- 1 Thousand Sunny
- 2 Surume a Crew Member?
- 3 Allies
- 4 Fleet
- 5 Grand Fleet Representatives
- 6 Mink\Kozuki Alliance
- 7 Fire Tank Pirates
- 8 Dias
- 9 Sun Pirates
- 10 Zeus
- 11 Vivi and Carue
- 12 Subordinates
- 13 Vivi Portrait
- 14 Usopp's Toad
- 15 Straw Hat Fleet as allies
- 16 Going Merry
- 17 Zeus, former companion
- 18 Allies in Onigashima
- 19 Karoo Portrait
- 20 Vivi
I believe the Thousand Sunny should be part of it. But, I know, we're having a hard time finding a good picture, right? I just thought I'd bring it up.
- Hmm... I'm waiting on the anime for images. One-Winged Hawk 07:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
...Well, how about now? - BattleFranky202 03:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Surume a Crew Member?
Whoever made the edit that included Surume the kraken as a crew member should probably undo it until it's really official that the big guy will be sticking around with the crew, instead of just guiding them to Fishman Island. - BattleFranky202 07:50, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
What about Foxy Pirates? we put Chopper as a former member?? surume is not like vivi, he is a member.
06:26, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
Vivi and Carue aren't the only allies of the Straw Hat pirates. There's a whole table of them on this page. Shouldn't they be removed from the template because if they are included, then what about all the other allies of the Straw Hats? Cuddlykids 10:55, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
I don't see the point in putting Hearts Pirates in the allies and not the Straw Hat Grand Fleet.
YES PLEASE! ^^
Shouldn't this include the members of the fleet, or just a link to the fleet itself? 184.108.40.206 22:03, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
Grand Fleet Representatives
Why are the Grand Fleet groups or only the representatives not listed as subordinates? The page of Hundred Beast Pirates has separate section for the Subordinates and Allies. 220.127.116.11 16:13, December 16, 2015 (UTC)
That's actually true. Even then, they should have another sub-category which is not "Allies" or "Subordinates" as a recognition for their voluntary affiliation. 18.104.22.168 20:54, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
As I said Here, although Luffy did not want them to join him, after Totto Land, the world recognizes the Grand Fleet as Luffy's subordinates, since they declare themselves as such. After all, a section with them is already on the page of the Straw Hat Pirates. Maybe we should put a section with a portrait of the representatives, and also Zeus. Cdavymatias (talk) 16:41, August 18, 2018 (UTC)
"As followers, we hereby swear to become both the shield and spear of our boss, Straw Hat Luffy-san! In recognition of our debt to you we seven do give our lives to take these sons' cups and drink them in your honor!". With all due respect Rhavkin, but do you not know of duty? They swore their loyalty, therefore they are his allies. If Bartolomeo heard you doubting his loyalty, what do you think he would say?. Msbreigen (talk) 04:27, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
I think we should include this new alliance that's probably gonna continue until the end of the "Pirates Alliance Saga". I would have done that myself but i couldn't, and on that note, it's time to remove the protraction now that the Grand Fleet representatives are on another template. Rhavkin (talk) 16:38, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you Yatanogarasu but what I had in mind was simply the family crest and their name, not every member of the family, like the Heart Pirates Template.Rhavkin (talk) 20:52, March 10, 2016 (UTC)
Fire Tank Pirates
Should they be included? I had a little discussion with Awaikage on each other talk pages but basicly I say it's an alliance, he said a "temporary team-up", I said "so when it's over we'll put a ‡", and gave the New Fishman and Flying Alliance as an example, and now we're here. Thoughts? Rhavkin (talk) 16:58, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
They haven't technically agreed on anything. Only showed interest. Besides, this is not an alliance. You could call it a non-agression pact. They ain't gonna help eachother in the fight, at least, from what I assume. All in all, I'd say it's too early to confirm anything.18:26, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
From Pirate Alliance page: "Goals and Benefits: An alliance is usually formed with the purpose of reaching a specific, mutual goal. It may be something that neither crew could accomplish on their own, such as defeating a powerful enemy or finding a lost treasure."
And as Jinbe said, the fact that both of them (and Caesar) hate Big Mom is enough to called them an allied army.
When Bege asked if they should "join hands" Luffy said "fine, but let me punch you". that's an agreement.
