silent editor and had you not chose to follow me around and get stressed out on me I won't have this problem with you. I'm like your mirrior and your like my mirrior and I wanted to tell you for an long time: Stop treating me like a villain and back off and treat me like a human and stop reverting my work and me handle some areas.

I have my own plans and my own resource and all you just have to do is leave me alone. If you leave me alone we won't have this problem now.

You have plans for the animals, I have plans for it and I was going link them all but you revert and told me to leave it alone, you don't even bother explaining me your plan and I have great doubt in you. I was going to come in here and start editing everything and surpass Arlongpark.net yet you end up erasing my plans and set things your way. I was only trying to edit! For Christ's sake Angel LEAVE ME ALONE AND LET ME EDIT THIS FUCKING SITE!!!

25 years old adult treated like piece of caca, everywhere I go I cause problem, I'm an\ timebomb and I don't expect to get the same result here. I don't care about care about your anymore Angel, I have doubt in you and I'm tired of your stressed out nature. So shut up please, please stop treating like a villain and I'll stop treating you like one.

I agree to end this caca, you also have to do the same an accept my plans sometime, I don't always have to follow your plan. If you felt that your plan is super-important, my talk page is opened for that, don't just revert it.

The other day Cody typed Marine and redirected them, I removed and wrote an dictionary format. Cody said something in the talk page that gave an idea so I revert back to his edit and created One Piece Dictionary. Later, Cody message me saying thanks and said he'll considerate my edits in the future. You should do same Angel.

Joekido


 * Look Joekido, discuss this now with me. Lets try and work this out: Read your user page, please and lets talk. If you REALLY want to be good, help me work something out. Please. Right now, this is looking bad for both of us in front of the others and I don't want that. Lets just talk. Okay? No more edits until we've sorted out the differences between us? Right now I've got the feeling of going against a brick wall with you and I want to knock that wall down. Since both of us have now hopefully cleared the hot air, lets talk. Neither of us is acting like adults (I'm 22) when we should be, we're both doing what the other says is wrong. That much I can see. So lets not keep at it. This just isn't getting us anywhere. O.o' One-Winged Hawk 09:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Stubs
Hmm... I've taken a stance in the past against having small pages, I believe a page shouldn't be required for less then two paragraphs. But I've just tried both the animals and the ships pages - both leading to many stubs. Now I know everyone (except Joekido more or less) didn't like having the Dials page... But this is a commonplace problem I've seen in the last 3 weeks.

Every turn, you get such pages crop up. We want 1,000 good pages but no stubs.... However it seems this early in our development of wikia their almost unavoidable. Even the characters page looks like it may end up with some.

I want to ask everyone - can we relax the anti-stubness for a while while we're setting up this site. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm feeling a dreaded feeling now of stubs. One-Winged Hawk 22:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Lack of communication
Seriously. None of us are talking to each other or checking page discussions. We check our own users page discussions though. If we are going to get somewhere with this site, we need to talk on the pages, discuss things, otherwise nothing will get done. If you go to Recent changes you can see what pages have been altered and what has been written.

Please can we talk to each other... The lack of communication + discussions going on is not a good sign. This site is in the beginning stages of production, we need to be doing stuff like this. Why call it a 'community' if we are not gonna talk? One-Winged Hawk 08:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Talk about what? XD Seriously, though, I always check the recent changes page and comment on things that have come up if I have an opinion on them, but other people don't seem to do that, so it does make it difficult... but I don't know if there's much to do about it... So much just seems to happen without discussion, it makes it hard for me to feel like I should even bother starting discussions on problems/suggestions I have... --Murasaki 09:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this is half our problem. I recently started a serious discussion the characters page with similar results. Everyone is keen to start pages (I've seen that in the last 3 days) but no one wants to discuss them. I myself do the same thing also, but there isn't much to discuss right now. Everyone is going off on their own thing, not discussing what their up to. We need to break out of this circle soon. :( One-Winged Hawk 13:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've started some discussions on some things I'd noticed, hopefully people will actually respond... ^^;; --Murasaki 06:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to say what I do next because I'm tired of all of these edit wars and I don't want to get "stopped" from doing my thing. I prefer to create new pages without discussing it.

