Talk:Mary Geoise

Name
Why is it called "Mariejois"? Everywhere else I look, mostly Wikipeida, it's spelled "Mariejoa". Could someone redirct all the "Mariejoa" article to this one? ...Hey, how do you redirct an article, anyway?


 * Create an article called Mariejoa and add the following text


 * #REDIRECT Mariejois


 * Anyway, I don't know which would be more suitable. Best to discuss the name with some others.Mugiwara Franky 03:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay thanks.

-BF202, December... Funny, aroound here it's Decebmer 15th right now. Eh, whataver.

Question
"The earliest known history that Mariejois was around in 1127 when the King of Lyneel has to request permission from Mariejois to enter the Grand Line. "

Okay,where DID this come from?

User:New Babylon

Volume 31, chapter 292, page 129:

[Five years later, in the Lvneel Kingdom]

King: Mariejoa has finally given us permission to enter the Grand Line. So I want you to head an expedition ship once more.

First, it's five years after Norland visited Jaya and it was 1122. Five years later is 1127.

Second, Mariejois was mentioned by the king in 1127 which is the earliest in the story's timeline, unless Oda confirms that Mariejois is 800 years old then we'll type it in. It was known that Mariejois was around 400 years ago but just because it's earliest does not mean it was build in this time. That means it was earliest known date, so if say Oda has someone say "500 years ago, Mariejois request them to go there" then that would be an new earliest known date. How long Mariejois is around is unknown so we have to stick to the historic known date to avoid speculation/predications and assumptions until Oda confirms the founding date.

Joekido 22:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * He has a point... And I can confirm on what he says, but it needs the ref code placed there (if it isn't). This is why I've been trying to bring the chapters up to date, when I have time. It's a slow progress, yes I know, but it gives me a chance to make solid some of our articles with ref codes. We STILL have this habit there left over from wikipedia.


 * I can do a few needed chapters out of order, if need be. If there is a chapter anyone would like me to do to back up something, left a note on my talk page. One-Winged Hawk 22:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I followed the reference, but the manga doesn't mention Mariejois. --68.251.38.68 10:20, September 26, 2009 (UTC)Vincent.

2 years later, someone asked this question. Which translation are you reading it from?

Joekido 10:39, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

I looked at a lot of different websites(don't know if different website equals different translation) but they all pretty much say the same thing. I've been to Onemanga and Mangafox(the only ones I remember) and they say the king is the one giving permission.--68.251.38.68 11:44, September 26, 2009 (UTC)Vincent

you're all mixing something up. Mariejois wasn't mentioned by the king, it was mentioned when Norland and his crew left Jaya in chapter 291. Stephen translated it this way: "Noland: Then let's get going! Set course for Mariejois, and send word to North Blue!! We're headin' home for Lvneel!!"Poseidome 16:20, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

10 000 metres above Fishman Island
How is this possible, Fishman Island is 10,000 meters below the sea, which would require the city to be at sea level. 76.108.154.225 17:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Tis a mistake. The mistake was made based on likely on the fact that Fishman Island is 10,000 meters underneath sea level. Since the city is above Fishman Island, a misinterpreted distance was made without taking into consideration of the inclusion of mountain height.Mugiwara Franky 17:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Fisher Tiger's actions
I made a slight amendment to the section regarding what Fisher Tiger did and I would add a reference to that section but, alas, I can't make heads or tails of the citing system so could I ask anyone who can to just add the reference (It's vol. 59 chapter 623 and has no amine ep. yet) thanks.Petronec 03:51, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 03:55, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Name
Why should it be Mariejois? I will move it to Mariejoa. --Klobis (talk) 09:24, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

No you won't. You will discuss it first and state why. SeaTerror (talk) 09:25, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

If anything, it should be Mariejoie. The name is clearly at least somewhat French in origin, and joie would be the proper French spelling. 09:28, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

I think scanlations use to spell it that way actually. SeaTerror (talk) 09:30, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Any idea why they changed? Was it romanized somewhere? 09:33, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe because of the Funimation spelling? Or maybe it was romanized somewhere but I don't know where. SeaTerror (talk) 09:36, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Bump. We need to get this settled, as there are a few scanlation images that may or may not need to be edited depending on how we spell this. Also worth noting is that according to the page, FUNimation uses "Marie Jois" not "Mariejois". 16:33, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Viz spells it Marijoa. 20:39, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Bump. 04:26, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

I thought this discussion was resolved? 08:48, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Me too. I thought the decision on it was to not take any action until we get something a bit more concrete. What gives? 17:29, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Bump, if it's "Mariejois", then wouldn't it be pronounced as "Marījoisus" in Japanese? Pronounced "Marījoa", it equates to Marijoa. 09:21, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

It was probably meant to be French, then "Mariejois" would be pronounced like "Marījoa".
 * 海賊☠姫 (talk) 09:35, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Ah crud, I don't know French enough for that. 07:00, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

Renamed
Hey why rename it Mariejois to Mary Geoise this might be a translation error Cdswalkthrough (talk) 18:50, June 1, 2018 (UTC)

