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PH: Luffy vs Master

"She makes a barrier over Caesar, which Luffy breaks with Jet Gatling. Monet lets Caesar escape, and tells Luffy that if anything bad happens to him" It was actually Armament Hardening Gomu Gomu no Jet Gatling.

Oda fixed the darkened fists in the volume release http://www.imagebam.com/image/b7311a244932357 the WSJ version http://www.imagebam.com/image/b9a99f244932431 when Oda forgot Luffy´s black arms.Ssj7 (talk) 17:43, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Childhood but not Romance Down

Luffy's past (at least part of it) was revealed, his first meeting with Ace, Garp handing him to Dadan, so shouldn't this be in a new subject, besides Romance Down?--GMTails 19:24, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Can't we wait until the flashback is finished to resume this part of Luffy's life. Making resume chapter by chapter is a bad habit that we have in this wiki Kdom 21:04, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

The fillers shoold be included in one piece history. Just with the indication of being fillers.

Adventure on the Isle of Women

Why the text doesn't say that Luffy used haki against the snake sisters?Giotis 18:48, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Because he didn't, he only released his Haōshoku Haki unconsciously but he didn't apply it during his battle with them. MasterDeva 19:02, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
Ok he did it unconsciously but he did it. The name Haōshoku Haki doesn't exist in the text that describe the battle.Giotis 19:11, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
I added the missing info. MasterDeva 19:50, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Infobox here

I want to ask if an infobox is allowed to exist here and if it doesn't I want the user who adds it to stop doing it.   リ チ ャ ー ド   Strong Fist «ℑ» «ℜ» «✩» «☯» Mornin'! ™14:36&9b43p;1/Sep/2011 (UTC) 

Luffy friends

what happend to the image "luffy realise he still has his crew? i think we should return it. Strawhat1 11:27, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


This page is currently the longest page on the wiki (and it will keep growing). We should either tab the pre/post skip sections, or put them in templates. We'd have to do this for all the SH History pages.   Galaxy 9000   00:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, and maybe we can also separate the inbox pictures. You know, pre-timeskip tab with pre-timeskip photo and post-timeskip tab with post-timeskip photo. Anti-Jester (talk) 08:24, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with creating subpages for pre-timeskip and post-timeskip. Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page 

I actually made this suggestion on the Rokushiki talk page about 3 weeks ago:

"I think separating the histories into different pages would make editing much easier. We can use their pre-series past as their primary history page and make the events within ONE PIECE the pre and post timeskip sub-pages."

海賊☠姫 (talk) 08:35, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Make them templates. One template per saga.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  13:52, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

How would the tabbing work though? Would they be a subpage of a subpage? Or would there be two history tabs?

Templates seems like a bad idea because it would make it more difficult to edit. Let's not jump to a decision right away until we can see more of what options look like. Perhaps someone can sandbox them? JustSomeDude...  Talk | 14:08, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Templatin' them is probably the best idea for editin' and yes subpages(of this subpage) for pre-timeskip and post-timeskip is a good solution too. :/ .. --Roranoa zoro Talk|||14:20,8/7/2013

Subpages of a subpage sounds wrong. Templates are a way better idea.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  14:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

No, templates would be horrible here - these history pages are updated every chapter and episode and it would impede editing too much. Also, templates don't improve the load time of a page, whereas tabs do (as long as they're separate page tabs, not tabber tabs). Zodiaque             14:29, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

We mustn't tab a tabbed page. Templates are the best option right now.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  08:10, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

No need for templates. Let's just tab the pages.   Galaxy 9000   08:21, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Templates would not help at all in this situation:

  • If you're just viewing the page, there's no difference between having templates and not having them - the page still has to load the same amount of data (if anything, pulling it from somewhere else would take longer).
  • If you're editing the page, then there are roughly a hundred headings and sub-headings, each of which can be individually edited to bring up a manageable section of source code, and load quickly when previewed.
  • If there are templates, then this just means anyone trying to edit the page will find that they can't, and they have to go somewhere else instead, so the editing process just takes longer.
  • Additionally, template edits don't show up on the main feed, making it more difficult to deal with vandalism and otherwise keep track of edits on these pages, which are amongst the most edited on the wiki.
  • There's also a lag between when a template is edited and when the changes show up on the page on which its transcluded. Zodiaque             08:52, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Zo. Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page 

I also agree with Zo. It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 11:19, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

It seems we have a majority: 7:2 Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page  11:25, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

So can somebody propose the tabbing idea?   Galaxy 9000   00:55, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Bump.   Galaxy 9000   14:01, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Either this:

Or just this?