Joekido


 * I'm not against new pages... But its the going off on our own all the time that is behind a lot of the lack of discussion. But a lot of the edits wars could have been avoided, may I point out, if the problems were discussed by everyone openingly voicing their opinions in the first place Joekido. What did we achieve by talking in the end on the Characters page? We agreed that pages should be organised into 'Main, Minor, filler, etc'... Trouble is, what happened after that is the problem ("nothing" which defeated the reason for the discussion), which is sad. Reason: No one wanted to discuss how we could get it onto the page. You haven't been "stopped" from doing your own thing, but this is a community site Joekido, not "Joekido's Wikipedia site", you see my point? One-Winged Hawk 14:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm all for new pages. I think it's be nice if we had an actual discussion, on the page it belongs in. Not on our talk pages, in the Article's talk page. I'm all for new articles, we need them. Especially ones that give some good base information, and are easily expanded upon. I have committed to updating my user page with my current projects, and archiving old ones, once I finish them. I am currently trying to make a page for all the islands. Since all the islands are not one big article, we can't talk about them there. If anyone wants to ask about my project, ask on my talk page. I'll get back to you on yours. But this edit isn't me advertising my project. The community portal is for talking about what we are working on. We need to maybe pick a week, starting on Sunday and ending on Saturday. On either Saturday or Sunday, we will pick a topic for that week. So under that idea, if we pick Marines, we'll gives Marines that deserve a page, a page, and we'll improve on others that already have a page. Then we can go off and discuss what edits need to be done to Marine pages that week, give us a focus, and then if anyone doesn't feel like it that day, they can work on a page that needs a ton of work. I now it's not fully explained. I just mean, if you aren't editing say Foxy's page which lets say needs more info and to be organized differently, you can either do a Marine's page, or a minor edit on say Enel's page. If there's a community focus, it's only an encouragement to work on the topic, rather than any old page. That way it's not like we are all on one Topic, but rather in our spare time we are encouraged, for that week, to do a topic.

Wow, I'm sorry, I killed this page with my typing. Now, off my focus idea(which now that I typed it out seems rather suckier than before) I have to say, unless you are an editor, oyu arn't superior in any way to anyone else. This is aimed especially at Joekido, but is for everybody. Users of the same rank do not simply "watch" each others edits, and try to act like Police for them. They'll learn how the community works, in time. I've been suggesting using the talk pages for awhile now, and never get a response. Only time I suggested it before I was told it's too tough to check every talk page each time. I'd just like to say, if you find a discussion interesting, check the talk page of the article you like the discussion in. Make a point. If you feel you missed something, check recent changes, and perhaps you like Foxy, and want to know whats up on his Talk page. Anything besides a little punctuation, or fixing up a sentence to improve the paragraph as a whole is minor. Anything like reorganizing a Paragraph, is fine as long is it retains information, maybe gains more, and is improved. Anything larger than that definitely needs discussion. Images have talk pages too. Discuss changes there. Cody2526 03:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * ((Okay, I don't know if I've mentioned this before or not, but it's something you do that bugs me, but please don't take this personally, okay? I'm not trying to attack you, but it may come across that way, as my writing often inadvertently offends people... ^^;;))
 * I really do agree with your point in theory. People need to discuss major changes before they're done, and the talk pages are where we should do so. However, I really, strongly disagree with your definition of "major edits". Although I agree that rearranging pages, moving pages, or rewriting more than a sentence or two is a major edit... I feel that many things you define as major simply aren't major.
 * From what you've said before, I couldn't go into, say, Shanks' page and add a few sentences about the last chapter, because it counts as a "major edit". If I have to get permission to do something as simple as that, why am I even bothering being an editor here? Even on Wikipedia, which has very strict rules in many regards, I wouldn't have to do anything to add that type of information. According to your standards, I could not go to a page like... Wanze, Van Augur, or any other page with little info (there's a lot more that I've found, I've actually got a list of probably at least 100 pages that I'd found at one point that can easily have more info written so that they are no longer short articles, these are just the only two I remember off the top of my head, as I prefer sticking around character articles) and rewrite them, because it is a major edit. How is that appropriate? The page is a stub. Even if we are to allow stub pages, that does not mean that they should remain that way if they can be improved. Yet, you are essentially saying that I cannot rewrite that page without first discussing it on the talk page. How is that logical? Is our goal not to have one of the best, if not the best, One Piece resource site on the net? How are we to do that if every time somebody wants to add some info or fix up a stub we have to first get permission?
 * So, yes, we do need to discuss major pages. But, perhaps before we begin saying that, we need to define, as a community, what we feel major edits truly are, and perhaps even make a page defining these things.
 * ((Again, I apologize if any of this came across as rude to anybody, it really isn't my intention at all, I just get frustrated easily sometimes...))
 * --Murasaki 06:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You mis-understand my point. We really should set up community standards. My definition of a major edit, is anything that involves a reformat, or rewrite or anything larger. Writing new information helps and it isn't minor, but it's not something that needs to be discussed. If you write a ton of info, sloppily, like a couple paragraphs, it's not minor, but ok to go ahead for someone else to clean it up. At the point where a large portion of the article is being rewritten or reformatted, that is when you must discuss it, and people speaking their opinion of this "rewrite" will just have to think if the person who wants to do that will really make it better, or if they should agree, but want another person to do it. Cody2526 06:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, I actually don't misunderstand you at all, I'm just going exactly by what you're saying. You may mean other things, and have other standards you're going by, but from what you've said, pretty much anything is a major edit. XD That's all I'm getting at, mostly. You need to be more careful with your wording, or something, because it really comes across that way, and I highly doubt it's what you really mean.
 * I really do agree that we should set up community standards, though. ^^ --Murasaki 07:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay we're finally talking at last! :D


