Talk:Mero Mero no Mi

Is it really OK to have this page been made!? It hasn't been officially said in the manga that Boa Hancock is using a Devil's Fruit ability, although it is pretty much obvious!! I thought that this site differs from Wikipedia in the essence that its using valid content from verified sources (like waiting for the scanlations instead of posting informations from the spoilers)!! Can someone comment on this!? MasterDeva 21:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Its official. One-Winged Hawk 22:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the mistake, I read that as Hebi Hebi no Mi twice for the two sisters and didn't notice it even though I read it three times, talk about being tired!! Thanks for the correction Emfrbl and sorry for bothering you with something so stupid!!! MasterDeva 22:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * We all make mistakes. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 23:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

get ready
guys get ready to get a colored picture of this devil fruit next week. like we don't want to have critics about being late on updating files like this one right.

Rainelz 5:09pm july 12,2009


 * How did you come by this info? One-Winged Hawk 09:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

okay as we now Episode 409 is released this week so probably episode 410 will be shown next week showing hancock's power.Rainelz 5:39pm july 12,2009

is mero mero no mi just a beam
So it seems that my interpretation of the mero mero no mi is not shared by everyone since it has been deleted. Honnestly I found that a beam that transform people in stone is really reductive. I agree that Alvida had a similar effect on men. But here also women are affected. There is plenty of hints that it also helps increase her power on people by seduction : The marine in chapter 516 that says he felt he was forced to obey, Nyon which first succomb to it but recover quickly, then the 2 kuja when she throw her by the window

What would it be called mero mero if it was just a beam, isn't that suppose to mean falling in love or similar ?
 * If you look closely at the background of when Alvida was reintroduced in LogueTown, you'll notice that women were effected by her new beauty as well. And the Marines there couldn't bring themselves to arrest her. The Mero Mero no Mi uses the victims' emotions against them, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it caused the emotion. If it did, how would you explain Luffy, who's extremely vulnerable to such mind-control (Jango & Miss Goldenweek), being immune to it? It's a "possibility", but also unlikely.
 * Kaizoku-Hime 21:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Irresistability from Devil Fruit
Hancock's irresistibility comes from this fruit, right? Cause last time I check normal women like Domino that don't come from an all female island don't become instant lesbians.Mugiwara Franky 23:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't recall any Paramecia that BOTH alters the body (like Alvida's) AND Logia-like (like Robin's and Kalifa's). If her irresistibility really did come from the fruit, it would be a bodily altercation; while her attacks like Mero Mero Merrow would be Loagia-like. Also, please read my reply to the above section ^, "is mero mero no mi just a beam".
 * Kaizoku-Hime 00:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The thing with Alvida is a different case. With this fruit, it seems that it completely causes people to instantly fall in love with her. The fruit is called Mero Mero and she has several love themed attacks. If it was just petrification, why the love. For Luffy, it's been explained in an SBS that he's an idiot who only gets nosebleed if he has someone else to show him, a train of thought that seems similar to stabbing one's hand.


