Forum:Yamato Gender

Recently the higher ups decided to list Yamato as transgender on very sketchy and flimsy reasons and ignore anyone givng valid evidence against it regardless of how valid it is. Yamato has been listed as female in the Vivre Card, The Women of One Piece promo, and The Road To Laugh Tale Part 3 manga chapter. People have been ingnoring these facts thinking they know better than Oda, the guy wrote this series. It really reeks of LGBT pandering towards whiners who most likely have never even heard One Piece before her introduction and don't understand than Japan has a different way of writing pronouns and that can get a bit muddled it translation. So stop bending the knee too people don't even like One Piece or understand Japanese culture, for many like me this is a go to site for One Piece information and it should be written professionally and accurately instead of catering to activists and trying to win brownie points with them.Ssj4vegetto (talk) 03:42, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

All the sources you list are considered secondary to the primary source, which is the manga. And in there, Yamato is described with male pronouns.

The translation is also not inaccurate. We too consult translators, unless you know Japanese more than them. Every discussion on this subject has been documented in the character's talk page and you're free to consult it. KingCannon (talk) 15:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Everyday I see more and more people saying the Vivre Cards aren't canon, the databooks aren't canon, etc, The problem I have with this is that if it supported their narrative, then it'd 100% be canon in their book. If by chance, the Vivre Cards stated that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk or that the Yonkos are stronger than admirals, I can guarantee that it would be used everyday as evidence, and you can't convince me otherwise. So I'm going to debunk the common arguments used to dismiss the Vivre Cards.

1. "Oda doesn't supervise them, they aren't canon and shouldn't be used as evidence"

Let's get into this, this is blatantly wrong and if you did any type of research you would know that both the databooks and the vivre cards are canon.

"Kappei: Hey!, Professor Oda is serious. Is there any information for the first time? Naito: There are quite a lot of blood types and birthplaces! I also posted a rough sketch of Mr. Oda's settings. The information is disclosed at the very limit of the line (laughs). Kappei: Is that all supervised by Professor Oda? Naito: Yes. All the ones scheduled to be published in the future will be supervised by Mr. Oda. (We plan to publish a total of 32 sheets, 2 sets a month for each set of 16 sheets)"

A public interview between Kappei and Naito(One Piece Editor) shows that Oda personally supervises the Vivre Cards, they are 100% canon unless you're trying to go against the author's words now that we know Oda supervises it. That's not all, actually! Not only does Oda supervise it, He also writes in it, he checks every character in the vivre card, adds missing information, etc, so there's more proof that it's canon, unless you're trying to say that Oda personally supervising and writing in it still isn't canon, which is just arguing to argue at this point, because Oda is the literal author of One Piece, let's not be biased here. Oda even states that SBS and bonus materials should be used for extra information

Now time for the next argument.

"The Vivre Cards has had mistakes before, therefore it's not a trusted source"

Sure, this argument would work if the Vivre Cards didn't have an entire page dedicated to fixing mistakes Now that we know that Oda writes in the Vivre Cards and supervises it, and we also know that all mistakes get frequently fixed, there's honestly no reason to not believe it's canon other than it not fitting your headcanon for some debate. Let's not forget the mistakes that the manga itself has made like Katakuri's "Logia" fruit, should we never trust it again? Even though it's written and supervised by Oda just like the Vivre Cards?

"B-but it contradicts the story!"

Are you sure it contradicts the story, or does it contradict an assumption you made about the story? Seperate headcanon from canon, but in the case that it actually contradicts the story I'll address that also. This is simply a retcon, which has happened before in the manga Example being Pell’s statement about there only being 5 flying DF’s which is debunked by: Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Falcon, Lafittes fruit, Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Phoenix, Mushi Mushi no Mi, Model: Suzumebachi, Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Pteranodon, and Karasu’s fruit,

A total of 7(And more if you include indirect flying fruits)

Retcon: "(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency. That is the definition of a retcon, The vivre cards having information that contradicts past statements in the manga doesn't make it not canon, As I stated above, this information is supplied by Oda, Oda supervises it, if it's a mistake it gets revised, and Oda also writes in it, Oda isn't a perfect author and he's made several retcons before.

Vivre Cards are 100% canon, let's stop with the biased arguments, Until Oda says that they aren't a valid source of information anymore, they are and always will be canon information, whether you like it or not. Ssj4vegetto (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

All these points have been brought up and addressed on the talk page. Making a forum circumventing it to rehash these arguments is not a productive use of anyone's time. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:12, 24 July 2022 (UTC)