So, OPN, It has come to the current chats attention, which consists of Me, DP, Panda, IH, ST, NWW, Jade and a few others, that your actions have become in excusable and might result in a ban, you have started many edit wars and have insulted many people. Please discuss. OPN we gave you so many chances, couldn't you take one! 00:04, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with banning OPN. He has insulted many users and it is unacceptable. Also, he get's into to much fights with other users.
Tucky if this is serious, you dissappoint me. So if this is serious, I'd like to reply to you. I haven't started many edit war, I have started in a period of over three months several discussion from which most become arguments however I personally wouldn't call them wars, none of them where as big as the thousand sunny one and most of them have been resolved well all of them have cooled down. Like I told different people I am a person who likes to change things and for that change there needs to be discussion and those will lead in to arguments and in arguments mean and harsh things can be said and have been said however after the argument is done/has cooled down I always go back to the person to explain my side and if need be (and they need has been there quite some times) I apologize for my behavious and freely admit my mistakes. I haven't had as many so called edit wars as several other users (think similar forum). Also I am not that quick actually to insult people, several users on here like to insult people but I am not one of them. To wrap things up I am a person who thinks very logically and I know since I am that way that it will cause conflict however knowing that I also know how to deal with did and I don't stay mad or angry at anything longer then a day, after a nights sleep I am always calm and collected again. And in that state I will go over what I did and act accordingly. Which is to say if I did something wrong I will apologize. PS: Calu when did I insult you.(OnePieceNation 00:23, April 23, 2012 (UTC))
- TL;DR: I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't have any edit wars and I didn't insult anybody (Editors notice: LOL) Opn tl;dr bot 08:30, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
You have never insulted me, but in blogs I have seen that insulted other users such as THT and MDM.
The prosectution cites your latest blog to defend their point.00:29, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
You're the only one who mentioned the chat. SeaTerror 00:37, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Calu, the blogs have a different social setting then the rest of the wikia and in the case of MDM I have extensively apalogized to him and the thing between me and THT is meant only jokingly I call him stupid belgian and he can call me stupid dutchman.
DP, my latest blog is there for two reason A; to get feedback from the community to improve myself and B to jokingly poke fun at the negative things I have been involved in, the whole sections in italics isn't to be taken that seriously.
Everyone else: Please learn that I am not a hostile person I am a very stubborn and way to logical thinking person just like NinjaSheik and ton of other users. However unlike those kind of users I will always realize when I have crossed a line and have gone to far, and after a nights sleep I will always apologize to people I have wronged. The reason I got into for you so many edit wars is because I want to bring some change to this wikia and I'd like to take initiative and yes some of them like totally redoing all the chapter character tables go unnoticed while other like updating the character list go for the most port unnoticed and some like the captainstemplate do get noticed. This fact of wanting to change things will get anyone into trouble and into discussion, arguments and edit wars but that is no reason for banning them. Only people who intentionally mess up the wikia dissirve to be banned. Not people who like me make mistakes because the want to change things and can get to passionate (including to harsh and mean) about a subject.
To wrap things up because I tend to be to lenghty and I am currently working on that issue. I'd like to hereby openly apologize to anyone who might feel misthreated, threated badly, insulted or otherwise feels hurt or attacked by me. Hurting people is at all not my intent. So to everyone I say sorry for being such a handful and stubborn person. (OnePieceNation 00:50, April 23, 2012 (UTC))
- TL;DR: I only want to help the wikia, I shouldn't be banned for wanting to change things, I'm trying to learn how to condense information better (Editors notice: Yup that sure is working well) Opn tl;dr bot 08:30, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Here I will list all the instances where he attacked profile pages:
With this amount of evidences, I agree with OPN being banned.
09:26, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't call that attacking. Edit wars are the worse violation.
09:29, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Evan that isn't attacking all the example you give besides the last one are from before you send me that message all those six times I didn't realize, that what I was doing was wrong, forbidden and unwanted. After that I stopped doing edits on other peoples profile pages,so what amount are you talking about, remember the only one I did after that was on seaterrors page, which I intended to remove as quickly as possible but which I sadly forgot, due to being wrapped up in the user talk and profile/ninjasheik discussion.And yes I am sorry for making forgetting about that, but then again I am only human. (OnePieceNation 21:21, April 23, 2012 (UTC))
- TL;DR I stopped after you told me to, except on my archenemy because I forgot Opn tl;dr bot 21:47, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Even so, you shouldn't have done that. I honestly don't really cares about my goals, I just want to have fun on the wikia, and help the wikia too. You really should not edit other people's profile, because it's personal, and up to their decision if they want to put anything on it or not, NOT yours. I thought that is common sense. Apparently, it is not. 21:27, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
I understand now that I shouldn't have done it and I apologize for that. But please understand that edit to you wasn't meant to cause harm it only did that to both congratulate you for reaching a 1000 edits and to encourage you to keep going and strife for more. I didn't do that to upset you or make you angry Jade and if I did I am truly sorry about that. (OnePieceNation 21:41, April 23, 2012 (UTC))
- TL;DR I only did it to make you feel special Opn tl;dr bot 21:47, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
While a do believe that OPN can be rather annoying at times, I don't think it's ban worthy. All he's doing is try and help the wiki, even if it is less than an...admirable fashion. I say give him a little more chances. --05:24, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
Bump. We still hadn't reached a decision about this yet.22:02, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
