User talk:Rhavkin

BackToTopButton
What do you mean with incorporate? As "add it to the wiki global scripts"? If you are asking if it can be done, then yes, as you can see on the script page, it can be used sitewide. So if you want to request it, talk to the admins and if they agree, one of them can add it to MediaWiki:ImportJS. Simply add the line  to the list of imports.

Single users can add it to their personal global JS. If you want to make it available for everybody, even the casual readers, then we simply add it to MediaWiki:ImportJS. I was inactive for a very long time, so I'm no position to tell you if any decision/discussion was taken about it. If you get the ok from the admins, I can add it if they don't do that themselves. So best to ask them first, I guess.

I saw the admins gave their ok, therefore I went ahead and added it.

Oh, actually I forgot we were missing someone, but since it's still a majority I guess it's fine. By the "modern button" you mean the variant noted on the script page?

re:js
I have no objection. 09:01, March 14, 2020 (UTC)

I guess it's fine. 13:47, March 14, 2020 (UTC)

Re:js
I have no problem with it. Go ahead. 23:00, March 15, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Jibuemon

 * 1) I don't know exactly what or just the chapters he's appeared in. That is why we need an Appearances section.
 * 2) A couple of panels doesn't make him the leader.

Rgilbert27 (talk) 13:17, March 23, 2020 (UTC)


 * 1) "Said"? You think References covers "all" cameos, mentions or images only? I don't think so.
 * 2) Weak sauce.

Rgilbert27 (talk) 14:51, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

Doringo
Hey Rhavkin! Thanks for catching Doringo's appearance in Chapter 0, I must have missed it when I wrote the page. I wanted to ask, why do you keep removing the reference that cites which pages he appears in Chapter 967? It can be a separate reference from the Laugh Tale one because they cite different information. I'd prefer to work this out here instead of having an edit war and taking it to Doringo's talk page. 00:19, April 3, 2020 (UTC)

Though I like the idea of utilizing different sections of his page, I'm not sure of either specific change given the fact that almost the entire crew was goofing around in the hot springs and that assuming he is a key member of the crew for seekng the Poneglyph is a little assumptive.

My philosophy when writing pages for minor characters is to use that specific level of detail to differentiate them from other characters. The Roger Pirates' pages were already being copy-pasted, which is an issue, so I included those little details like the Poneglyph and hot spring to show when Doringo actually appeared in the manga. Without that detail, we would have roughly 20 identical pages, not including their Appearance and Weapons sections.

It may not be relevant to the overall plot of One Piece, but the small details help us and others find where these characters actually appear. The same problem has happened before (like with the Whitebeard Pirates' allies), and users like Nightmare and I are trying to fix that way after the fact. If I can stop blanket copy-pasting that lacks detail now, I am saving more work down the line. 12:08, April 3, 2020 (UTC)

I think your most recent change to the reference, where you include the page numbers and mention Doringo by name in the reference but keep it generally focused on Laugh Tale, is the best version. Thank you! I think using the page numbers characters appear on with more general references is a good combination, and I'm not worried that adding page references will confuse readers. If we have too many references that conflict, that certainly will, which is why I like how you struck a balance so much.

I agree that copy-pasting is valid in some uses. On the Roger Pirates' pages, we can definitely reuse descriptions of significant events that pertain to the entire group, like them all dropping off Roger and Oden and disbanding. I am wary of copying entire history sections, but I think that we can both agree that doing so is not productive. 17:35, April 3, 2020 (UTC)

977
Why did you reverse the edits? Those two are chapter notes and as important as the 4 above. Vision34 (talk) 12:45, April 10, 2020 (UTC)vision34Vision34 (talk) 12:45, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

Killer Infobox Img
It's not a major development or revelation so I don't really care enough to revert it, but wait until the chapter is officially released first. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:49, April 12, 2020 (UTC)

Miss Goldenweek
Any other pages that are less than 100 bytes you want to delete or move today? Rgilbert27 (talk) 06:05, April 14, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Devil Fruit
i think its needed to write the unnamed devil fruit so people know about that and if people forget bout that, they can look at this section. the purpose of this wiki is to provide information as much as possible. Willy yeremi (talk) 12:25, April 19, 2020 (UTC)

Hungry Days
You may not like it but I found something beside those commercials on why there should be a page as much as I felt when I saw Reborn and when get around to it I hope you'll at least give some help. Rgilbert27 (talk) 21:29, April 20, 2020 (UTC)

Fukage and Bishamon
That's more of a discussion for Bishamon's talk page. Majority supported deletion, so the page was deleted (talk page still exists, under the deleted article talk pages category) Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 06:24, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

Luffy Relationship Split
I understand why you want to split the pages further, but it isn't resolving the template issue. It also doesn't solve the root problem: the page is in need of drastic cuts and revisions. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 17:11, April 27, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Dory
Huh? Redirects have always been used for searching. And unless they changed the rule during the time I stopped editing for like 5 years, we have always prioritized using actual links over redirects within articles. For example instead of saying "Luffy punched Crocodile", we say "Luffy punched Crocodile". Unless that rule has changed, redirects wouldn't belong on articled anyways.