Jaimini's Box stated in a translation note that Oda indeed spelled it that way in the raw manga. Kaido King of the Beasts (talk) 19:02, June 1, 2018 (UTC)

https://orojackson.com/threads/one-piece-chapter-906-spoilers.52680/page-63#post-3338696 Rhavkin (talk) 19:04, June 1, 2018 (UTC)

A translator can sometimes make a mistake just so you know it may stay like that in the magazine format Cdswalkthrough (talk) 19:44, June 1, 2018 (UTC)

Wasn't it stated as a side note by translators that this weird spelling could just be an error made my Oda and is nothing official so far? We all should know very well that Oda fucks up English spelling A LOT, he did it various time throughout the plot already without even realizing it by himself (or simply not caring much about it). Oda even stated it several times that he has a struggle with the right English spellings (due to the differences of English pronunciation and English spelling). It would be just wise to wait until the chapter will be reprinted in the volume's release which will surely feature the true official spelling of the name. Tier Harribel-san (talk) 20:57, June 4, 2018 (UTC)

No, we change it to whatever the official magazine version is for the time being. If the tankobon shows different later, then we change it. If another magazine chapter goes different spelling again, then we debate. For now, we keep it as Mary Geoise. 00:54, June 5, 2018 (UTC)

The page needs to be renamed correctly, once and for all
This is an English-language website, primarily covering the English translation of the original Japanese media. As such, it should use the official English terminology for its pages. Thus, the name of this area of the world should be spelled "Marijoa." It's been spelled that way in the official manga volume releases by Viz for years and years now. The last comment on this talk page was: "we change it to whatever the official magazine version is for the time being. If the tankobon shows different later, then we change it." Well, the tankobon has shown different later, so now it's time to correct this mistake. How do we go about doing this?

This is an English-language website covering Japanese media, not the English translation of that Japanese media. For more information on how we determine translations, see here.

The last comment in the previous discussion was about an English-language spelling provided by Oda in the original Japanese manga, not about how VIZ translated the name. Walrsu (talk) 06:48, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the link to the translation convention page, I looked around for it but didn't come across it myself. Also, I apologize for my apparently incorrect assumption that this wiki was focused on the English translation; at least it gave you a good opportunity to copy and paste a sentence out of that article! =P

Okay, so first, why is it this wiki's stance to go by Oda's transliterated spellings when he himself admits he doesn't know how to spell? If he makes a licensing agreement with translators to release it in a different language, I think the translators' word should be the officially accepted spelling - he's literally given them license to decide that. I'm not saying that should be the case for absolutely everything, mind you, I mean just in certain circumstances, like this one. The translation determination page says that "we will seek to communicate names in the most accurate way possible," but this spelling doesn't accomplish that. It looks like it should be pronounced differently with the current spelling than it actually is.

Second, since that is the wiki's current stance, can it be shown that the "Mary Geoise" spelling has been used in the tankobons since the article was last renamed to go off the magazine chapter spelling? Or has it been changed, as was suggested previously to be a possibility? KelpTheGreat (talk) 05:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

It was decided to use Oda's romanizations due to the inconsistent translations, if I'm not mistaken - VIZ, Funimation (sub & dub), 4Kids, and Odex don't always use the same translation, so relying on official sources is inconsistent at best. While Oda's also not always consistent, at least it's an inconsistency from a primary source, rather than what a translator came up with. Even if it's not perfectly translated, it's likely to be closer to Oda's original thoughts. In most modern cases, how VIZ translates a name does influence how we spell it, especially as they've gotten more accurate; Oda's romanizations just take priority if they're available.

I can confirm that the Mary Geoise spelling was kept in the volume. It originates from chapter 906, so it would have been listed here if it had been changed (though, to be clear, I did just check again). Walrsu (talk) 08:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

IMO, Funimation's spellings should be disregarded, because they're an anime source, so they're likely to be making up spellings based on how words sound, as opposed to reading the actual written word. (Although I do grant you that it's possible for a made-up spelling to at least better reflect how a word is pronounced, and it can be difficult to tell how a word is pronounced just from reading it - but we're talking spelling here, not necessarily accuracy between written words and spoken.) 4Kids should be disregarded because it's 4Kids. I've actually never heard of Odex before, so I don't have an opinion on that. Again IMO, the VIZ manga publication is the definitive English source for spellings. But I guess I can't really prove that, mainly because I just don't have the energy right now to devote to such a project/discussion. I thought this would be a quick and easy change, but it's more complicated than I anticipated, so I'll have to leave it alone for now at least.

That said, I really think that "Mary Geoise" is just about the worst possible spelling to convey how the word is pronounced. It looks like it should be pronounced "mair-ee gee-oh-is/gee-oys/gee-oh-ice". The actual pronunciation is "mar-ee-joe-uh." KelpTheGreat (talk) 03:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

It is likely derived from "Bourgeoise" where the "geoise" part is pronounced like the latter. 23:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)