Fair enough.19:11, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
^ 13:49, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
Not even Vivi is included so we are not going to include some random player character no one has ever heard of, that apparently just travels with the Straw Hats for a while. This is much too important for that. Awaikage Talk 15:15, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
Vivi was never officially part of the crew, and if that character is so random, why is he on the main page and why is it said he is a (former) part of the crew in his char box? We have game characters on other galleries so what's the differance? Rhavkin (talk) 15:38, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
Difference is that this is the Straw Hat Pirates, the most important group in the series, and we're not going to open the floodgates for extraneous inclusions because of some ridiculously obscure, Japan-only video game player character that doesn't technically even have an official name. We barely even know what happens in the game. Are we going to include all of the Foxy Pirates next as former members because they technically joined for like a minute in anime filler? No. We're not gonna open the floodgates, same reason we're very particular about the "Allies" list as well. The Navibox and category only includes the official set as crewmembers tlliesoo. Awaikage Talk 20:04, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
I agree that he should not be added. I don't think it is an issue of "opening the flood gates" because no one in non-canon OP stuff has joined the crew besides Dias, Foxy, and his crew. My issue is that they are all both non-canon and former and were only crew members for a VERY short period of time. One game or episode does not really warrant adding to the template, especially because they are the most important crew in the series. As the person who made Dias's page, I don't think it is necessary. 20:18, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
I think Zeus should be included in another sub-header. Maybe add another sub-header called "Subordinates" (or other more appropriate sub-header) since he isn't really a part of the crew. What do you think? "Be water my friend." - AnimeLoverPH (talk) 01:48, April 28, 2018 (UTC)
Vivi and Carue
Since we have a single character in the allies section, I think we should add Vivi and Carue there as well. They weren't add as crew members for obvious reasons, but they are defiantly allies, had a much more significant rule in the crew, and are listed as standout cases in the allies tab. Rhavkin (talk) 18:25, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
The other character (from memory) that actually traveled with them (who aren't part of an allied group like the Heart Pirates or Kozuki Family) are Johnny and Yosaku (Baratie->AP), Mr. 9 (RM->WP) Kokoro, Chimney and Gonbe(EL->W7), Hatchan, Keimi, and Pappug (Fish Riders base->Sabaody), Caribu (Sabaody->FI), Caesar (PH->Zou), and Pedro, Pekoms (Zou->WCI), and Carrot (Zou->TBA) and filler characters. I think it's pretty clear that Vivi, Carue, and Zeus are different cases, but if we remove Zeus then this is moot point. Should we restart the above discussion with a sub-header? Rhavkin (talk) 22:05, June 23, 2018 (UTC)
Okay the protection needs to go now because if we're going to add Vivi to this gallery we should the order to reflect her number 5.5 (i.e. before Chopper).--Rgilbert27 (talk) 18:56, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
Rgilbert27 Vivi has been added because she appears with the protagonists in Vivre Crad Databook with the number 0013, so she is well after Jinbe, especially being a temporary "member", unlike Robin, Franky or Brook who are official members. - Cdavymatias (talk) 12:41, December 8, 2018 (UTC)
The 5.5 was given because she started traveling with the protagonists after joining the 5th official member, Sanji, and before the 6th official member, Chopper. Being she some kind of "honorary member", and not an official member, since her objective from the beginning was to temporarily travel with them until they reach Arabasta, her position after Jinbe is the most appropriate. As for the portrait before-TS, on the one hand it is appropriate since it is the time that she traveled with they, but on the other, the first six members consider it a comrade more although time has passed, and there is not much change in her appearance after the TS. - Cdavymatias (talk) 14:11, December 9, 2018 (UTC)
The discussion isn't active, we have a rule to settle those issues as I mentioned earlier. ST, this is not the place for that discussion, and even if it was, you can't reopen a discussion days after you were outnumbered because you don't like the decision. Rhavkin (talk) 05:11, December 10, 2018 (UTC)
You really should retake English classes or work on your English comprehension again. I was obviously talking about the fact the databook never said anything about her being a former member. It only said member. SeaTerror (talk) 23:52, December 11, 2018 (UTC)
