Talk:Hattori

Lucci's Childhood Pet
Did it ever actually say that it was Hattori Lucci had as a child? It may have been a different pigeon. It doesn't say Hattori's name under his and Lucci's picture when Oda drew CP9 as kids. And while pigeons in captivity live much longer than wild ones, Hattori shows no signs of old age.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 21:42, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * While that brings a point, it really can't be proved that the pigeon is not Hattori. There is no proof that Lucci could have had a different pigeon when he was younger. The only proof that points to anything is that the bird has a necktie. Unless something comes up to prove that proof wrong, it can't exactly be wrong. Also take note that this is kinda a manga and anime where people can gain supernatural abilities from eating disgusting tasting fruits. Applying too much real world sense in a fantasy setting may ruin stuff.Mugiwara Franky 23:47, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in the 'Trivia' section: "Hattori was seen with Lucci 22 years ago, implying that either he's incredibly old for his species or..."
 * Current: "...this is the descendant of that Hattori."
 * Previous: "...pigeons live much longer in the One Piece world than in the real world."

I'll change it...for now. If anyone disapproves or has another idea, please state your thoughts here.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 00:35, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well its not completely unrealistic.... In the real world pigeons can live for twenty years. In Oda's world who knows. One-Winged Hawk 00:53, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but older animals (like humans) get gawky with age. And as I said: "Hattori shows no signs of old age." He flies around rather gracefully. So, unless he's like Kureha...
 * Kaizoku-Hime 01:05, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, birds don't really show "age" as such like. In terms of say a cat and a dog, a dog gets grey under its chin but a cat does not. In fact a cats only sign of age is curly fur and skinny down as it gets older. With birds, age is harder to define. All they do is get scruffy. Maybe they slouch a bit, but otherwise, birds just don't tend to look old. One-Winged Hawk 23:24, February 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Heres a related species to that other picture. Note; it doesn't look old now does it? You're thinking too much of human terms here, wherein WE show a lot of signs of age. One-Winged Hawk 23:26, February 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Last one that is apparently 100 years old. Note however all of these are all parrots, because... Parrots just live a long time in captivity. One-Winged Hawk 23:30, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

According to this picture the pigeon is Hattori. Just look Spadam and Funkfreed. How is that possible for a sword? Who Cares! Tipota 01:06, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * After thinking about it. He drew them, possibly as though they were children, but not ness. as what they were like as younger. One-Winged Hawk 08:49, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * The SBS picture? Definitely, since they were all drawn to be the same age although there there are actually various differences between them (Spandam's the oldest at 39 - Kaku's the youngest at 23 = 16 year gap). But what about the Chapter 0 picture of 6-year-old Lucci training next to 13-year-old Jyabura with a bird on his head?
 * Kaizoku-Hime 02:30, January 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * The SBS pic and the Chapter 0 panel are pretty much related if not canon since they're practically the same. It's probably best to not ponder too much anymore about the life span of fictional characters based on real world logic. In real world logic for example, Chopper should be either dead or really old based on the average lifespan of a reindeer.Mugiwara Franky 02:40, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point made above. In One Piece there are basic elements that correspond to their counterparts in the real world, but most of the time things should just be taken as is. There's really no point in trying to compare Hattori to a real life pigeon. Since when can real life pigeons show facial expressions through their eyebrows like a human can? Anyways, for an explanation about animals not looking older, it's most likely evolutionarily advantageous to not reveal your age through appearance in the wild kingdom due to predators usually seeking the old, sick, or very young. Humans tend to take care of their elderly, so it's not as much of a problem. Sephirona 00:41, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * All in all it comes back to the same thing, theres just no doubting that that is the right bird until Oda states otherwise. One-Winged Hawk 01:03, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Something :
''*Lucci having a pet pigeon is an irony on his bloodlust. A dove (another name for pigeon), especially an all-white one like Hattori, is often used as a symbol of love and peace.''

There is a slight difference betwen a dove and a pigeon.

http://www.proz.com/forum/teaching_and_learning_languages/28738-dove_vs_pigeon_how_to_explain_the_difference.html

Basically it mostly boils down to doves are wild species normally and pigeons are captive bred species, although doves and pigeons tend to have slightly different diets (but not 100% between the two families). Its like hawks, falcons, eagles, wherein their all related, but due to their flight patterns they tend to get different names. II think thats something like, Hawks swoop low, Falcons dive to the ground, eagles soar up high or something like that... One-Winged Hawk
 * I see...However, some languages don't differentiate between the two. I may be wrong, but hato means both pigeon and dove in Japanese.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 00:45, March 24, 2010 (UTC)