Forum:Unreleased Template on Chapter Articles

Alright, we really need to settle the endless edit war Klobis and ST have every week over the use of Unreleased on chapter pages. It was already talked about at length on Talk:Chapter 758, and while there was a majority there, this still needs to be more clearly resolved.

The main argument was based on the fact that the chapter was not out in Japan yet, and did not match the release date.

On the 758 talk, User:Zodiaque proposed that we make a new parameter for the template "so that if the the "chapter" parameter is there, the line says something different."

I liked this idea, but for some reason that discussion died before anyone really agreed to add this. So some input here would be great. The last discussion of this was a pretty nasty affair of people going back and forth insulting each other (thanks, Gal!), so let's work extra-hard to keep this on-topic. You can be for or against using the template as it is currently on pages, or for using the altered version Zodiaque provided, so please state your opinion on this in your post. Thanks. 05:22, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
"This article is in reference to a chapter that has yet to be released."

That's why the template is wrong to use. Once it is out regardless if it's leaked then it counts as released since this is an English wiki. That's how we always have done it. Plus people who never commented on that talk page have removed it before. If anything it should revert to the original version before an edit war like we actually already do even if it isn't a rule (except on images). Plus if you're going by a majority then there was no majority since it was actually incredibly close. SeaTerror (talk) 09:31, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Klobis, but I think the text in the template should be more clear like: "This article is in reference to a chapter that has yet to be released in Japan." 12:45, February 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, "This article is about to a chapter that has yet to be released in Japan." seems like the best option to me. ("in reference to" is needlessly complex). 14:14, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

This is the English wiki not the Japanese One Piece wiki. SeaTerror (talk) 18:23, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

So you want people to add speculation based on the ever so high quality translations of mangapanda and mangastream?

The point of the template is keep people from adding garbage edits to the page, what is so wrong with that? 18:35, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

They wouldn't be adding anything like that since it wouldn't exist. Any mistakes also get fixed right away. SeaTerror (talk) 18:38, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, people add shit to the pages anyway, but if this gives a chance of reducing that then it's got to be worth having. It's not like it takes a huge amount of effort to add or remove this.

22:44, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Even if mistakes get fixed right away, it would be better to prevent them from happening in the first place. 23:18, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

This template won't reduce anything. That was actually an argument on the forum about keeping the template in general and if anything it was proved that vandalism would happen anyway. Nothing was reduced even with it on it. The entire point with manga chapters is it doesn't belong on them since it counts as released even if they are leaked. If you want to go that far then make it a rule that we can't add any information until it is officially released. SeaTerror (talk) 23:48, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Having it might also serve to help readers by telling them the information on that chapter might not be 100% accurate. Remember the chapter where Admiral Maynard ordered his men to spread chaos? Mangapanda and Mangastream have awful translations and we should at least give a warning to avoid confusing readers. Besides, having it doesn't do any harm. 00:19, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

You got a point there, since the RAW has yet to be released, we can't determine anything precise based on scanlations. 00:29, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

So let me re-write this again to update it to more about what we are talking about:

How does that look/sound? 00:36, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

I already told what harm it does. It gives out false information stating that the chapter isn't released since this is the English wiki. Also that new line won't work since the top line is what appears on everything on that template. You can't edit it without changing the entire thing. SeaTerror (talk) 00:47, February 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're talking about in that second part, this template has not been edited to include any of this stuff. This is all just example code. 00:51, February 15, 2015 (UTC

"This article is in reference to a chapter that has yet to be released." That's the default message for the template in general. You cannot edit that part without changing it for everything else. SeaTerror (talk) 00:56, February 15, 2015 (UTC)