Then link tabs five and six to [[Monkey D. Luffy/History (Pre-Timeskip)]] and [[Monkey D. Luffy/History (Post-Timeskip)]], or something along those lines. Zodiaque             14:23, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe just have it say "History", and then there's a separate tabbing mechanism on the History page that links to Pre or Post Skip. We'd have to have the character's past on the main history page.   Galaxy 9000   14:25, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

i like the first one better--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 16:14, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Agree with gal.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  13:18, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Gal too. Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page  13:19, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Further agreement with Galaxy. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 16:14, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Look at my previous comment above^, I had the same idea.

海賊☠姫 (talk) 20:50, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
What I meant was that I agree with Gal, who has the same idea as you. It's basically the same thing. Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page  09:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Agreement with Galaxy. But if we just had to pick between the given examples, I like the first one more. Sanji in Unlimited Adventure.pngRainbowShifter 15:41, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

I also agree with Gal. And Kaizoku-Hime. It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 15:46, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Bump.   Galaxy 9000   15:36, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Most of us agreed. Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page  09:44, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Gonna tab them since everyone agreed.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  09:58, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Having just the past on its own (like everyone else above wants) causes problems - the Shanks quote clears both margins, resulting in a heap of whitespace given that the contents section no longer pushes it below the infobox, so we would have to remove it (it doesn't really fit anywhere else). The past section is also pretty short. Zodiaque             12:01, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

We don't need a page about his past. It's fine as it is.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  12:03, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Then why did you say you agreed with him above when he suggested it? Zodiaque             12:08, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

The current tabbing sucks,combine 'em into the first set of tabs--Roranoa zoro Talk|||14:24,9/4/2013

Hmm, I didn't see the last sentence of his post. I think that we should have the pre timeskip history on the main page and have a separate one for his post timeskip history.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  14:29, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Move the Shanks quote to the end of the section about Shanks. Makes more sense there anyways, because you have no idea wtf he's talking about at the top of the article. Then, the past works better as it's own page. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 20:08, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

No, it will ruin the page.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  06:45, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Did I not ask in chat to say more about how it "ruins" the page? I don't even know how to respond to you, since I have zero understanding of your opinion. And because I can't respond to you, you bring this discusion to a grinding halt and no progress can be made. It's really problematic for the wiki if you can't describe your opinions with sufficient detail. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 12:40, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

His past isn't long enough to have its own page.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  12:44, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

It's longer or just as long as than all of Brook's subpages, except his history. It's got two arcs of info. That's good enough for me.

And how would the tabs even work if they aren't something separate from the normal history section? We need a page called "Monkey D. Luffy/History" that the main tabs direct to. But if the actual tabs are "Luffy/Pre Timeskip" and "Luffy/Post Timeskip" those are different names. And the situation we have now with 2 identical pages (Luffy/History and Luffy/Pre Timeskip) is not ideal.

Also, we should use different colored tabs for the history article, otherwise they just look like another row on the main tabs, which gets confusing with the regular history section there. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 13:02, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

It's still not even close to as long as his pre or post timeskip history so it will look bad. We will keep his main history page for the past and the pre timeskip history and we'll use this one for his post timeskip history. Also if you want to change the colors, go ahead.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  13:07, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ignoring Staw's silly argument about the length (which doesn't matter), I do think we should combine Pre and Past, simply due to the formatting of the page, as you can see here.   Galaxy 9000   19:51, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Past is part of the pre-timeskip history anyway. SeaTerror (talk) 20:13, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

The Shanks stuff was, but the Ace/Sabo/Luffy stuff technically was told later, and was a flashback.   Galaxy 9000   20:15, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Timeskip came after that. SeaTerror (talk) 20:22, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

"Pre Timeskip" refers to events that happen before a timeskip. The stuff with Shanks was before the story began, and a timeskip of 10 years happened before Luffy set sail. That WAS the argument for giving it its own page, but the argument is now moot, since the formatting of the page goes to crap if we do that, so it's best to combine them, unless we can figure out a way to fix the issue.   Galaxy 9000   20:34, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, now I'm confused. Monkey D. Luffy/History directs you to the "pre-series" tab, but that tab still contains all of Luffy's history. What are we doing?! JustSomeDude...  Talk | 03:48, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

It's the Pre Series and Pre Timeskip tab, which contains all the flashback content and pre timeskip content. Don't think it's an issue if History goes there, and if the other tab is Post Skip.

