Talk:Peeker

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[1]. It doesn't matter if it's a very stupid translation. It's still on one of the most popular manga reading sites, and should therefore be a redirect.   Galaxy 9000   15:52, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

One mistake after months of consistency does not mean it needs a redirect. We only use redirects if the name was spelled wrong consistently before we learn the correct spelling. In this case, we already know Pica is correct due to contextual evidence.DancePowderer Talk 17:49, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

That isn't all redirects are for though. Mistranslations definitely apply, no matter how stupid they are, or how much they have appeared.   Galaxy 9000   18:23, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

If they do not consistently call him Peeker, then the redirect is not necessary in my opinion. But it does not hurt to have it either… sff9 _{18:49, January 29, 2014}

A one time mistake does not call for a redirect.DancePowderer Talk 03:19, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

How does having it as a redirect hurt the wiki? It can only benefit it.   Galaxy 9000   03:36, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Benefiting from a useless redirect? That's a new one. SeaTerror (talk) 03:50, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

It's used on a very popular manga reading site, so it definitely has a benefit.   Galaxy 9000   04:01, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Not if it's just a one time mistake. People aren't so stupid as to instantly think Peeker is right and start calling him that. It's a waste of space. We don't have to dumb down everything just because you think people are too dumb to use reason.DancePowderer Talk 07:35, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

You keep looking at it from the perspective of a knowledgeable person. Look at it from the perspective of someone who is reading Mangapanda, sees that name, and somehow wonders who it is. Assuming that nobody will look up the name is just silly. So yeah, once again, you aren't explaining how it's harmful to have this redirect (Also, there is no such thing as a waste of space on a wiki. It has unlimited space.)

Also, funnily enough, your argument that it needs to be used more than once didn't stop you from deleting BB (which is used in a lot of the older chapters, on many manga hosting sites.)   Galaxy 9000   07:39, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Will you please stop trying to equate harmfulness and usefulness? Just because something is not detrimental doesn't mean we need it. Think about  the likelihood of this redirect getting used. The more you think about it, the smaller it gets. If the reader can't see that Peeker is a mistake, then that's their problem, not ours.DancePowderer Talk 08:05, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

unless they continue to use "peeker" as his name there isnt really any good reason to have this page, even as a redirect--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 17:35, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah DP, still not agreeing with you. The fact that it's used once at all means that someone will search for it. It doesn't matter if the likelihood is small. As long as there is any use for a redirect, it should be used (and in this case, one of the most popular manga reading sites made a mistake, that many people are seeing.)   Galaxy 9000   17:50, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

You're now going to have to prove somebody would actually search for it. SeaTerror (talk) 18:02, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

It's not like Mangastream used this translation before, and they'll hopefully go back to the right one next week. No reader is going to read that version of Pica's name without already reading it correctly in preceding chapters. And ST, now you're just being deliberately antagonistic. It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 18:06, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Nope Nova. Learn what the burden of proof is. He made a claim so he has to now prove its true. SeaTerror (talk) 18:08, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Obviously, if it's on a site, it will be searched for at least once (especially if on Mangapanda.)

Nova, even if it is a very very stupid translation, it should still belong as a redirect, due to its use.   Galaxy 9000   19:06, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Gal. You still didn't gave any reason why NOT to make the redirect, is it harmful? And no its not useless since people will not remember somebody named Peeker and they will come here to search for him. Apoelpaoole  Apoel talk  19:23, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

No they won't since it was only used once in a recent chapter when Pica was already used in previous chapters. SeaTerror (talk) 20:08, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

You really believe that everybody that reads OP remember all the names?! Apoelpaoole  Apoel talk  20:18, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

I think you need to reread what I said. SeaTerror (talk) 20:34, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

SeaTerror, you continue to look at it from the perspective of a wiki user, and not a random reader. You must let go of all bias regarding these things.   Galaxy 9000   20:37, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

There is no bias. A random reader would already know the name because Pica had already been used. SeaTerror (talk) 20:57, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

just saying when you search for "peeker" pica is the third page that comes up (first two are sabo and issho for some reason) so i have no doubt anyone looking for peeker will be able to find pica--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 21:35, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Why not just redirect it? Apoelpaoole  Apoel talk  21:44, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