 * For fruits that both permanently alter the body and have some activation abilities, there's Mr. 1 and Mr. 5. Mr. 1 is permanently steel as he can't be easily be sliced up by normal methods. His techniques however require activation with him transforming his body parts into more blade-like weapons. Mr. 5 is permanently immune to explosions. His techniques however require him to activate otherwise he would have constantly exploded in every instance he was knocked by Luffy and slashed by Zoro.Mugiwara Franky 00:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Point taken. But it was never directly stated if her irresistibility comes from her natural beauty (and an abnormally high level of pheromones) or if it comes from the Mero Mero no Mi. So wouldn't saying outright that it comes from the fruit count as "speculation"? We should probably leave it out until it's officially stated (either in the manga or by Oda).
 * Kaizoku-Hime 00:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Every situation where there have been hundreds of oogling people who fawn over Hancock heavily suggests that its the Devil Fruit powers. In her first appearance, the Marines note that they don't know what came over them. When Nyon talked to her about the Shichibukai met, Nyon momentarily fell in love with Hancock before snapping herself out of it. When her sisters come in the bath, Marigold states that no one is supposedly immune to her beauty regardless of age and gender, a thing that's naturally impossible without some sort of technique.Mugiwara Franky 01:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It has never once been stated that the Mero Mero no Mi has any sort of charming powers. While there is nothing to disprove that it is possible there is no conclusive evidence to prove that it's possible other than using speculation. Thus this should merely be said to be a theory instead of fact unless stated in the manga.Aiddon 01:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 01:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Ace's conversation with Garp while they were in Impel Down HEAVILY SUGGESTED that he was Dragon's son and...well...look what happened:
 * Kaizoku-Hime 01:23, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The thing with people thinking Ace being Dragon's son was what Oda was going for at that point of the story. The whole idea was a plot device used to make people think that so that when it was revealed that Ace was Roger's son, the shock would be greater. Even if it was wrong back then, the suggestion was justified due to no evidence being there to disprove the suggestion then. I mean don't tell me that you weren't convince back then of the idea of Ace being Dragon's son with his explanation of taking his mother's family name.


 * The same goes for the Mero Mero being the cause of all the love. True it has yet to be stated outright that it is the cause, there's actually less evidence to disprove that its not the cause. Based on what we have now, we can only go with what has more evidence even if its very little.Mugiwara Franky 01:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, it's not conclusive or even really evidence; it is at best speculation from conjecture and thus should not be brought up as fact until concrete confirmation has been made in the plot. --Aiddon 02:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 02:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * While most of the evidence is not exactly conclusive, you can't just disprove them just because no one has yet to completely state it. True the lack of this fact makes it sketchy, however there is less explanation for what else it could be. You could say that she's just naturally super beautiful or even say that she's using Haki, however that's more of a speculation as there less than nothing to support it.


 * The argument of people falling in love with her because of the Devil Fruit has alot of stuff to back it up but has yet to be properly stated. The argument of it being something else on the other has nothing to back it up as well as nothing properly stated yet. Going by this, even if it's a suggestion, we have to assume it is true especially if it's heavy. If it turns out like Ace then okay. Until then however, the suggestion hold ground.Mugiwara Franky 02:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, you still have no concrete proof thus it is still speculation. Your argument of what you state backs it up is still based on subjective conjecture and that is not proof. Until it has been stated 100% that this is the EXACT reason for why Hancock appears to whoo everyone then it is still just a theory and should be avoided as fact until the vagueness of the Mero Mero no Mi has been cleared up

--Aiddon 02:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 02:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It's obvious it is her devil fruit powers. If it wasn't then everybody would fall for every other female character in One Piece. Drunk Samurai 05:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The thing with the fruit is that:


 * 1) It's called the Mero Mero no Mi. Mero Mero is the onomatopoeia for falling in love. If petrification was its main power, wouldn't it be called something else that would suggest petrification.
 * 2) The majority of Hancock's techniques are not only love themed, but rely on emotions and feelings of love towards her. A petrification ability that relies on victims' feelings would be useless if the user doesn't have the capability to make them fall in love in the first place.

There's also the whole fact of women and animals falling for her. Straight women falling naturally for Hancock on her looks alone is a bit farfetched especially since One Piece isn't a hentai manga. Animals are also much more farfetched, creatures like snails don't naturally consider mammals as sexy. If all the fruit did was petrify those who fell in love with Hancock, then women and animals would be naturally immune to her powers.Mugiwara Franky 07:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to interrupt here: Remember the camel Eyelashes? He only let Vivi and Nami ride him because he liked pretty girls, there was also that giant crab in the same arc, so there you go, animals (both mammalian and otherwise) finding human women attractive.  And then there's Nami's fight with Cailfa in which she lost her composure for a second while noting her sexiness.  The reason Hancock seems to have a greater effect on people is probably because she's "the most beautiful woman in the world".  I'd also like to point out the only ability of her's we've seen that relies on feelings of love is Mero Mero Merrow; one is hardly the majority Are You Serious 11:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * With Eyelashes and Scissors, they're exceptions to the general animal kingdom. Just because there were two perverted animals, doesn't mean all animals have the same tastes. With Nami falling for Calipha, that was one time thing. It was also not as serious as the other women falling for Hancock.