jade if the forum falls silent the topic has fallen silent meaning it is no longer a point of interest. All other similar forums are the same. (OnePieceNation 22:10, May 12, 2012 (UTC))
but it has been over two weeks already. (OnePieceNation 22:23, May 12, 2012 (UTC))
I say we ban him.22:30, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
that'is just harsh and unfair of you panda, saying this on an old forum without listing any reasons as to why,and withour realizing that his forum has already served a purpose. Namely bringing it to my attention that several people didn't like several things I was doing and talking those things out with them. (OnePieceNation 22:39, May 12, 2012 (UTC))
Lets just do a poll and get this forums over with =_= .. if these has been difference in OPN's behavior during the span of this forum then the members of the wiki will decided upon their observation of OPN. Just leave it to OP wiki members like we always have .. if before the poll OPN wants to say his piece of mine on how he thinks he has improved after creation on this forum then that will be perfect. If he thinks that he didn't needed to change cause he did nothing wrong in first place then let it be that .. instead of dragging this lets just end it with a poll. Same goes for Tuck's forum .. lets end that one with poll as well >_> .. I think its about time22:51, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
MDM I get where you are coming from but please take a step back. Because both mine and tuckyd forum have become old news, things where said, things where discussed and then after a while the forum became inactive and that meant things were over. Like I said before this forum has already served a purpose and is no longer needed because I have indeed inproved myself and the threat and warning eminating from this forum has reached me very deeply. There is no need for a poll in my opinion because the issue has been dealt with and is over. All that needs to happen is closing not just tuckyd's and mine user ban forums but also all other user ban forums, because none of them are active anymore.(OnePieceNation 23:10, May 12, 2012 (UTC))
I bumped the forum because some of the users on the chat feel this need to be bumped, and this need to be resolved. A forum that had not been replied do NOT mean it is resolved unless it is archived. Last I checked, this is not archived yet. We really should resolve issues that are not resolved yet, or it'll look like we are slacking off.
I say we ban OPN. Though not forever. A few weeks, a few month, whatever. But not forever. You want the reason? Fine, here's some: you started some edit wars, insulted a lot of users here, "vandalized" some of user pages, and continued to do so, even when you was warned. Yes, I consider these edits you made on other people's profile pages vandalism. DP is right, we should not be afraid to ban users.23:35, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
First off when did I do any of that in the last two weeks, secondly this forum is the best warning anyone can get, thirdly yes I started several edit wars however after going over them I found out that most of them like 98 % where between me and seaterror since he had the urge (several weeks ago) to remove massive amounts of trivia including perfect solid trivia and that caused for a big increase in edit wars that I was part of. I mostly called people stupid, baka, fool or idiot I have only really insulted people on three occassion and I have always apologized for that to the both of them (dp two times and mdm one time) , I have never vandalized anything in my life all I did was edit user profile several times before I knew this was prohibted after I knew it only happened one more time and that was on seaterror page to check his edit stats (curiosity isn't vandalization). Last but not least a ban is an extremely serious matter for someone who is only doing his best to improve the wikia and should only be handed out to such a person after careful consideration, ample amounts of conversation and after community consent. (OnePieceNation 23:45, May 12, 2012 (UTC))
If you think this forum serves as a warning, then you don't get the purpose of the forum. This forum is here because you've already been warned. Calling people stupid or baka or whatever is still insulting them, even if you pretend you don't mean it. I remember you were told not to edit user pages at least once and continued to do so even after you were warned. 98% of the edit wars you were involved in you still fueled intensely and then you flip out and go to the talk page only after it's locked, then flame me for following standard procedure. You aren't sorry for what you did, you're sorry that what you did escalated this far and now your ass is on the chopping block. I too support a ban, one month minimum. It seems the community consents for the most part, and believe me, it's been considered and discussed amply.17:43, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
This is a stupid forum get over the fact that he's a little obnoxious and give him a chance. And if he doesnt listen delete this stupid forum and ban him for like two weeks, goshh you people make no sense and are so immature, I've met OPN and he seemed nice so I really don't understand this.--A Wikia Contributor 13:39, May 13,2012
People have more sides than a single one. We are not the ones that are immature, but more like you. Recklessly commenting on this forum on his behalf with the easily broken argument of "he seemed nice so I really don't understand this" have you even read this whole forum and seen how much evidence there is against OPN? I'm pretty sure you should have better just shut up. It was a big mistake to actually say something like this and call everyone that was offended by OPN "immature".
Also if that's you OPN, it is pretty pathetic and stupid to do such a thing.
Yes, I agree with DP in his post above. This forum wouldn't be here, if you had just followed the multiple warnings other users had given you. And insulting are still the same. "Really insulting", really? Even a small insult, such as calling someone "stupid" can hurt someone's feeling. Now, I know DP and MDM don't care about your insults, but it still matter.
And as for edit wars, ST and Panda was removing useless, boring trivia no one even give a crap about. They didn't removed any perfect solid trivia. It was only you who think that. Even after an admin undid your edit, you still refused to look at their side and undid his edit. I consider it vandalizing because you edited our profiles without permission. I don't know about the others' opinions on your profile edits, but for me, it's vandalism.
And as for the ban, why the hell you think we have a forum requesting you to be banned? Of course, we carefully considered, talked, and with the majority of users on the chat before making this forum. A simple vote as for OPN to be banned or not should be enough, in my opinion.19:02, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
"including perfect solid trivia" Lol. SeaTerror 19:23, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Did I say this forum was a warning no all I said was that it functions (not that it is) as the best warning anyone can get, not that it is a warning.
