Hundred Beast or Beasts
Where did the "Beasts Pirates" come from?
Kaido's original epithet is "百獣の王" (literally, King of a Hundred Beasts) but the english translation for that becomes simply "King of the Beasts" because that's essentially what it means. I still think we should use include the hundred in his crew name though. 19:16, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
Oh my mistake, Kaido is just "Kaido of the Hundred Beasts". His crew is the "Hundred Beast Pirates". 21:31, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
Green light to move it then?21:33, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
...but as I said before, Kaido's epithet is irrelevant. What it matters is the crew's name in the infoboxes of this chapter, so unless he has anything to say about that, Jopie confirmed it as "Hundred Beast Pirates". leviathan_89 04:29, 28 November, 2015 (UTC)
"Hundred Beast" is the literal translation for both Kaido's epithet and his crew. Just "Beasts" is a more of an idiomatic translation. Which we use is up to us, neither is 100% right or wrong. 05:46, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
I support "Hundred Beasts Pirates". The meaning gets across well in Kaido's epithet (since lion = "king of the beasts", which is what it was going for) but I think here if we just go with "Beasts Pirates" some meaning is lost and it sounds a bit generic. I doubt anyone will think that it literally means there's a hundred of them. Awaikage Talk 13:24, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
I'd prefer hundred beasts as well.17:34, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
Would people please stop adding "Hundred" in front of the crew name before this talk is resolved?19:40, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
I've blocked anon edits since they seemed the ones who keep changing stuff. You can also consider blocking the page to admin-level, but probably this discussion is going to be solved soon, so your choice. leviathan_89 19:45, 28 November, 2015 (UTC)
But is it Hundred Beast or Hundred Beasts?21:32, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
Probably plural, since it's "hundred". But hundred beasts can be misleading, since it's implying the crew has one hundred beastly members. Beasts pretty sums it up, since we're using plural, and even VIZ uses "King of the Beasts" for Kaido, not "Hundred Beasts Kaido", which shows they can accurately read up the "Hyakuju" translation, and modify it to suit their needs.22:18, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
Hundred can also mean a large amount of stuff without specifying quantity.
How bout somebody ask Oda, the author himself what it should be instead of deciding what we think it should be. The manga chapter released says "Hundred Beast Pirates" not Beasts Pirates. It's not really up for debate. But again, maybe someone should ask Oda. 220.127.116.11 06:15, November 29, 2015 (UTC)A Wikia Contributor
I'd say Hundred Beasts sounds better. Beasts Pirates sounds a bit awkward and doesn't convey as much meaning as Hundred Beasts. And AWC, the manga chapter said Hyakujū and we're trying to decide whether to translate it literally or idiomatically. The issue isn't what the name is, but how we should translate it for the wiki. 07:56, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
If we translate it literally, then Kaido's title would also have to change. Chidoriashi Hash is idiomatically meaning "Drunken Staggering Hash", but putting it literally, it means "Thousand Birds Leg Hash". 09:53, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
No it wouldn't. We can choose the best fitting translation case-by-case here. Kaido's title works perfectly as is because it's based on a term used to refer to the lion in real life: "hyakujū no ō", the english equivalent of which is "king of the beasts". Awaikage Talk 12:14, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
There's also an option of using the literal translation (Hundred Beast[s]) but then explaining that it doesn't necessarily mean actually 100 beasts but rather "all kinds of beasts" within the article. 04:52, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
Well, all kinds of beasts is a more satisfying and accurate description of the crew.05:44, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
Can someone add the Viz name? It's the Animal Kingdom Pirates. 18.104.22.168 20:12, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, VIZ just put a massive out-of-place in translations.02:25, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
It's definitely Hundred Beasts. Hyakujū literally translates to Hundred Beasts. It's the same as Redhaired Shanks's crew. It's named after Kaido's epithet, unless you think it's not Hundred Beast Kaido, Kaido of the Hundred Beasts, but Beast Kaido, or Kaido of the Beasts? Kambetal1 (talk) 09:02, December 12, 2015 (UTC)
Seems to me like JOP's most recent post has the best option: Hundred Beasts, with an explanation in the article. I think there's enough posts to say Hundred Beasts by now. Talk | 17:27, December 12, 2015 (UTC)
Don't be ridiculous. What is Talk page decision? How foolish the "Hyakuju = Hundred Beasts" theory is. You must say kaizoku = 海+賊 = sea thief so it is Hundred Beasts Sea Thieves. --Klobis (talk) 07:04, December 13, 2015 (UTC)
"kaizoku" is a term, and terms have direct translations. "hyakuju no o" is an idiom. Idioms are more open to interpretation, and are subject to contain puns or concepts that can become lost in translation. We have a proper explaination within the article, so I think it's fine. 15:45, December 13, 2015 (UTC)
Just like Kaizoku, Hyakuju is a term, not an idiom. 【百獣】多くのけもの。すべてのけだもの。(三省堂 大辞林). You say lion is King of Hundred Beasts? This means Luffy is Barley Straw Luffy, Zoro is Sea Thieves Hunt, Nami is Mud Stick Cat. You must insist on Barley Straw Crew, not Straw Hat Crew, since you ignored what the word means. --Klobis (talk) 05:50, December 14, 2015 (UTC)
Ohh, I see your point. So Hyakuju no O is an idiom, but just Hyakuju alone is a term written as "100 beasts" and defined as "many or all beasts", much like how Dorobo is written as "Mud stick" but defined as "burglar". Sorry about that, guys! In that case, "Beasts Pirates" is probably slightly more accurate, even though, unlike Japanese, once the "beasts" is taken out of the "King of Beasts" context in English, it just means "more than one beast" (how many beasts? 2? 3? 80? 50,000?).