This seems to be the way to do it, so we should implement this say thing on the other Straw Hat pages.   Galaxy 9000   19:42, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

You only need a pre-timeskip and post timeskip tab. SeaTerror (talk) 19:44, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, sounds fine to me to use on the other pages. But can we get some different colors or a different layout for the tabs? When you go to the History page, it's hard to notice that the new tabs appeared, since they blend in with the other tabs. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 04:48, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Pre-series needs to be changed regardless. That implies it happened in a different series. We only need two tabs separated in Pre-Timeskip and Post-Timeskip histories too. SeaTerror (talk) 18:50, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

What happened to the post time skip arks? With hody and ceaser clown? they are not there. Confused. Lightbuster ( 23:33, October 4, 2013 (UTC))

>_> they were tabbed--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 23:42, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

You can find it by clicking the last tab titled "Post Timeskip". Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page  02:39, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Right, the discussion about this is over. We've moved them already. Now, somebody just needs to change the colors (probably a good idea), and we'll be set.   Galaxy 9000   15:17, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Any idea what colors would be good, or should we just use black and white? JustSomeDude...  Talk | 22:48, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

321360 and C2D1DE? Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page  10:24, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Can you link an example? JustSomeDude...  Talk | 13:33, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion isn't over. "Pre-series needs to be changed regardless. That implies it happened in a different series." SeaTerror (talk) 20:00, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

No, Pre Series means it happened before the series began.   Galaxy 9000   20:55, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Exactly what I said. SeaTerror (talk) 20:57, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Nope. Stuff like flashbacks is before the beginning of the series, therefore it's before the series began.   Galaxy 9000   20:58, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

It happened during the series. Pre-series means it happened in a different series. SeaTerror (talk) 21:44, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, that's not the definition that's being used here.   Galaxy 9000   00:19, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

That's because you made up your own definition. SeaTerror (talk) 02:16, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

No no, you're the one misunderstanding what it really means.

Anyways, anybody other than ST have objections to that naming?   Galaxy 9000   02:24, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

There is no misunderstanding; just a made up definition. If you have to have it that way then it should say Past instead. SeaTerror (talk) 02:34, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Past is stuff that happened before the beginning of the series, aka pre-series, aka anything in a flashback or before the adventure began.   Galaxy 9000   02:43, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Pre-series is ok, but "Past" is better. That's what we use in section headings and it's more consistent. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 15:08, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Past doesn't mean anything like Pre-series at all. Past means it still happened in the series past. Pre-series means it happened elsewhere in a different series. SeaTerror (talk) 18:28, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Bump. Past is more clear and consistent with how we word section headings. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 02:48, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Using Past is fine and it sounds better. Pre-series sounds awkward and Past technically means the exact same thing. Sanji in Unlimited Adventure.pngRainbowShifter 17:31, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yet they don't mean the same thing at all. SeaTerror (talk) 18:46, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

In this context they do. Sanji in Unlimited Adventure.pngRainbowShifter 20:07, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

That would only be because it was a made up definition. SeaTerror (talk) 22:20, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Jeez, ST, we're agreeing with you that we should use past, and you're still arguing with us...

At any rate, can we change it yet? JustSomeDude...  Talk | 22:29, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Change it.

ST, pre-series is the same as past.   Galaxy 9000   22:30, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

So is the discussion over? Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page  06:41, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

I changed Pre-Series to past on all the SH templates. The discussion isn't quite over yet since we still need to decide on a color for the history tabs that's not the SHP colors. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 14:29, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Bump Sanji in Unlimited Adventure.pngRainbowShifter 20:52, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Just change the color that is highlighted. Black is probably the best to distinguish it.   Galaxy 9000   21:52, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

This discussion needs to be over... What color do we use?   Galaxy 9000   02:10, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Do what you said earlier. Let's see what it looks like. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 04:11, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Do a test and see what it looks like. Sanji in Unlimited Adventure.pngRainbowShifter 13:08, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Black has been edited in.   Galaxy 9000   14:35, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. If someone edits it in to the other SH pages, we can finally close this, I think. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 14:45, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Looks good, we can finally finish this! Sanji in Unlimited Adventure.pngRainbowShifter 14:49, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Let's wait for more opinions first.   Galaxy 9000   14:52, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oh my god this color looks SO BAD  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  15:01, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

