Talk:Vegapunk

Dr. Gero
Dr. Gero is a mad scientist who technology is years ahead of his time. Shall there be commented the similarities?

Ilovefoxes 19:55, February 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Such characters often appear in many works. We don't know enough about Vegapunk to compare him to dr. Gero or anybody else. El Chupacabra 14:40, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Screenshot from Episode 469
I cropped it a bit and can crop it a bit more if necessary, but we've got a picture of him that's pretty solid. We've got upper torso and head, even exposed skin on the cheeks, chin, forehead and ears. Lemme know if this beats the current image. We can make the assumption (beyond speculation) that it's him, in the (flashbacked) flesh, right? Bon-boy and Croco-boy 03:53, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it's probably just a random doctor. Anyway, even if it was the anime's Vegapunk, it's not in the manga, thus non-canon, so... no. We've no idea what he really looks like at the moment. Here's [link removed] the page this is the adaptation of. -- YazzyDream  04:06, October 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh damn I forgot about that bit. I should start re-reading issues of manga after their respective episodes are released, lol. Bon-boy and Croco-boy 04:14, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's what I've been doing lately. So much stuff happened in the war I've forgotten what exactly happened next. :P -- YazzyDream  07:09, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Suggestion
I think we should put Scientific Achievements under Abilities and Powers. Does anyone else agree? El-Drago-800 19:54, November 3, 2010 (UTC) El-Drago-800


 * I think it should stay separate. Achievements and an abilities are two completely different things. Bon-boy and Croco-boy 21:53, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Doctor?
Is he a doctor? Because with the category "Doctor" we mean "Medics", where was it stated that he is a medic? The word doctor can be used for other kind of scientists too... also, if he is a doctor only because he made "modifications" on Kuma, then Franky should be a doctor too...

Medics are not doctors though. Well some can be but that's pretty rare. It was stated he is a doctor so that means he is one. SeaTerror 18:49, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe this is different in English, but medics are doctors like any other university-graduated person. In the common language "doctor" is used like "medic", hence my point is that the category "doctors" in this wiki it's meant to regroup the medics, so we should either remove Vegapunk or rename it "Medics" (but always remove him).

Medics are people such as paramedics or medics that militaries use. The only way they would be doctors is if the medic in the military just happened to be a doctor before they joined. The category is fine how it is. SeaTerror 19:28, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but now I'm little confused: on wikipedia if you go to Medic you will be redirected to "physician", while Doctor redirects to a disambiguation page which include "Physician" and "Doctor (title)". Now with the category "Doctors", on this wiki, we intend people who are physician or have something to do with the medical sphere, so why Vegapunk is included? He should be included only in "Scientists".

No you won't. "Medic is a general term for a person involved in medicine, especially emergency or first-response medicine, such as an emergency medical technician, paramedic, or a military member trained in battlefield medicine." Those are not doctors. He is called a doctor so he is a doctor. SeaTerror 04:07, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, but my point is that Vegapunk is not directly involved with medicine, it's a genius scientist which has knowledge in many fields, the characters in "Doctors" are only people involved with medicine, because the category "Doctor" is used with the meaning of "physician". If we use with the generally meaning of Doctor (title) then the other scientists should be doctor too, since a scientist is also a doctor and if we consider Vegapunk a doctor because he operated Kuma's body, then Franky is also a doctor. Scientist is enough as category for him, at least until we will know more about his abilities. If you are not convinced yet, think about this: if Albert Einstein was a character in One Piece, would have been in the "Doctors" category? Since he is Dr. Albert Einstein. That way we lose the sharing feature of the characters in the category of being a "physician" and leave only the title as common feature.

He's been called doctor, just like everyone else in the category, so he should be considered a doctor. 01:03, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well if you guys said so, maybe in English is different. I just said the doctor of Vegapunk it's not the same as the doctor of chopper, hogback and the others (which is commonly misused), that's why I felt there was "an intruder" in the category.

Disapeared during Caesar's flashback
During Caesar's flashback as he was arrested by the Marines, Vegapunk appears in front of Caesar though shadowed then when Caesar was about to destroy Punk Hazard he disappears. Is it some sort of error. ChasHades (talk) 09:28, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

DF interact w/ bloodstream?
The article says that Law mentions Devil Fruits interact with the bloodstream, but there's no source listed. Does anyone know what chapter he said this in?

