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==Name Spelling==
 
==Name Spelling==
 
[[File:Gally Wanted Poster.png|thumb|right]]
 
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Umm, his name is spelled Gally in the Romance Dawn Story, not Gally. As such, I changed the reasoning that said "the other one was spelled Gally, and this is spelled Gally, so that signifies they are different people". It was spelled Gally on his wanted poster, so should there be a name change (at least to the in article spellings)? [[User:Nightmare Pirates|Nightmare Pirates]] ([[User talk:Nightmare Pirates|talk]]) 08:28, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
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Umm, his name is spelled Gally in the Romance Dawn Story, not Galley. As such, I changed the reasoning that said "the other one was spelled Gally, and this is spelled Galley, so that signifies they are different people". It was spelled Gally on his wanted poster, so should there be a name change (at least to the in article spellings)? [[User:Nightmare Pirates|Nightmare Pirates]] ([[User talk:Nightmare Pirates|talk]]) 08:28, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
   
   
   
 
== Merge ==
 
== Merge ==
I see no reason to consider [[Gally]] and [[Gally]] different characters. The reasoning for the separation is extremely flimsy.
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I see no reason to consider [[Galley]] and [[Gally]] different characters. The reasoning for the separation is extremely flimsy.
 
*Names: It seems that "different names" was used as evidence in the past, but the spelling '''Gally''' is used for both. There is no reason to have this article under a different name.
 
*Names: It seems that "different names" was used as evidence in the past, but the spelling '''Gally''' is used for both. There is no reason to have this article under a different name.
 
*Bounties: Currently the only argument is "different bounties". However, bounties can easily change and both bounties are non-canon.
 
*Bounties: Currently the only argument is "different bounties". However, bounties can easily change and both bounties are non-canon.
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The name doesn't matter. They are different characters because they appeared in different things. One being filler and the other appearing in a prototype from Oda. Especially because they both have different histories. [[User:SeaTerror|SeaTerror]] ([[User talk:SeaTerror|talk]]) 17:38, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
 
The name doesn't matter. They are different characters because they appeared in different things. One being filler and the other appearing in a prototype from Oda. Especially because they both have different histories. [[User:SeaTerror|SeaTerror]] ([[User talk:SeaTerror|talk]]) 17:38, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
   
It seems to me that Gally is just a reference to Gally from to one shot, and giving the fact Gally was partly canonize at the end of WCI, I think they should stay separated. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 18:54, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
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It seems to me that Gally is just a reference to Galley from to one shot, and giving the fact Galley was partly canonize at the end of WCI, I think they should stay separated. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 18:54, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
   
 
I think they should stay separated but there's no sense in keeping them under two different names while they're both called ギャリー (''Gyarī'', romanized as "Gally" on wanted posters). [[User:Cdwp22|Cdwp22]] ([[User talk:Cdwp22|talk]]) 19:23, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
 
I think they should stay separated but there's no sense in keeping them under two different names while they're both called ギャリー (''Gyarī'', romanized as "Gally" on wanted posters). [[User:Cdwp22|Cdwp22]] ([[User talk:Cdwp22|talk]]) 19:23, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
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But this isn't a "character appears in filler" case, this is a "filler character appears in story". And the Mr. 7s were an example of two separate pages of two separate characters with same known identity, not different canon status. 21:49, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
 
But this isn't a "character appears in filler" case, this is a "filler character appears in story". And the Mr. 7s were an example of two separate pages of two separate characters with same known identity, not different canon status. 21:49, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
   
I think they should be merged. Them both being called "Crescent-Moon Gally" is pretty obvious. There are minor differences in appearance, but [[Gally]] from 2000 is clearly modeled after the Romance Dawn manga. Not to mention that Gally/Gally's other appearances are in 2008 and 2019, so they are obviously going to look slightly different. [[Minatomo (East Blue)]] doesn't have a separate page for his filler appearances, I don't really think Gally/Gally is much different. [[User:Kaido King of the Beasts|Kaido King of the Beasts]] ([[User talk:Kaido King of the Beasts|talk]]) 23:56, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
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I think they should be merged. Them both being called "Crescent-Moon Galley" is pretty obvious. There are minor differences in appearance, but [[Gally]] from 2000 is clearly modeled after the Romance Dawn manga. Not to mention that Galley/Gally's other appearances are in 2008 and 2019, so they are obviously going to look slightly different. [[Minatomo (East Blue)]] doesn't have a separate page for his filler appearances, I don't really think Gally/Galley is much different. [[User:Kaido King of the Beasts|Kaido King of the Beasts]] ([[User talk:Kaido King of the Beasts|talk]]) 23:56, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
   