 * May I put an idea across about the 'standards' thing. We could have some pages with layouts for the various pages so everyone can see what the page layouts are. Its not much of an idea, but I'm just happy we're talking... Even if we are all misunderstanding each other right now. One-Winged Hawk 15:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's hard to get everyone on the same page, because at this point we all have our own ideas about how this place should turn out. Setting up some standards as to what we all expect, and how we need things done, will help us get on the same page. We need to all have a say, and keep it fair. But we can't have one person do a whole format by themselves. Maybe we should create a Community Standards page, and start discussing formats and standards on that talk page. Glad to see talk-pages finally being utilized for what they are for, even if they are mostly name-change suggestions. Cody2526 20:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

One Piece Encyclopedia namespace
Well... I was thinking about it, and was wondering if it would be possible to move our reference pages to the One Piece Encyclopedia namespace. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean the stuff where the page name would be something like "One Piece Encyclopedia:Pages to be deleted" (or whatever) as opposed to just the page name. I just think it would be a lot better that way, the pages would no longer show up if you click random page, they wouldn't show up on the all pages list anymore, but they would still be good reference and whatnot. I just feel that they would be much better suited to it, if it's possible to move them there. ^^ --Murasaki 06:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * perhaps an Administrator has the ability to turn-off random page chances for that page? If that is not possible for anybody to do, creating an index would be possible, and we'll put Minor stuff there, and then things like Pages to be deleted and Administrator Nominations and such, would have their own pages. Worst comes to Worst,t hey can all be merged into some sort of One Piece Wiki Index page that contains everything. If that happens, is it possible to set up a page to be "special" like the blue-background pages on Wikipedia? Cody2526 06:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Navibars
I don't know if this is the right time but can we have at least some navibars (those things at the bottom) for characters of the same organization and other related articles. Navigation only through categories is not exactly very easy plus its not very professional looking (at least in my opinion). So can I put up something like this at least for the pirate groups:

The color scheme is different per group referring to the color present in their jolly rogers or the color present in their captains. The top will be about the crew and the ships they ride on. The sections below will be anything else related to them like allies, abilities or what not. Note: this is only a beta version but at least this is what I'm thinking about (table making is apparently very hard).

Can we have something like this please? Other wikias have them and they would prove very useful to both editor and reader alike when browsing a 1000+ page wikia. So can we?Mugiwara Franky 06:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * PS: I know Franky hasn't said yes yet but this is just for demonstration's sake. If it gets approved, I'll fix it.Mugiwara Franky 06:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I like the idea, definitely. It makes the site far more navigatable (one thing that's been bugging me about it ever since things first started picking up), and keeps things nice and organized. ^^
 * Although, that color of yellow's a little... bright... is there a more toned down shade you could use that still fits for the crew? Other than that, I think it's a great idea. ^^ --Murasaki 06:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Any colour but burn-your-eyes-out yellow, then it will be okay with me. One-Winged Hawk 08:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I like it but the yellow is a little burn-your-eyes bright. I wear contacts too, so it doesn't help any. Maybe you should try red with blue text? Luffy wears red on his vest and straw hat, and blue for his pants. Yellow is just too bright of a color. Also:


 * Buggy: Red with Purple Text
 * White Moustache: White with Purple text(would say red by the Manji/Cross in the Anime is Purple)
 * Blackbear: Black with off-white/light grey text
 * Foxy: Purple with Orange text
 * Galley-La Company: Light bright blue with red text
 * Franky Family: Black with Red text, or substitute one of those for blue
 * Marines: White with Blue text
 * World Government: Black with white text
 * Islands: Tropical Blue, green text
 * Story arcs and Sagas: Blue with White text
 * Will of the D (characters with it): Blue with Yellow text

That about covers it, all of them fit as well as I could. Cody2526 09:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay seems approved. I'll do the pirates first. Anyway, we'll discuss colors on their talk pages when they get set up.Mugiwara Franky 21:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * May I make a suggestion? Lets put a hide/show icon on the navitables... It would make the pages less clogged with 2 or 3 tables for navigation.One-Winged Hawk 19:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a good idea however I don't know how to put the hide function. No matter how much I try, it seems like it doesn't work here in this wikia either that or I'm doing something wrong. Is there a manual somewhere or someone that can help?Mugiwara Franky 11:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Confirmation - Yes God is against us, the hide/show bar doesn't work. Well... Back to the drawing board. One-Winged Hawk 14:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I found out how hide functions can be used in this wikia as explained from | this page which can be located here along with other helpful topics. I don't exactly know how to do it but I think this would the trick.


 * You know, it would be advisable to check around other wikias to see how they're doing things. Like in here and here where they seem to be functioning well with character infoboxes despite the limited width, or even here where the width is really big. One thing about these wikias is that we can customize it to suit our needs. We shouldn't sacrifice things like professional things like infoboxes and hidden navigation boxes for reasons such as this place is too small or what. If we want to do something but can't do it here then we'll just have to modify the wikia itself to suit our needs and if we really don't know how we'll just have to ask others how they did it in the second link above. It's not that big of a problem when you think about it.Mugiwara Franky 08:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well my advice - lets discuss this over the next week and then decide if should do some mods to wikia. Its quite a big step, playing around with things we hardly know much about. One-Winged Hawk 11:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)