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Future Zoro opponent EOS > Previous Luffy victim half way of middle saga

@Charys Da 2nd I actually wanted to put Kaido on PK tier but was not sure but I guess I can put it as

Exhausted multi tasking Wano Kaido = Top Yonko

Fresh Kaido = PK Level

It's Ryuma

Base Luffy in return to Sabody negs the HXH verse. One Piece >>>>>>>>>>>> HxH in scaling

Also Zues being a small part of an emperors soul is not really proof as Zues does not share anything close to BM ap or attacks. in terms of Ap Zoro > Sanji >>>>>> Zues. AcoA still changes things.

No that’s completely false. S shark is not comparable to adult lunarian or Shawk due to being a prototype. That just means Shawk a more complete Seraphim is more durable then Sshark which was stated to be a prototype. But fine let’s go by the reasoning S shark = S hawk = King in durability.

So you use this image to say Sanji without haki damaged S shark right?

But why does this mean Sanji surpassed flame on seraphims durability are you basing of the look of s sharks face? Because that’s not good proof. Because this is s sharks look after Zues hit him

Same type of expression like the upper image with white eyes and marks. So either damaging S shark is easier to do then the other seraphims or king as s shark is a prototype or S shark can be stunned or pushed back with flame on mode but not entirely damaged. Basically like how act 1 Luffy was knocking around Kaido

'I agree Zoro can tank an Emperor's attack, when he is on guard. But that's not what I'm arguing, I'm not arguing that Zoro can't block Sanji's attacks if he could react Im arguing that if he can't which I believe I've provided a lot of evidence for the idea that he can't, then he wouldn't be able to survive it when he's not guarding. I also wanna bring up the idea that people don't seem to bring up a lot, which is that people that are weaker than people like Kaido and Big Mom might still have advantages in certain stats. Like Zoro on the rooftop with the on guard durability to tank attacks like Hakai. And Sanji through all facts shown would be faster than Kaido, would he win? God no, Kaido would outlast him and eventually catch him and at that point it's over. But the reason Zoro can't do that is because he can't take hits off guard and that Enma kills him after minutes of use.'

Again this point is not good as well it again heavily relies on the assumption Zoro needs to be on guard or that Sanjis speed is a blitz above Zoros when it’s not. Zoro could block Sanjis attack again while Sanji does take the speed advantage Zoro has reacted to characters faster then himself before like against awakened Lucci who was at time able to react to Luffys attacks. Zoros reaction speed gives him the ability to defend himself. Also Zoros endurance =/= his endurance is the same on or off guarded. Again when I mean endurance I don’t mean him blocking the attack I’m talking about the damage he received from a combined Yonko attack fused with their haki and still being able to use AcoA and his strongest attack while enma is taking his haki and stamina and after collapsing surviving a thunder bagua from hybrid Kaido. This shows Zoro has the endurance to out last Sanji in their battle. You did not prove at all that Zoro can’t react to sanji. You made a lot of assumptions that don’t really prove anything like assuming Sanji sensing invincible Queen had anything to do with a character's combat speed when that is something observation haki takes care of. Seriously tho sensing an invisible character has nothing to do do with your own speed now being able to see someone that's moving so fast they become invisible does have to do with reaction speed but with Queen he had a camouflage mode and went invisible. So sensing him does not mean Sanjis combat speed is a blitz above Kings it means Sanji has much better observation then King. And the point with comparing seraphims speed to Kings is terrible as Seraphims are NOT as fast as King feat wise. Easy way to prove so is King in speed mode was faster then Zoro in a pure 1v1 but against S hawk Zoro could fight him while juggling/keeping Kaku and Lucci safe showing that king is faster then Seraphims. On or off guard Zoros endurance remains the same. Except Zoro did not have the durability to tank hakai your confusing defense durability and endurance all in one when it’s not the same. Zoro having 30 bones broken shows that he did not tank the attack but endured it. Sanji is in NO WAY faster then Kaido at all literally no facts can prove that. Sanji = gets blighted by on guard Nusjuro while Luffy out maneuvers any of the gorosei even when outnumbered. G5 >>>> Sanji in speed and Kaido while with extreme exhaustion and damage from previous battles was outmaneuvering and hitting G5 Luffys plenty of times