Besides that, why remove it anyways? It doesn't take up space, and the only thing it can really be used for is if someone searches the name to find out who it refers to. It has a practical, helpful use. Might be slightly confusing for anyone searching for Dorry, but that's what the {for} template is for. 03:57, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Redirects
When I search the terms it redirects to the correct place. There's a wiki preference users can select that will take them directly to the page by hitting enter rather than the search page. I would consider it worthwhile, even if not everyone has that preference, to keep around redirects to aid in searching. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 04:16, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by the dropdown thing. The only instance I've found where both a redirect and the real page show up in the link dropdown is Absa. I haven't found it for any other redirect, including Naomi, Luffy, Big Mom, Whitebeard, etc.

Also, is it a bad thing to have more redirects than pages? I am fine with removing redirects that no one will use for searching or linking, but I don't see the harm in having redirects that can be useful to search. If the Nightmare Luffy redirect is deleted, you wouldn't even get a dropdown from the search bar to go to the Gomu Gomu Techniques page. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 05:15, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

Hey, not much for redirects either. They can become old, forgotten and just lead to other redirects. Which is why I would choose a pipe-link if I can til new pages/sections are made. Rgilbert27 (talk) 06:56, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

Hey Rhavkin. If you are going to keep marking Redirects for deletion en masse, you should make a forum about it. Important redirects like Dorry and Komaking should never have been deleted. 17:08, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

I know you aren't marking all of them. But like I said, some of them are important and have no reason to be deleted. 19:31, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "authorized." To my knowledge, we don't have any policies in the wiki guide saying that we need to authorize redirects. 21:11, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

I don't want to argue, Rhavkin, but sending me the link to the category does not explain the authorization process or any "policy" we may have. Like I said before, given the fact that important redirects were deleted, stop marking "unauthorized" ones and instead open a forum about reorganizing ones that aren't in that category. 11:38, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

re:Bad Links
Hi, thanks for updating me. I've cleared out the reds now. 00:44, May 1, 2020 (UTC)

Cleared the images and created pages. However, I looked through my archived talk pages at least 3 times and can't find those red links. If you want, would you please find them for me? I've unlocked those pages.

As for blog posts and comments, most likely you need an admin or higher to edit those. 01:35, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

Re:910
The procedure for edit wars is to leave the page the way it was before the edit war occurred. You made an edit, ST disputed it, thus I reverted the page to the original version.

I personally did not have a problem with your edit, and would not have disputed it myself. I am simply enforcing edit war rules. Now, the reason ST disputed your edit was because of a decision made by this forum from five years ago. Now, that forum was mainly made in light of certain editors at that time who were obsessive with changing links and spamming activity/causing disruptions over it. I personally find the occasional link edit to be harmless, and think that ST would be better off addressing more meaningful issues. But what he says is true.

If you'd like to open up a new discussion about the issue, be my guest. Otherwise, I'd recommend picking your battles. Is a dispute over minor link formatting really worthy of an edit war? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:18, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Drake's Alliance
I don't understand how he is not a member of the crew. An undercover spy is still a member. Until he reveals his identity, he is still a member of the Beast Pirates.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 19:44, May 8, 2020 (UTC)

No, that's not what I meant by "reveal[ed]." "Reveal his identity" as in when he leaves the Beast Pirates by exposing himself to them as a Marine (or just leaving in general). Before he does that though, he is still a member of the crew. Even if he is undercover, that does not mean he is not a member at this point in the story.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 19:59, May 8, 2020 (UTC)

I'm saying that even though his allegiance is fake, his membership is official (as recognized by Kaido). That means that he is a member of this group, even if he is a member of the Marines. But since he falls under both Beast Pirates (and Pirates in general) and Marines, I don't think it is necessary to create a new column saying "Marines" "SWORD" just for him because he already is still part of the pirates group. These chapters show him as a part of the crew, so naturally he should go under it in the column. In the chapter where he was revealed to be a Marine, it made sense to have him in the Marine column because other Marines appeared (and also he played an important role as a Marine in that chapter). But creating a column just for him when he easily falls under another (especially in the context of these two chapters) is not that necessary.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 21:11, May 8, 2020 (UTC)

