Talk:Hobi Hobi no Mi

Trivia Worthy
So just to confirm: this fruit grants 2 different powers, being the only one to do so? 01:15, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Copying over what I wrote on your page:


 * I don't see the age halting and toy-transforming as completely unrelated. The way I see it, since kids are generally the only ones who play with toys, the fruit effectively keeps the user in a state where they're able to play with toys forever. The only problem I can see with this theory would be if someone older ate the fruit - we don't know if they would revert to a child, or just stop aging at whatever age they were. Also, it might sound too much like speculation, so I'm not sure what to do.

Anyway, there are a number of fruits that have abilities that are only vaguely linked, or at least their link is a "theme" (eg. Nikyu, Giro, Ope). The example of the Sube Sube no Mi also making the user skinny that DP reverted is also kinda relevant, although the difference is that it was explained as directly coming from the fruit's primary ability, which we don't have here. 08:07, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

The way I see it, the fruit has an inseparable dual effect, those being transformation and associative memory loss. I don't think those two things can be separated, like you couldn't wipe someone's memories without turning someone into a toy. I would call the stunted aging a secondary effect. 16:04, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Kachi Kachi no Mi doesn't seem to have a linked effect either, turning rock hard and heating up. Okay, knocking stones together makes heat, that doesn't exactly sound right. Yami Yami no Mi is unique in having darkness (gravity) and ability nullification, but the Hobi Hobi no Mi is a little granting three different effects by toys and memory erasing (2 effects melded into one), and eternal life. 05:24, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

"Those who are transformed into toys become forgotten" can also be compared to "those who have their shadows stolen disintegrate in sunlight". But this talk page is more specifically about whether the Trivia section should be removed, and the line "seemingly unrelated to the first" be removed from the second para of strengths and weaknesses. 05:42, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well, toys being a child's thing, and aging stopped is a sign of remaining youthful (childish), we can't really use this as a connection for now, right? It'd be speculative. What about Kachi Kachi no Mi's heat up and rock hard, aren't they separate as well? 06:54, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

Haven't seen the movie, but from reading that page it seems like knocking rocks together is the "theme", which fits together with the other themed fruits I mentioned earlier (pushing = high-speed travel, explosions, remove pain/exhaustion; insight = long-distance eyesight, mind-reading, whale tears; ope = surgery, manipulation, defibrillator etc). If he doesn't have to actually knock his fingers/fists together, you could be right, but in any case it's difficult to know where to draw the line in these cases. I can't think of any instance from an SBS where Oda's talked about the scope of a particular fruit and how its abilities fit together.

In regards to the Hobi Hobi no Mi, I know saying there's a link is speculative, but saying that there isn't a link is also speculative, and I don't think the line and the trivia are necessary. 08:14, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

I agree does the fruit grants you eternat youth, or is this really a halting of your aging? what would happen if an older person eat the fruit? i think halting of aging is better than eternal youth. Doomroar (talk) 09:55, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Doomroar. The soldier said she hadn't aged since eating it. That just means she ate it when she was young. It's just coincidence that she's going to stay young forever. If it were Jora or Lao G who ate the fruit, they'd be middle-aged for the rest of their lives. 10:06, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

"Eternal life" then? 08:34, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, she can't die of old age I guess. She could probably get sick and die though... 04:54, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

I would just call it stunted growth and aging. 19:57, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't want to go all medical in a shounen manga, but the fact that she doesnot age physically doesn't mean she has eternal lifespan. Her organs could still be vulnerable to the effects of time. About the Fruit's effect I think it should be mentioned under Abilities and Powers and nowhere else.

Aren't organs part of the never-aging body? And if her growth is stunted, doesn't that count as living forever as long as she is not killed? 03:36, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

We're running into some real hypothetical shit here. All we need to say on the article is all we know from the chapter: That the fruit stopped her from aging. To say that it grants her eternal life or that her organs can still age is speculation since we've been told nothing that can confirm that. 05:18, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, let's just keep it simple. Speculation doesn't need to go into the trivia section. 06:56, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

No need to complicate things. 06:58, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, just wanted it to sound cool... 07:57, December 17, 2013 (UTC)