White colored links are better with the black BG IMO.--Roranoa zoro Talk|||15:02,10/22/2013

Well the red link doesn't look the best, maybe like Roranoa said do white links. Sanji in Unlimited Adventure.pngRainbowShifter 15:07, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Any other ideas on colour? Sanji in Unlimited Adventure.pngRainbowShifter 17:32, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, let's do white.   Galaxy 9000   01:56, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Bumping, with the proposition that we use the actual "whole" saga names, instead of the weirdly organized way we're doing it now. Sea of Survival: Super Rookies Saga and The Final Sea: The New World Saga.   Galaxy 9000   03:31, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Is anybody against this?   Galaxy 9000   06:28, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this but we have to do it on all SH history sections.Vaztalk 10:22,11/25/2013

It has been done on all the Straw Hat pages. Are there any complaints, or can we finally put this discussion to rest?   Galaxy 9000   15:16, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Post and Pre is better because they are shorter. However if it has to stay this way then the colors absolutely need to be changed. The tabs should not be a different color than the other tabs. SeaTerror (talk) 11:46, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

More people wanted the color differentiation, so that's why it was changed. Why shouldn't it be different?   Galaxy 9000   15:22, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Agree with what gal said,but lets change those colors,they look real ugly imo.--Roa[T]{MH,R!,-15:44,12/3/2013-}

Ironic that you who is so asinine about consistency wanted it to be a different color. SeaTerror (talk) 01:40, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Consistency has nothing to do with differentiation.   Galaxy 9000   01:56, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ironic. Also only Vaz was the one who commented in support of the the idea to use those long ass saga names. Plus it literally makes no sense to use them since nobody even calls them that. The colors should be the same since having them different is also done for no reason. SeaTerror (talk) 15:36, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if nobody calls them by those names, because they're official names given by Oda for the first and second half. There's really no reason not to use them.

The colors are different to differentiate them from the regular tabs. It really does help in doing that.   Galaxy 9000   15:44, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

I don't like using the Saga names because if we ever learn a fact about any SH member's past after the timeskip, then those tab names become incorrect. We fall into a grey area where the event was revealed in the one saga, but happened in another. We're best off sticking to what we had before. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 17:24, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Not really, since the events technically took place in that saga.   Galaxy 9000   17:25, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

The names should also be what people actually use. Nobody but Oda uses those Saga names. Pre and Post were the best way to do it. Also the colors don't have to be different at all. An intelligent person can just read the name of the tab and know what it stands for. SeaTerror (talk) 09:15, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I'd say that past events fall outside the Super Rookies Saga. It's easy enough to say that Luffy's past is part of it, but another thing all together to say that Brook's would be part of it, considering Roger was a rookie himself. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 14:54, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Since we were introduced to the events during the saga, it still fits pretty well.

@ST, "nobody but Oda" is a perfectly valid reason to use the names. Next, you'll say we should use unofficial names when Oda writes them in English, because "people might not use those names".   Galaxy 9000   05:07, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

But then we run into what I mentioned in my other post: Events from a character's distant past that are introduced the NW saga. (For example, say we learn which island Brook is from in some flashback story.) I don't think such things would belong under the Super Rookies section heading. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 05:11, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

This is why I think we should have the pasts of the characters on the "history" tab, and then have the sub tabs be the ones we're using right now. All confusion would be avoided that way.

Then there's the problem of when we find out what the Straw Hats did during the timeskip. Where would that information go?   Galaxy 9000   05:13, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'd say again that events during the timeskip fall outside either saga. It's easier to say that it's pre-timeskip than to say that it's in the Super Rookies saga. And if we go with what you said, then we'd still have to make a "Past" tab so that people can easily determine past information is there. All in all, I think we cover the most bases with the "Pastand Pre Timeskip"/"PostTimeskip" tab names. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 05:18, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

"During the timeskip" is not pre-timeskip.