 * She has shown other abilities in the recent chapter. There is that heart shaped bow that she fires cupid-like arrows with. Those that are hit by the arrows turn to stone. There's that technique in which she kicks people and where she hits, turns to stone.Mugiwara Franky 12:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Once again, your interpretations and opinions are not proof and thus should be left as speculation. If the truth of the matter has never, ever been stated then don't jump to conclusions just because you believe there's a just despite the fact that it's vague. Until Oda states otherwise then we should just accept that it is completely unknown if the Mero Mero no Mi can truly charm people or if it's just sheer coincidence. --Aiddon 14:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 14:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It should also be noted that when Alvida showed up in the square in logue town in chapter 98 page 6 we see what appears to be a woman with hearts in her eyes going ballistic over Alvida's beauty just like all the women do over Boa Hancock. Unless you happen to believe that both their devil fruit have attraction abilities it is most likely because of their beauty. It should also be noted that when Luffy saw Hancock bathing on 518 page 5, Marigold stated that it was Hancock's beauty that made her irresistible. Immolo 19:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * With Alvida, there were indeed women who had hearts in their eyes. However, compared with Hancock, they were not as ballistic as the ones who fell for Hancock. Apart from that scene there hasn't been any other scene where thousands of people praise Alvida for her beauty.


 * With Hancock, there have been alot of scenes where women are infatuated with her. While it is not stated, there is clearly something that is not natural. There is also alot of signs like the fruit's name and theme that point to this.


 * One of the more blatant examples of it being the Devil Fruit comes from the first chapter where Hancock appears. When Momonga is talking with the Kuja asking for Hancock to appear, practically all of the Marines keep their composure despite them looking at a bunch of half naked women. When Hancock comes out, they all of a sudden lose their composure as if they were undisciplined. When Hancock asks for the Marine's cargo, the grunts willingly prepare to give it to her. When Momonga shouts out at them, a Marine comments that he found himself obeying Hancock's orders without thinking. The way the scene plays out heavily suggests that Hancock is hypnotizing in some way. Since she stated she ate a Devil Fruit with the name that is the onomatopoeia for falling in love, and she hasn't explained anything else, the signs point it to being the Devil Fruit.


 * While a direct statement is always conclusive, if there are a lot of signs pointing to one conclusion then it must be true.Mugiwara Franky 02:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, those are not signs; they are at best subjective interpretations that have a high possibility of being mistaken. Again, you still lack evidence and your claims of signs are still just your idea of what you THINK they MIGHT be, mean, or lead to. If her charms are because of the Devil Fruit then it does not explain why Hancock simply did not just charm her captors in her youth to escape with her sisters. Plus if this were true then Luffy should not be immune to it as he is extremely susceptible to mind-altering affects. The claims of the Mero Mero no Mi having charming abilities are a theory, nothing more. It should be stated, until proven or disproven, that Hancock's charms MIGHT be from the Mero Mero no Mi but it is otherwise unknown if the fruit itself causes it.--Aiddon 02:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon--Aiddon 02:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * For why she couldn't just escape her captors, note she was given the fruit by them in the first place. It would be rather stupid to empower your slave with Devil Fruit powers unless you had a seastone handcuffs lying around. This reasoning can be also be applied to her sisters. Both Mari and Sonia had gained abilities to become gigantic snakes that could easily overpower their captors. If so, why didn't they just poison and constrict their captors and escape.


