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Mammoth Model? Edit

Yes, Nekomamushi called it an "Ancient Zoan Zou Zou no Mi", but he did not say "Model: Mammoth". Is this gonna be the Nui Nui no Mi all over again? Yata Talk to me 17:35, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

Several minks identified it as a mammoth. We can just put 2 and 2 together.

Unless you think this specific Devil Fruit breaks the naming pattern of Zoan DFs we've seen so far. X X no Mi, Model: Whatever. KingCannon (talk) 18:24, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

King, it's a translation issue. Do we have the literal translation of the words used?

It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 19:09, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

The Ushi Ushi no Mi, Model: Giraffe is pronounced as "Jirafu", but kanji goes with 麒麟 (kirin), this shows we can't go with "put 2 and 2 together", as the true katakana/kanji can differ from what we are currently assuming. Yata Talk to me 19:36, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

For now let's categorize it as conjecturally titled until we get some evidence from the raws to show that all the pieces line up before we presume it's correct. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 20:15, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that we can't be sure this is just "Model: Mammoth". What if it's "Model: Woolly Mammoth"? I mean, Sengoku is called the "Hotoke" (Buddha), but his ability has the "Model: Daibutsu" instead; you'd think it's "Model: Buddha" if the SBS did not reveal it. We're jumping the gun to create this page, otherwise we'd go with "Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Phoenix" for Marco. At least "Nui Nui no Chikara" has a standing from someone actually saying the name. Yata Talk to me 23:29, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

Clearly, we should redefine our guidelines regarding on conjectural articles. Yata Talk to me 00:36, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

But this one does have a standing as well. It is the Zou Zou no Mi (actually stated), but of a different model. That's not conjectural, unlike Marco's fruit.

It's confirmed to be a Devil Fruit, as well as the animal it is based on. KingCannon (talk) 00:54, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

The model is still conjectural though. If the raws don't support the naming of any model, why don't we make a subsection of Zou Zou no Mi until its whole name is revealed? Kaido | Remnants of My Broken Sig 00:57, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) "Zou Zou no Mi", that much we know. But we can't add "Model: Mammoth" without absolute evidence. Is it truly a mammoth in general, since even a mammoth has various species. We can place a note in Jack's page saying he ate an ancient form of the Zou Zou no Mi, no need to create this page when NO ONE actually said "he transformed into a mammoth"; nobody actually mentioned he the word "mammoth" when referring to him (discounting the ship he commandeers). Yata Talk to me 01:02, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, somebody did in chapter 808. First page:

"......A mammoth?!! What is an ancient creature like that doing here......?!!

And then, Luffy later:

"Hey Usopp, did you hear that?! A Mammoth!" KingCannon (talk) 01:06, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

If we do take out mammoth, then what does this page become? We can't have the current Zou Zou no Mi page do double duty. That could get too confusing.DancePowderer Talk 01:07, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I have an idea: how about we rename the page to "Zou Zou no Mi (Jack)" to differentiate who ate which fruit, until we get confirmation on this fruit's specific model? Yata Talk to me 01:13, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Well, we already know it's a mammoth and it was said in the manga, so there's no harm in keeping it now.DancePowderer Talk 01:16, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

What is the Japanese word the minks and Luffy use in chapter 808 for "Mammoth"?

@Yatanogarasu: I would be fine with that. After all, it being the Zou Zou no Mi is not conjectural (only its complementary name is), and having it as a page sub-section of a power from a distant arc and completely different character that has no relation to the current one would be really confusing, especially in regards to site navigation.

In the end, I just support a decision that doesn't result in Jack having his power being mixed up with Funkfreed's. After all, we can't ommit that Jack has the Zou Zou no Mi, but we also can't say it's the same power as the other Zou Zou no Mi used by Funkfreed. So Jack having his own Zou Zou no Mi page would be enough.

KingCannon (talk) 01:23, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

It's just マンモス (Manmosu = Mammoth) like his ship Mammoth, KingCannon. Awaikage Talk 01:41, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

In terms of naming the actual fruit, what if it ends up like the Giraffe fruit, where the kanji is 麒麟, which actually means Qilin? Yata Talk to me 02:27, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

When I suggested making it a subsection, I didn't mean copying the entire article over, but adding a section like "Fruit Variations" and giving a brief overview of his fruit. Although now I'd prefer naming it Zou Zou no Mi (Jack) Kaido | Remnants of My Broken Sig 02:42, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

If we did the variation section, then we'd have to do something similar for the Hito Hito no Mi. At least we confirmed that this is a Zou Zou no Mi variant, so we can put up the kanji and use brackets to indicate it belongs to Jack. Yata Talk to me 03:11, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

So we have two methods to deal with this page:

  1. Delete/merge it into Jack's subsection of Devil Fruit, noting that he has an "ancient form of the Zou Zou no Mi".
  2. Move this page to "Zou Zou no Mi (Jack)" until later confirmation comes out.