A lot of people on here call other people stupid, fool, baka etc don't act like I am the only one doing it a lot of users do it, if it needs to stop , then I will stop it, but that doesn't prevent other users from doing it.
The first time I was told not to edit user pages, all I got was that it was generally disliked not to it was a serious offense and a prohibited act. After that I did it two more times after which I got told off and this time I was told that it wasn't just not liked but that it was also forbidden. After that I made only one more slip up by editing in userstats in seaterror's profile which I forgot to remove. However after that I have never edited any user profile nor will I ever do so again.
After a lot of edit wars between me and seaterror I dicede to take it to the talk page a lot sooner and I took things to the talk pages on a lot of occasion and only two times was the page concerned locked. Furthermore don't make it sound that like going to the talk page to discuss something is a bad thing because it isn't also two things that where taken to the talk page where discussed by multiple member including yourself and in both case most of the people agreed with me, including youself dp.
I have never flamed you, though I have gotten seriously anger at you and said a lot of mean things, to you, but the next day after I had calmed down I apologized to you, And I don't apologize to someone unless I am sure that I am in the wrong. (I have never apolgized to seaterror)
How can you know what I feel if you reed my first comment here you realize that I was extremely shocked that my behaviour caused this forum into existence furthermore after this forum started and I started to talk things out both here and on chat, I have tried my hardest to improve myself and I have. But there is obviously still more things that I need to improve on.
Without a vote you can't know if the community consents and the amount of new messages here on tells me it sadly hasn't been discussed enough yet.
I don't know who you are but thank you for partily standing up for me.
I forgive you for thinking that that awc is me on account of you not knowing me. But please for the next time remember If I am reply back to someone expecially when it is such a grave matter as this I will never resort to using an other account or awc to uplift mysely since I am not that pathetic. And tend to give very lenghty answers (which is something I am trying to work on). Also a lot of the so called evidence against me is shady at best. Especially the part about me editing user profiles a lot, because I did it only one time by mistake after I was told it was not allowed.
If you skip ahead to this Jade, please first read sections 1,2,3 and 4 of my reply to DP because they adress the same issues, forum, insulting, user profiles, edit wars.
to expand upon edit wars doing something to help someone, encourage someone or telling someone off is all I did on user profiles, I told trolls and vandals off on their user profiles, I tried to encourage you to strife for more and I tried to help X-raptor by making a link. All of my edits on user profile where either out of curiosity (userstats) or out of (in the worst way possible) trying to help someone/;this wikia. But like I said before I have completely stopped that now and left it behind . And I will never ever do it again. Last calling it vandalizing for me is going way to overboard.
all I am doing is objecting the ban if you read my first comment here you realize how shocked I was/am and after reading this forum through you see me realizing all my wrongs but also defending myself against things that according to me have been made to big. Especially regarding the user profiles.
now to get to the vote, since this forum has been brought to life by you and things are obviously not over with, I think that now the ball is in DP's or your court to open a poll. Not in the court of others. (this goes for you seaterror).
how short your memory is and those of several other who agreed with me on several cases that some trivia, is actually solid trivia and needs to stay.
Please understand that I am really really sorry for all the mistakes I have made and the bad behaviour that I have done but I have learned from that, I do now know what I should and shouldn't do, how to resolve issues without letting it become an edit war and to not go into an angerfest against an admin for disagreeing with his methods.
(OnePieceNation 01:42, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
So what? You apologize and now you expect us to hold hands and sing kum bai yah or something? It doesn't work like that. There still has to be some sort of punishment. Remember, you apologized the last time this forum came up and look at where that's gotten us. Right back to where we started. Sorry as you may be, don't think you can get off this one bye saying sorry and walking away.16:37, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
If I have come over as a naive schoolgirl I apologize for that,Obviously I am not expecting to start living in the bloody sound of music where the hills are singing and everyone is smiling. This forum is more then punishment enough, and it had been death for two weeks before jade brought it back to live. Which now has proven to be necessary since not everyone saw things as being resolved. I have told you and others that I don't just walk away and actually want to discuss and resolve things and show the people here that I have changed, can change and will change. DP the ball is in your corner now, if you want to open a poll about my ban, please do so. (OnePieceNation 21:17, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
Yeaaaaaaah! One Piece Nation sssssssssuckssssssssUltimate Law of Kaitlyn 20:40, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
This poll will close at 00:00 on May 22, 2012. To vote you must have been here for at least three months and have at least 300 edits.
- Do you think OnePieceNation should be banned?
- 16:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
- 12:56, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r631/jaimini626/WatchOnePieceEpisode531EnglishSubbed-WatchOP1.png 12:17, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
- 14:21, May 17, 2012 (UTC) (Sorry, nothing against you OPN. I know you are a good editor, but due to your constant vandalism, I think you have to go for a while.)
- 14:35, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Bastian964 18:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
- 00:36, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
- 01:17, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
I'd rather not beat you to death with a slightly heavy silver spoon 20:09, May 19, 2012 (UTC) I've thought it over. A month, yeah, indefinite? Nah.
- 海賊☠姫 23:06, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
- 01:49, May 25, 2012 (UTC) It's pretty obvious by now how this is going to turn out.
- Troll King 23:52, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
- 00:06, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, 10-2, OPN will be banned. Now it's time to decide the duration of the ban.03:55, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
- How long OPN should be banned?
This poll will close at 00:00 on May 26th, 2012 as we want to make this quick. Again, the requirements are the same: you must have been here for at least three months and have at least 300 edits.
