Talk:Samurai

they should have there own pages
Ninja and samurai are two differnt occupations they are no the same thingTo love this (talk) 01:39, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

The source for the claim is right there. What are your arguments to contradict what the character says in chapter 808? If the term is a "catch-all" word for warriors of Wano, there still is space for "proper" samurai, ninja, sumo wrestler, etc. within the page. About their own pages, I don't have an opinion yet. StoopidGuy (talk) 01:44, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

samurai is not a catch term fof all wano warriors sheep head said so him self when he lirteally point it out to ginrummy on what raizo is and by the fact every warrior from wano are either called ninja or samurai not just one term they are clear distinguished from each other they do differnt things and fight in differnt ways. we lirteally made pages for Mercenary and Assassin but we just going fuse samurai and ninja what sense those that makeTo love this (talk)

Ginrummy literally said "Samurai is the general term for all warriors of the Wano Country" in the exact panel you are referencing. While I don't oppose the creation of a Ninja page so long as there's enough content for it, it's not erroneous to list Wano ninja as samurai. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 02:58, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

Sheephead literally called her out on calling raizo a samurai instead of a ninja and corrected her it is wrong to have both of this occupations on same page we dont do it for Mercenary and Assassin and we dont dont do it for Combatant and martial artist there is enough information for both of these occupations to have there own pageTo love this (talk) 06:56, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

Your recollection of the exchange in Chapter 808 is incorrect. The dialogue goes like this:

Ginrummy: We did not, Jack-sama. We came here to capture a samurai.

Sheepshead: Not a samurai, ya dummy! Raizo’s a ninja!!

Ginrummy: Silence, Sheepshead-sama!! “Samurai” is the general term for all warriors of the Wano Country!! Details matter not!!

Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 07:01, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

ok uh you lirteally just posted it your self sheephead lirteally correcting Ginrummy after she called him a samurai instead of a ninja. To love this (talk)07:22, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

And on the following line Ginrummy explaining why they are grouped. Vash(talk) 07:29, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

And afree one else either calls them ninja or samurai clearly distingusih them as differnt things and from that point own when ever warrior has been introduced from wano they are called one those things not just one term to describe them they are called either or To love this (talk)07:52, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

That is a flawed outlook. one thing can fall into 2 categories. an example of this is an orange being called a fruit. while being an orange it is still a fruit eventhough it has a more specific category. the question needed for a new page to be made for Ninja is if there is enough info for it to have a page of it's own, or does it provide too little info to stand alone. with it being placed into a category that holds many other groups it therefore has to meet a minimum of around 4 to 5 paragraphs to logically require it's own page. with the examples you provided as comparison there is little if any grouping above them that would make sense for them to be filed under should they be too small. As a last point either get off or use your sig. I am not going to be nice next time. Vash(talk) 08:13, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

this page being one of them there enough infomation about ninja that is clearly differnt from samurai for them to have there own page differnt attirbutes differnt fighting styles differnt duties etc your argument brought nothing to tell how there differnt. if your going respond with example plz think it out firstTo love this (talk) 08:39, August 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) ok alittle advice when your going to use example actually make sure they make sense because u just tried to compare how a ornage is a color and a name of a fruit to two occupations that are literllay differnt from each other.
 * 2) a page those not have to have minimum of of 4 to 5 paragraphs there are mulitple pages on this wiki that have less then four paragraphs

I wasn't comparing a color to a fruit I was comparing the fruit called an orange to the less specific categorization of being a fruit. and as for paragraph requirement that is what is considered standard when there is a less specific categorization for it that HAS been used for it. Vash(talk) 08:44, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

Samurai is the general categorization of ANY warrior of Wano. Ninja is an occupation of specific warriors. And if you think that you have enough to marit making a page create a blog post of what the page should look like and post a link here for the content mods and above to decide. Vash(talk) 08:59, August 4, 2020 (UTC) A samurai is not a GENERAL CATERGORZATION it a specific title if it was a general then ninja would be allowed to added to other pages that mentions that mention the samurai and every warrior from wano would just be introduced as just samurai on this wiki people with specific occupations get ther own pages. ...you do know talk page rules right? i am suggesting ninja are removed from this page it must be discussed in talk page not a blogTo love this (talk) 09:13, August 4, 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) mhmmm sure
 * 2) before i respond just have to ask are you saying samurai/ninja which is a specific title occupation is not specific categoraztionTo love this (talk) 08:53, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

Your suggestion is for a new page to be created for a sub category of a page that already exists. as Ginrummy said ALL warriors of Wano are samurai, not just those with the job of samurai. and using blog posts as a means to prove info amount for the creation of a page is perfectly legal and actually encuraged by the main fandom community. Talk pages can only go so far in convaying your stance. a blog which shows how it would look like is more likely to get results and if it doesn't get results it can lead to the suggestion being discussed properly so that the conversation doesn't become an issue. now if you will please you have hit practically every point I can possibly see you having, either give a visual representation of your suggestion or drop it. you are getting too enraged trying to convince people you are right, and by looking at your past I assume you will probably start an edit war about it. do the blog post and let people see your point, don't make a jerk out of yourself. Vash(talk) 09:23, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

My suggestions is for the ninja to be removed before a new page ninja is created i must convince other user that they should not be on this page if your one of those people who likes blogs for every discussion and just cant deal with a talk page that is alright but i and most user here use talk page accept it or move on .AGAIN sheephead lirteally corrects her and clear make apoint that a ninja and a samurai are differnt THINGS no one else in manga generalize ninja or samurai and ninja as the same thing same. it seems you have hard time understanding that ever wiki is differnt and how discussion are dealt with are differnt just becauss you were admin for one wiki and ran it one way does not mean this wiki is the same plz do not try act like it is. either accept and respect that i use talk page as they are attended for as i would accept your use of blogs or plz talk to someone else dont be nuisance about itTo love this (talk) 09:48, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

My point is simple this talk page has reached a conclusion there isn't enough info for ninja to stand alone, unless a visual representation becomes available Ninja should be left as is. Blogs allow wiki script and commenting like normal pages so as a visual representation they are prefect for. talk pages are good for edits to one page that doesn't leave info in limbo when there may be an issue to the edit. Sense you won't do the blog page I will attempt to do it in blog, and I assure you from our talk there isn't enough info for it. This will most likely cause the topic to end right then and there. Vash(talk) 10:08, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

Blog made. Ninja Page Suggestion As I stated simply there is not enough info. Vash(talk) 10:32, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

To Love This, why are you so hung up on what Sheepshead says that you are blatantly ignoring what Ginrummy explains to him immediately afterwards? Is there any reason we need to put Sheepshead's word above Ginrummy's? Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 14:52, August 4, 2020 (UTC)