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The current poll on Monet's talk page is still going on as I type it, and the recent heating up of the discussion is fresh in our minds.
The topic of the discussion will be left behind here, but SeaTerror's behaviour is clear. He wants something, and nothing is going to stop him from doing it. This attitude of combined stubbornness and failure to counteract the arguments of his fellow wikians is highly disruptive.
- Avoiding other's arguments by using comparisons like Pekoms
- Continuously mentioning that something is speculation, over, and over, again (fun fact, he's used the word speculation 9 times in this talk page)
- Calling out someone is manipulating the poll without wanting to talk about it first
- Refusing to further talk about Kaido's statement and constantly referring to it as a lie
- Calling out on someone who personally attacked him, we will not discuss this here, but his reaction to that: "What I said wasn't rude anyways" referring to "Says the person who hasn't had a real edit since April. Also no you're just being ignorant as usual" is something to be noted.
A thing that is constant in his replies is that they are rarely longer than 2 sentences. ST is refusing to cooperate in a discussion by staying stubborn and is incapable of producing arguments and reasons to back up his opinions, only doing so rather meakly, if at all.
Of course this isn't the only one example. Here's the Purin talk page. We see the same thing happen here. ST is bringing up irrelevant (and simply wrong) arguments in only a few sentences, most notably Shiliew. ST's behaviour made an incredibly simple discussion into a hostile environment that has yet to be finished.
Here's the infamous Tankman discussion. "That's speculation", "it's speculation" etc etc etc. ST never bothers to explain his own viewpoint, preferring to catfight with Rhavkin throughout the entire talk page, then shamelessly saying "This is why people should actually do their own research instead of blindly voting on polls". I found this the most hypocritical statement I've heard this entire year, never mind the fact that it sounded incredibly provocative.
Last but not least, I want to refer to the Totto Land Arc talk page. For having opened the discussion, ST seems content to use (and reuse, not to mention) his so loved argument which I'm quoting: "This isn't Naruto". He never even gives any proper counter arguments himself to people arguing against him, using these infamous one/two sentences which satisfies his apparent needs to cause disrupt throughout the wiki.
I'm saying it lightly here, but I'm simply sick of his overall behaviour. Every time, again and again, the same behaviour that isn't useful, isn't necessary, and only does more harm than good, turning normal discussions into a shitstorm by keeping a highly stubborn attitude and causing ruckus. We are supposed to be a community, a team, working together to make this the best place it can be. Disrespectful comments and refusal to cooperate in a sane discussion is NOT IN ANY WAY desirable in this wiki. This is a cooperation. If he can't cooperate, he should go. It's simple as that. And it's what you should think about.
Oh, might I add this is the sixth time his ban forum opens?
18:59, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't too active in those talk pages, but it looks like ST's back to doing what he's always done: stubbornly refusing to give up, assuming bad faith and making short/mocking posts instead of actually trying to debate. He was better for a while, but he always gets back to this a few months after he's warned. He's better than he used to be, but this is still disruptive and unnecessary. It got a ban before, it should get one now. 19:18, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
Honestly, permaban sounds good to me. I dislike the word cancer, but it's the closest approximation I can come up with. It's either nothing or gone, because if we give him some slack then the tumour will grow again.
It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 19:19, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
This is his sixth banforum. His sixth. It's like it's a yearly tradition at this point. I haven't really been involved in the talkpages AoD brought up, and I'm basically inactive at this point so I'll refrain from voting, but this is his sixth fucking banforum. I've defended ST in the past, I voted against banning him in most of the previous discussions, I worked with him and agreed with a lot of his points on the wiki, hell, when he's not being a dick I still think he's a fantastic editor and I even sorta like him.
But he's never going to change. So the question really becomes, do we want to continue to put up with his shit? If this does come to a poll, I also suggest that the options are either no ban or permaban. It's a) pointless to ban him for a couple of months. and b) his sixth fucking banforum. How many second chances does somebody deserve?
19:36, November 8, 2016 (UTC)