I just think using Oda's official names is best, since it gives a little more officiality to the pages.   Galaxy 9000   05:22, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

We could easily just poll this so we can finally get this out of the active discussions. There's little to discuss here anyways. Anybody against a poll being drafted?   Galaxy 9000   07:00, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

We still need to change the links back to pre and post and change the colors to normal colors. SeaTerror (talk) 19:56, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

^what ST said.--Roa[T]{MH,R!,-15:20,1/24/2014-}

We really should finish this discussion now, it's been dragging on far too long. I think that we should just say it's pre/post-timeskip, as it's somewhat less confusing on where the information belong to.  Jademing  Talk   21:38, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

The issue is more the fact that the tabs are just too long and really were changed for no reason at all. It is definitely easier too make them pre and post. The other issue is the colors. It is better to have them the same color as the other tabs. I see no reason why they need to be different. SeaTerror (talk) 22:00, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you on the colors, the tabs didn't need to be of a different color scheme, and at any rate, it looks terrible with the other tabs. Change it to the same color scheme as the other tabs. And you're also right on the names of the tabs, it's definitely easier. All agree on this, or do anyone want to drag this out any longer?  Jademing  Talk   22:04, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should do a past/pre timeskip and during/post timeskip structure. Also, as a compromise on the tab color issue, why don't we just reverse the normal SH colors for the added tabs? That keeps them looking pretty much the same, but makes sure they are more noticeable too. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 15:40, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Past/pre-timeskip and during/post timeskip is common sense, let's just do it and be done with it. And yeah, I like your compromise for the tabs' color scheme, JSD. We already do that for tabs we're on, so no problems with it.

Now, can we please freaking wrap this up?  Jademing  Talk   21:10, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

i agree with jsd--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 22:39, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Make a poll.   Galaxy 9000   04:02, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with JSD too. We don't need to poll this since it's a minor change, you're the only one against, and you changed them on your own without a poll in the first place. Zodiaque             04:07, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

I need to see an example of the inverted colors first before I decide. SeaTerror (talk) 04:09, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Actually yeah, inverted colours won't work since we invert them for the currently active tab page, so it will look like the active history tab is is inactive and the inactive history tab is active. Needs to be the same colours as the rest of the tabs. But there's sufficient agreement for the name change. Zodiaque             04:21, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

I still think we need some kind of solution for the colors that's not leaving them the same, so perhaps black/white text but the same for the background? Kind of the same as what we've got right now, but reversed. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 05:30, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

There's no reason to have different colors at all. They were fine before they were changed. SeaTerror (talk) 15:06, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Poll Discussion

made a test poll--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 01:22, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

I think we actually need more discussion and examples on the color issue, I wish they could not be ignored. I still maintain that we do need different colors for the additional history tabs because if they were the same as the main tabs, it would be very difficult to notice that the additional tabs are there. Also, I've just had the idea that these additional tabs should be centered in the bottom row, not all the way over on the left.

The second poll sucks. It includes a bunch of options nobody has advocated for, and misses several of the options people actually want. I still want "Past and Pre-Timeskip" and "During and After the Timeskip". The currently used tab names should also be an option. I don't think anyone wants a variant of "History I", etc either, but I could be wrong on that. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 18:20, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Pretty sure the majority already said to use Pre and Post for the tabs. SeaTerror (talk) 18:50, February 7, 2014 (UTC)


Five Elders Infobox.png
This is a locked poll regarding colors.
tab colors for the history tabs

Status: Locked
Start date: February , 2014 @ : UTC
End date: February , 2014 @ : UTC

What colors should the tabs for the history section be?

black link with white background

white links with black background

inverted color scheme for the link and background, compared to the other tabs

same color scheme as the other tabs

Five Elders Infobox.png
This is a locked poll regarding names.
names for the history tabs

Status: Locked
Start date: February , 2014 @ : UTC
End date: February , 2014 @ : UTC

What should the tabs for the history section be called?

History I and History II

I and II

Past and Present

Pre-Timeskip and Post-Timeskip

Adding fillers, films, specials and OVAs in history

You added films Strong World and Z. Why not everything? Of course with the label non-canon...Kaste1 (talk) 21:32, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Somebody has to write them first.   Galaxy 9000   21:35, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, writing them is impossible. For example, if you write the Warship Island Arc you have to change the end of the Loguetown Arc. They arrive with Apis to the Reverse Mountain and they fight Eric. So how do you write them?Kaste1 (talk) 22:39, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

It's possible, since they're their own section. The events have to be repeated, but told from the non-canon point of view.

(The filler history would work better as a separate tab though)   Galaxy 9000   22:42, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

By seperate tab you mean a tab with all the canon history and the fillers or only the fillers? Kaste1 (talk) 20:10, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

I mean one with just the fillers, in the order they happened.   Galaxy 9000   22:04, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. I like seeing them all together. But then there are the differences and that creates problems. Is it possible seperating the manga history and the anime history (including Movies, specials etc)? Or is it too much?Kaste1 (talk) 22:33, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

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