Talk:Hie Hie no Mi

We should change the page back to the way it was with the pictures of the ability being used. It made the page very much more interesting and was colorful. We should also think about doing the same for the sand sand fruit.

Daniel


 * We're not a fansite nor a gallery. And we use everything here under free use acknowledgements.  You use too many, the question arises as to why it was ness. to use that many "free" images.  And using them for decoration is suppose to be a "no-no".  --One-Winged Hawk 22:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Some of the pics could be brought back but only if subsequent editing is done to allow them. If there is none then the images alone will overcrowd the article. It would be like a book with only pictures and no words. Nice to look at but little to no explanation.Mugiwara Franky 02:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OK then. I see no problem in putting them back the way it was. And what do you mean I use too many? What the hell is that supposed to mean? It is ness. because we should see what it's like when the ability is used. I don't see a problem with that.


 * You need as image that does the job well enough. Many images wouldn't surpass as demostrations of a technique because they don't really show the technique well enough.  A GOOD image on this site is Robin's wing technique.  An example of poor one would be an image showing her in the process of making it (as it could be any move she is forming at this stage).  Failing this, a gif would do that shows the full technique in action is undoubted as a good way of getting the job done (but not always a youtube vid... They touch the copyright more then anything, may be removed without warning, too poor in quality, cause big layout problems half the time... :-.


 * As for too many images... All images are copyrighted. There is laws for that.  You can get away with a certain percent, but you know there are a lot of sites breaking the law out there who don't even realise it.  (Manga V.2, Onemanga, etc are prime examples).  The way the net is, most of these sites remain because no one from the legal copyrights have shut them down.  Basically, we have the same or simulair rules to wikipedia; you can't have a huge demostration table with images and text next to each other on wikipedia, I know I tried and so have others. What we did with those same images (put them across 50+ different pages) is allowed.  But one of the reasons I never resurrected the orginal table was for this reason.


 * But apart from too many copyright image, the article itself can suffer for too images. The first problem is layout. Its harder to work with a dozen images then just one because they stretch out the pages and you have to think harder how to make it work.  In some instances it can make the page look pretty... But really scrufty at the same time.  That means its harder to read half the time.  The image should be used to confirm text and/or show what can't be portrayed in words.


 * Basically, its a case of using the right image in the right place. At the end of the day, the wikia isn't a fansite and if you want one of those there is plenty out there.  This wikia is part of a group forming a huge project aiming at one thing, and while we have control over the wikia, they have even more controls over things.  If they came in and removed a page or an image, there isn't a thing we can do about.  One of the reasons for "report page" is to report pages which happen to have too many free images.  (The other is; reporting pages that are just full of rumours, vandalism, bugs with the page, links to illegal sites, things like this, basically if no one in the community can or will fix it after asking, this forces something to happen). This is the sad side of how wikis work.  :-(


 * The only thing you can say is "other wikias them". And this is TRUE.  However, what many of the editors doing these things are unaware of is that they are doing something wrong.  (esp. youtube things, showing a amuteur video of a one of the editors breaking an egg; okay.  Uploading a documentry of a professional chef breaking an egg; not okay).  And if they ever get pulled up on it, there will be questions and arguments, just as things happen on wikipedia, only not ness. in the same results or context.  Most of time when I've seen other wikias get pulled up on it, the thing was remove/changed without any hassles afterwards.  I don't know if anyone knows of any cases where something big happened, they can talk and say what happened... Thats the only part I can't talk about, I can talk about the "what may" happen and "why its like this" parts but I can't tell you "what has" happened before bits.   --One-Winged Hawk 07:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)