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Why are they listed as DF users? DF users = 悪魔の実の能力者 = ability users. They only ate the fruits. The side effects have nothing to do with being DF users. DF users and DF eaters are not same. --Klobis (talk) 08:07, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

I see your point & I agree.

🏴‍☠️👸🏻 (talk) 08:10, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

If the community is so keen on using the literal translation, then the wiki needs a huge update. They ate a Devil Fruit so they should be included in the galleries and naviboxes. Rhavkin (talk) 13:14, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

I completely agree, they are not users. In the Discord server, we have been discussing possible alternative names for the category. I'd propose "Consumers of Defective SMILEs" or "Defective SMILE Consumers". As for their placement in galleries and naviboxes, I don't think they should be included with the "Users". Montblanc Noland :: Talk 13:38, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

  1. They ate a Devil Fruit.
  2. It changed their body.
  3. They lost the ability to swim.

At worst, they are not Zoan, but they are still DF users. Rhavkin (talk) 14:15, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

If they can't use a Devil Fruit ability then they are not users. SeaTerror (talk) 18:15, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

By that logic, deceased characters aren't users. Rhavkin (talk) 18:16, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

They used their abilities when still alive. SeaTerror (talk) 18:21, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

Just like the Ebisu resident are using theirs now. Rhavkin (talk) 18:22, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

Who are they fighting using Zoan abilities? SeaTerror (talk) 19:07, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

No one said the failed fruits are Zoan, nor any specific previously known type. And having a Devil Fruit doesn't mean you're a fighter. Rhavkin (talk) 19:21, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

All SMILES are Zoans. The point is they are not using any abilities. They can't. SeaTerror (talk) 19:58, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

All successful SMILEs. Rhavkin (talk) 20:02, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

As Noland said, we discussed it in Discord (which I'd recommend you to join Rhav) and we can't consider them users but consumers, they have no ability gained with this artificial df, they only lost abilities. Devil Fruits give abilities, SMILEs make you lose abilities 90% of the times, so no, we can't say characters like the Pleasures are users. Pau D. Seven·Talk 20:28, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

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