Tokiro7 (talk) 04:57, April 26, 2020 (UTC)

I added it. Next time you find an unconfirmed statement, you can add it yourself. Look for it on other relevant pages, this one I found on the Devil Fruit page, but I also looked at Law's. Rhavkin (talk) 05:10, April 26, 2020 (UTC)

Chapter 1061
I propose waiting for the next chapters before making any changes based on Chapter 1061. The woman did not receive an introduction box, and we have multiple conflicting statements about Vegapunk being a man, specifically an old man, from Kuma, Ryokugyu, and the grandfather on Karakuri Island. 15:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll support you on this for verification purposes and to be certain this is the right person. -Adv193 (talk) 15:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree on waiting 'till we have more information. For all we know, she is his granddaughter (with Vegapunk being a family name) or some kind of remote-controlled pacifista model. Timjer (talk) 16:23, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I would put the pic of the woman in the gallery, but saying that it is not clear whether she is Vegapunk or not. Cracker-Kun (talk) 16:09, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Atlas & York Numbering
So there is currently an inconsistency in 1062 with Atlas' numbering, CP0 labels her as Punk-05 while she wears Punk-06 on her body. I haven't seen any official clarification so far so right now I would be more inclined to go with what her clothes say over CP0's chart, though I wouldn't be overly opposed to acknowledging both evenly. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:17, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with leaving Atlas as Punk-06, her clothing seems to be more though-out that a simple diagram.AcXAcX (talk) 16:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Split
Since we know Vegapunk is actually seven people, can we really make any claim on the main article regarding Stella? We know a few thing that are obviously related to him like being an "old man", creating the Pacifista, leading the SSG, having Sentomaru as body guard, originated from Karakuri Island and worked on what Franky found there pre time skip, being in MADS and on Punk Hazard 4 years ago, which I believe is enough for a separate Stella page since "Vegapunk" seems to currently be used as a title more then a name. Rhavkin (talk) 18:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

As noted in the article, it's not really established at this point that Stella is a separate body overseeing the other six. Let's keep it the way CP0 put it: Vegapunk and the six satellites. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

So we need to edit the page in sections where it is possible it was the work of the group and not THE Vegapunk. The Vega Force for instance is under Lilith command so it shouldn't be in Vagpunk's page under scientific achievements, the Unmanned Cooking Device from 1062 which was stated to be made by Atlas, and so on. Rhavkin (talk) 21:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

About the satellite pages names, whoever made the pages made it as "Vegapun/Atlas" or "Vegapunk/Shaka". However, the manga introduces them as "Punk-01, Vegapunk Shaka", with "Vegapunk" and "Shaka" acting as a first and last name. Can we rename the pages to something more like "Punk-01/Vegapunk Shaka" and so on? (Shadoguardian (talk) 16:50, 6 November 2022 (UTC))

No because they are subpages of Vegapunk, so the title needs to start with "Vegapunk/". A title like "Punk-01/Vegapunk Shaka" would make Shaka's page a subpage of "Punk-01" which makes no sense. And "Vegapunk/Vegapunk Shaka" would be redundant. The latest chapter (1065) doesn't use the "Punk-" designation when introducing the satellites anyway. Characters just call them "Shaka", "Lilith", "Edison" etc., so the current system is fine. 17:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Satellites
We should add a table of Vegapunk's satellites instead of just a list of their names and embodiments so that we can see their faces too. Who else agrees with me? Mugiwara1994 (talk) 20:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

How about compromising and doing a regular gallery? I do think it'd be nice to have pictures of them, and it would generally avoid redundancy (or trying to stuff the other details into the table) Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

A list or a table gives more information then a gallery, mainly the PUNK number and the aspect. While it can go in a, that isn't what the note is for, and it would be messy. Rhavkin (talk) 03:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I believe that we should make it again the way you did it, Rhavkin. It was better than mine anyway. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 03:50, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * As I said in the edit summary, for reference. I would have liked it if it was a 3x2 like a gallery but is had to be without titles and overcrowded (second reference). Rhavkin (talk) 04:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * That could work too. Mugiwara1994 (talk) 14:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

The problem with the vertical tables is that they are long and narrow, thus extending the page further and leaving large blank areas all without conveying much extra information. The 3x2 is better in those regards, but it also sacrifices clarity of the other information. Sure, having pictures is nice but I think the options distract from the more relevant information in that section; it is after all a Vegapunk article, not a satellite one.

The other compromise would be to shift the top Satellites section to the Personality section and leave a simpler gallery in the A&P Satellites section. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 16:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

A list leaves just as much of blank space, or maybe more, and it is not that much shorter then the 2x3. Rhavkin (talk) 06:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * And yet... Option 3. Rhavkin (talk) 06:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

So? Do we need a poll?
 * 1) List
 * 2) Table
 * 3) Gallery
 * 2x3
 * 1x6

Rhavkin (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

How do we set up a poll? Mugiwara1994 (talk) 17:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

1x6 is too wide and gets cut off by most layouts. What about my suggestion of putting the gallery in the lower Satellites section? There it could work as a 2x3. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mugiwara1994 Poll.