Like the templates of the Yonko or the New Fishman Pirates, what do you think about adding a section of "Subordinates"? Although it would only be two portraits: 1. The Straw Hat Grand Fleet (with 1 portrait of the representatives is enough since the leaders and crews appear in their own template), and 2. Zeus. Cdavymatias (talk) 09:55, August 18, 2018 (UTC)
Take this to the gallery template talk page Template talk:Straw Hat Pirates Gallery#Grand Fleet Representatives. 10:14, August 18, 2018 (UTC)
Can someone with permission to edit this gallery replace the File:Nefertari Vivi Portrait.png with File:Nefertari Vivi Straw Hat Pirates Portrait.png. That way it shows a picture of her while she was a pirate and part of Straw Hats and not while she is the Princess of Alabasta, which looks very different and which may be subject to change as the story progresses.Nightmare Pirates (talk) 01:34, January 14, 2019 (UTC)
I think Usopp's toad should be added in the companions section. As seen in Episode 892, the toad is a living animal, not just a design. "Be water my friend." - AnimeLoverPH (talk) 06:22, July 7, 2019 (UTC)
Straw Hat Fleet as allies
Should we add Straw Hat Grand Fleet in the Allies section? They continue to act as such sailing under the flag of the Straw Hats (although as unofficial self-proclaimed subordinates), and Luffy considered asking them for help in the future if you need them, considering them currently his allies. -- cdavymatias (talk) 08:27, August 22, 2019 (UTC)
Rgilbert27 as with the Heart Pirates, they were a formal pirate alliance. Like other alliances that currently ended like Hody Jones and Decken, or Kid-Hawkins-Apoo. (but that's better left for another Talk) -- cdavymatias (talk) 15:00, August 22, 2019 (UTC)
And as I said, that's better left for another Talk (maybe a section about "Fire Tanks as allies"), since it is deviating from the question of the proposed topic, which is: "Should the Straw Hat Grand Fleet be added in the Allies section of the template?". -- cdavymatias (talk) 15:41, August 22, 2019 (UTC)
I think the best option is to change the title in the gallery from "Allies" to "Alliances" other wise every character and group from Straw Hat Pirates/Allies has to right to be listed there. Also, why is this template even protected? Rhavkin (talk) 15:45, August 22, 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be better changing it to "Alliances" to refer to formal Alliances. Including the Grand Fleet, which is the subject that I wanted to say in the beginning. And also for the moment, change the portraits of Heart Pirates, Kozuki Family and Mokomo Dukedom for the portrait of Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance. Since the issue has been diverted to alliances, perhaps the Franky Family and the Galley-La Company should be included, as, like the alliance with Heart-Kozuki-Mink, and with the Fire Tank, they also formed a formal alliance. -- cdavymatias (talk) 22:36, August 24, 2019 (UTC)
Alliance is different from subordinates (even self-proclaimed). One is a mean to an end and the other is a show of loyalty. The straw Hat Grand Fleet has no place in the alliance section in the allies sub-page and not the suggested section here. Changing the section title is in order to differ official alliances from occasional allies. The GL-Ff alliance indeed has a place here. Rhavkin (talk) 22:51, August 24, 2019 (UTC)
- made a portrait - File:Straw Hat, Galley-La, and Franky Family Alliance Portrait.png. Rhavkin (talk) 06:30, August 25, 2019 (UTC)
Zeus, former companion
Allies in Onigashima
Should Kid Pirates and X Drake be added as Allies? Like the Heart Pirates, the Kozuki Family and Mokomo Dukedom, they are part of the Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance.cdavymatias (talk) 12:03, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
No. It was decided that allies of the alliance are not necessarily allies of groups in the alliance.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhavkin (talk • contribs) 12:10, 21 November 2020 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
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I believe that Karoo's portrait should go before Zeus's, just to clarify which of them came first.
Yes. Zeus was the first because he was a current companion. But since it isn't now anymore, maybe it should be changed to the chronological order that they were with the crew. About the Grand Fleet (although it is already another issue), I think it should be in Allies, since they consider themselves their allies as self-proclaimed subordinates of the crew, and Luffy considers them his allies mentioning that in the future he will ask for their help. But it's just an opinion, I don't want to start a loop about adding them or not.cdavymatias (talk) 15:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Since when was Vivi ever considered a member of the Straw Hats? She accompanied them on her mission to Alabasta and stayed there, despite her wanting to go with them. She is no more a member than Law is.Genocyber1987 (talk) 02:19, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Vivi was more than a guest or traveling companion; she was invited to join the crew. Although she refused to continue traveling with them, she still requested for them to see her as a shipmate. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:53, 29 June 2021 (UTC)