- One week
- Two Weeks
- 23:19, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
- 22:30, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Black Leg Sanji 01:10, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
- One month
- 01:37, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
01:18, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
- 02:19, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
02:25, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
- 19:12, May 25, 2012 (UTC) I have nothing personal against you, but I won't vote for two weeks just because you begged me to do it
- Two months
- 19:35, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
- I was about to stay neutral, but those lame new forums you made....
- User:X-RAPTOR 20:26, May 24, 2012 (UTC) lame new forums u made me change my mind its ur fault...
- 20:34, May 24, 2012 (UTC) I was going for 1 month but these forums..... Well, you know
- 20:55, May 24, 2012 (UTC) After seeing his treatment of Panda, two months.
- 海賊☠姫 23:06, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
- 23:18, May 24, 2012 (UTC) (I don't find this as cruel)
- 01:49, May 25, 2012 (UTC) Joining the little bandwagon here.
- 04:23, May 25, 2012 (UTC) (seeing his desperate begging is simply adding insult to injury, makes me wanna change my mind.)
- 04:34, May 25, 2012 (UTC) (bribery, vandalism, nominating a user to be banned just because he hates her and insulting users)
- 06:47, May 25, 2012 (UTC) Suck it up princess
- http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r631/jaimini626/WatchOnePieceEpisode531EnglishSubbed-WatchOP1.png 12:34, May 25, 2012 (UTC) you cant make a forum angains people you dont like (~.~0"
Time's up. 0-3-4-13. OPN will be banned for 2 months.03:55, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
I receive a message from OPN-kun on my talk page, and I would like to clarify something here. You may have noticed that I did not participate in this forum at all up to this point. The reason being I have nothing for nor against OPN. From since we first get to know each other until now, OPN and I have been sharing the same mutual respect towards each other. We do not have any serious argument / disagreement or the likes, as far as I can remember. So here I have nothing against him. However I am also aware of the constant arguments / disagreements that OPN has got himself into with other members of the wikia. And I have to say that at times he reacted a lot harsher than necessary (and uncalled for), and thus things turned out real ugly. For this, I also could not positively defend him for what he has done. Hence I don't anything for nor against OPN.
Therefore I choose not to participate in either the Ban Decision poll nor the Ban Duration poll. Apologies but I personally do not wish to be involved in this matter. ~~~~~ ~~~~~ 05:36, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Let the records show that I too did not participate in the poll due to my opinion about OPN is at neutral level .. not good, neither bad. Thou I had half of mind to vote for ban when he opened those 2 forums, but again .. I didn't need to. 18:38, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Why are people striking themselves out? I mean, I can see why you don't want to vote anymore, but wouldn't it just be easier to erase yourself from the poll? The striking thing just looks weird and makes it a bit harder to count votes, in my opinion.02:30, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
It shows changing vote, at least for me.07:44, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
Well, on one or two previous polls, I changed my mind by just removing my place from the poll then putting it on the new one, or removing entirely. If I wasn't supposed to do that...whoops.
It's not a big deal, I'm just a curious guy. Do whatever you want, I don't care.00:46, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
Users should never call another a "pretencious cunt". The context of the edit war doesn't matter, nobody should ever blatantly insult other users like this. It's inexcusable. Talk | 16:08, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
For crying out loud I am Australian and even I know never to use that word in the context OPN used it.16:28, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'll say it here:
I considered banning OPN straightaway, but then at least two users insulted him back. Either I ban them all, or none.
If this wiki wants clear rules about not insulting people (like, one warning then a ban, or something), then it should be discussed.
In the meantime, a ban forum is the only fair solution.
I do believe that a ban is necessary here. And it is true that other user's conduct in response to the situation was also not good. However, the cases of each user involved should be handled differently. In the case of OPN, he has been banned before for bad behavior (just look up), and I think this means that he should have been well aware of the way he should handle himself and his words here. His previous ban is his "warning" that some users on chat felt he should have before he gets banned again. In the case of the other users, I do not have the background knowledge to know if they've been warned for this kind of behavior in the past. Regardless, disciplinary action should be taken against all users involved, and in the case of OPN, I think that means a ban. Talk | 17:17, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
First off you should know I never insult anyone just straight out, I only insult people back and I only do it when the call me something worse the idiot, stupid, dumb, strange, weird and baka. It was pandawarrior who started with the insults by calling me a inbred moron. She just wants me gone and has yet again succeeding in opening a witch hunt against me. She knows far too well how to get me angry and make me look bad. Her evil hasn't changed a bit. My last ban has been gone for over half a year and this is now the third time I have come back and again had to deal with pandawarrior who just loves to make me look bad.
Secondly the height of your dubbel standard is surely amazing everytime a well liked member from this shitty community bleeps their ass off they get away with it but when a not so liked member does everybody is outraged and start asking for a ban which brings me to my
Third and final issue which is the ban itself Justsomedude how dare you open up a ban request based on just one incident while not knowing what has been going on between me and pandawarrior.
PS: Make that ban forum and adress that dubbel standard when it comes to insults.
OPN, if you're referring to ST, he got banned for 3 months.
You just need to calm down, nobody is witch hunting you, or against you, but the insult was uncalled for regardless.17:47, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
Panda is she started the insults.
ST got away with it many many many times before he was finally banned.