Any more suggestions/protests? Yata Talk to me 19:17, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

I support two. It's a simple and good choice. Aurora[1] | Yes? 19:19, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

If we create the page without having a complete name, we might as well go with the most likely one since either way is (kinda) conjectural. leviathan_89 19:33, 18 December, 2015 (UTC)

All we need is the category for now. The Jack idea is bad. SeaTerror (talk) 21:02, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

We're trying to create pages with official names. Conjectural-titled articles are a big eyesore, they scream of "speculation". At least the "Zou Zou no Mi" portion is confirmed. Yata Talk to me 03:47, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Isn't the fact that it's a mammoth more important than the fact that Jack is currently the user of the fruit? It should be Zou Zou no Mi (Mammoth) as a disambiguation, not (Jack). 04:10, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds like a better way of renaming it. Yata Talk to me 06:46, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Should we rename it then? Yata Talk to me 18:18, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

No. It will look bad either way. SeaTerror (talk) 18:24, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

So just get rid of this page? Yata Talk to me 19:41, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

I support Zou Zou no Mi (Mammoth). Kind of like One Piece Film (2016) before we got the name for it. Kaido | Remnants of My Broken Sig 22:13, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm telling you, if we start making these conjectural articles at every turn possible, then it'd be a slippery slope downwards, and we'd go back to the past where we had so many of those conjectural articles ("[Someone]'s Devil Fruit", so and so). We did discuss to avoid such pages if possible, and this page is a possible to avoid, unlike the Pirate Alliance Saga and Fishman Island Saga. Yata Talk to me 19:44, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

I like the subpage/subsection page a lot more. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 01:31, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'm seeing arguments all over the place and this has gone nowhere. Should we poll it? The options could be: 1. Rename it to Zou Zou no Mi (Mammoth) 2. Rename to Zou Zou no Mi (Jack) or 3. Delete this page and include a brief rundown of the fruit in Zou Zou no Mi. Kaido | Remnants of My Broken Sig 17:48, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

"Leave the article alone because it has the category on it." SeaTerror (talk) 18:02, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

You say that but some other people are against the idea. I agree with a poll. Yata Talk to me 18:20, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Poll DiscussionEdit

Poll is up. If there are no objections, voting will begin tomorrow. Kaido | Remnants of My Broken Sig 03:25, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Add one more option of deleting the page, and simply having the information in Jack's page, under the subsection of his Devil Fruit. Yata Talk to me 04:15, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Seems like good-to-go now. Yata Talk to me 23:46, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

So? Poll is over, I think we should close it and end of discussion already? Rainelz 03:12, January 7, 2016 (UTC)


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Status: Closed
Start date: 00:00 UTC December 31, 2015
End date: 00:00 UTC January 7, 2016

What should Jack's Devil Fruit page be called?

Leave it as it is but keep the conjectural name template.

  1. Rainelz 00:55, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
  2. DancePowderer Talk 01:23, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
  3. Salad King I hate veggies. 02:39, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
  4. SeaTerror (talk) 02:45, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
  5. Xilinoc (talk) 03:56, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
  6. Joekido (talk) 09:51, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
  7. Lelouch Di Britannia Talk Page  11:08, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Zou Zou no Mi (Mammoth)

Zou Zou no Mi (Jack)

  1. Kaido | Remnants of My Broken Sig 00:03, December 31, 2015 (UTC) The safest title option while still keeping the page
  2. Yata Talk to me 09:39, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
  3. Klobis (talk) 11:03, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Make it a subsection of Zou Zou no Mi

  1. JustSomeDude...  Talk | 14:08, January 5, 2016 (UTC) It's this or keep the current conjectural title category but only for a certain amount of time. This seems better.
  2. It's recommended to throw away socks after a year 14:51, January 5, 2016 (UTC) It's not going to be permanently here.
  3. Besty17Talk 13:41, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Delete it and keep all information in Jack's page.

Italics? Edit

Am I the only one who has the title of this page coming up in italics? It's only for this page and I have no idea why it's doing that.DancePowderer Talk 03:22, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

It's part of the {{Conjectural Name}} function that I've set up, to show that they are conjectural. Check the two conjectural named sagas, they're the same. Yata Talk to me 03:33, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Did you remove the italics? Yata Talk to me 18:18, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Leave the article alone because it has the category on it. SeaTerror (talk) 21:45, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Name Edit

I was watching a video that briefly featured the One Piece booth at anime expo and Jack's DF name appeared. Does anyone have clear footage of the name because i can barely read the name from this. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:01, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

I can make out "Zou Zou no Mi: Model" but anyway, how credible is this? Rhavkin (talk) 14:30, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

No, it's in English: "Elephant-Elephant Fruit: Model, Mammoth". Yata Talk to me 16:41, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

I see both.DancePowderer Talk 21:07, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, but no katakana. Yata Talk to me 21:20, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

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