If they are merged though, which design would be used as infobox, since there's such a stark contrast between Loguetown Gally and Romance Dawn Gally.--[[User:Nightmare Pirates|Nightmare Pirates]] ([[User talk:Nightmare Pirates|talk]]) 00:17, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
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If they are merged though, which design would be used as infobox, since there's such a stark contrast between Loguetown Galley and Romance Dawn Galley.--[[User:Nightmare Pirates|Nightmare Pirates]] ([[User talk:Nightmare Pirates|talk]]) 00:17, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
   
 
They literally can't be merged. "Especially because they both have different histories. " [[User:SeaTerror|SeaTerror]] ([[User talk:SeaTerror|talk]]) 06:00, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
 
They literally can't be merged. "Especially because they both have different histories. " [[User:SeaTerror|SeaTerror]] ([[User talk:SeaTerror|talk]]) 06:00, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
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No that's just a filler history section for characters that appear in filler. They aren't different characters. [[User:SeaTerror|SeaTerror]] ([[User talk:SeaTerror|talk]]) 17:27, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
 
No that's just a filler history section for characters that appear in filler. They aren't different characters. [[User:SeaTerror|SeaTerror]] ([[User talk:SeaTerror|talk]]) 17:27, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
   
What do you mean different histories? Gally did not appear in Loguetown in the manga. Him appearing in Loguetown filler does not contradict him being in Romance Dawn (also non-canon) or in WCI. Otherwise we should make separate pages for [[Heppoko]], [[Peppoko]], and [[Poppoko]] by that logic. [[User:Kaido King of the Beasts|Kaido King of the Beasts]] ([[User talk:Kaido King of the Beasts|talk]]) 18:35, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
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What do you mean different histories? Galley did not appear in Loguetown in the manga. Him appearing in Loguetown filler does not contradict him being in Romance Dawn (also non-canon) or in WCI. Otherwise we should make separate pages for [[Heppoko]], [[Peppoko]], and [[Poppoko]] by that logic. [[User:Kaido King of the Beasts|Kaido King of the Beasts]] ([[User talk:Kaido King of the Beasts|talk]]) 18:35, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
   
 
Actually it does contradict it since one is a different universe than the One Piece universe since Oda hadn't created One Piece yet. [[User:SeaTerror|SeaTerror]] ([[User talk:SeaTerror|talk]]) 18:42, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
 
Actually it does contradict it since one is a different universe than the One Piece universe since Oda hadn't created One Piece yet. [[User:SeaTerror|SeaTerror]] ([[User talk:SeaTerror|talk]]) 18:42, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
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They should be merged. We didn't have this problem with Ryuma when he reappeared during TB. We can make a non-canon disclaimer in the history section if need be but I see no issue in merging them.{{User:DancePowderer/Sig}} 19:35, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
 
They should be merged. We didn't have this problem with Ryuma when he reappeared during TB. We can make a non-canon disclaimer in the history section if need be but I see no issue in merging them.{{User:DancePowderer/Sig}} 19:35, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
   
Let's say [[Ann (Romance Dawn)]] appeared in anime filler. Identical in name, and appearance. Would we consider that appearance as a separate character because "Oda hadn't created One Piece" when he created Ann? It doesn't make much sense, much like the Gally situation. [[User:Kaido King of the Beasts|Kaido King of the Beasts]] ([[User talk:Kaido King of the Beasts|talk]]) 21:06, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
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Let's say [[Ann (Romance Dawn)]] appeared in anime filler. Identical in name, and appearance. Would we consider that appearance as a separate character because "Oda hadn't created One Piece" when he created Ann? It doesn't make much sense, much like the Galley situation. [[User:Kaido King of the Beasts|Kaido King of the Beasts]] ([[User talk:Kaido King of the Beasts|talk]]) 21:06, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
   
 
DP, Ryuma was confirmed to be the same character.
 
DP, Ryuma was confirmed to be the same character.
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Kaido, when the one shot was out, we had a page for the character. When the Loguetown episode aired, we said "Different in every way other then epithet, but obvious reference to the OS". When the anime adaptation aired we said "Anime adaptation mean its the same as OS". When the canon chapter was released, we assumed it was OS\AA, and it was confirmed in SBS 91 p. 918.
 
Kaido, when the one shot was out, we had a page for the character. When the Loguetown episode aired, we said "Different in every way other then epithet, but obvious reference to the OS". When the anime adaptation aired we said "Anime adaptation mean its the same as OS". When the canon chapter was released, we assumed it was OS\AA, and it was confirmed in SBS 91 p. 918.
   
