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Hereje015·9/12/2022 in General

Devil fruits and haki

Ok so this post is based on what Law said when fighting Big Mom and Kaido, that he couldn't move them around because they had "insane haki"

This statement brings up some questions regarding devil fruits and haki, that I will ask here and see if they can be answered

Does this work with every fruit

Law's overpowered fruit needed a counter, and haki became it, but does this apply to other fruits, like Sugar's or Boa's, 2 other fruits that would be a guaranteed oneshot if not.

This concept of haki counters fruit could be the same concept that makes haki the way to touch logia users, but toned up to straight up canceling the fruit's effect, in wich case it could expand to all other fruits, making you basically inmune to every fruit effect

2. Does this apply just to people, or if they infuse haki in objects, will the objects be inmune as well

We know that infusing an object with haki will allow it to hit logia users, and if we say this is the same effect but toned up, then this should be true with this effect too, wich would make swordsmen able to fight Kid, or anyone who uses a weapon in general fight Law

3. Does it depend on the user's and the victim's haki, or just on the victim

When Law made the statement, he just said "they have absurd haki", he didn't mention his haki, but Law isn't known for being a proficent haki user, and since you can infuse basically anything with haki, it would make sense you can infuse your devil fruit powers with haki too, making it harder to be countered

Luffy's fight with Kaido could confirm this, since Kaido was goofy as well, but this could be because Oda was just drawing the fight like that, or simply because it's the sun god nika so he bypasses haki or some shit, we never know with main characters

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ASimon24·9/12/2022

Imo the stronger haki wins. Like enma infused with haki from Zoro could cut Doflamingo birdcage. Or Mihawk could cut it.

Haki is based on willpower so I would think the stronger will could counter. But it would be contingent on the user using it. Like in dressrosa Luffy didn't know Sugar ability so he would've been caught off guard and it would've worked . On the other hand if he was already exuding haki then I think the stronger will wins

(Edited by ASimon24)

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Hereje015·9/12/2022

The thing is, let's say we can measure haki in a scale from 1 to 100(this will be weird)

Somebody eats Sugar's fruit, and has 50 haki, and he tries to use his fruit in somebody with 51 haki, but it doesn't work

Does that make sense? I don't really think it does, I think the fruit itself also bumps up the "haki needed" to counter it, so for example, if somebody with 50 haki has Sugar's fruit, it'd require at least, let's say, 70 haki to counter it's effects, and not just being a bit better in haki than the enemy

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ASimon24·9/12/2022

I would agree with that. I dont think it can be close either.

In theory if Ace's haki were stronger than Akainu's he probably wouldn't have got burned or not as badly since both df are heat based. But that wouldn't matter if the df cancel or counter each other like fire and ice, water/sand, electricity/rubber.

Like how BM lightening attack didn't work on Luffy and Kaido's blast breath didn't. Luffy told BM it was because he was rubber and when Kaido asked why fire didnt work either Luffy revealed he just tanked it. I would say that was due to his haki and natural endurance.

Whereas GB was demolished by Momo blast breath because I would imagine he wasn't ready for it so his haki wasnt active to tank it.

Basically it seems haki is just a natural counter to df if your haki is strong enough. We've seen characters coat their entire body or just parts to block attacks. Katakuri told Luffy there were also different degrees of haki so I guess it depends on the character 🤷‍♂️

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Batzel·9/12/2022

Also not all wills are the same. Blackbeard admitted the possiblity of losing to Boa's DF, and while we haven't seen much of him either, Boa easily used her DF powers on people of Vice Admiral rank. And also will doesn't stay the same, like Moriah is just a shadow of his past self (get it?) Haki is just willing something so hard it becomes true.

What do you think?