User blog:AYET/Against logia

What are the ways to counter a logia user? Now, Kinemon's recently revealed technique was said to be able to cut fire (an intangible matter). Does it mean that technique can counter (at least) fire logia?
 * submerge in still / sea water
 * Kairoseki
 * elemental weakness (moisture for Croc, rubber for Enel)
 * elemental superiority (magna to fire)
 * bushoshoku haki

Also, Jinbe's technique which was able to hurt Luffy by using "all the water within his vicinity including the water in a person's body", can that ability also be used against a logia? Was it ever revealed whether if this was what he used to fight Ace back then? Lets discuss