Talk:Super-Human Speed

Conditions
I got ahead of myself when I allowed Sanji and Brook to join this list...

... Okay the reason for anyone being classified as "Super Human Speed" is if:


 * 1) They know any Soru techniques
 * 2) Their DF allows it - so far only two have which is Enel's and Luffy's. Enel's becase he could move at the speed of light thanks to the lightning bit and Luffy thanks to Gear 2.
 * 3) Anyone who has been noted for moving faster then the eye can follow.

The conditions to be on the list are a lot less if you will note... And Sanji, Brook and everyone else in the series has yet to make it. Okay, Brook can move his legs fast, yes, but his progression over distance is still not faster then the eye can follow. Zoro arguably could be, but he still isn't moving his actualy body faster then the eye can follow... Just parts of him to create Asura. Sanji has NOT displayed any arguable signs of Superspeed. One-Winged Hawk 17:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone added Kizaru, yep, that counts there is no mistake on that one. I just added Batholomew Kuma since his shockwave (paw paw whatever) moves him fast too. --One-Winged Hawk 08:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * But what about the numerous times in which Sanji was able evade of face attacks head-on (i.e. like when he evaded Absalom's dead man's hands while carrying Nami and traversing quickly behind their attacker) is htat not a form of super-human speed?


 * The conditions are strict with it. Unless it breaks that limit which Soru, Shakushi, Gear Second and those DFs have it doesn't count. Theres fast, then theres Super fast. I can't explain it any other way besides that. It goes back to the fav. example I use with Brook; he is fast but not fast enough. The only other way we can change it is if Oda states a technique is on par with another listed technique (like Kuro's move is on par with Soru). :-/


 * BTW you didn't sign your post with "~" . Ah... I get fed up with saying that. --92.232.91.192 11:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I just watched movie 9 last night, and I would say Wapol's brother, Mussuru, should be on this list as he fits into category 3. He was able to move (almost teleport) from beside his brother on the ground to Luffy who was standing on the roof of the castle. If everyone approves I'll put him on the list. 203.94.188.15 02:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not seen the movie. But its more then just being able to do that. Make sure you understand the conditions if you decide to add, the conditions are fragile. --One-Winged Hawk 07:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's a link in which Mushuuru's speed can be seen during his fight with Luffy. Two things about him I must say. 1) It's unbelievable that he's related to Wapol. 2) His concept gives the same vibe as Coola, Freeza's older brother, from Dragon Ball Z. Mugiwara Franky 07:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I had another look. Upon second review I noticed that he only uses this "teleportation" ability once and the rest of the time it's easy to follow him. So it's probably not worth mentioning. 203.94.188.15 23:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

What about Garp? He passed the Straw Hats in Water 7 at a blur just to get to Luffy. --Yatanogarasu 16:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The known methods are there already, no one else can be entered until more info comes up. One-Winged Hawk 23:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Why is Oars on the list? Could someone cite a chapter or something? While I don't fully remember everything that happened in the fight the Oars article itself does not mention anything about super speed. While I don't remember any super speed one thing that makes me doubt that he could move super fast was it said it was Luffy's shadow based. Why would Luffy's shadow giving him the ability to use Luffy's version of Soru if Luffy needs the Gomu Gomu no Mi and Gear Second to pull it off? If he can move super fast someone should probably update the Oars article with it. Immolo 23:14, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Kuro's Shakushi
Soru was identified as being "Super human speed" and Kuro's Shakushi identified as being roughly the same speed, the difference was literally the training to be able to identify ones own movements in which Shkushi doesn't include. Therefore only Shakushi has been identified to be traveling the same speed of Super human speed the other technique of Kuro's, though fast is like Brook; fast but not fast enough to be superhuman speed. --One-Winged Hawk 08:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Regarding Kuro's super-human speed technique, despite people calling it "Shakushi", his technique is actually called "Nuki Ashi" (Stealth Foot). "Shakushi" is the technique for him to utilize his super speed to kill his enemies, so please don't list that as his super-human speed technique. --Yatanogarasu 22:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You said it yourself;


 * "Shakushi" is the technique for him to utilize his super speed 


 * Oda also named THIS as the super human speed, not the attack or whatever. One-Winged Hawk 08:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Vol.42 Chapter 401, Fan question: Which is faster, Kuro's Shakushi or CP9's Soru?


 * Here is the answer


 * Wait... Why hasn't that SBS question made it onto Kuro's page nor this one??? One-Winged Hawk 08:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay... Had to change it on the Soru bit of CP9's technique list page. Its corrected back to Shakushi on that page too.


 * Yatanogarasu, please double check you are correct before you edit, especially when you end up making silly mistakes like this (telling us off while at the same time admitting the technique is the one he needs for Super Speed). If everyone alters it back it has to be for a reason, if we're making a mistake, check up on it first and tell us all off then if you are indeed correct. I note you also altered it on the CP9's technique page right? If you had noted on that page too there is a reference linking to an SBS where the Shakushi was mentioned yet you didn't check up on it then?


 * If you don't know where to find the SBS answers, why didn't you ask?


 * If you did know where to find them, why didn't you look it up?


 * Still now we've had a hiccup and to save someone's else embarrassment, I'll get the references on the page today.


 * note: why didn't the others editing also add references? Just because one forgets doesn't mean we all need to forget! Yatanogarasu isn't solely the one to blame here, I'm part of them blame (started the page with references back when we were just setting up pages to have pages) along with others who edited the page after me. Somewhere along the line, a reference or two should have been added, yet none were? One-Winged Hawk 08:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Jinbei
Jinbei managed to catch Luffy in Gear Second mode (officially classified as Super Human Speed) in Chapter 544 page 7. Should we classify Jinbei as having Super Human Speed? Yatanogarasu 17:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * ITs is equal speed or calculated interception? One-Winged Hawk 10:46, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Needles
I think needles needs to be on this list. Several times he appears to move faster than the eye can follow, once when teleporting beside Luffy to put his claw to his throat, and once towards the end when approaching combat with Shiraiya. In the latter, he makes several rapid movements side to side without appearing to pass the intervening space. The biggest limitation I noticed is that he only has access to such speed when closing into combat. In actual hand to hand fights he is merely fast, not superhumanly so. 64.188.169.226 13:50, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that he should be mentioned. El Chupacabra 15:42, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Disagree, he is filler and won't ever be denyied or confirmed by Oda, nor was details of super speed even worked out at the time. A tricky position to be in, better off and safe then sorry. One-Winged Hawk 16:03, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * The fact that he's filer doesn't mean that he can't have super-human speed. We could mention him in the trivia section. El Chupacabra 16:07, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * How about the "finer details" not refined then? You didn't take note of that.  Its like the pre-explaination logia from the second movie, is she weak because of her power or weak because Oda hadn't let the greater Devil Fruit knowledge let out? One-Winged Hawk 16:10, February 18, 2010 (UTC)