Failed SMILE fruit eaters
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Why are they listed as DF users? DF users = 悪魔の実の能力者 = ability users. They only ate the fruits. The side effects have nothing to do with being DF users. DF users and DF eaters are not same. --Klobis (talk) 08:07, May 27, 2019 (UTC)
I see your point & I agree.
If the community is so keen on using the literal translation, then the wiki needs a huge update. They ate a Devil Fruit so they should be included in the galleries and naviboxes. Rhavkin (talk) 13:14, May 27, 2019 (UTC)
I completely agree, they are not users. In the Discord server, we have been discussing possible alternative names for the category. I'd propose "Consumers of Defective SMILEs" or "Defective SMILE Consumers". As for their placement in galleries and naviboxes, I don't think they should be included with the "Users". 13:38, May 27, 2019 (UTC)
- They ate a Devil Fruit.
- It changed their body.
- They lost the ability to swim.
As Noland said, we discussed it in Discord (which I'd recommend you to join Rhav) and we can't consider them users but consumers, they have no ability gained with this artificial df, they only lost abilities. Devil Fruits give abilities, SMILEs make you lose abilities 90% of the times, so no, we can't say characters like the Pleasures are users. · 20:28, May 27, 2019 (UTC)
Let's assume there was an organic DF that "grants the user the ability to not feel sadness". Let's say it is one of the fruits that also change the user physiology, so that they are always smiling. It's name would be the Hapi Hapi no Mi (we've heard of weirder fruits). Whom ever consumed it will have the same "abilities" as those people but no one would say they aren't users.
The simple fact is, we've never seen anyone who have eaten a DF that has already been bitten into, nor that the SMILEs work exactly the same as organic DF. Maybe with all SMILEs the same fruit can be used multiple times, after all we've seen Gifters with the same animal theme like snakes and scorpions. This is a new matter and can not be compared to anything previously shown. Rhavkin (talk) 21:04, May 27, 2019 (UTC)
You call being unable to feel sadness a granted "ability"? I'd call it being deprived of an ability. Would you call blindness, deafness or congenital analgesia "abilities"? Even characters within the story don't consider what happens to consumers of failed SMILES as abilities, but as a side-effect worse than being unable to swim.