The Loguetown Gally is inspired by Gally and that is it. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 22:08, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
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The Loguetown Gally is inspired by Galley and that is it. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 22:08, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
   
The Loguetown Gally is elderly, while the Baratie Gally is younger. {{User:Yatanogarasu/Sig}} 22:11, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
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The Loguetown Gally is elderly, while the Baratie Galley is younger. {{User:Yatanogarasu/Sig}} 22:11, October 13, 2019 (UTC)
   
 
[[Koushirou#Anime_and_Manga_Differences|Koushirou had graying hair in anime filler]], does that make him a different character? It's just design differences, which happens with the anime all the time. Gally looks different in Romance Dawn Story compared to Baratie as well.
 
[[Koushirou#Anime_and_Manga_Differences|Koushirou had graying hair in anime filler]], does that make him a different character? It's just design differences, which happens with the anime all the time. Gally looks different in Romance Dawn Story compared to Baratie as well.
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Awaikage, I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. I am 100% don't say that the reason for the keep is because it is this way now, let me try and make my point clear:
 
Awaikage, I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. I am 100% don't say that the reason for the keep is because it is this way now, let me try and make my point clear:
   
It is obvious, to me, that the Gally from the one shot and the Gally from the special, are the same, and it was confirmed by Oda that the Gally from Baratie is the same as well. The Gally from Loguetown is not confirmed to be the same, and since the wiki decided to keep it different in the past, and no new information is given, the point Kaido made about an establish character appearing is different from this case.
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It is obvious, to me, that the Galley from the one shot and the Galley from the special, are the same, and it was confirmed by Oda that the Galley from Baratie is the same as well. The Galley from Loguetown is not confirmed to be the same, and since the wiki decided to keep it different in the past, and no new information is given, the point Kaido made about an establish character appearing is different from this case.
   
If the design difference is okay, what's to say other non canon character that share a name\epithet are different from canon characters? And bounties can increase, but you're assuming a time line, in which "Gally" arrived to Loguetown, got captured, escaped, got a bounty increase, terrorize a village (on the grand line based on the anime), was defeated by Luffy, and went back to East Blue for a meal. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 12:22, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
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If the design difference is okay, what's to say other non canon character that share a name\epithet are different from canon characters? And bounties can increase, but you're assuming a time line, in which "Galley" arrived to Loguetown, got captured, escaped, got a bounty increase, terrorize a village (on the grand line based on the anime), was defeated by Luffy, and went back to East Blue for a meal. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 12:22, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
   
 
That wouldn't be the case with the timeline because everything up until his post-timeskip appearance is non-canon. The one-shot appearances could be relegated to an Early One Piece section. The appearance in Loguetown would just be relegated to non-canon sections, same with the OVA appearance. {{User:Montblanc_Noland/Sig1}} 12:33, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
 
That wouldn't be the case with the timeline because everything up until his post-timeskip appearance is non-canon. The one-shot appearances could be relegated to an Early One Piece section. The appearance in Loguetown would just be relegated to non-canon sections, same with the OVA appearance. {{User:Montblanc_Noland/Sig1}} 12:33, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
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So now you're hitting a reset button and disregarding the discussion up to this point? I assumed good faith with your previous comment but now it feels like you're deliberately being inattentive. Gally is a canon character with non-canon apperances, Loguetown being one of them and Romance Dawn Story another. Personality? I do not think a 30-second cameo is enough to witness the full extent of Gally's personality, and the little we did see does not seem any way indicative of it being a different character. The designs have differences across all of his apperances, but all have the same basic look. The name, the epithet, the fact that he's a pirate captain, the fact that he has the same Jolly Roger... Same character. {{User:Awaikage/Sig1}} 20:49, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
 
So now you're hitting a reset button and disregarding the discussion up to this point? I assumed good faith with your previous comment but now it feels like you're deliberately being inattentive. Gally is a canon character with non-canon apperances, Loguetown being one of them and Romance Dawn Story another. Personality? I do not think a 30-second cameo is enough to witness the full extent of Gally's personality, and the little we did see does not seem any way indicative of it being a different character. The designs have differences across all of his apperances, but all have the same basic look. The name, the epithet, the fact that he's a pirate captain, the fact that he has the same Jolly Roger... Same character. {{User:Awaikage/Sig1}} 20:49, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
   
