User talk:Rgilbert27/Archive 9

Re:Crossovers
Hey Rgilbert! Not sure which crossovers you're talking about, since most of the ones in this category have all of the crossover franchises' info included. I know you've mentioned J-WORLD Tokyo to me in the past, but users from other wikis are more than welcome to use the same sources I did on their sites. I'm not particularly inclined to do so when I have plenty of work to do here. If you mean something else, let me know. Thanks! 03:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:Everyday
It doesn't because it isn't a video game. It is just an app. I put the template on the page while I decide what is an adequate solution. 01:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Stop Please
I've reread several arcs in order to clean up and organize articles. One Piece is a gigantic work and many times I've had to go back and forth between articles and the manga to confirm and fix things. It's a very complicated job and I cannot be expected to remember every page or have the time to check on it, but I know what I write. I do not insert fake info and have a good history of contributions.

Your edits are not productive, they're obstructive and arbitrary. You completely ignore the rest of the article just to have specific pieces of info requiring confirmation. You're just getting in the way and adding nothing of importance. After all, what's the point of citation needed when the vast majority of old articles don't have references or are stubs? Plus, you keep trying to act like an armchair mod despite having no power and being banned multiple times.

I'm just asking to not get so bullish on citations. Please, understand that I'm not an omniscient reader.KingCannon (talk) 01:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Similar to the aforementioned edit war (which will not go notice if your ban forum is reopened), I reviewed the Swordsman Infobox exchange and it looks pretty rude when you respond to a newer user's comment with "Wrong." when you are in fact the one who is incorrect. Maybe that was not your intention, but it comes off as disagreeable. 00:00, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:New Pages
I'm not aware of a Dream page existing in the past, and I don't think it's article-worthy. Pirate King could be considered at some point, but it seems sufficiently covered on the Pirate article right now. I believe I've already opposed the creation of a History subpage for the Straw Hat Pirates because the story arcs are their history. 09:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

There are no records of a page titled "Dreams". The Straw Hat Pirates are in fact the focus of the story, meaning the history would just be retelling the arc summaries except removing the context provided by other characters. That's why they have the subpage Actions and Locations Visited instead of a conventional history page. And that's how it should be. 10:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Re:Jail Island Pages
I am not generally opposed to the creation of pages for the Jail Island towns/prisons, but I do expect for you to fill out the necessary sections if you wish to create them and not just leave them as stubs. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:01, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Gallery Status Symbols
Please do not edit the gallery templates *just* to capitalize the status template names, as that makes no change to the templates and spams wiki activity. For the most part you have made other edits to the templates in addition to the capitalization, so there's no issue with that; I just wanted to make this clear after seeing a few edits that only had capitalization changes. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 01:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Again, please do not edit galleries just to capitalize templates. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:29, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Biography
Did you ask anyone about changing Past to Biography before you started? Not trying to police your edits, but I don't agree with the change. 17:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding the subheading to one-section Histories is unnecessary. It doesn't aid in navigating articles and simply lengthens the TOC. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Re: Gender
other then Kiku and Yamato, every character was either male, female, or okama. A category for two page is not allowed. Rhavkin (talk) 06:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Dellinger gender was never in question. He only wears heels. And okama is already a category. Rhavkin (talk) 08:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

TBH, I think this will cause more problems than solve any. Dellinger aside, Yamato has been addressed as female by Oda alone, not by any character after talking to Yamato, and Kiku identify as a female but speak about herself in male pronouns. It seems to me both character aren't non binary, Kiku stating to be a women at heart and Yamato keep referring to themselves as male, and both are referred to as such by their peers, seems like more of a readers discussion then categorizing characters. Rhavkin (talk) 18:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Jail Island Town Pages
I have turned the pages for the Jail Island towns and villages into redirects and moved their information back to the Jail Island page. As I said earlier, I do not oppose the creation of those pages in general. However, aside from adding a couple small location sections and creating residents galleries, you did not add hardly anything to those pages other than copy-pasting the brief location descriptions that I had wrote, leaving some description sections empty, and leaving all History sections empty. Additionally, you left the location sections on the Jail Island page completely blank save for a link to the articles. None of that is acceptable. And I can understand pages being a work in progress, but you created these pages over a month ago and then did not touch them again after that. If you wish to revive these pages in the future, you must take the time to make them more complete, and do not remove content from the Jail Island page (in other articles for islands with locations that have their own pages, we still have descriptions of those locations on the island page). Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:41, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Vivre Card
You could go to AP forums thread or any forum like that and look for anyone who uploaded the files (like Redon) and ask them. This is what I found, but I did not check its quality. Rhavkin (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Origin
Keep in mind that we already have a listing for "Residence". If a character's current residence is the same as where they were born, there is no need to list it twice. 16:27, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Your New User Pages
The user pages you are currently in the process of making are currently in the Main namespace; they need to be in the User namespace. Please fix this ASAP. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Re:Categories
First, you're supposed to contact an admin or mod before creating and adding new categories to several pages. It does not appear that you did so.