Well, having an asterisk showing undercover doesn't mean he isn't a member/a part of the crew. Would you say that the CP9 agents were never a part of Galley-La? I would still say they are members of Galley-La even if they were undercover. X Drake is a member because everyone in the crew recognizes him as a member. It would be different if X Drake stole the identity of a member and pretended to be them: this would make him not a member, but that isn't what is happening. One doesn't conflict with the other. Plus, I'm not sure if there is any rule saying you can't put an asterisk in that table.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 10:41, May 9, 2020 (UTC)

Gally
Oh and the reason I put Gally (Loguetown) version in Loguetown Gallery was because he appears with that design in Loguetown. But the reason I put it separately in the Captain Gallery was because the Gally page itself recognizes the existence of two/three versions (We list two bounties and not one). I'm not arguing that they are different characters, but their different designs (associated with different statuses) warrant putting in a different portrait. But at the end of day, it still links back to the Gally page to show they are based off the same character.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 10:53, May 9, 2020 (UTC)

Re:604 Trivia
I have to respectfully disagree. The Page Layouts guidelines are exactly that; though most chapters have no trivia to speak of, 604 does, and not having a "Trivia" section in the Layouts guide does not preclude us from adding trivia to the chapter page. It does not violate any rules, and as a Content Moderator, I think it makes more sense there. 19:32, May 15, 2020 (UTC)

You'll need to justify the existence of the "Artist" category
[There's already a talk page about the issue, which was discussed previously]. A poll will be needed in order to justify the existence of an "artist" category.KingCannon (talk) 17:30, May 29, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Protection
First, double check the words you typed. I'm sure you meant "protection" and not "protraction". Second, I prefer being neutral and I'll only protect pages when I'm sure it's necessary (like giving an edit war a time out).Fliu (talk) 01:57, May 30, 2020 (UTC)

Your Edits
Per the Manual of Style, "Redirect links may be changed into pipe links, but the person changing it must make a major contribution to the article to go along with it." Your recent edits fall into violation of this, so please stop and consider it. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:02, June 5, 2020 (UTC)

To be clear, I don't mind you making those types of edits if you have a bot - either one that you operate manually, or with a computer program. But making those edits with your account (and not marking them as minor) spams the activity log. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:05, June 5, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, as there as an option to remove minor edits when looking at the Recent Changes. And regarding a bot, if you make another account and get bot rights for it, you can just edit like normal using that account which is what most users here do with their bots. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:34, June 5, 2020 (UTC)

All right, this is your last warning. You are not allowed to edit solely to replace redirects with pipe links. Have I not made this clear? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:05, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

Bot
I can't make an exception for you, but I locked it for admins-only. 18:24, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

SBS Volume 94
Hello Rhavkin! I was wondering, where did you get high quality scans of some of the SBS Volume 94 images? I want to add the rest to the page. 13:02, June 23, 2020 (UTC)

That's perfect. Thank you! 19:45, June 23, 2020 (UTC)

Non-Canon Names Category
Databook names are not non-canon... Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:21, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

Would you be open to making a new category/categories including databook names? Rgilbert27 (talk) 02:55, June 25, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Yamato
Because we don't add info before the chapter is officially released, and there's no reason that that discussion needed to be started beforehand. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 18:59, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

The spoiler ban applies across the wiki, with the exception of the chapter page. Blogs, Forums, and Discussions about unofficially released chapters are not allowed, neither are talk page discussions.

Things will be fine. I am aware of the potential for controversy and intend on taking steps to prevent potential chaos. But at the same time, I do not feel that this is an issue pressing enough to warrant early discussion. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 07:10, July 4, 2020 (UTC)

The talk page is currently 7 to 1 in favor of female, so I'd say the page reflects that. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:00, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Sorting OPM
A little late for that now. Rgilbert27 (talk) 05:48, July 11, 2020 (UTC)

Centaur Patrol Unit‎‎
Nightmare insists that those two were credited on having names, so there has to be a page/section where there's a reference to that. Rgilbert27 (talk) 20:40, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Would it be alright for me to spellcheck your messages? Rgilbert27 (talk) 21:04, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

Centaur Patrol Gallery
The problem is not with whether Mogaro Kingdom gallery has two people or not. That's unrelated. The problem is that we don't use the Gallery Template to put a bunch of unnamed minor characters (in most cases). Those randoms were really minor and were mentioned on the page to describe what kind of centaurs they are. They should go back in list form. Or you can utilize the template for the Tsumegeri Guards or G-5 page. That way it can provide details of who is a what kind of centaur and and can include the references that RG wants.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:11, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

Also, I am in favor of the gallery, but not in favor of putting images of the Tapir Centaur for example, they are really minor characters. It would probably be best to put those in a list on the bottom while keeping the named ones. Or as I mentioned earlier, use the template style found on other pages to show members.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 06:22, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

I'm fine with a gallery for the named members, but not putting something like Tapir Centaur because you can't tell they are a Tapir in Gallery Template. Plus, all I'm saying is page needs to be original first so that RG can get his references without starting an edit war.