In speed Hybrid Kaido >>>>>>>>>>> Current Sanji. Kaido would one tap and blitz ANY of the straw hats minus G5 Luffy. Hybrid Kaido is Faster + Future sight. Enma does not kill Zoro post onigashima ad not as bad as on the rooftop the stuff involving Zoro almost dying was not mainly from enma but from Kaidos attacks and Big moms and then piled with Kings as well as the medicines affects. Again Sanji does not blitz Zoro and Zoros endurance as well as any characters is the same on or off guarded.

And on the last point. The problem is your confusing push back for damage or permanent damage. Sanji and Zues did knock and throw around S shark and mangled his face up good which shows they overpowered him but With Lunarians and seraphims this can happen attacks can get them sent flying or knocked back but it does not mean they received permanent damage in invincible flame on mode again refering to Luffy vs Kaido act 1 where Luffy gave Kaido the same face but did not do permanent damage

The attack zues used did not work again you can push back a character or knock them on the ground but that does not mean their durability has been broken. Example looking at act 1 Luffy he’s knocking around dragon kaido and gives Kaido the white eyes but it’s canonically stated that Kaido received no damage. You can knock a character down or push them back or in OP case hit them giving them white eyes and marks but that does not mean you broke through their durability. Lighting coming of the body is not really a sign of damage as again we see S shark can still fight perfectly fine as if nothing happened. Sanji easily overpowered S shark and sent him flying with a nameless kick but that does not mean Sanji can just surpass Kings flame on defense mode. But ok S hark was down and looked worse then Kaido did in act 1 so I'm most likely wrong about the S shark point so Sanji can damage flame on S shark with his attacks and ap and Sanjis ifrit jambe ap > Zoros ap without using enma/haki but still Zoro using enma or AcoA puts Zoros Ap > Sanjis ap and Zoro >= Sanji going back to the middle part of my argument. And S shark is not equal to Shawk. Zoro and Sanjis AP are close relative even but with AcoA onto Zoros ap Zoro takes the Ap advantage.

Zoro extreme diff.

I have Sanji > Sabo. Sabo fan hype can get real annoying with people claiming he admiral level but I don't see him more or less then middle YC1 level.

Sanji blitzes and one taps

'This alone puts at least one of the child Seraphim with the same durability as King as that's about as direct of a line as you can draw between two points. Assuming then that this draws across the speed as well whereas Zoro landed an attack on Flames Off King with difficulty Sanji without his Germa Genes using just the Disable Jambe did the same thing to S-Shark when his Flames were Off and with far more ease. Remember that from there he can stack his Germa Genes which made him go from perceptible to Queen to invisible, then he can also add the Diable Jambe to speed up further and of course his ace in the hole the Ifrit Jambe which is a further speed boost.'

Except S shark does not equal to King as full grown lunarian > child Seraphim > Prototype Seraphim which is what S shark was stated to be so using S shark as a comparison to King does not work. Again in speed King > S shark they have similar blood but that does not mean their 100% equals in stats. King shows better speed then S shark. Again yes Sanji is undoubtedly faster then Zoro but your over exaggerating the speed gap. Zoro has the reaction time to react and defend himself this is not a flash vs aquaman speed difference.

'I also want to clarify that I don't think Sanji could beat a Seraphim with their flames on permanently or outpower Zoro with his max AP. What I am saying is that he can outdo the damage output of Kings explosion which Zoro said would have killed him if he didn't react by coating all of his body in Armament Haki. So given Sanji can hit harder than that explosion and Zoro can't react to defend himself then the result would be a Sanji victory'