Second, creating whole new categories to exclude one or two characters is a bad use of categories. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Neither point addresses what I brought up as issues with those categories. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Re:Splitting pages
I think you've misunderstood something. Appearances meant the "Appearance" section. 15:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Categories
I am not sure why we are having this issue considering how long you have been here and how involved you have been in category edits, but the rules are very clear: all subcategories must have no fewer than five pages. So I'm not quite understanding of why you have created multiple categories for subgroups which have fewer than five members.

Other things:
 * For subgroup names which aren't exclusively indicative of a single group, the group's name needs to be included as well in order to prevent confusion; e.g. Category:Administration needs to be Category:Buggy's Delivery Administration, Category:Army Commanders needs to be Category:Revolutionary Army Commanders, and so on.
 * And obviously, I hope you are actually going to add pages to these newly created categories, lest they all be deleted.

Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Of course, just a reminder not to leave those categories high and dry.

And if you want that exception to happen you're gonna have to go to forum. Personally I don't see a point, it's not usually like the parent categories are so overflowing with pages that we need to categorize subgroups with a couple of people. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Again, if a subgroup name is not clearly indicative of the larger group, the group's name needs to be included as well. "Elite Officer" might have only been used with the Donquixote Pirates as of now, but it's not indicative on its own and could easily be used again elsewhere. And don't get me started on "Administration". Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:56, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

More Unproductive Edits
Again, changing capitalization of coding (e.g. status, qref) is frivolous by itself, as it isn't correcting any mistake and doesn't contribute to the article in any meaningful way. If you're not making a substantial edit, then don't make the edit. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Re:Former Sun Pirates
Yeah, I counted him; there are four pages (Aladine, Praline, Tiger, Wadatsumi) in that category now, so it's too few for a split. No, adding a subcategory doesn't count toward the page number. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 00:38, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Re:Merfolk
You're supposed to ask an admin before performing large scale recategorizations. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, there aren't enough for this split because you plan to leave the main category (Merfolk) empty. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Can you rephrase that question? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 18:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Gallery Pirate Templates Category
I will handle the rest of the templates with my bot, so the activity log doesn't get flooded. Thanks, Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Your Edits
When making large quantities of minor edits, please mark them as minor so that they can be filtered out of Recent Changes if necessary. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

The editor has a checkbox you can click that says "This is a minor edit". Alternatively, you can go to My Preferences, the Editing tab, and under Editor check the box that says "Mark all edits minor by default" before starting. Though edits that only consist of adding a single digit like that should ideally be done with a bot. 21:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Your projects tend to be somewhat controversial, so I think it's best if you request someone else to run a bot. On that note, I finished the rest of these edits just now with KageBot. 22:42, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean? Isn't that what these edits already accomplish? 09:25, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

All of those should be properly sorted now, though it might take time to update. This only required embedding Template:Sort to the Chapter Box and Episode Box templates.
 * PS I do not have the volume in my possession, so I do not know how they handled the color spread.

13:22, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Re:Building
Can you give me a source for the word section being written on parts of the institute? I didn't see that, but I also wasn't looking for it. 棟/Tou means Building, "section" seems like a very awkward translation of it. I checked the official translations and VIZ calls them "Structure A", etc. and Funimation calls them "Building A", etc. But again if the word section is written on the walls or something somewhere then I'm fine with changing it back. DewClamChum (talk) 03:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'm 100% sure neither VIZ nor Funimation use "Section A, B," etc. in the actual dialogue. I would be against using Section unless it's written in English text somewhere in the original Japanese, otherwise I don't think it's a good translation of 棟. DewClamChum (talk) 07:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Ecosystems are
Ecosystems refer to interacting communities of organisms and the non-living environment they inhabit. That's why "system" is there.

The fact is that it's really broad and being misused by you on top of it. Ecosystems is not just about places with lots of fauna and flora. That literally can apply to many locations, especially those with any form of animal or vegetable life, in which most places in One Piece count.

We do no need such a category because, at least in the way you implemented it, is incredibly subjective. For example, Kuri or any other region of Wano Country could be considered an ecosystem with roaming animals hunting each other, even if it's been ruined by human action. Zou is a whole ecosystem that exists on a giant organism. Dressrosa could be considered an ecosystem due to its myriad of flower fields or the fighting fishes living off the coast that the Dwarves hunt. Even Totto Land is an ecosystem, since it has animals like ants who feed on the frozen juice sea at night.