Re:Volume by Arc
I'd say "Volumes by Saga" would be better. Many arcs are quite short, so categories would end up with only 1-2 articles. 12:40, July 25, 2020 (UTC)

Arcs with one volume: 4 Arcs with two volumes: 5 Arcs with three volumes: 8 Arcs with four volumes: 4 = 11 Out of 21 arcs more than half have under 5 volumes. I don't think it's reasonable. If we do Volumes by Saga, that can be embedded via the arc navboxes too. 14:02, July 25, 2020 (UTC)

Oh, you were talking about the section title link? I meant that the arc navboxes can embed the right category for the volume pages. That's done via the individual navboxes rather than the base template.

For example, Template:Alabasta Arc places Category:Alabasta Arc Episodes or Category:Alabasta Arc Chapters based on the article title. So there it's easy to add a Volume option and make it place the category "Alabasta Saga Volumes" whenever the navbox is on a volume page.

For the section title thing, I don't think it requires a "WhichSaga". The section title for chapters comes from  And it's the individual navboxes that give the right parameter for "Arc Title". Template:Alabasta Arc for example, includes. So in order to make the section title link, all you need to do is add a new parameter to the navboxes, e.g. . Then automate the section titles:    08:41, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

The alternative is basically not linking to a category in the section title at all, and just using the categories to organize the volume articles. It is a bit off that the template is arc-based and the categories by saga, but each category page could have a more thorough breakdown of the arc-volume distribution at the top.

Regarding the second point, I don't think it's a good idea to force colorschemes into the same parameter in a way that results in poorly named categories. If they must be in the same parameter, there's probably better ways to do it - but frankly it's better to just leave them separate. The template has limited use so it wouldn't really contribute to efficiency, it would just be more of hassle to set up. 14:22, August 2, 2020 (UTC)

Edit War prevention
A word of advice is that if you are reverting edits more than once, instead of just keep reverting those edits, let a higher-ranked user know so that page could be locked down to avoid any more of these edits and thus prevent an edit war as I had to let Kaido King of the Beasts‎ know so Template:Beasts Pirates Gallery could be locked down without having to get involved directly. -Adv193 (talk) 21:14, August 2, 2020 (UTC)

Images
For source, can i use a link to another website ? Phiffou 19:32, 10 August, 2020 (UTC+1)

Ok, Thnak you. Phiffou 19:54, 10 August, 2020 (UTC+1)

Spoiler Uploads
Rhavkin, the chapter isn't officially out. Don't post spoilers. 11:08, September 4, 2020 (UTC)

This is a direct quote from our Spoilers Rules page:

"Do not upload images from a new chapter until the chapter is officially available. After the official release, images should preferably be taken directly from the Japanese (raw) version."

Please wait until the official release in the future. Thank you. 12:26, September 4, 2020 (UTC)

Noland is right. Images are not allowed until the official release. "Officially available" means just that. The 'visually verifiable information' practice concerns the Chapter Notes. It does not mean visuals from the chapter can be uploaded, as all information is to be contained on the chapter page itself until the official release. 12:51, September 4, 2020 (UTC)

re: WhichAnimeDate
You may need to talk it out with a few admins before you can incorporate that, maybe via a forum. You are changing a template that is being widely used, and need to let everyone know at least beforehand. 03:54, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Let Yata know. He'll be able to help implement it. 09:09, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Seems good. Please proceed. 10:55, September 27, 2020 (UTC)

SHPS
A certain someone is trying to delete a certain category, so would you want to take part in the discussion again? Rgilbert27 (talk) 22:43, September 28, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Chapter 992
I initially thought the thing on Viz was a fluke (I am a member there of WSJ), but if it is true then no spoilers will be appearing in a few days when I check on YouTube. I plan to keep an eye on things in the meantime. -Adv193 (talk) 04:14, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

Bronte Zaurus
Hey Rhavkin, did you read the Anime and Manga Differences section before you uploaded those images? Zaurus cannot be identified in the anime because two dinosaurs are used to fill the one role. 22:29, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

On the same note, thank you for uploading the images. I meant to grab some for context, but I got sidetracked after I made the page. We can rename and use them for that since the anime ID isn't clear. 22:40, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

I understand your reasoning. However, I did not match Zaurus up with the first dinosaur because the official website does not make a connection. Often, it will include anime art for characters who appeared there, but in Zaurus' case, the website just used the manga panel.