I was calm, I have come back after my ban two times before and every time I ran into Pandawarrior messing with me, no other members, just panda. She is clearly against me and she clearly wants me gone. Real insults are always uncalled for but if someone starts with it most people go along with it and do it back. (OnePieceNation (talk) 17:56, February 2, 2013 (UTC))
- Again dude, how did I start the insulting? 17:58, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
I started with the insulting? Biggest bullshit I've ever heard. Let's look at the edits shall we:
1. You calling me a pretencious (sic) cunt at 17:04 my timezone: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_canon_characters?diff=834785&oldid=834783
2. Me responding to your insult by calling you what i deem an appropriate name at 17:09 my timezone:http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:OnePieceNation?diff=834791&oldid=834778
Now pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease tell me how I started it. And yes OPN, I'm evil personified.
DAE THINK PANDA IS LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER?17:49, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
If you feel that Panda need to be banned, then open a ban forum for her. Who know? This time we might take that seriously.17:54, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
Alright you didn't start insulting me it seems, (this time) however you did in fact insult me back. And you did start messing with me, for no good reason over a very little thing. Just to get me angry it seems. (OnePieceNation (talk) 18:02, February 2, 2013 (UTC))
No I undid you because I fucking disagreed with your edit. I don't stay up all day thinking about how I can mess with you, I would have undone anybody in this situation, you really aren't this frickin special to me. As for insulting you back, I'm not Jesus, I don't turn the other cheek.18:04, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
(several edit conflicts make this a bit dated) This is a completely separate incident from anything that has occurred in the past. The first one to insult in this incident was you, with calling Panda a "cunt", which is a highly sexist and derogatory term. "Twat" is as well. Objectively, looking at the conduct of everyone involved in this situation, yours is by far the worst. You seem to be the one on some kind of witch hunt against Panda, citing mostly some kind of long-standing feud/grudge, while her responses are focused on actual content and discussion of issues (with some lesser insults thrown in).
Now, regarding our "double standard", since my coming here, I've tried to actually do things to remove it. And I'm not alone. The wiki has changed in your absence, and your behavior is no longer acceptable. It does not help us to move forward if you keep mentioning our past though. We are trying to move forward, and you can totally be a part of that and making sure that we are in fact respectful to all. You have rights as a user here, just like everybody else. But if you are going to be disrespectful to the wiki and its users, you will just be guilty of breaking the rules, and you will be banned.
And regarding my opening of this forum, I would have done it no matter who called someone a "pretentious cunt" in an edit summary. I have no "double standard". And I don't need to know what's gone on with you and Panda in the past to know that your sexist, derogatory, and highly insulting behavior is totally unacceptable here. It is just 100% unacceptable. Talk | 18:05, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
Justsomedude I hope that is true and partially I know it is true because several of my suggestions that I propossed to update the site were mercilessly shot down a long time ago for reason like the naruto wiki already does that, just to be implemented several months after I am gone. I know this place has changed, that is partially the reason why I have come back. Hoping that this time around changes can be made without everyone being against just because it is something new or something that has been done somewhere else. I'd like to make a fresh start and I can if pandawarrior leaves me alone. If she genuinely isn't out to witch hunt me she will leave me alone, even if I make an edit she doesn't agree with.If she has an issue with an edit I make then out of her goodwill I am asking her to go to any other member of this community to ask if they agree with her about said edit and to let them undo it if they agree with her. (OnePieceNation (talk) 18:21, February 2, 2013 (UTC))
I don't think that's a good idea at all. It limits her rights, while you were the one who behaved badly here. You're just going to have to trust that she's not out to get you, because that's the only way we can proceed fairly from here. Talk | 18:24, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
It is only a tiny bit limiting to her but it would be a great tremendous sign of goodwill to me and will prove she isn't out to get me or start a witch hunt. We both behaved badly. In the end it is up to her if she wants to take me up on my offer and extend her goodwill.
Yeah buddy, me getting permission before i edit stuff is just not gonna happen. You seem to be shifting all the blame on me for alleged witchhunts which is ridiculously stupid. I'm not the one going around calling other people pretentious cunts.19:00, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
it is not asking premission, it is avoiding trouble. Where do you read the word premission, don't twist my words, all I am asking from you is to avoid me when I make an edit and ask other people to handle it even when you 100 % don't agree with me. A goodwill avoision is all I am asking for. And to be petty you do go around calling people inbred. (OnePieceNation (talk) 19:22, February 2, 2013 (UTC))
If your edits are undid and you don't come up with obviously valid argumentations you use the talk pages. You don't just keep reverting. And guys, chill down... seriously, never saw so many users who take everything that is told to them on such personal level. I'm not talking about this case in particular, but this is the feeling I get every time there is a discussion here. When there is a discussion, you state your opinion and try to demolish other argumentations, that's all. No chit-chat.... I believe guys are starting to behave on the wiki like you do on the chat, which can be a problem. This is a more rational discussion, or see one of those from wikipedia or similar. I think you guys should start to use less slang and more real words, if you want to rant use a blog. leviathan_89 19:32, 2 February, 2013 (UTC)
Levi's right. There is no reason to keep an edit war going when there is a perfectly functional talk page on every page. If your edit is undone twice, then go to the talk page. ••PX15..•• 21:26, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
It IS part of our policy. Even if it wasn't, you should have enough maturity to go to it anyways.21:40, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