Virtually anywhere with signicant animal-environment interaction could be considered an ecosystem. That's why it's a pointless category and you can't just decide what's an ecosystem or not.KingCannon (talk) 13:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Images Request
For what reasons? The Sekiteiun page does not need illustrations since we have images of the actual thing, two of which show the Going Merry, so the comparison is seen.

As for Robin (Oran and Roji's) house, the scene from 275 show it in a yellow tint, despite the house being white and blue as seen later in the episode. A better yet not full depiction of the house can be seen in episode 276, but since it looked exactly like all the other houses on Ohara, there really isn't a reason to add it other then its inhabitants, which is A - Not a good enough reason to add it as a landmark on the Ohara page (I assume that is where you want to place the image since it wouldn't fit anywhere else), and B - Doesn't have enough content to write about since we only saw the main room in one flashback. So again, why add those images? Rhavkin (talk) 21:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Image Category Edits
Hey Robert, did you talk to anyone about your image category edits before you made them? It is a pretty significant undertaking, and I disagree with it from an organizational standpoint. Would love to discuss these things with the wider community before we have every manga images sorted under the letter V on the category page. Personally, I don't care if they're in order of appearance/chapter because that isn't the point of the category. If I want to find an image, I'll look it up alphabetically, but that is not possible with your proposed edits. I understand the intention, but with how category pages work, I don't think it makes the most sense. 17:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand what projects you're referring to. I know people are bad about image categories and sources, but that is something we OP Wiki staff are well aware of. The best way to solve that problem is to 1) remind people that don't add categories that they are violating our image guidelines and 2) fix it by adding categories and sources. You could do either if you want. That is more productive than telling Kage that other users aren't adding categories because we already know that. Worst case scenario, we add Template:No Source when we can't find a source.

If you ask me, it doesn't matter how many images are from each volume, and if you really want to know that, why not just make categories by volume as you did with the anime seasons? (I also find this unnecessarily complicated, but that is another conversation) What matters is if I as a user can find an image easily. If I'm on the category page, I'll want to see it alphabetically instead of scrolling through hundreds of photos and trying to remember what comes first chronologically.

I appreciate the intention to categorize pages and images properly, but I think the big issue we collectively keep having is that the way categories have worked so far makes sense for people like me who make significant content edits. Rather than decide on your own to change our system of how the categories work or how they are ordered, please follow procedure and make a forum. I promise that I will comment on it. 02:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Dude I'm gonna be straight with you: the order of categories on a page does not matter at all. The way you are changing the order of files in a category are cumbersome and inefficient. You are clogging the recent edits feed with an idea that doesn't make sense when categories are always sorted alphabetically. Please stop this stuff now and make a forum about your proposed changes. 04:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

In my ignorance I only just learned I can sort out minor edits... apologies for that. I also didn't realize you had a discussion going. I'd love to check it out if you could link me. When this kind of this is being discussed on a talk page or forum, it is customary to hold off on the discussed edits, but since I no filter out minor edits, the recent activity feed is not an issue. 17:19, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I took a look and left my thoughts on the Infobox category order discussion you started. I have no issue with that, and if there was a specific order to them before on the Page Layouts example, fine by me.

I still have an issue with adding "Volume XXX" to categories on file pages, so please start a talk page discussion about that as well before you proceed. As you will see on the Volume Chapter Images talk page, I am not the only user who thinks you should make a forum before deciding to change our categorization system on your own. This is a community site, therefore, other members of the editing community should have input before significant changes are made. That makes sense, right? I know I make pretty big edits often, but I follow the process. If I want to make a big change, like adding video game sections, combining plants into a single page, or proposing page layouts for stubs, I make a forum. People liked those ideas, and now they are standardized. Other forums I've started haven't had the same success, like making sure new chapter references always include page numbers. I even had a forum go for a loooong time and come to a positive conclusion, but it was never executed upon and died (largely on me, but still).

If categories work fine as is, changing them should be something we all decide to do together. If we collectively decide that your new ideas would work better, we can implement them. If not, that's just the way this all works. I know it can be frustrating to have an idea shot down, but if we can all have a civil discussion, you can make your case. 16:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Did you consult anyone about this most recent project? And why start a new one when past ones are still incomplete or unresolved? Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

That doesn't answer either question, nor does it address why you are ignoring category rules.

Additionally, removing spacing that doesn't effect visual display is an example of a frivolous edit that shouldn't be done as its own edit, even under a minor edit tag. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)