Except that feats > statements Zoro said that explosion could of killed but before we saw Zoro survived standing in front of Kaido and Big moms combined forces and just one of those guys is > King. And even saying Law got him out fast he was still hit by the attack and still could push to his limits and use 9 sword style and conquerors in that condition and still living after being thunder bagua'd by hybrid Kaido. Again Zoro CAN react as he's reacted to characters faster then he himself is due to his reaction time like with awakened Lucci. Zoro has the reaction time to react and he's shown the endurance to push all out after being hit by Kaidos attack. So no due to both Zoro and Sanji having the ap to surpass each others durability but Zoro having the edge in ap and with a 2 to 1 haki advantage and having the edge in endurance which is the stat that matters most in this type of battle the result is Zoro winning

Also Sanji didn't do more to S shark than Zoro to King they hoth did about relative affect. Sanji kicking S shark pushed him back and knocked him away which is the same affect Zoro had against flame on King the thing with flame on is that it blocks permanent damage so Zoro and Sanji AP wise had equal damage on flame on mode Lunarian/Seraphim one did not do better then the other. And while I can agree Sanji knock back on flame on mode S shark showed more force and a bigger effect on flame S shark we can't forget Kings body in wano due to being full grown is above the Seraphims. Sanji performed better against flame on Seraphim but that doesn't chabge the results of this fight. So in terms of AP Sanji and Zoro are still relative to each other and extremely close to one another

Both have relative ap

Sanji has speed and Durability

Zoro has Endurance and haki (2/1 advantage)

@Marcus Mattson

Yeah no these are bad points

1. Sanji fans thinking speed is the end all be all to fights lmao. Sanji may be faster but in no way has the speed to the point to blitz around Zoro. Zoro has kept up and reacted to characters with similar combat speed and faster then him not just speed mode King but also characters like Awakened Lucci who at times coukd still react to Luffy who in any form is the fastest SH.

2. Sensing Queen has nothing to do with sanji being faster or how he uses speed it proves Sanji has better observation which was already established but the there's Zoro with better armament and Conquerors/Acoc giving him the haki advantage and while haki isn't an instant win card it is an undeniable advantage. Even with awakened Sanji he's not doing better against Zoros ap unless you want to say Sanji's germs durability is above hybrid Kaido. Zoro can still cut Sanji and using KOH or Asura Zoro ends Sanji in ANY area not just a vital one a solid hit from KOH zoro or ashura will defeat Sanji. Also you complain about him not mentioning awakened sanji but your forgetting rooftop Zoro barley unlocked the ability to use Acoc and on top of that was heavily damaged from blocking a yonko attack and at 1% health and hadn't gotten full control of enma. With Zoro vs Sanji Endurance is the most important stat here as both characters have the ap to surpass eachothers durability and have the reaction time to react to eachothers speed. Zoro takes Endurance as he could still push to his limits using Conquerors while Enma was draining him after blocking Kaido and Big moms attack even if it was for a second he still was in the way of the attack and stopped it from hitting the others

3. I like how sanji fans think that just because sanji has the speed advantage they assume it's a blitz type gap no just no Zoro has the reaction time to defend himself from Sanji's speed the characters sanji has genuinely perception blitzed in a true 1v1 is Queen who has shown no speed feats above Speed Mode king.

4. Again no this is just you something is a certain way when it's not. Zoro is not so much slower he's unable to hit Sanji. Zoro has shown hmthe reaction and combat speed against characters like awakened lucci that he ahas the speed to fight back and at least hit Sanji. Also The more important point is that Zoro out lasts Sanji in this battle with greater Endurance while sanji does have a healing factor its shown to repair broken bones but nothing on wolverine level healing. Your assuming stuff that's false. Zoro has the reaction time to defend himself and Sanji isn't so much faster that he can avoid every single attack

Zoro wins against Sanji extreme diff there showing against Nusjuro proves that even further Zoro >= Sanji

Let's see who's fire burns hotter. I'll take Sanji due to speed and showing better Haki use. Ace might forget to use his haki....

Broken genetics vs broken DF which one takes the W?

Robin with her Demonio Fluer

Franky with his Shogun armour

Brook with his ice and soul music VS The plague who would win? I’d say they could beat someone like Jack together but Queen may be out of their league