 * For Luffy, Oda has stated in an SBS of why he was immune. In a fan question of why Luffy had a nosebleed with Nami but felt nothing for Hancock, Oda explained that because Usopp was with him, Luffy was influenced by his reaction to Nami. Since Usopp was not with him, Luffy was being stupid. His stupidity prevented him from falling in love, similar to how Momonga was able to protect himself by stabbing his hand.Mugiwara Franky 02:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, if the Mero Mero no Mi has mind-altering abilities then under no circumstances should it be overriden if the user is not aware of it. If it is like, say, Ms. Golden Week's Color Trap then it should impossible to resist even if they're aware of it. If anything Oda's statement disproves the possibility of Hancock's charms being from the Mero Mero no Mi. Furthermore Marigold clearly stated that "no man or woman, young or old could fail to be captured by your beauty". Even Hancock herself said "even after seeing me in the bath is your heart not swayed?" raising the possibility that the Mero Mero no Mi's power is completely dependent on someone's actual physical attractiveness as opposed to just being a power granted by the Fruit itself. Again, in the end it is unknown whether it is the truth or not but all possibilities are still unknown in their exact validity.--Aiddon 03:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon


 * Seastone cancels Devil Fruit powers, all Devil Fruit powers. This means that powers like hypnotism would be canceled as well. If her irresistibility doesn't come from her Devil Fruit power, then she should have escaped as nothing would be holding her back then.


 * Miss Goldenweek's Color Trap is not Devil Fruit based.


 * Any normal person would feel something upon seeing a nude body. Marigold does indeed say beauty but the whole falling for her regardless of age and gender suggest something is amplifying her beauty.


 * Your argument is that because there is no statement of her irresistibility coming from the Devil Fruit, it might be false. That is a big "if" you are saying without any facts to back your claim. The majority of the given facts show that something is going on with these lovesick people. Unless there is another explanation, the only rational conclusion would be the work of the Devil Fruit.Mugiwara Franky 03:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly, I have no facts to claim it is anything but speculation and ultimately a theory. But ultimately, you as well, have no explicit facts to prove your own theories and furthermore you try to use theories to back up your theories and that is circular logic and thus faulty. You keep saying "facts" but your facts are still just your own statements, not statements from the series itself. I can say without a doubt that no one in the entire series thus far has actually stated Hancock's charms come from the Devil Fruit, though I will also concede that no has said they're NOT. Unless an example can be interpreted no other way than it is not proof or fact. Ultimately it is impossible to prove which theory is correct and thus NONE should be considered more valid than the other unless Oda has cleared up the vagueness of the Mero Mero no Mi.--Aiddon 04:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon

Asking for direct confirmation of a fact is okay but when there are more than enough signs for a fact to be confirmed, then it must be true whether or not there is a direct confirmation. It's like answering a math equation. Take A+B=C. A is equal to 1. C is equal to 3. Even without being told what B represents, one can easily guess that it is 2. Unless another variable is shown in the equation, B will always be 2.

Hancock is kinda the same. We see that Hancock is doing something to make people fall in love with her. We know she ate a Devil Fruit that gives her powers. Putting 1 and 1 together, one can easily guess that her making people fall in love with her is the result of the Devil Fruit. Unless it is explained that she is using perfume, has ridiculous high pheromones, or is using Haki, anyone and everyone will state this fact.

It is not personal preference but common sense that drives this argument. The argument of it maybe not the Devil Fruit, overcomplicates things a conclusion that anybody and everybody can come up with.Mugiwara Franky 04:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Then why did I come to a different conclusion? Common sense should dictate I agreed with no argument. You say you're putting 1 and 1 together but in the end you're not doing 1 + 1 but a=b=c etc. It's far more complex to assume the Mero Mero no Mi has anything to do with it because the examples used have to have other examples or theories to back them up and the examples you cite are assumptions and you cannot say they're facts just because you want them to be. Occam's Razor, go with the simpler solution and the Mero Mero no Mi having a charming power is in no way simple. The simpler thing to day to say it's unknown because there's no proof to back any theories up.--Aiddon 14:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Aiddon

source of Luffy's immunity to mero mero fruit is not stupidity
Why it is written, that Luffy is oblivious to lust due to his stupidity? It is clearly not true - stupid people are not immune to charms. Perhaps it comes from Luffy's personality - he is impressed with unusual things. Maybe all D. people share this trait. Who knows? 78.88.117.116 13:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)