@Nesha what do you mean by "gets cut off"? It takes less horizontal space compare to a paragraph. Also, I wouldn't mind having the 2x3 or a gallery, but I understood that the problem was that it takes more vertical space then the list, with the 1x6 taking less then a list, which is why it was made. Rhavkin (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I mean the gallery gets cut off; that's why the galleries are generally limited to four of five wide. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

So you mean it gets cut off when the window is to narrow to display it. Well, that happens with regular galleries as well. I haven't seen anything on the manual of style guideline regarding the aspect ratio for articles, but I know some changes have been made for mobile version. either way, it does not break any rule and it is not less favorable then a gallery, if that makes a difference. Rhavkin (talk) 19:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Thus why a 2x3 gallery would be a better option; it's less likely to get cut off for casual readers. I also offered a solution for keeping the list while still including a portrait gallery in the article, and I'm not sure why it's being ignored. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 19:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not read that as another option, just a suggestion for the page layout with the gallery. Currently there is no Satellites section in the A&P section, but I agree that with what we currently know the information about the Satellites should be in the Personality section.

As for the presentation, I don't think we need both a list and a gallery if we have several solutions to show the information in one and this discussion is on whether or not to include images at all, and if so what is the best why to do it.

I think we need a short summary:
 * We currently have a list. Mugiwara1994 Suggested a way to have a more graphic repression (mainly, include images).
 * A simple list of characters convey much less information, and leaves a blank space on the page right side.
 * A table is too long and leaves blank space on both sides of the page.
 * A gallery does not convey the same details as a list and leaves blank space on both sides of the page.
 * A table in the size of a gallery (2x3) also leaves blank space on both sides of the page and also make the page vertically longer.
 * A unique table at the same highest of the list (1x6)does not leave much blank space, but gets cuts off more frequently then a gallery on narrow windows.

I really think the list isn't the right thing for this page, and I think we are running out of options. Rhavkin (talk) 19:58, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I just got an idea! Let's make a table, and then have it be able to collapse itself so that it shouldn't take up too much room all the time. Would that work for everyone? 14:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that'll work. It wouldn't solve the space issue when uncollapsed, and the point of images is to be seen. I used the hidden tables in cases were the section is overcrowded with information that is connected to the page but adds little to it, and would be removed if given a better option.

Vegapunk's inventions are to show his field of expertise, but it would be removed the second we'll have a "List of Vegapunk inventions" page. The unnamed Heart pirates got a lengthy description and appearances and each row would be removed when the character is named.

At the time of writing this its a spoiler, but we will get the name of the Heart Pirates masked member in 1064, and obviously we won't rename rename each portrait of the rest to match the numbering. Now, I am not claiming to have known about the name reveal when I made that table, but before hand, whenever the crew appeared, had the gallery source editor open on one window in preview mode, to match what is the numbered crew member to add to their appearance.

Hidden table are my solution to pages that are longer due to lack of a better option, not to simply shorten the page, otherwise every section on every page will be collapsible like in the mobile layout. Rhavkin (talk) 03:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Inventions
Since we know there are other researchers and inventions, rather than put them all under Vegapunk, why don't we put it instead under SSG? Like a "SSG/Inventions" page? Otherwise, it looks like all the inventions are only made by Vegapunk. In fact, it's probably better if you give the inventions a whole new page, since I'm guessing, the list is growing throughout the Final Saga. Incidentally, please also include the earmuffs and new model den den mushi from Film Red under inventions.(Shadoguardian (talk) 16:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC))

Not all inventions were done as part of the SSG. A separate page is the best solution for now if any. Rhavkin (talk) 17:11, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, but not all the inventions were necessarily made solely by Vegapunk either. Also, even if they weren't done as a part of SSG, they are still being used for and by SSG and their associates, the Marines and World Government. "SSG/Inventions" is probably a better umbrella term than "Vegapunk/Invetions". Still believe that a new page would be best. This way we can expand more on the inventions. (Shadoguardian (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2022 (UTC))

All the scientific achievements on the article are credited to Vegapunk, so they can be listed on a separate page called Vegapunk's Inventions (ベガパンクの発明) This term was used by Bonney in the latest chapter. SSG has yet to be properly explained. 18:05, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Vegapunk Anime
This probably isn't true, but as we don't know when the sattellites were made...it is entirely possible that the vegapunk we see in the anime is in fact Shaka solely by his appearance XXMension04Xx (talk) 14:34, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

We do not know the main Vegapunk appearance (officially at this time of writing this comment) so it is still possibly aqurate. We'll have more information next week. Rhavkin (talk) 14:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Appearance
Vegapunk appears to heavily resemble Albert Einstein (and I am not referring only to the fact that his tongue constantly sticks out in an exaggerated manner), so should it be worth noting in the Trivia section that Vegapunk's appearance may or may not be based on Einstein? I just thought it is worth noting. Piposh D. Hezi 16:18, 13 November 2022 UTC

Vegapunk's Creations Category
Should we add the Satellites into that category? Seeing as Vegapunk indeed created them.

