Category talk:Artists

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There may not be any users willing to accept artists as a category or a page but I have an idea for a page that will cover any occupation or title that doesn't have a page yet if there any users (even administrators) that will hear it out called Positions.--Rgilbert27 (talk) 20:21, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Too vague Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 23:40, April 24, 2018 (UTC)

All the occupations listed in the Pirates navibox would be given a link along with the titles in Royalty and provide an entry for the occupations listed in Characters by Occupation category that don't have a page yet.--Rgilbert27 (talk) 23:55, April 24, 2018 (UTC)

I'll restore it if this page is approved via discussion/polls. 00:35, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

How do you get started?--Rgilbert27 (talk) 01:05, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Start making your points here. 02:15, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Needed?
Since the last discussion barely started, i'll start it now.

An artist is a person that deal with creating and making art, and since we already have several categories of artists, there is no reason to not have a parent category for them. Rhavkin (talk) 17:40, May 29, 2020 (UTC)

"Art" is subjective and incredibly broad. "Craftsmen" is a much more objective term and can define painters like Marianne and Giolla and sculpters like Galdino, Charlotte Perospero and Diego.

Also, it makes no sense to have scientists, shipwrights, mechanics and carpenters under the denonym of "Artist". Never mind that one needs to be of a certain skill level to be considered an artist in most areas. KingCannon (talk) 17:44, May 29, 2020 (UTC)

If your only problem is including Category:Craftsmen then that should be the only thing debated, not the entire category. I know that it sometimes called "Arts and Crafts" separably, so maybe that category shouldn't be here, but characters like Diego, Perospero, and Cracker should be here, and Usopp can be in both (Don't know we Oden in that category BTW). Rhavkin (talk) 20:13, May 29, 2020 (UTC)

That's not the only problem. There's also the issue that "artist" is a vague, subjective thing and tends to be reserved to those of a certain talent (and even then, talent is subjective when it comes to art).

My argument is that "Craftsmen" makes the whole notion of an "Artist" category redundant. Mainly because another word for "Craftsmen" is "Artisan", and it can include anyone who makes things, be them machines, clothing, weapons, paintings, etc. It's a broad category, but one that utilizes an objective criteria instead of a subjective one (that is, they create/produce/repair something). By the way, we could add Cooks to this as well since their occupation requires them to make food items.

Also, for stuff like Musicians, Dancers and Actors, the term "Performers" would be much accurate to describe them since music and theatre are part of the Performing Arts, which are distinct from the Visual Arts that encompass Painters and Sculpters. An example of someone that could be put in a Performer category is Shimotsuki Yasuie.

Also, Oden is a craftsmen because he knows how to sculpt on Poneglyphs. In fact, he's the perfect reason of why an "Artist" category makes no sense, since he's a sculptor, but not an artist. KingCannon (talk) 14:18, May 30, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with KingCannon, an "Artist" category is not needed and "Craftsmen" does the job perfectly fine. Keeping "Artist" is bound to result in a discussion of whether Luffy would get the category for drawing the Foxy Pirates' Jolly Roger. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:44, May 30, 2020 (UTC)

Helping my argument further, I will just link to the Wikipedia page for Craftsman.

It's a disambiguation page, and the first thing it shows is the definition of Artisan.

"Artist" as a category doesn't add anything that other, better-defined categories already don't. KingCannon (talk) 20:43, May 30, 2020 (UTC)