For transparency, Kaizoku-hime renamed the images, not me. I was planning to rename them after you and I talked more about it. 14:43, October 6, 2020 (UTC)

Merged Images
Don't know if you know how, but if you do could you take merged images of ones that I suggest? Rgilbert27 (talk) 04:46, October 6, 2020 (UTC)

Re:English Volume Dates
I'm not sure why there's a discrepancy, but this only seems to affect the first four volumes. Our dates match those on Wikipedia, so I would consider them reliable. 20:41, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Maybe they should be changed then. 19:08, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Re:Redirects
Because there is no issue with doing so. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

You have not presented any reasons as to why using redirects is wrong, or detrimental to the wiki. This is what the Manual of Style says about it: Links like devil fruit, Whitebeard and Luffy are preferred over links with redirects like Devil Fruit, Whitebeard and Luffy.

Redirect links may be changed into pipe links, but the person changing it must make a major contribution to the article to go along with it.

Pipe links are simply preferred, they are not required. Changing redirects to pipe links is not considered to be a productive edit in itself. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

That's not remotely the same thing. If I were to use Rufi, that would be wrong because the wiki uses the spelling Luffy and my spellings should be uniform with that. Nothing to do with using redirects. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:18, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I use them because I feel like it. That's all. Also, an in-universe alternate name like "Big Mom" is not an equivalent comparison to a fan spelling. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 20:41, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

My usage of redirects is not intended to antagonize anyone. It was you who brought it up out of the blue. All I have learned from this conversation is that you don't like links to redirects on articles, without any substantial rationale beyond the circular "just because you don't see an issue doesn't mean its right" and false equivalencies. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 22:45, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

As stated in the Manual of Style, it is against the rules to edit solely to turn redirect links into pipe links. This rule was established by this forum. I have told you this before. So it is funny for you to talk about me antagonizing you when you are the one breaking the rules. I was even lenient enough to let you make a bot account to make those sorts of edits, but apparently you are back to your old ways. Just because you don't agree with a rule doesn't give you the right to ignore it. Either you follow the rule, use your bot account like I have let you, or create a forum to discuss changing the rule. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 16:23, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that you view something as an issue but I do not. I told you to use a bot because it keeps unproductive edits like those off of recent changes. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 17:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Rhavkin Navibox
needs to be moved back to your userspace where it originally was. The template namespace is only for wiki-related use. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 00:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Re: Episodes Images
Sorry for the late reply. Anyway, try the official FUNimation website. If you don't have an account (I don't myself), you'll have to put up with commercials. Watch in fullscreen to avoid the logo in the upper right corner. The status bar along the bottom & the episode title in the upper left corner stays when the video's paused, so you'll have to take screenshots while it's playing. Play it a few seconds before the frame you want and wait for them to disappear. If you find a better way of doing this, please let me know.
 * 🏴‍☠️👸🏻 (talk) 05:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Apologise for not seeing this a bit sooner, but I use crunchyroll as I can toggle on and off their subs which is wonderful to get clean and high quality images as to what other people are saying regarding crunchyroll's player, as I am not sure what player they have, but it's wonderful and way way better than the old flash one. Hope this helps. Dragonquiz (talk) 03:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Opening Narration
I know these come from multiple episodes but can you list what episodes they were uploaded from under Source? Rgilbert27 (talk) 07:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

You may not care but turns out it's not just the anime that uses opening narration. So along with that, and We Are! narration reused to a point, I have a couple more to list if you don't have an issue hearing them out first? Rgilbert27 (talk) 13:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit War
You just don't get it. Rgilbert27 (talk) 09:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: Chapter 12 Cover
Certainly. Some guy on Mercari was hawking his collection of colorspreads, all cut out of the original SJ issues. See here.

(Also, marvel at all the times SJ's printers got the chapter number wrong.)RubberLotus (talk) 18:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

re:(Un)Wanted Categories
Well, I have two possible options for you: you could contact the blog's user and ask them to remove the categories, or I could give you temp rights. 11:51, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Re:1002
They've been subject to vandalism when left unlocked. Since they don't require editing for 1-2 weeks after creation, it's easier to just lock them preemptively. 09:14, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Subcategories
I know you may not want to help but can you tell me how to convince users on another wiki why pages shouldn't be outside their subcategories as well? Rgilbert27 (talk) 10:59, 29 January 2021 (UTC)