These Devil Fruits are making me thirsty! Piposh D. Hezi 21:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Vegapunk Satellites' differences in translations or interpretations for what their aspects mean
So Vegapunk's satellites have different interpretations of what their aspects mean, with Shaka's being more along the lines of "Logic" Because I do not understand japanese enough, I've written down what to put into Vegapunk's Translation and Dub issues section with blank areas

There are a lot of different interpretations for the translation of the aspects of the satellites. These interpretations more commonly occurring with Shaka, Edison, Atlas and York. Atlas' aspect is written as "Good", though is commonly written as "Logic" in fan translations, but can be also be interpreted as []. In chapter 1067, Shaka has the title "The Good" Lilith's is a direct translation to "Evil" and has the title "The Evil" in chapter 1067 Edison's aspect is written as "Thinker", but may also be interpreted as [] and has the title "The Thinker" in chapter 1067 Pythagoras' is a direct translation to "Wisdom" and has the title of "The Wise" in chapter 1067 Atlas' aspect is written as "Violence", though is also written as "Wrath" in some fan translations and may be interpreted as [] and has the title of "The Violent" in chapter 1067 York's aspect is written as "Greed" and may be interpreted as "Desire", as is in some fan translations, or may be interpreted as [] and has the title of "The Greedy" in chapter 1067.

If you "don't understand Japanese enough," then where are you getting these definitions? And what makes you think the wiki's current translations are inconsistent and erroneous? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 00:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Kaido/King lineage factor and MADS timeline
When the lineage factor of Kaido was extracted from Kaido and King, seems that Vegapunk wasnt working for the World Governament yet.

This extraction happend after the Rocks where disbanded(38y ago) but before Kaido started to form his crew (33y ago), as stated in chapter 962, but by information of the cover story we know MADS were active for a long time after this, as Ceasar, who was 18 at God Valley was show ageing in the covers. Kaido ate the fruit with 21y and started his crew at 26y, so in the escape of PH King had between 14y and 9y.

Is kind hard to point for certain in the timeline when the disbandment of MADS happend, but let try:

-Weevil was born 35y ago and Bakkin say Vegapunk can confirm it, so by the time MADS must still be together;

-28y ago Kaido and King (Queen isnt show) were already active pirates acording to chapter 1049, extraction was earlier than that;

-In the cover of 1074 Queen already had a apperance similar to the one he have now, so probably it takes place very close to the disbandment of MADS and he joining the Beast Pirates;

-Reiju was born 24y ago, she already had the Lineage Factor, so the discovery was earlier than that;

-23y ago Queen had already joined the Beast Pirates, as show in chapter 969;

-In chapter 840 Yonji says MADS was disbanded before the Germa siblings were born (21y ago);

-From chapter 1066 we know Vegapunk was already working for the WG (22y ago);

-Stussy started her undercover work in CP0 20y ago per chapter 1073.

All this point to MADS ending somewhere between 34y(After Weevil is born) and 25y(Before Reiju is born) ago, the only year that would fit in the pre-lineage extraction would be 34y ago, but that would make the Vegapunk that meet the Gorosei to have 31y, and the main problem is....in chapter 1066 Dragon talk with Vegapunk after Ohara, he was sick by the news that Vegapunk started to work for the governament NOW, so seems to be a recent event, but if Dragon hadnt meet Vegapunk since he started to work for the WG, that would be 13y before Ohara by this timeline, when Dragon was only 20y, and Vega would not had started to work NOW, but more than a decade ago.

Also this would make MADS to have been active for the maximum of 5y as Stussy was a former Rocks member and also a MADS founder. With Queen, Judge and Ceasar all having worked in MADS from around 17-18y to 21-22y only

So whats seems go have happend is that the WG scientists extracted Kaido and King lineage factor and stored it, we knew the WG had other scientits because of the gigantification reseach. After Vegapunk discover the lineage factor, he become too dangerous, as the WG didnt want anyone from outside it to know about the lineage factor, that seems to be a thing from the Ancient Kingdom, so they put Vgea to work for them and gave him the samples from Kaido and King they had stored.

I would put the end of MADS around the same time Roger was executed, that would be close to the meeting of Dragon and Vega in Ohara, so would fit in the NOW Dragon says, also would be before Queen joins the Beast Pirates and Reiju is Born, and close to when Stussy start to work for the CP0.