No?.   Galaxy 9000   22:40, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

ok, its the second page not the third, w/e--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 22:43, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

You guys get search results? When I type Peeker in it just takes me back here. Which, if you think about it kind of makes this whole farce redundant. But seriously though, htf does typing Peeker get me back here?DancePowderer Talk 00:46, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

idk, this talk page doesnt even appear in the search results when i search for peeker--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 00:57, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of how this cybernecromancy works, it seems like we're pretty agreed that this thing should stay dead. We can close this talk.DancePowderer Talk 04:27, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

It's just one redirect,there's nothing wrong with having it-there's nothing wrong in not having it either :|--Roa^[T]_{{MH,R!,-04:28,1/31/2014-}}

Not just this redirect DP. SeaTerror (talk) 04:39, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry. This is the only one someone gives a crap about. The rest will be smooth sailing.DancePowderer Talk 05:42, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Meh, I deleted a few redirects like this one these days and gal recreated them. Anyway close this talk and let it be forgotten~  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  06:34, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with DancePowderer. Unless MangaPanda continues to use "Peeker" in the next chapters, we shouldn't bother creating a redirect. A one-time mistake (hopefully) does not make it an alternative name. MasterDeva (talk) 17:04, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Guys we need to discuss this whole redirect making thing, we're getting way way too many uselesss ones that shouldn't be.  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  17:06, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

If we are to discuss the entire issue about name redirects we should do so the forums and not here. MasterDeva (talk) 17:12, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Tell DP to unprotect this then. Forum:Redirects_and_Other_Link_Issues SeaTerror (talk) 17:09, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

You beat me to it. MasterDeva (talk) 17:12, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Why is a forum protected?  Staw-Hat Luffy  Talk  17:10, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

The above forum was not created to discuss cases like this one. It had to do with issues that where raised about our Manual of Style. I suggest we create a new one concerning this topic. MasterDeva (talk) 17:15, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

No. I need to bump that one anyway. SeaTerror (talk) 17:18, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

They are different things though. Unless you are thinking more along the lines of keeping the number of forum threads to a minimum. MasterDeva (talk) 17:21, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Peeker? Obviously a translation error (out of sheer hastiness, as MangaPanda is known and somewhat infamous for), since all three suit-seated elite officers have their names derived from the four suits: Diamante, Trebol and Pica (not Peeker, as in "peeking")? I don't think MangaPanda is the most reliable source for name translation issues. Yata ^{Talk to me} 04:51, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

But then again, since we are using "Trevor" for Trebol, why not? Some wiki (such as Bleach) do keep these incorrect translation as redirects for some reason. Yata ^{Talk to me} 04:53, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Trevor was for when he was first introduced not much later. SeaTerror (talk) 06:42, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. Mangastream (mangapanda just took their version this chapter) used Pica in every chapter so far, and changed it.for some reason this time. It's not like a brand new character was introduced.

It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 11:57, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Definitely isn't mangastream. They just took their scans, not the translations. [2]   Galaxy 9000   12:04, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

No, Nova's (mostly) right. Check every other page and word - Panda stole MS's scanlation, which initially included Peeker. MS later issued a version 2 which had Pica, but Panda didn't update the original. All the more reason not to have this as a redirect. Zodiaque           ☆  12:10, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

i agree with DancePowderer a one time mistake does not call for a redirect, but if they do it again we should ad it Lord Gaimon (talk) 12:17, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Since it's still on Panda, the reason to have a redirect still stands. Thousands of people can still read the stupid thing.   Galaxy 9000   12:26, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

and the reasons not to have a redirect still stand as well--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 16:41, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

The reasons to not have a redirect are "just because". They've really given no real reason why this redirect would hurt the wiki (it can only improve our search function.)   Galaxy 9000   16:43, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

the reasons not to have a redirect is because its a mistake, not his actual name and even when you search "peeker" into the wiki's search engine peeker is one of the top results, we dont need a redirect--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 16:53, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

A translation error is actually a very good reason to have a redirect, especially when it's on one of the most popular manga reading sites.

As I already said, what you're saying is not true. You get nothing if you search for Peeker.   Galaxy 9000   16:55, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

well i do, so i guess your cpu is messed up--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" 16:58, February 2, 2014 (UTC)