No reset button, just summing up that after all of this discussion, neither side has given any clear justification for any change. Loguetown Gally is clearly inspired by Gally, but there is still nothing to say they are the same character, while WCI Gally is confirmed to be the same. Again, we have multiple characters that share a name, and some characters that share an epithet, we have similar jolly rogers, and many pirate captains. Yes. this is the first time we have all of those with the same two characters, but there are as many differences as there are similarities, including bounty, appearance. personality, crew, region, history and most importantly, canoninity. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 21:03, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
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No reset button, just summing up that after all of this discussion, neither side has given any clear justification for any change. Loguetown Gally is clearly inspired by Galley, but there is still nothing to say they are the same character, while WCI Galley is confirmed to be the same. Again, we have multiple characters that share a name, and some characters that share an epithet, we have similar jolly rogers, and many pirate captains. Yes. this is the first time we have all of those with the same two characters, but there are as many differences as there are similarities, including bounty, appearance. personality, crew, region, history and most importantly, canoninity. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 21:03, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
   
 
I feel the inclusion of invalidated points on the list of arguments is akin to resetting. What seems to be happening is that you're basing most of your argument on the current state of the wiki articles rather than the actual material. That simply doesn't work, it's a fallacy and misses the whole point of a merge.
 
I feel the inclusion of invalidated points on the list of arguments is akin to resetting. What seems to be happening is that you're basing most of your argument on the current state of the wiki articles rather than the actual material. That simply doesn't work, it's a fallacy and misses the whole point of a merge.
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You could put the Romance Dawn Story (OVA) appearance under the same scrutiny if that had a separate article. Gally in Romance Dawn Story looks different, he's in a different region and the article would have different history and canonicity compared to the WCI apperance. Why is this not an issue? Because it's still Gally. Gally the character doesn't have two contradictory states of canonicity. He is canon, but featured in some non-canon material. {{User:Awaikage/Sig1}} 13:28, October 15, 2019 (UTC)
 
You could put the Romance Dawn Story (OVA) appearance under the same scrutiny if that had a separate article. Gally in Romance Dawn Story looks different, he's in a different region and the article would have different history and canonicity compared to the WCI apperance. Why is this not an issue? Because it's still Gally. Gally the character doesn't have two contradictory states of canonicity. He is canon, but featured in some non-canon material. {{User:Awaikage/Sig1}} 13:28, October 15, 2019 (UTC)
 
I'm sorry you feel this way, this wasn't my intention. I'm obviously in the minority here, the only one taking the time to explain this position, and I am tired. so do whatever you want. [[User:Rhavkin|Rhavkin]] ([[User talk:Rhavkin|talk]]) 20:11, October 15, 2019 (UTC)
 
 
This used to be one page, then we decided to split Gally and Gally. Canonicity aside, Gally with a bounty of 3,450,000 was arrested by Smoker, but Gally with a 5,000,000 bounty is still out there eating at Baratie. If we merge, are we to say (in a non-canon section) that Gally escaped or was released from prison? {{User:Yatanogarasu/Sig}} 00:49, October 16, 2019 (UTC)
 
 
When it comes to non-canon, there's generally no need or tendency for speculation. We just write what happens in the particular scenes. But for what it's worth, the 3,450,000 wanted poster was not crossed out. {{User:Awaikage/Sig1}} 15:12, October 16, 2019 (UTC)
 
 
Alright, it seems a conclusion has been reached in favor of the merge. Closing the discussion and proceeding with the edits. {{User:Awaikage/Sig1}} 12:35, October 20, 2019 (UTC)
 
 
===Canon===
 
If this is just going to be one big page now then there should be a new set of categories where Gally doesn't belong in either such as ''Canon X'' categories and ''[[:Category:Non-Canon|Non-Canon X]]'' categories.[[User:Rgilbert27|Rgilbert27]] ([[User talk:Rgilbert27|talk]]) 17:43, October 20, 2019 (UTC)
 
 
What do you mean? He is a canon captain and swordsman. [[User:Kaido King of the Beasts|Kaido King of the Beasts]] ([[User talk:Kaido King of the Beasts|talk]]) 14:28, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
 
 
Different versions of him have been mashed into one page. He doesn't belong in either.[[User:Rgilbert27|Rgilbert27]] ([[User talk:Rgilbert27|talk]]) 21:47, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
 
 
Since Gally appeared in Chapter 901, he is a canon character. His appearances in Romance Dawn and the filler episode are non-canon. Same as every canon character who appears in a non-canon story. [[User:Kaido King of the Beasts|Kaido King of the Beasts]] ([[User talk:Kaido King of the Beasts|talk]]) 22:57, October 31, 2019 (UTC)
 
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