Now that we've had this lovely chat about everything that's wrong with this wiki, can we please get back on topic? OPN said something terrible, and there needs to be some kind of consequence for that. We don't need to talk about who else did X, or said Y, or in the context of Z, because the fact remains that OPN said something wrong. We can deal with other things in other places, but this forum is for addressing what OPN (and only OPN) has done. I still think there should be a ban, but if OPN is willing to "plead guilty" and apologize, then I think it can be rather short. (a week perhaps?) If OPN wants to contest it some more, then we should go about this as a normal ban forum, and account for his previous ban when figuring out the length. Talk | 22:21, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
So did Pandawarrior. One insult should never warrant a ban no matter who uttered it. Things have been discussed that is great, we have established that we should finally make a forum about what to say and what not to say. I am guilty of insulting pandawarrior as much as she is guilty of insulting me. If you are really that ban happy then you should ban us both and get it over with. (OnePieceNation (talk) 22:28, February 2, 2013 (UTC))
Other people have already insulted him, so banning would be stupid now.22:30, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
Panda insulted you once. You continued to insult her, and others in the fallout of this incident today. I don't care to link to every example here. And again, your insults to Panda are much more severe, because of the derogatory and sexist way in you insulted her. Discipline should be given to everyone involved, but I don't think that means bans for everyone. Talk | 22:34, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
She didn't insult me once and she harassed me wether intentional or otherwise (see I even go as far as giving her the benefit of the doubt) furthermore I have very bad history with her. Which others did I insult???? Sa far as I recall I did not insult anyone else. As long as people keep having an open dialogue words can accomplish far more then unrelenting discipline and bans born out of overreaction. No one should be banned for any insult no matter what the insult is. Only someone who continues to insults people left and right (after he or she has been warned) over a period of more then a few hours should be given the tiniest of bans. (OnePieceNation (talk) 22:50, February 2, 2013 (UTC))
Look at the top of this discussion, OnePieceNation. You called that to JustSomeDude.22:54, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
In the link in the top. The whole reason this is being discussed. 00:03, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
- Er, I think that was meant for Panda, not JSD..... 00:13, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
- I called panda that the history just shows justsomedude edit in between it. I believe it was clear to everyone I said that to Panda and not to JSD. I do believe correctly that JSD got that himself. I don't have anything against JSD, I don't even know the guy. You are just making things unnecessarily confusing nada. (OnePieceNation (talk) 00:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC))
- yeah it was meant towards panda anybody should have gotten that. (OnePieceNation (talk) 00:16, February 3, 2013 (UTC))
I'm just amazed that you're so nonchalant about calling a girl a cunt. Do you do that often?00:17, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
I specifically called panda that, not some girl, panda, the one person on this wiki you should know I hate the most and I called her that after what to me seemed to be harassment. Do you do that often? Off course not how immature can you be asking that. I know I can be pretty immature. But such a question is beneath you dp. (OnePieceNation (talk) 00:23, February 3, 2013 (UTC))
Ok, so you're alright with calling people cunts in general. Gotcha. Still not the best thing to do, though, especially when most people here are already against you. And I'll decide what's below me and when, thanks.00:28, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
like tywin lannnister once asked a random person : Can you read? Panda, panda, panda I only called panda that. No one else just panda and I would never just call anyone that ever out of the blue. PS: I made an observation about you not a declaration. (OnePieceNation (talk) 00:36, February 3, 2013 (UTC))
I don't know who that is, but you spelled the last name wrong. You sort of did call Panda a cunt out of the blue, so who's to say you'd stop with her? I'm just saying. If you're that quick to jump like that, the possibilities seem endless.00:40, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
Let's look at our interaction prior to you calling me a cunt: 1. Me undoing you 2. you undoing me 3. me undoing you again, without any personal comments 4. you undoing me 5. me making a snide nope, chuck testa remark 6. you calling me a pretencious (sic) cunt I really don't see anything in there that constitutes mistreatment or harassment, until you randomly decide to call me a cunt, which might I add is both 01:00, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
We have history together in the worst way possible. You seem to be always on my case, always there when I do something. Etc. It wasn't out of the blue, it wasn't towards a random person. It was towards you, plain and simple. And yeah I am in the wrong for I am the one who started insulting you. And then you started insulting me back making me wrong for 90 % and you wrong for 10 %. However to get back to topic no one deserves a ban just for an insult however wrong the person may have been. (OnePieceNation (talk) 01:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC))
So you're saying the same exchange wouldn't have gone down if, say, I had been the one to undo it? It's not like Panda seeks out your edits just to undo them. She just happened to have found this one and you chose to take it personally. It's all on you here.01:48, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
Again, this forum is about the actions of OPN, not those of Panda. I don't see how insulting any user by calling them a cunt/twat could be considered acceptable, no matter what the context/history is. Also, I think there could be a more simple explanation to all this "grudge/history" thing between you two: If you both tend to edit around the same time as today's kerfuffle, then it makes tons of sense that Panda would undo a lot of OPN's edits, because none of the American editors would want to edit at 9am on a saturday. I really haven't seen a damn thing that would make me believe that Panda is out to get OPN, but I've seen a lot that makes me believe the opposite is true. Talk | 08:06, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
DP yeah it wouldn't have gone down that way if it was anyone besides pandawarrior. To me she not just happened to found that one and yes I did take it far to personal that is my fault. However she started insulting me back which is understandable and I would have done the same thing. But that doesn't mean it is all on me.
