Talk:Batto Batto no Mi, Model: Vampire

Mythical?
Was it said to be a mythical, vampire? Just wanna confirm. 02:25, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

We do not know. It was not said to be mythical nor zoan. --Klobis (talk) 04:27, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Was the Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Bake-danuki said so then? Or did we just assume that one? 07:48, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yep, here: http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/opuw/story/ch02.html. 07:59, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. 23:44, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Would it by any chance be more correct to call it the Model: Vampire Bat? 00:26, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Don't think so. 01:51, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

He said "immortal vampire" and he can absorb others' youth. We can speculate it is mythical vampire. --Klobis (talk) 06:35, November 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify, does he actually say "model: vampire" in the game? When I search for "バットバットの実" on google I get some results saying model:vampire and some saying model:dracula, which seems kinda weird if it was actually said. I was wondering if this could be a situation where only the hybrid form is a vampire, like Jabra using the wolf fruit to become a werewolf in hybrid form, or Pierre using the horse fruit to become a pegasus. 06:58, November 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Model Vampire. 3:13. --Klobis (talk) 08:39, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

So we can safely deem this as a Mythical Zoan? 06:38, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Wait until the game comes out. SeaTerror (talk) 06:48, November 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * The game is out in Japan. 06:58, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

How should we settle this then? The game is already out, the fruit seems mythical, but no actual saying... 07:39, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Should we make the assumption ourselves? Like Chiqicheetah is a Zoan based on how he seemingly transforms, or so many unnamed Devil Fruit users are Paramecia simply they cannot transform into an element. 07:22, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

No need to speculate. What's currently on the page is fine. 05:07, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

We've never seen a normal zoan or ancient zoan add powers beyond that of a normal animal, so I think it's safe to say it's mythical given the aging powers. 15:08, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'd rather we not speculate about something like this when we don't really need to at all. 02:40, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really consider saying it's a mythical zoan to be speculation, to be honest. From SBS Volume 60:


 * D: Oda sensei--, what is Fleet Admiral Sengoku's ability? I'm real curious. P.N. SOD


 * O: Yeah yeah, if ya ask me normally, I'd easily answer. That is. It actually appeared immensly easily, but it's the same as Marco's. Mythical Zoan-type, Hito Hito no Mi, Model "Daibutsu". I don't know about Buddha being human or mythical beast, but it's a species classification. Forgive me.

If Oda's on the fence about Buddha being human/mythical, then I think it's safe to say a vampire is clearly the latter. In a very early SBS Oda set out the basic conditions for a fruit being paramecia/zoan/logia, and we apply them ourselves to unclassified fruits. There's no reason not to do that here. 03:00, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, given what's already been said, go ahead and classify it as mythical. 04:24, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Sigh, speculation is wrong, but do whatever you want. 08:21, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Put "Probably it is mythical" or something in the trivia section. But we cannot classify it as mythical. --Klobis (talk) 10:05, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Speculation Our speculation rules say we cannot add it. SeaTerror (talk) 15:29, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ehh, on second thought, I agree with Klobis. 15:45, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

But isn't vampire mythical by common sense? 03:30, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

There is a sphinx or basilisk in that world. --Klobis (talk) 06:05, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah.. those are mythical creatures in our world, so this fruit being mythical is not 100%. 05:09, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Any counter arguments to Klobis' point? 05:24, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well, can't argue with sphinxes and basilisks. Still, dragons and centaurs are all artificially created. 05:33, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Not all dragons are artificially created. Some of them live in Wano, don't they? 07:05, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

The one from Monsters was real. SeaTerror (talk) 15:52, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Any more arguments from the mythical side? 04:14, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

In Oda's concept art of Red in Color Walk 6, "mythical beast vampire" is written. --Klobis (talk) 00:29, January 7, 2014 (UTC)