In fact, the only real "correct translation" would be "Many Beasts Pirates", "All Beasts Pirates", or even "Hundreds of Beasts Pirates", but I think having that explained within the article is more than enough, since we have a rather unique case here. I actually wouldn't mind Hyakuju Pirates, kind of like how we just left Kuja untranslated, but that might just end up unnecessarily confusing a lot of people, so Beasts Pirates would be my next choice to go along with Kaido's epithet. 06:04, December 16, 2015 (UTC)
Filled. 02:08, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
So we're cleared? Beasts Pirates?05:47, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
Moved it, now we just need to change all the associate links.00:41, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone's noticed, but in the background of the jolly roger, behind the skull and crossbones, there are two thick outward curving bars. Now, I'm not literate in kanji or katakana, but perhaps those bars, maybe together with the skull and/or crossbones, may form a Japanese character, possibly a word? Can anyone check?(Shadoguardian (talk) 09:08, March 8, 2016 (UTC))
Shogun of Wano
I think it has been said that the "Shogun of Wano" is an ally to Kaido. Shouldn't he appear in the "Allies and Affiliates" part under Crew Members? Or does he need a name reveal first or something? Captain of the Thousand Beasts - Kaidovich9X (talk) 10:15, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
The latter.10:21, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I have tons of them. Pasting them here: http://read.powermanga.org/content/comics/one_piece_5251c1a821656/817_0_raizou_of_the_mist_57e60e5b935a2/01.png http://read.powermanga.org/content/comics/one_piece_5251c1a821656/821_0_understood_570e3305b4bc2/05.png
http://read.powermanga.org/content/comics/one_piece_5251c1a821656/809_0_master_nekomamushi_5711a71415be0/12.png Zeckopacho (talk) 17:24, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
Or they could just wear horns because Kaido has horns and it's a thing with his crew. It's speculation and stays off the page.
It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 17:26, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
I don't know this two horns business signify anything if it does at all but in the page it is stated that all pleasures wear one horned hats. It is clearly wrong and should be changed. Zeckopacho (talk) 17:32, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
Only one link works, btw.17:58, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I see what went wrong now, you pasted a whole bunch of them without spaces inbetween. But it looks like you're right. Anyone else opposes?18:06, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
All Star vs Disaster
Shouldn't All Star be a section for the members template instead of Disaster? 22.214.171.124 15:07, October 27, 2018 (UTC)
All Star was used in Jack's infobox while Disaster was just stated by Sheepshead though. 126.96.36.199 20:36, October 27, 2018 (UTC)
Correct, and more accurately, in both chapters 808 and 921, Jack was introduced in his introduction box as Beasts Pirates All-Star (百獣海賊団大看板 Hyakujū Kaizokudan Ōkanban?), similarly how both Sheepshead and Hawkins were introduced as Beasts Pirates Headliner (百獣海賊団真打ち Hyakujū Kaizokudan Shin'uchi?).
What's more interesting is that there's connecting theme behind shin'uchi and ōkanban:
- 真打ち, Shin'uchi(literally meaning "true hit") is person with highest rank in Rakugo, a traditional Japanese solo performing art.
- 大看板, Ōkanban(literal meaning "great signboard) is generally first-rate influential performer (theatre, film, etc.), leading star, draw, attraction
Now, while it would be wise to wait for introduction of another "Disaster", it is very lkely that Kaidō's right hand men are both "All-Stars" and "Disasters", former being actual rank and latter being additional nickname.JouXIII (talk)
Trivia - Japanese Threate
As some have already mentioned, Oda seems be developing a theme when it comes the names of certain positions within the crew. I was hoping that someone might be willing to add the below section to the page's trivia, if people think this would be useful. 188.8.131.52 02:32, January 4, 2019 (UTC)
- In keeping with the crew’s association with Wano Country, a country inspired by Feudal Japan, many senior positions within the crew take their names from traditional Japanese performing arts or types of theatre.
- All-Stars take their name from the word Ōkanban (大看板? lit. “large signboard”), which has come to denote a first-rate influential performer or leading star of theatre/film, due to the custom of writing such a person’s name larger than those of other performers on billboards and other signage.
- Headliner is derived from Shin'uchi (真打? lit. “true hit”), a term used to describe a person of the highest ability or popularity in Rakugo, a traditional Japanese solo performing art.
- The strongest of the Headliners, the Flying Six, are named after a form of dramatic exit in Kabuki called Roppō (六方? lit. “six directions”) that involves exaggerated movements of the performer’s hands and feet towards north, west, south and east, as well as up and down. Tobiroppō (飛び六方? lit. “flying six directions”) is a particularly famous variation from the play “Kanjinchō” performed by one of the lead characters, the warrior Benkei.
As mentioned in Chapter 943, is Kaido's main goal for the Beasts Pirates to become the strongest pirate crew in the world, or did they already became the strongest pirate crew?Mohammedabri2312 (talk) 10:51, May 24, 2019 (UTC)