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Face Issue
Let's discuss this here. MasterDeva (talk) 07:07, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, while it is acceptable to have a lacking full-body shot in the infobox, and a detailed face picture in the gallery, I don't think that's the best option here. The original image is just way too LQ. The snowflakes are too big and they obscure her, and Luffy bowing in the front is another distraction. In the new version, we lose a it of her full-body shot, but we can still see most of her body. Her face, while not a shot of her normal expression, is still a shot of an expression that is fairly close to normal. Neither image is prefect, but to me the old one is just way too low quality to be an acceptable profile image. 17:13, December 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for answering with actual arguments JustSomeDude, I'll try to answer all the points you made. Well let's start with what would be preferable as an infobox image. According to our Image Guidelines, an image of a full body pose is preferable and the only exception to that is when no full image existed at all. Furthermore, the character's full body pose in the image must not distort the character's features regardless of quality.


 * I agree that the full-body image image taken from episode 80 isn't very good because her face isn't drawn very well but pay closer attention to the one captured from episode 81. Her face is better drawn and recognisable, plus Luffy's distraction is missing, and even though snowflakes are present nothing of significance is actually obstructed. We can actually see the whole body of Maria and the only thing that does stand out is Vivi's presence, however the image from the movie suffers from this too. What's left to discuss is the face issue which is really the problem. In the movie version Maria's face is drawn with eyes of uneven size and weird expression that gives the wrong impression of her. Something not present in the manga or anime tv series but found uniquely in the movie remake of the Drum Island Arc.


 * Actually an example of a similar problem and solution can be found for Edward Newgate's infobox image when Whitebeard's appearance was animated for the Marineford Arc. I solved the issue then by replacing the flawed version with a better drawn one and placing a full-body image in the appearance section for reference. That worked perfectly well then and it still works to this day. We could just as easily apply a similar solution to for Maria's infobox image, by placing the full-body shot in the infobox and having a detailed version of her face in the appearance section. MasterDeva (talk) 21:37, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the full body is an issue here, you can split the two version in two different files and add the first version in the appearance section, as long the full body is added on the page there shouldn't be any issue. Unfortunately, though the second one has an "higher quality", I believe is overall worse, since it was taken from the movie which has that horrible cartoon/3d like effect.


 * Yeah the main problem isn't the full-body issue but that "off" expression on Maria's face. I don't even know what words to use when describing it. We could still keep the image version if we added it in a gallery section but certainly not in the infobox. MasterDeva (talk) 22:42, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

The original image is LQ and therefore does not belong in the infobox. This is in the image guidelines for christs sake. 22:58, December 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually what's written in the guidelines is this, "The character's full body pose in the image must not distort the character's features regardless of quality." Let me give you an advice Galaxy9000. When you are talking about something be specific and don't rely solely on blanket terms like "LQ" to make an argument, otherwise we're not having a discussion anymore. MasterDeva (talk) 23:07, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

That's nice. Your full body image distorts the characters features pretty well. You cannot see her behind the snow, and it's blurry and very pixelated. This is not the type of image for the infobox. 23:08, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

As terrible as both images are, how about you guys just try finding a higher quality version of MasterDeva's, or a better shot of Galaxy's? Galaxy's would be better if not for the face-fault. That alone makes it an inferior image. You can find high quality versions of old episodes; even FUNimation's DVDs give it HD, and those aren't very difficult to get. Instead of going back-and-forth on two images, just find a new one or drop it. In the case of these two, though, I'm going with MasterDeva's. 23:23, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

To the Image.

There. Best image possible. Imageshack made it a bit pixely, but the image I have is clear. 23:34, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

I put the image in a link so the talk page is eaiser to look at.


 * I can still see the same flaw with her face as I've described already above. The problem is not pixelation in this case but faulty drawing, which no amount of pixels can fix. I agree that the version from episode 80 isn't very good but the one from episode 81 is good enough to use. As for your claim regarding the snow, I find it false. Maria IS visible in both images and I can't seem to notice any pixelation but it is a little blurry and I can't do anything about that. If anyone has those two episodes in DVD quality feel free to upload them. Unfortunately I can't help with that. MasterDeva (talk) 23:59, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Anyways, it's better than your previous one. But a high-quality version of MasterDeva's can compete. For now, I'm going with Galaxy's. 23:44, December 10, 2012 (UTC)