JSD insulting people is always a bad thing to do. But mercilessly punishing people for an awful insult is too. I am not out to get pandawarrior. I'd like to keep and think it is best that I keep myself as far away from her as possible.(OnePieceNation (talk) 09:40, February 3, 2013 (UTC))
If you aren't out to get her, then why call her a cunt? Why bring the house down on yourself if you don't want any problems?15:30, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
I don't think proposing a way where you can only be banned for a week (especially given your previous ban) is "mercilessly punishing" you. Your insult is much too harsh for me to really think that you shouldn't get some form of ban for it. It's sexist, derogatory, and afterwards you continued to talk badly about Panda on several other people's talk pages, including her own, where you called her a "twat". Your behavior has been nothing but a string of bad actions, which you only seem to regret once a ban is threatened. And I haven't seen you be genuinely apologetic, only try to place blame on others for some words that only you decided to say. I think letting you get away with saying something like this and not getting banned sets the worst example for this wiki. We need to actually punish people for terrible behavior. Nobody's getting permanently banned, so there's no need to for people to treat this like the worst thing that could ever happen here. Bans are a disciplinary tool, and we should use them when necessary. And I think it's necessary here. Talk | 15:47, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, if you insist on not perma-banning, then I propose we double the last one, meaning 4 months.15:50, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was thinking around that number if things can't be settled a bit better here. Talk | 15:52, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
- DP according to you insulting someone harsly and awfully is akin to being out to get them?
- JSD Did I say my previous ban was mercilessly punishing, No I didn't don't twist my words to make me look even worse. My last ban was looking back on it, the best thing that could have happened though it was a little bit to harsh one month would have been enough. If you really feel I should be banned for one awful insult then open a forum for panda who called me an inbred moron and keep a watch on seaterror who often goes out of line as well. Several other people I brought the issue to her talk page and to sff19 who is an admin. You making it look to people who weren't like I had to stupidity to go to random peoples talk pages to complain about her. Which is utter bogus. A string of bad actions' really I come back for one day after being gone for over half a year I make several insults to one person and this is suddenly gets blown up to a string. You are really out of your mind. I regret the entire situation between me and panda, I may have taken things way to personal. I know I am to fault for most of it, I started to insult her and even though we have history it was uncalled for, however she did insult me back for something worse. Because inbred moron doesn't just insult me it insults my entire family. It isn't letting me get away, not bringing it up, not talking about it would be letting me getting away with it. I am genuinely sorry about insulting her and being hostile to her but it didn't come out of nowhere. When did I put the blame on others? Panda is partially to blame however small that part may be. Where are these others? You are seriously overreacing. Going through this is already punishment in itself. Banning according to me should only be done as a last resort. When someone continuesly over multiple hours displays the same bahaviour after being warned at least once. The back and forth insulting only lasted a few hours and stopped after sff19 locked the page. Bans to me should be a last resort not a disciplinary tool. If you really think it is necessary to ban a person for one awful insult please open a vote about it.
- DP do you really have any sense of fairness, sometimes you amaze me by your accurate, fair and logical thinking while other times you amaze me by being unfair and unjust. And by misinterpreting/twisting my words.(OnePieceNation (talk) 16:54, February 3, 2013 (UTC))
@OPN: I don't really think it matter whom you said that to... you said something you shouldn't have (I even learned a new insult), and what's worse is that you were already banned once. That's the point of the discussion. Stop whining and deal with it, you won't get a permanent ban anyway. We are not in kind-garden, so there is no use saying "that user hates me" or something like that. Everybody had some kind of discussion with other users at some point or saw their proposals turned down, that's normal and you should just deal with it. If you don't like an user, you keep it for yourself. Now to be fair, I opened the forum on Pandawarrior so I hope you won't be acting like a victim here. leviathan_89 16:26, 3 February, 2013 (UTC)
Yes I made an awful insult and I shouldn't have no matter who it was directed to. That I have been banned before should not be forgotten nor should it be the basis to ban me again. My previous behaviour which was a lot more then just insulting people should not be taken into account. I should be given the chance to show I have changed.you won't get a permanent ban anyway. According to dp that is a valid option. I felt harassed and mistreated by pandawarrior and tried to avoid her and I managed to do that twice. Thank you for your fairness but I am not acting like a victim, I am a victim as much as I am a perpetrator and the same goes for panda she is both a victim and a perpetrator too. We both insulted one another for horrible things. (OnePieceNation (talk) 16:53, February 3, 2013 (UTC))
- I don't see your point... then you should be ok with what's going on here. If you fell harassed and you can't keep ignoring any more, you should just open a forum or contact an admin, like any other user would. As far as I know you choose to do something else, that's why we are here. "That I have been banned before should not be forgotten nor should it be the basis to ban me again." - actually I think if an user was banned once, the severity of his punishment in a later case should be greater then if he wasn't. leviathan_89 17:01, 3 February, 2013 (UTC)
I do, and thank you.16:45, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
What I define as "a string of bad actions" is every single one of the insults you directed toward Panda. Continuously insulting one user is multiple offenses because it is multiple insults, not one offense because you're only insulting one user. Each insult is a single transgression that stacks up with the others.
And I agree with Levi in that if a user has been banned before, the punishment of a second should be more severe. That is because clearly, the lesson of the the first ban did not stick. All my words in this forum about your previous ban are said with the assumption that a second would be more harsh. If someone goes to prison for burglary, and they get out and burglarize again, they aren't let off with a warning, they go to prison for a longer sentence than the first time. That just makes sense.
And Panda insulting you doesn't make what you've done any better. Panda's actions will be brought up in Panda's forum, and bringing them here just serves to deflect the blame from you. So please, let's not discuss those again here, they belong elsewhere. And your sexist insults insult at least half the population of the world, while hers just insult you and your family. I think that makes yours much more severe.
I think the evidence has been laid out, and it is obvious that OPN has done bad things. We should probably just move to a poll fairly soon. (Keep in mind we would follow the new-ish Forum Rules that came into effect since our last ban forum). Talk | 17:52, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
You weren't even here for the first ban, Just. He was banned that time only because he had a few edit wars and because people didn't like him. Besides he didn't insult half the world population like you claim. That would only work if he said "all women are" SeaTerror (talk) 19:06, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
- I was here during his first ban, and I even read the forum too, I just didn't participate because I wasn't an active editor or chatter at that time. And the use of the word "cunt" is an insult to women (and some men like myself find it offensive as well) because it insinuates that the worst thing someone could be is a female body part. He may not have been directing his insult at women, but the use of his word is highly offensive to women, and the fact that he used it against a woman makes it even worse. Cunt it by far and above one of the most offensive words in the english language, especially in the context that OPN used it in. Talk | 21:43, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
Then if you had you would know the first ban was only because people didn't like him. It may be an insult to women but he only directed it towards ONE woman. Saying he directed it towards all women is absolutely asinine and ridiculous. If somebody called me a moron does that mean they are saying all men are morons? SeaTerror (talk) 22:01, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not saying he directed it towards all women. He did direct it towards Panda, and Panda alone. However; his vocabulary is offensive to all women. If for example, a user had called another user who was black a "nigger", would we not also take the racist behavior into account when discussing a ban? It's the same situation really, but with sexism instead of racism. Talk | 02:12, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
"And your sexist insults insult at least half the population of the world" You said it right there. You're also claiming that all women would be offended. I know many who would laugh at it. I think you're the only one who even got offended by it. Kinda weird. SeaTerror (talk) 02:40, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
Whatever. If I start arguing with ST anymore, it will delay this forum forever. If nobody objects, I'll open the poll tomorrow. I'll take the format from Forum:Klobis. We'll have a week to decide this due to part one of the poll, but what should the shortest time be, considering OPN's last ban was 2 months? Talk | 16:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
I don't think there should be a "shortest ban" since I don't remember there is a specific rule about that... the "next ban should be longer" is just common sense, but it's not bound to be that way. So I think you should be able to vote for any kind of length, just add the standard ones. Remember that the poll should goes a one-day trial to double-check if everything is ok. leviathan_89 17:04, 4 February, 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm a bit too busy to copy/paste the poll out of Klobis' forum, but I'm going to use that so I hope that's an acceptable "test poll". Talk | 17:09, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
1 month minimum - 1 year max.17:12, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
It's been a day, I'm opening the poll. Talk | 21:20, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
Not gonna vote, don't know enough about what happened. 09:08, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Uhm. The poll is closed since long, now discuss the ban length? Sewil 18:36, February 13 - 2013
Yep. I'll make a new section below. Talk | 19:08, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
The poll is currently closed. The voting closed at 21:00 February 12, 2013 (UTC). You must have been on here for at least three months and have at least 300 edits to vote on this poll.
This poll will decide if User:OnePieceNation should be banned for reasons described in Part 2 of the discussion above. If the vote decides that he will be banned, a second poll will be opened next week to decide the length.
Should OnePieceNation be banned?
- Yes, OnePieceNation should be banned.
- Sewil 21:26, February 5 - 2013
- Talk | 21:30, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
- 12:08, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
- 21:22, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
- 21:32, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
- 08:54, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
- 12:36, February 8, 2013 (UTC) And yet again he is asking people to vote
- MasterDeva (talk) 19:18, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
- ❖ 19:48, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
- 06:35, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
- No, OnePieceNation should not be banned.
- User:X-RAPTOR 17:10, February 8, 2013 (UTC) Just so you know i didnt do this because you asked but because its what i think its right.
- 21:54, February 11, 2013 (UTC) What X said....
Ban 2 Length Discussion
Alright, so OPN will be banned. I've made a poll for that below, with times ranging from 1 week to 1 year. If anybody wants to add any other times that I didn't, feel free, though I don't think anything shorter than 1 week should be done.
Personally, I'm not sure how long he should be banned, though I think it should be no shorter than his last ban (2 months). Talk | 19:07, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
So how about we double it?20:30, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
Ban 2 Length Poll
The poll is currently closed. The poll ended on 21:00 February 21, 2013 (UTC). OnePieceNation will be banned for two months.
How long should OnePieceNation be banned?
- Two Months
- 21:41, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
- SeaTerror (talk) 22:13, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
- 17:23, February 15, 2013 (UTC) If you ask people to vote again, I will change my vote to a year. Just a warning.
- MasterDeva (talk) 19:39, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
- leviathan_89 19:55, 16 February, 2013 (UTC)
- 15:59, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
- 16:05, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
- 02:51, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Sewil 19:16, February 21 - 2013
- Three Months
- Four Months
- Six Months
- 22:50, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
- A Year
- 21:45, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
- 21:54, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
- 22:12, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
- 22:15, February 14, 2013 (UTC) (maybe 2 if he tries to plea on everyone's talk pages again)
- Talk | 01:25, February 15, 2013 (UTC) Vandalizing this poll earlier makes it so much worse.
- 02:39, February 15, 2013 (UTC) I'd expect in the first ban you'd learn something. Grow up.
- 06:20, February 15, 2013 (UTC)